FBI director: Charleston shooting not an act of terrorism

[LovingA2andMI]

Source: ABC3340.com - Central Alabama News

FBI director James Comey said Friday that while his agency is investigating the murder of nine people in Charleston, S.C. as a hate crime, it is not an act of terrorism.

He said due to the lack of political motivation for his actions, alleged shooter Dylann Roof is not a domestic terrorist.

"Terrorism is act of violence done or threatens to in order to try to influence a public body or citizenry so it's more of a political act and again based on what I know so more I don't see it as a political act. Doesn't make it any less horrific the label but terrorism has a definition under federal law," he said during a visit to Baltimore.

Read more: http://www.abc3340.com/story/29368499/fbi-director-charleston-shooting-not-an-act-of-terrorism

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Say WHAT?

[blm]

1. Oh? So Roof WASN'T trying to 'take his country back' from the blacks 'taking over', eh?

HORSESH!T!!!!!

Nothing political about RACE WARS, eh Comey?

[appal_jack]

97. Agreed.

Comey's liable to throw-out his back, contorting like that.

This was terrorism. White power is political. Ugly politics. Politics I oppose, but denying the political nature of white power only serves to leave that power unchallenged.

Comey needs to reconsider.

-app

[PearliePoo2]

2. What a crock!

A steaming pile of it.

[Autumn]

3. Fucking idiot.

[MFrohike]

4. Heh

Without someone leaning hard on them (like RFK or LBJ), the federal law enforcement agencies always take a "nothing to see here" approach when it comes to conservative terrorism. It's always "mental illness" or "drug abuse" and never an ideology of evil. J. Edgar's hooks will forever be in that agency.

[Jim Lane]

28. Referring to "a 'nothing to see here' approach" is inaccurate and unfair.

The linked article says, "Roof's racist motives have the Charleston Police Department and the FBI investigating the massacre as a hate crime."

People are free to argue that "terrorism" carries some oomph that "hate crime" doesn't. Nevertheless, it's absolutely clear that there's a huge gap between, on the one hand, investigating it as a hate crime, and, on the other hand, an approach of "nothing to see here."

[MFrohike]

55. It's barely hyperbole

The dominant form of terrorism in America for just about all of American history has been conservative terrorism. It does no one any favors to call this a hate crime and pretend it's just another mass murder. The little scumbag had an explicitly racist political agenda that has been aided and abetted by the conservatives of this country every time they whine about welfare queens, leeches, and all the rest. It's time they are forced to own their rabid hatred of their fellow Americans and it's time their fellow Americans quit pretending that this is anything but the natural consequences of their rabid ideology.

That's why I say it's the nothing to see here approach. If you can pretend that it's just "one messed-up kid" then you never have to face that you've never been serious about the real enemy. Slavery and its after-effects are the historical core of this country. Conservatives don't like to hear it, I doubt anybody does, but it's the truth and the first step in any kind of real healing is admitting that fact.



Sorry for the rant. It's most definitely not directed at you personally. These murders have struck a sensitive spot that I didn't even know I had.

[mazzarro]

72. +1000%

In total agreement with you on that

[Hassin Bin Sober]

78. Righteous rant.

[Jim Lane]

83. I agree with much of your rant, so my comment also isn't directed at you personally.

My point is just that the system's response to Roof is better than, for example, its response to Darren Wilson or George Zimmerman. It's very unlikely that Roof will go free, as they did. He'll die in prison. The only question is whether it will be from old age or electrocution.

[MFrohike]

85. Agreed

When you're right, you're right. As you can tell, I'd prefer to deal with it head on than by dribs and drabs.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. revision of history begins quickly. So an act that inflicts terror on particular groups of people

is not terrorism?
Wow...just wow.

[blm]

9. Perhap FBI won't call it that officially because they fear how close RW is to fulfilling

their own prophecy of the 'race wars' they've been preparing themselves for in recent decades. ESPECIALLY since Obama took office.

[salib]

27. So we placate?

I don't think so.

[blm]

41. Not my feeling, at all. Law enforcement IS keenly aware of the seriousness

of the threat. Homeland Security put out a report pointing to these RW sovereign and supremacists groups as the biggest threat LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS are facing.

GOP congress put the kibosh on the report and any publicizing of the report.

