Gov Haley has called for the rebel flag to come down

[SCantiGOP]

Source: WIS-TV Columbia, SC

In a press conference including both US Senators the Gov said it is time to remove the flag from the Statehouse grounds. She said she would call the legislature back for a special session if they don't address it in the next couple of weeks when they reconvene to wrap up this years session.

Read more: http://www.wistv.com/

[KamaAina]

1. In other news,

[cstanleytech]

3. I am betting more that shes considering running in the 2016 senate race and she

doesnt want to do anything that might rally black voters to show up and vote.

[riversedge]

2. This appears to be for the memorial only on the Shatehouse grounds. Wonder if

the legislature of SC will apply it to all public grounds?? in SC.

[SCantiGOP]

4. Not sure it flies on any other public grounds

While there are monuments that have the flag, I don't know of anywhere else it flies on state property other than the Statehouse.
(BTW, my office is across the street from the Statehouse, so I have to see that hateful banner every day.)

Here's to hoping SC does the right thing. Too bad it took such a tragedy to get the issue addressed.

[riversedge]

9. Now that you mention it--I am not sure either. I saw a clip

yesterday of a cemetery--a confederate cemetery. I wondered at the time if it was public land. All had confederate flags placed on the graves.

[calimary]

35. ALL of those damn flags need to be GONE.

Let's get rid of them ALL. Remove them from our sight. Except if you go to some museum.

[yeoman6987]

26. Is it true that it was put to a vote a number of years ago?

I heard the voters voted to keep it. Is that true?

[SCantiGOP]

37. A gimmick

Repubs put a non-binding referendum on the primary ballot about 15 years ago, a hollow attempt to increase voter participation. Of course it passed easily.

[randys1]

5. What would the ACLU say about a law outlawing it's use by any local, county, state or federal

institution.

?

Obviously individuals have the right to display it, private business even, I suppose.

[SCantiGOP]

7. Not sure that is an issue

I've lived here all my life. I can't think of any city or county that flies it. It is on monuments on some public grounds.
One of the most compelling arguments for taking it down has always been to ask the legislators who voted to keep it there why they don't fly it in their front yard or at their place of business.

[randys1]

10. If govts are flying the flag, state or local, then a federal law against that would help

I just wonder what the legality of that is

[George II]

15. Unfortunately they'll whine "state's rights".

[Chan790]

44. I suspect they'll say "freedom of speech and expression."

Rightfully. They have as much right to fly a Confederate flag as we have to burn a Confederate flag and as much right as we have to fly an American flag and other people have to burn an American flag. They're all protected.

That said, I regularly give people a turned-up nose for "Southern pride" of that sort.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Metamorphosis

You can take the flag off the statehouse, but you can't take the flag out of the state.

[riversedge]

12. Well said.

[jtuck004]

23. "you can't take the flag out of the state." < First they have to take it out of their hearts. n/t

[jwirr]

8. Bet the corporations in SC have been busy talking to their reps. No boycott this time. Glad it is

coming down - hope the hate goes with it.

[SCantiGOP]

13. you got it, jwirr

Boeing, BMW, Volvo: these are not companies that would want to be associated with the flag.

That and the fact that tourism is the #1 industry in the state.

[CTyankee]

24. I was thinking about the tourism industry myself...my former inlaws retired to

Hilton Head (from NY) way back in the 70s and before it got so popular with NE retirees. I think it was just right for them...a developing deep South state with good weather but not GA or FL or AL or LA. I don't know exactly what made SC so different from those other states but for some reason it did...

[vkkv]

11. I hope this news PISSES OFF all the SOUTHERN RACISTS so much that they take it out on

Republican politicians.

They already hate "commie liberals", so it makes sense.

[George II]

14. I've never seen such a disingenuous address in my life. There were so many phony comments....

...in it that I can't remember any.

About 99% BS - why did it take almost a week to do this? Why was it there in the first place?

[SCantiGOP]

16. It was there for heritage

Seriously: It was to make a statement that the same people and structure that ran this state in 1860 were still in control.
I've had to look at that racist banner almost every day for the last 30 years. I will be there when it comes down.

[George II]

17. The worst that I heard - It's time to remove it "without ill will", meaning to me...

....we STILL worship it but we can't say that.

WTF does "without ill will" mean?

[3catwoman3]

27. She's probably afraid, and probably...

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...not without reason, that someone will be po'd enough at her to propose "second amendment remedies."

Does anyone have stats from her election to show a voter breakdown? I am curious as to how many white males voted for her.

[Skittles]

38. she's pandering to her racist base

[RiverNoord]

36. That argument is always fascinating to me.

The first official flag of the CSA resembled the the flag of the United States. Difference - 3 stripes instead of 13 and a varying number stars (over time) arranged in a circle.

