Mississippi Attorney General: No Same-Sex Marriages Allowed Yet

[DonViejo]

Source: TPM

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Television station WREG published the statement:

The Supreme Court’s decision is not effective immediately in Mississippi.

It will become effective in Mississippi, and circuit clerks will be required to issue same-sex marriage licenses, when the 5th Circuit lifts the stay of Judge Reeves’ order.

This could come quickly or may take several days.

The 5th Circuit might also choose not to lift the stay and instead issue and order, which could take considerably longer before it becomes effective.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jim-hood-mississippi-gay-marriage

[bluestateguy]

1. It would be unfortunate if the Army had to be sent in to encourage a schedule speedup

nt

[onenote]

2. It would be unheard of as well.

I'm trying to think of a single instance when the military was used to force a federal court to act. Can't think of one and can't ever imagine it happening or even imagine exactly what the military would be supposed to do.

[George II]

3. Little Rock, 1957

The military was used to enforce a Supreme Court decision.

[Curtis]

5. National Guard

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[Gore1FL]

7. 101st Airborne were there first n/t

[George II]

17. The National Guard is an extension of the military..........

......and they were sent to Little Rock by President Eisenhower.

[onenote]

11. Not against a federal court.

Big --- really really big --distinction between using the military to implement court ordered school desegration against the resistance of a state's governor and using the military to make a federal court issue a decision.

Seriously big distinction. What is the military going to do -- put a gun to the heads of the 5th Circuit judges and make them sign an order? If the Fifth Circuit doesn't act -- and I have no reason to think that they won't act -- the recourse would be to go back to the Supreme Court and have them lift the Fifth Circuit's stay.

[yeoman6987]

4. They said a couple days

I doubt Army will be needed. I don't think anyone thought they were getting married today after the ruling. Most will be able to by next week. Texas seems to be the holdout which won't last either. By next Friday all states will have equality in marriage.

[Fred Sanders]

8. All that is needed is a little time for the political hotheads and their media enablers to STFU.

Obamacare, you lost.

Dixie Swastika, you lost.

Same-sex marriage. You lost. You lost. You lost.

Three strikes! You are OUT!!

Have your pity party, there is a real party to go to!

[Fearless]

6. Funny though, that's not true at all.

[herding cats]

9. It just gives them a few more days for grandstanding like this:

Lawmaker: State could stop marriage licenses altogether

Gov. Phil Bryant said Friday's U.S. Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage "usurps" states' long-held rights to self governance and he's studying the state's "options."

"Gov. Bryant will continue to do all that he can to protect and defend the religious freedoms of Mississippi," spokeswoman Nicole Webb said.

Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves decried the ruling as "overreach of the federal government" that has expanded under the Obama Administration from the executive to the judicial branches.

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State House Judiciary Chairman Andy Gipson, R-Braxton, said he's still studying the ruling, but that one option might be for Mississippi to get out of the marriage business altogether.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/politicalledger/2015/06/26/bryant-gay-marriage/29327433/

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. "one option might be for Mississippi to get out of the marriage business altogether"

Haters gonna hate and will willingly cut off their noses to spite their ugly faces!

[restorefreedom]

13. fine. then they will force washington

to start issuing federal marriage licenses.

then let them bitch about their state rights

[restorefreedom]

14. ps love your video! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

15. They would have a fit with federal licenses

An that little .gif is how I feel so many times - you got all your little ducklings in a row and then something comes along to just mess you up!

[restorefreedom]

16. they are so cute!

oh yes federal licenses will have them frothing at the mouth for sure. but if these red states think they are going to use "delays" or even to stop issuing marriage licenses to any couples, the feds will have no choice i suppose.

[Retrograde]

19. That's fine, but

if I read the decision correctly Mississippi will still have to recognize valid marriages - including same sex ones - from other states.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. And sadly, this is where the battle begins

It becomes more than just "recognizing". It extends to applying and enforcing it in legal matters within the state including spousal benefits and parental responsibilities, etc. It will also require re-tooling any forms - e.g., "spouse" instead of limiting to just "husband" and "wife" and using "parent" instead of limiting to "mother" or "father", etc. I.e., "gender neutral" language. And taking it one step further for example, "spouse" appears to have more of a legal (civil) designation than "partner".

They will need to look at the wording on many recent federal forms for guidance which of course will make their heads explode.

[Jim Lane]

24. This is pure hypocrisy unless they said the same thing about DOMA.

These grandstanders are correct on one point -- that marriage has traditionally been an area left to the states rather than the federal government. The only exception I can think of is the Supreme Court decision in Loving v. Virginia that required all states to recognize interracial marriages. Because of the heritage of slavery and the Civil War Amendments to the Constitution, issues of racial discrimination have long had a special place in American law.

That was the only exception, that is, until DOMA. Under DOMA, a state could exercise its vaunted state's rights and decide to enact marriage equality, and it wouldn't matter. The tyrannical federal government would refuse to recognize that decision for purposes of Social Security, federal income tax, or anything else.

Did any of these loudmouthed bigots protest the way DOMA intruded on traditional state prerogatives? No? Well, too bad. The right wing was fully on board with overriding states' rights in this area when that suited their purposes. It's too late to invoke states' rights. That horse left the barn two decades ago.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Geez who would want to marry there anyway? nt

[loudsue]

18. I just wish southern states would quit reproducing racists, homophobes, and

ignorant republicans. I live in a southern state, and I'm surrounded by all three of those types.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. Me too - if you count TX as a southern state. But lived in AL and I have heard

it all. But...actually believe TX more racist and homophobic than AL.

[MickeyFinne]

22. I just wish that all states would quit reproducing racists, homophobes, and...

I rarely post, but I do get tired of the anti-South rhetoric. Your finger pointing and use of logical fallacy doesn't represent liberal thought well.

I'm not upset or trying to call you out or upset you. I recognize that there is much excitement about the recent SCOTUS decisions. But I also think that respectful, measured commentary reflects much better on a person and a group (liberals, for instance).

Hate is widespread throughout our nation, as the hard work of the Southern Poverty Law Center clearly shows:

http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Best to all and keep smiling. We actually do win a few battles from time to time and occasionally find the most unexpected allies, even in the Supreme Court.

[loudsue]

23. I have the deepest respect for the Southern Poverty Law Center, however,

the list you linked is only for the towns with substantial population. There are many more small towns, not listed, that have hate groups living an "in your face" presence that have been omitted from that list. Many KKK-type groups meet monthly in rural areas all over North Carolina. In former confederate states, racism is more insidious, in my opinion, because it is part and parcel of a cultural wound ("The War of Northern Aggression" i.e., the Civil War to the rest of us) that continues to fester. It is even apparent in the baptist churches, from the pulpit, in rural areas.

I've lived in 15 states in my long life, and I can tell you that other states do have racists by the boatload. But in the former confederacy, folks think you're SUPPOSED to be racist, just like you're SUPPOSED to be baptist....and in fact, they believe it with all their "faith" in their culture/religion/patriotism/heritage.

That is one reason why I value the SPLC so highly: They really do lead a valiant battle while walking a path through land mines of ensconced, institutionalized, racist law and court structures that reflect those social values.

I don't "hate" the south or southern culture; there is a great nurturing streak that runs through the culture, as well as the racist streak. I believe the nurturing streak is also born from the same wound of shared suffering from losing "the war".

"The war" isn't over here.