Law enforcement, FBI, and Homeland Security are all fully aware of the facts. I'm just wondering out loud if that is the reason why they aren't calling this 'terrorism'.

It's in this thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6864997

[salib]

46. They are called terrorists and it is called terrorism.

"Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

[blm]

52. I know. I am sure Comey knows. He has to have read the HS report.

It is in the link I posted.

I'm wondering aloud here if this is a tactical move to not call it what it so blatantly is.

[salib]

53. Then it is a horrendously bad move.

Again, we must not placate these crazies.

[blm]

60. I share that view - no doubt about it

I'm also aware that they played it coy and quiet on the Las Vegas cop murders by Jared Miller and the ambush of the troopers in Pennsylvania. I have been wondering if their reticence is tactical.

[catnhatnh]

58. Also...

Background

The FBI divides the terrorist threat facing the United States into two broad categories—domestic and international.

Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States (or its territories) without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

From the same source

[mia]

63. Using this definition he is a domestic terrorist.

His manifesto backs it up.

[CanonRay]

6. How the hell is trying to start a race war NOT a political act?

Another idiot that cannot face the obvious

[kath]

7. "Terrorism" is a meaningless propaganda term. See this article, which I posted on another thread:

REFUSAL TO CALL CHARLESTON SHOOTINGS “TERRORISM” AGAIN SHOWS IT’S A MEANINGLESS PROPAGANDA TERM https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/19/refusal-call-charleston-shootings-terrorism-shows-meaningless-propaganda-term/

[riversedge]

42. thanks

[alboe]

8. Trying to start a Civil War, which Roof said he was trying to do, IS a political act

Stupid decision not to consider this terrorism

[Adsos Letter]

50. Propaganda of the deed.

Isn't that what late 19th-early 20th-century anarchists considered the terroristic actions of individuals, designed to foment a broader revolt?

They were certainly considered terrorists.

[secondwind]

10. I'll take the hate crime, thank you very much n/t

[Beauregard]

12. Right.

Terrorism is the use of violence to inspire fear. There's no evidence that this was his purpose. He was acting out of pure race hatred, which is different.

[heaven05]

20. So no one who is a POC should

fear that there is a whole army of dylaan roof's waiting for the excuse/reason to do just what this racist animal has done because you sau it's not terrorism? Have I got that right? geez

[Beauregard]

24. Sorry, I don't understand your post.

I didn't say the kid was right. Just that "terrorist" is the wrong word to describe him. And what is a POC?

[jmowreader]

45. POC = "persons of color"

It's a term that covers all non-caucasian ethnicities in one fell swoop...because a lot of people who hate African-Americans also have a case of the ass for anyone who isn't "White Protestant."

[heaven05]

82. I sure you don't

terrorist is not a wrong or misleading appellation to apply to this animal. I'm done with you.

[scarletwoman]

21. WRONG. Terrorism is the use of violence in service to a politcal end.

Roof himself defined his political aims in his "manifesto".

The reason it's important to call these murders "terrorism" is because his ideology, which is shared by millions of white supremecists throughout this country, needs to be called out and condemned in no uncertain terms.

[Beauregard]

23. Not necessarily.

Your neighbor can terrorize you by killing your dog, and leaving a note that you are next. He's a terrorist, just not a political terrorist. You have accepted the FBI guy's definition, which is wrong.

[Igel]

67. And others seek to impose their definition.

Why is that any better?

In the case of the FBI, the FBI's definition covers how they're going to view the incident. It's internal and defined by statute.

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

* FISA defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the U.S. with "totally" outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. § 1801(c).

You don't have to use their definition in daily speech. But neither does anybody here get to override Congress and the President in deciding the definition that the FBI uses.

Paraphrases also don't apply, and there are a lot of those here. For many, the functional definition of "paraphrase" seems to mean "make what somebody else said or would have said say what I think they should have said."

[840high]

57. Agree 100%.

[former9thward]

105. Which will mean what?

Any sentence he gets from that will be a flyspeck compared to murdering 9 people.

[scarletwoman]

11. WTF?!? So, wanting to "start a race war" ISN'T political?!?

We need a new word to describe the feelings of deep unrelenting disgust and dismay and despair produced by the neverending bullshit with which we are surrounded.

[Locrian]

13. translation:

Translation: White people are not afraid, so it's not terrorism.