It lasted for 2 years, and the for the next two years the CSA's flag was white with the 'battle flag' in the upper left corner.

The 'battle flag' of the armies of the CSA is what flies at the SC Capitol, and that's all it was - it never was the national flag of the CSA, and thus it only can really represent the civil war and the fighting.

In contrast, all of the states in the CSA flew the flag of the United States for many, many years longer than either the official CSA flag or the battle flag before the civil war. As a matter of heritage, the CSA battle flag is a blip on the radar of the South. There's about 4 1/2 years of heritage tied up in that flag, and the youngest CSA state, Texas, flew the US flag for 15 years before the civil war.

I can't understand why that flag is so full of 'heritage.' Its use after the war was almost entirely by active racist vigilante groups, which isn't much of a heritage to embrace...

[world wide wally]

22. A week to do this?

My math says it is more like 150 years!

[CTyankee]

18. Lindsey Graham looked like he wanted to throw up...

She sure didn't rush over to him after her remarks...

[stage left]

21. Poor Lindsey.

I feel so bad for him.

[Skittles]

39. Lindsey makes me want to barf every time he speaks

[stage left]

19. This is good news.

Glad to hear it.

[BlueEye]

20. I have a feeling that the national Republican brass have been pushing this down the ranks.

As well as the big corporations in SC, as other posters have mentioned. The party wants to appear less racist, especially given the intense media scrutiny this issue presently has.

[virtualobserver]

25. suddenly, it's the flag of southern Democrats......

according to Fox News, and the American Family Association

no mention of how they all became Republicans.

[heaven05]

28. the 2/3 vote

won't be forthcoming and everybody can point fingers at everyone else. Yet it is possible, given the large corporations are putting pressure on the gov, the national rethugs might be also, election coming up you know, and with tourism being the #1 money maker of that state that economics will trump the racist attitudes prevalent in that state. But nonetheless it's all political theater, nothing heartfelt or sincere.

[JDPriestly]

29. Good. Now South Carolina needs to wage a campaign against racism and get with the

century. How backward can people be?

[bucolic_frolic]

30. Funny

How does one wage a campaign against racism in South Carolina?

All this will do is drive it underground. It will take generations to change
hearts and minds.

[JDPriestly]

34. You show people that ending racism is in their interest and in the interest of their

children and grandchildren. You show them how racism causes pain in all parts of our society and not just in the minority communities. And you make them feel, and this may seem odd to a lot of African-Americans, like they aren't racists and like they aren't bad people and like they love people of other races just like they love people of their own race and that they dislike people because of their personal qualities and not because of the color of their skin and that the default feeling toward people in general is to like them until there is real reason to dislike them.

And Haley could start this campaign in her own home, church and social set.

You have a TV show that portrays the lives of Americans of different races who are friends and you make that show in South Carolina.

Just a few ideas. You portray the truth -- which is that when people of different races accept each other as equals and friends, racism ends. Right there. We perpetuate racism by keeping races apart. And there is resistance on all sides to any merger of cultures and colors.

We all have to decide whether we want separate and unequal or whether we want together and equal. Because being separate leads to unequal. I don't see how it can do otherwise.

[bucolic_frolic]

46. Eloquently stated

I wanna believe, but Billy-Bob sees white-biased TV from New York that plays
to the lowest common denominator, and the BumDaRush airwaves too.

I'm glad you have a plan, and it's a good one. It may meet some entrenched
realities.

[eggplant]

31. See? She's not a racist. She's an opportunist.

And that's even shittier.

[Curmudgeoness]

32. If she really wants my respect,

she would go out there herself and pull the damned thing down. That is what I would do. Screw waiting for the legislature to do anything about it.

[restorefreedom]

40. that would make a statement and show some leadership n/t

[markpkessinger]

33. Translation . . .

Nike's CEO called her and told her she had a goddamned public relations disaster on her hands, and he expected her to fix it but quick!

[CTyankee]

42. Yup, PR is a frigging big deal and she knows it...

gotta sell the product that's made in SC...

[rocktivity]

41. Yawn -- weapon of mass media distraction

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1124195


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[YOHABLO]

43. That's from the Statehouse grounds. What about the rest of the State? Courthouses etc.

[Jefferson23]

45. They really do love that fucking flag:

According to the South Carolina Heritage Act, the flag may not be removed from the capitol grounds without a two-thirds vote from each chamber of the State House.

Let's see how that goes down.

[bvar22]

47. Good for him.

160 years too late

[RobertEarl]

48. No him. Haley is a woman.

And she'd like to keep getting elected, so she is bending to the will of the people. Like any good socialist.