[scarletwoman]

16. Shorter translation: Only black people got killed. nt

[LovingA2andMI]

18. Straight to the Point...

African-American (Black) Lives DON'T Matter....

[Solly Mack]

14. Oh, for fuck's sake!

Appeasing those who would be outraged by calling a racist white domestic terrorist - a racist white domestic terrorist - only serves to minimize what happened and to be dismissive of the harm caused by racism in America.

To pretend a hate crime isn't meant to send a message is to dismiss the driving force behind hate crimes.

For anyone to pretend that a racist mass murderer, that plainly states he is leaving someone alive so they can tell others, isn't sending a message of intimidation to influence the citizenry boggles the mind.

[Beauregard]

25. If it "boggles your mind," it is high time it was boggled.

Words have a meaning. Even the word "terrorism." Not everyone you dislike is a terrorist.

[Solly Mack]

38. LMAO

[LovingA2andMI]

15. Ummm... What is Terrorism.....

From the FBI on FREAKING WEBSITE:

Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; --- Does "I want to Kill Black People Count?" All 20 million or so of us or just nine in a church?
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or -- Does, "I want to start a RACE WAR count or it does not matter as the victims were African-Americans?"
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. -- "Does killing a SITTING STATE SENATOR COUNT or since he was African-American, never mind?"

18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:
Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon);
and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).
*ISA defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the U.S. with "totally" outside the U.S. 50 U.S.C. § 1801(c).

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

UN-FREAKING BELIEVABLE!!!!

[Beauregard]

26. It's got to be intended to inspire fear.

Not clear that was the intention. My impression is that this racist kid hated black people and wanted to kill some, so he did. "Wanting to start a race war," i.e., wanting to piss off black people so they would attack white people who would in turn attack them (a la Helter Skelter) is not an act of terrorism, whose purpose is to inspire fear, not anger.

[salib]

29. Are you kidding?

Of course it was there to inspire fear. Fear, hatred, plans for revenge. That is the race war meme. Fear is fundamental to it.

[Beauregard]

31. Sez you.

How did you sneak "fear" into the equation? Hatred, plans for revenge, yes. But until I see some evidence that the kid's purpose was to strike terror into people's hearts, I will not be convince that this was an act of terrorism.

And no, I'm not kidding. Words have a meaning.

[salib]

39. I did not sneak fear in.

It is fundamental to the white supremacist race war meme. And it is not just fear among "the other races", it is also fear among whites that those other races are going seek revenge.

I am sorry, but trying to parse out a word like terror (into people's hearts) and then saying you do not see that explicit word is very disingenuous.

And yes, says me.

[Igel]

68. "Death" is what you get from war.

Fear is what you get from terror.

He wanted to start fighting, blood running in the street. Not scare people.


The LNR and DNR in the Donbas don't have as their goal to scare people. They're clear: They want territory. If they scare Ukrainians, it's just so they don't fight as much. Fear is not their goal. Influence is not their goal. Victory and conquest--the usual ends of war--that's their goal. Same for Hitler. Same for Stalin. Same for FDR.

Even if the mere hint of war makes some reach for clean undies.

[appalachiablue]

98. That's some analogy of FDR, unique from anything I've ever seen. The Big Three- Hitler, Stalin & FDR

Incredible.

[heaven05]

84. don't waste your time

some of the more privileged of our society just won't admit that racist murders such as this are committed to instill fear hence terrorism. His usage of the excuse of "words having meaning" is just so some privileged people are able to stay willfully blind and ignorant to the fact that racist attacks such as this are white supremacist terrorism. The KKK is an american terrorist organization. Stormfront is an american terrorist web site. There is no way to deny it. Even for privileged people, if they want to hold on to their integrity and principle as progressives and liberals.

[Nay]

102. So you don't think lots of black people are not scared of getting shot in church? Why

would you think that? Right here in Richmond, VA, the night after the Charleston shootings, a white man with a machete and knife tried to get into a black church. He was hollering that he was going to kill them all. You don't think those church attendees weren't scared as they held the door shut and called the cops? You must live on another planet.

Lots of black churches are being more careful about strangers. You don't think that's 'fear'?

[LovingA2andMI]

33. Can you, remove yourself from this thread.....

Seriously --- Do That!

[Beauregard]

35. Why don't you just put me on ignore?

That's what lots of people do when they don't want to see opinions that differ from their own.

[TexasBushwhacker]

49. He said they (the blacks) were TAKING OVER

therefore he killed 9 of them to create fear in the black community and make them STAY IN THEIR PLACE. Roof had patches on his jacket for Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. He had the Confederate flag on his car. The Confedracy didn't want blacks to go away. It wanted them to keep being slaves and servants.

Anyone who says racism, sexism or any ism you choose isn't political is a damn fool.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. I have had a feeling for some time that we will not make the necessary

changes in this country to become a more egalitarian society until we make massive changes in the leadership of our criminal justice agencies and change its mission.

[-none]

104. And for that to happen we need to first change owners.

[Wellstone ruled]

19. This truely explains the lack of action taken by the FBI

concerning threats against Mr. Obama. So if you are a Brown Skin Person,tough shit,the Feds have decided you don't count. Same crap dealing with the Bundy Crowd,White Bigoted thieves and trespassers draw a get out of jail free card. WTF!!!!!!! All about the Politic.

[salib]

32. Uh, Obama appointed him

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-nominates-james-comey-to-head-fbi/2013/06/21/b83fbcc0-da85-11e2-a9f2-42ee3912ae0e_story.html

[LovingA2andMI]

36. Yep.....

There are NO WORDS.....

[Wellstone ruled]

40. There is a statement that holds some truth.

Keep your friends close and you enemies even closer. So much for Mr. Obama's advisers.

[mopinko]

22. but flaming underwear is.

lighting a shoe on fire is.

got it. black lives dont matter.

[raccoon]

30. " the lack of political motivation for his actions?" Huh? nt

[salib]

34. Well, after all the Administration needs thos RepublicanTPA votes, now.

Can't be calling one of their boys a terrorist.

[LovingA2andMI]

37. YEP....

It appears so --- Again, there are no words....

[47of74]

43. Does this shithead serve at the pleasure of the President?

If so President Obama needs to throw this guy so far out the door of the J. Edgar Hoover building that he'll leave skid marks when he hits the ground.

[AZ Progressive]

44. So it's not terrorism when only black people are terrorized...

One more example to show that to white America, black lives don't matter...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. Figures....

James Brien Comey, Jr. is the seventh and current Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was the United States Deputy Attorney General, serving in President George W. Bush's administration.

[Igel]

69. I thought his name was familiar.

He's the one who appointed Fitzgerald to investigate the Plame affair.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. Yeah,...so much for "Merry Fitzmas".

[OnyxCollie]

91. According to James Comey, sending out a press release is terrorism.

Headlines May 30, 2013
Report: Former Bush Official James Comey Tapped to Head FBI
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/30/headlines

President Obama is reportedly preparing to nominate former Justice Department official James Comey to head the FBI. The New York Times reports Obama will tap Comey, a Republican, to replace Robert Mueller when Mueller departs in September. Comey is well known for refusing to re-authorize the Bush administration’s warrantless spy program while serving as acting attorney general in the place of John Ashcroft, who was recovering from surgery. Comey alerted Ashcroft after top White House aides rushed to Ashcroft’s hospital bed in a failed bid to win his approval for the spying. In 2003, Comey came under criticism from the civil rights attorney Lynne Stewart. Stewart accused Comey of "pure vindictiveness" in pursuing her and two co-defendants after the judge in the case threw out terrorism charges.

Comey LYNCHED ACTIVIST LAWYER for BUSHCO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022927707

LYNNE STEWART: I represented Sheikh Omar at trial—that was in 1995—along with Ramsey Clark and Abdeen Jabara. I was lead trial counsel. He was convicted in September of ’95, sentenced to a life prison plus a hundred years, or some sort—one of the usual outlandish sentences. We continued, all three of us, to visit him while he was in jail—he was a political client; that means that he is targeted by the government—and because it is so important to prisoners to be able to have access to their lawyers.

Sometime in 1998, I think maybe it was, they imposed severe restrictions on him. That is, his ability to communicate with the outside world, to have interviews, to be able to even call his family, was limited by something called special administrative measures. The lawyers were asked to sign on for these special administrative measures and warned that if these measures were not adhered to, they could indeed lose contact with their client—in other words, be removed from his case.

In 2000, I visited the sheikh, and he asked me to make a press release. This press release had to do with the current status of an organization that at that point was basically defunct, the Gama’a al-Islamiyya. And I agreed to do that. In May of—maybe it was later than that. Sometime in 2000, I made the press release.

Interestingly enough, we found out later that the Clinton administration, under Janet Reno, had the option to prosecute me, and they declined to do so, based on the notion that without lawyers like me or the late Bill Kunstler or many that I could name, the cause of justice is not well served. They need the gadflies.

So, at any rate, they made me sign onto the agreement again not to do this. They did not stop me from representing him. I continued to represent him.

And it was only after 9/11, in April of 2002, that John Ashcroft came to New York, announced the indictment of me, my paralegal and the interpreter for the case, on grounds of materially aiding a terrorist organization. One of the footnotes to the case, of course, is that Ashcroft also appeared on nationwide television with Letterman that night ballyhooing the great work of Bush’s Justice Department in indicting."

....


http://www.democracynow.org/2013/5/14/jailed_civil_rights_attorney_lynne_stewart

"Darkness in America: Lynne Stewart’s Resentencing
July 23rd, 2010
Darkness in America: Lynne Stewart’s Resentencing: Gets 10 years imprisonment for doing her job honorably, ethically.
by Stephen Lendman
Friday, 16 July 2010

Describing Lynne Stewart, one of this writer’s previous articles said the following:

“She worked selfishly, tirelessly, and heroically for 30 years as a human rights champion, defending America’s poor, underprivileged, and unwanted – people never afforded due process and judicial fairness without an advocate like her. She knew the risks, yet took them courageously until bogusly indicted on April 9, 2002 for:

* “conspiring to defraud the United States;
* conspiring to provide and conceal material support to terrorist activity;
* providing and concealing material support to terrorist activity; and
* two counts of making false statements.”

A brief timeline was as follows:

* indicted on April 9, 2002;
* on February 10, 2005, convicted on all counts;
* on October, 17, 2006, sentenced to 28 months;
* on November 17, 2009, a US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit three-judge panel upheld the conviction, shamelessly accusing Lynne of “knowingly and willfully making false statements,” redirecting her case to District Court Judge John Koeltl for resentencing, instructing him to consider enhancements for terrorism, perjury, and abuse of her position as a lawyer – an outrageous mandate intimidating Koeltl to comply;
* on November 19, 2009, Stewart jailed at MCC-NY, 150 Park Row, New York, NY; and
* on July 15, 2010, Stewart resentenced to 10 years imprisonment for doing her job honorably, ethically, and admirably with distinction for 30 years.

New York Times writer John Eligon headlined, “Sentence Is Sharply Increased for Lawyer Convicted of Aiding Terror,” saying:

After her sentence, a “collective gasp went up from (her) supporters, who packed the broad, high-ceilinged courtroom….followed by a few shrieks and sobs; some held their hands over their mouths.”"


http://lynnestewart.org/2010/07/23/darkness-in-america-lynne-stewarts-resentencing/

So, a Judge ruled the new terror laws unconstitutionally vague and the most serious charges against Stewart were dropped. What was Comey’s role?

"The judge's ruling yesterday left intact charges that Stewart and two others conspired to defraud the United States and that Stewart made false statements.

But the dismissal of the first two counts of a five-count indictment was a major blow to prosecutors. The case had been personally announced in April 2002 by Attorney General John Ashcroft.

U.S. Attorney James B. Comey was unwilling to concede defeat, saying in a statement that he still believes the law prohibiting material support for terrorism is constitutional and that an appeal is possible."

http://www.refuseandresist.org/article-print.php?aid=983

"On November 19, 2009, Stewart surrendered to U.S. Marshals in New York City to begin serving a 28-month sentence as prisoner #53504-054. In January 2010, the full Second Circuit bench, in a split decision, declined to reconsider its panel's affirmance and resentencing directive. On July 15, 2010, Stewart was re-sentenced by Judge Koeltl to 10 years in prison, taking into consideration what he concluded were false statements she made under oath at her trial and other factors as directed by the appellate court."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart#Legal_career

[Spitfire of ATJ]

92. Yeah,...but that was against WHITE PEOPLE.

[OnyxCollie]

94. As the old adage goes, Follow The Money. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

95. BushCo locked her up just to add to their list of convictions....

BTW:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/31/justice/lynne-stewart-compassionate-release/

[former9thward]

106. Didn't Obama appoint him?

Maybe you missed that....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

108. Do you believe that means he's a Liberal?

[former9thward]

111. I don't know what he is.

But you thought it was important to note he worked for the DOJ during the Bush administration but you ignored that he was appointed to a much more important position by Obama.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

112. Yup. No doubt as part of Obama's "reaching out". Remember the "Team of Rivals"?

[former9thward]

113. I like to think he thought the guy was best qualified person that he could get.

There are certain positions, you can appoint people to, who are political buddies, and their competence does not matter that much because of the nature of the position or they will have close staff that will keep them out of trouble. The FBI is not one of those jobs in my view. Or the CIA and a few others I can think of.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

114. Every Bush appointee should have been purged.....

Bush filled key positions in government with campaign donors which is how a horse show judge headed FEMA.

[PatrynXX]

48. Well if he isn't

Neither was any of the idiots who took down the twin towers and 9/11 face palm

[Paladin]

51. Bullshit. White privilege at work, yet again. (nt)

[Judi Lynn]

54. Jesus H. Christ. How could he think we're all that stupid?

Terrorism is not telling someone "I'm letting you live, so you can tell everyone what I've done?" What's the point in telling everyone if it's not to terrorize them, from his standpoint?

[center]

And Roof apparently is not the only terrorist. [/center]

[valerief]

56. Assassinating a state senator just ain't what it used to be, I guess. nt

[nc4bo]

74. Took the words right out of my mouth. Once more, assassinating a U.S. Senator is not an act

Of terrorism.

Bizarro World where everything wrong is right.

Smdh.

[GoneFishin]

59. Tell that to blacks in the south whenever they assemble to worship. What a fucking asshole he is.

[niyad]

61. comey, did you even bother to read his manifesto, as the rest of us did?

[niyad]

62. why we must call dylann roof a terrorist:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026862199

[awoke_in_2003]

64. Oh for fuck's sake...

do they classify the KKK and other such groups terrorist organizations? Probably not, I guess.

on edit: I guarantee they classify the Black Panthers that way.

[FailureToCommunicate]

65. Comey lacks a certain understanding of what it means to be black in America...oh,that's because he's

not Black.

What a useless jerk Obama appointed to head the FBI.

[Bonhomme Richard]

66. Fuck that. He said he wanted to start a civil war.......

It doesn't get any more political than that.
This country is screwed when even the Director of the FBI will not tell the truth because he fears upsetting the republican leaders.
Fuck that...fuck him.
Sorry about the language but I am so tired of the bullshit.

[Monk06]

70. He's not an arab or an environmentalist ergo he is not a terrorist.

[sorefeet]

73. It strikes fear in my heart

every time this shit happens. I feel less safe and wonder if it could happen to me or people I know. It should strike fear in lots of people.

[TheFarseer]

75. To me this is not terrorism

Definitely a hate crime. Not the same thing. Just my opinion.

[GeorgeGist]

88. Because you're not black.

[ladjf]

76. ... and he killed a state senator. That was no accident. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

77. How different is he from McVey?

There may be more of them? Aren't Neo nazis terrorists?

[truthisfreedom]

79. It's clearly both a hate crime and terrorism.

Hate for race related violence and terrorism for the politics of inspiring other like-minded nut jobs to take similar action, which is very clear from his own statements about why he chose the target.

[Triana]

80. Chris Hayes also questioning Comey's misdefinition

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/612359915370381312

"I mean, given this screed of his we now have, the Charleston massacre is arguably a more explicitly political act than the Boston bombing."

[rocktivity]

81. He specifically told his friends, the cops AND the victims that he was trying to start a race war

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And while that may not fit the definition of FEDERAL terrorism, it certainly fits the definition of this kind:

U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

(5) The term “domestic terrorism” means activities that:

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended to:

(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

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[LovingA2andMI]

86. There is beginning to Smell....

A Foul Fishy Odor to all of this.

We're working on a story to be told either on our show Sunday night at 9pm ET (it will be a SPECIAL Podcast) and/or in an article tomorrow if we can manage to keep gathering information.

On Thursday Night after learning about the Charleston Massacre, there was a feeling in which it was stated, "This Will Not End Well".

Now, sadly, there's a growing feeling of leaning just that way.

Let's just say this: The Nine Innocent Victims of the Emanuel AME Church are Real. Dylann Roof the Confessed Murder is Real. Everything else, who knows?

Also, folks might want to check out what's bubbling -- speaking of foul odors - over on Twitter at the #GoHomeDeray Hashtag.

This is getting quite ugly, indeed.

[dgibby]

87. I'd be willing to bet that

if a POC had gone into a white church and opened fire, he'd be screaming terrorism from the rooftops.

[leveymg]

89. Mr. Comey is no longer part of the reality-based community.

Actually, he can swing either way. This announcement is disappointment, given that his appointment to succeed Director Mueller, who could also swing either way on such matters, is a signal of Business As Usual with America's political police.

There was hope for Mr. Comey given that he was the one who reportedly prevented Gonzales from pressuring Ashford to reauthorize The Program from his hospital bed.

[ck4829]

90. I guess there is a big disconnect, what is 'murdering people in an attempt to incite a civil war'?

[Recursion]

93. OFFS. There's even a better way to reach that wrong conclusion

Just say "terrorism requires conspiracy". Still wrong, but you look like slightly less of an idiot.

[treestar]

96. Why is the label so important?

This is a terrible thing to happen, is it not terrible enough if the words "terrorism" or "assassination" don't apply?

[kath]

100. Exactly.

See what I posted here http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026868683

The government uses the term as a propaganda tool to manipulate us.
So perhaps we should think about resisting its use in all cases (certainly NOT just here, since this killing was as terrible or worse than many others) rather than encouraging it.

[kath]

99. Are drone attacks terrorism?

Was the US's arming of the Contras or Salvadorean death squads terrorism??

it's an empty word, has no real definition and is almost always used as a manipulative term of propaganda by those in power.

[hardtravelin]

101. By the Govt.'s narrow definition, it might not be.

The attack at FT Hood was also not described as "terror."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/us/at-fort-hood-wrestling-with-label-of-terrorism.html?_r=0

[n2doc]

103. But of Course...

[Nihil]

109. +1 (sadly) (n/t)

[Rafale]

107. Here's the POLITICAL Manifesto from Roof...HOW IS THAT NOT TERRORISM?

"I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

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Blacks

I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.

Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.

Black people are racially aware almost from birth, but White people on average dont think about race in their daily lives. And this is our problem. We need to and have to.

Say you were to witness a dog being beat by a man. You are almost surely going to feel very sorry for that dog. But then say you were to witness a dog biting a man. You will most likely not feel the same pity you felt for the dog for the man. Why? Because dogs are lower than men.

This same analogy applies to black and White relations. Even today, blacks are subconsciously viewed by White people are lower beings. They are held to a lower standard in general. This is why they are able to get away with things like obnoxious behavior in public. Because it is expected of them.

Modern history classes instill a subconscious White superiority complex in Whites and an inferiority complex in blacks. This White superiority complex that comes from learning of how we dominated other peoples is also part of the problem I have just mentioned. But of course I dont deny that we are in fact superior.

I wish with a passion that niggers were treated terribly throughout history by Whites, that every White person had an ancestor who owned slaves, that segregation was an evil an oppressive institution, and so on. Because if it was all it true, it would make it so much easier for me to accept our current situation. But it isnt true. None of it is. We are told to accept what is happening to us because of ancestors wrong doing, but it is all based on historical lies, exaggerations and myths. I have tried endlessly to think of reasons we deserve this, and I have only came back more irritated because there are no reasons.

Only a fourth to a third of people in the South owned even one slave. Yet every White person is treated as if they had a slave owning ancestor. This applies to in the states where slavery never existed, as well as people whose families immigrated after slavery was abolished. I have read hundreds of slaves narratives from my state. And almost all of them were positive. One sticks out in my mind where an old ex-slave recounted how the day his mistress died was one of the saddest days of his life. And in many of these narratives the slaves told of how their masters didnt even allowing whipping on his plantation.

Segregation was not a bad thing. It was a defensive measure. Segregation did not exist to hold back negroes. It existed to protect us from them. And I mean that in multiple ways. Not only did it protect us from having to interact with them, and from being physically harmed by them, but it protected us from being brought down to their level. Integration has done nothing but bring Whites down to level of brute animals. The best example of this is obviously our school system.

Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared, and brainwashed to fight. Why should we have to flee the cities we created for the security of the suburbs? Why are the suburbs secure in the first place? Because they are White. The pathetic part is that these White people dont even admit to themselves why they are moving. They tell themselves it is for better schools or simply to live in a nicer neighborhood. But it is honestly just a way to escape niggers and other minorities.

But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes? No one, but someone has to.

Here I would also like to touch on the idea of a Norhtwest Front. I think this idea is beyond stupid. Why should I for example, give up the beauty and history of my state to go to the Norhthwest? To me the whole idea just parralells the concept of White people running to the suburbs. The whole idea is pathetic and just another way to run from the problem without facing it.

Some people feel as though the South is beyond saving, that we have too many blacks here. To this I say look at history. The South had a higher ratio of blacks when we were holding them as slaves. Look at South Africa, and how such a small minority held the black in apartheid for years and years. Speaking of South Africa, if anyone thinks that think will eventually just change for the better, consider how in South Africa they have affirmative action for the black population that makes up 80 percent of the population.

It is far from being too late for America or Europe. I believe that even if we made up only 30 percent of the population we could take it back completely. But by no means should we wait any longer to take drastic action.

Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.

Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?

A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same.

In a modern history class it is always emphasized that, when talking about “bad” things Whites have done in history, they were White. But when we lern about the numerous, almost countless wonderful things Whites have done, it is never pointed out that these people were White. Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first nigger smart enough to open a peanut.

On another subject I want to say this. Many White people feel as though they dont have a unique culture. The reason for this is that White culture is world culture. I dont mean that our culture is made up of other cultures, I mean that our culture has been adopted by everyone in the world. This makes us feel as though our culture isnt special or unique. Say for example that every business man in the world wore a kimono, that every skyscraper was in the shape of a pagoda, that every door was a sliding one, and that everyone ate every meal with chopsticks. This would probably make a Japanese man feel as though he had no unique traditional culture.

I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

100_1888

Jews

Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like niggers, most jews are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish. The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.

Hispanics

Hispanics are obviously a huge problem for Americans. But there are good hispanics and bad hispanics. I remember while watching hispanic television stations, the shows and even the commercials were more White than our own. They have respect for White beauty, and a good portion of hispanics are White. It is a well known fact that White hispanics make up the elite of most hispanics countries. There is good White blood worht saving in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and even Brasil.

But they are still our enemies.

East Asians

I have great respent for the East Asian races. Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races.

Patriotism

I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940’s American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.

An Explanation

To take a saying from a film, “I see all this stuff going on, and I dont see anyone doing anything about it. And it pisses me off.”. To take a saying from my favorite film, “Even if my life is worth less than a speck of dirt, I want to use it for the good of society.”.

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.

Please forgive any typos, I didn't have time to check it."

Sickening stuff to be sure.

[Beauregard]

110. The bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki were acts of terrorism.

State-sponsored terrorism. These were (enormously) violent acts calculated to inspire terror in the Japanese people and their government, so they would surrender. Only in the most extended sense was the purpose "political"--i.e., the sense in which war is diplomacy by other means.

Terrorism does not need a political purpose in any ordinary sense of the word "political." Nevertheless, the FBI's conclusion is correct. The murder of the people in the church was not an act of terrorism. It was a hate crime.

[rocktivity]

115. Update: They've blinked

The Daily Beast: ...Since Comey spoke, the FBI has had more time to look into the manifesto that the shooter had posted online to explain his actions.“We’re going to continue to follow the facts and learn more about the incident itself and what was behind it,” said spokesman Paul Bresson. “In no way do [Comey’s] comments detract from our ability to conduct a thorough investigation.”

...Based on the known facts, Dylann Roof’s murders inside the Emanuel AME church last week arguably fit the bill. In a manifesto written before the shootings, Roof makes clear his particular animus toward African Americans...According to witnesses, Roof justified his shootings by accusing black people of “taking over our country” and said, “You have to go.” He also let some churchgoers live so they could tell others what he’d done and said...

Numerous commentators have pointed to an apparent double standard, in which a radical Muslim who attacks innocent people is called a terrorist, but a radical white supremacist who does the same thing is called mentally ill or deranged.

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