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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:57 AM Jun 2015

Activist Pulls Down Confederate Flag in Front of South Carolina Statehouse

Source: The Guardian

Activist pulls down Confederate flag in front of South Carolina statehouse

Police arrest unidentified woman after she climbed up the 30ft steel flagpole and removed the flag before returning to the ground

Alan Yuhas in New York
@alanyuhas
Saturday 27 June 2015 08.17 EDT Last modified on Saturday 27 June 2015 09.55 EDT

An activist in South Carolina climbed a flagpole in Columbia early on Saturday morning and removed the Confederate flag flying in front of the capitol building. The woman’s action came a day after President Barack Obama gave the eulogy for a black pastor who was murdered by an apparent white supremacist along with eight other people in a Charleston church last week.

A woman identified by a protest organizer as Bree Newsome, a 30-year-old youth organizer from Charlotte, North Carolina, climbed the flagpole before 6am and took down the controversial emblem of the antebellum, slaveholding south, with the assistance of another activist. Newsome was halfway up the 30ft pole when police demanded that she climb back down, but she continued upward and removed the flag.

Activist Mervyn Marcano told the Guardian that when Newsome returned to the ground she and James Ian Dyson were arrested by capitol police and taken to a detention center.

Police did not immediately respond to inquires about whether Newsome and Dyson had been charged, but CNN reported that the pair faced charges of defacing a monument.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/27/woman-removes-confederate-flag-south-carolina-statehouse

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Activist Pulls Down Confederate Flag in Front of South Carolina Statehouse (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2015 OP
Defacing? Really? HassleCat Jun 2015 #1
my first thought, too. Beautify America is more like it wordpix Jun 2015 #27
Exactly. It was the Confederate Battle Flag that was defacing the monument. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #88
I salute her! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #2
Yup. Good on her. sarge43 Jun 2015 #7
They have the indefinite article in the wrong place. The charge should read:'A defacing Joe Chi Minh Jun 2015 #18
K&R for two fine Americans mountain grammy Jun 2015 #3
Very good point - that is a part of the 60s activism we seldom think about. Defacing a monument jwirr Jun 2015 #9
I read in another thread that LiberalElite Jun 2015 #61
walking the walk heaven05 Jun 2015 #4
Civil disobedience is deep in the fabric of America! Lint Head Jun 2015 #5
Here's the video KeepItReal Jun 2015 #6
Thank you for posting this wonderful video! It was great. She is so courageous. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #19
You're welcome. Courageous indeed! KeepItReal Jun 2015 #24
That is a wonderful image! AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #40
Amazing individual..kudos. K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #104
she did SC a huge favor. Now the pols will have to vote to put it back up! wordpix Jun 2015 #28
That is just awe inspiring. Courage is on incredible display this week. nolabear Jun 2015 #30
Glad to see the pigs cuff her. snort Jun 2015 #44
Her arrest (which she knew would happen) is the perfect punctuation. Glassunion Jun 2015 #80
I'm thinking the video is a fake. Glassunion Jun 2015 #79
Thank you for posting BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #83
I'm crying. bravenak Jun 2015 #84
That is the way it is done. Live and Learn Jun 2015 #100
I just watched the video. longship Jun 2015 #8
I also noticed that she held the confederate flag in a more proper way than the police did using jwirr Jun 2015 #10
Yup! Pure class. nt longship Jun 2015 #15
yeah wasn't that something restorefreedom Jun 2015 #29
Dish towel? snort Jun 2015 #45
the way he was dragging it restorefreedom Jun 2015 #51
I was comparing how she held it compare do the policeman who bundled it up in a ball in his arms. jwirr Jun 2015 #52
You keep the high ground when you have it in a fight. snort Jun 2015 #65
I don't see how the charges could be avebury Jun 2015 #49
So do I. I suspect the charges will be dropped. jwirr Jun 2015 #54
I got the impression that enlightenment Jun 2015 #55
It was classy. I would have just dropped it or burned it. Live and Learn Jun 2015 #101
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #11
She didn't steal it. She just took it down. gcomeau Jun 2015 #12
Cat got your tongue? TBF Jun 2015 #13
What about this issue do you not understand? longship Jun 2015 #17
Just curious marym625 Jun 2015 #23
not only did she not steal it, but she treated it with respect wordpix Jun 2015 #33
+1 marym625 Jun 2015 #36
Yes! The whole process was done with such poise and class. Heroic and inspiring. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #46
LOL not theives. Volaris Jun 2015 #25
It only took 11 posts EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2015 #39
Did you sign up special just for this? notadmblnd Jun 2015 #41
I'll take the hide awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #63
+1 frylock Jun 2015 #68
Wow, I'm surprised... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #96
+10000 heaven05 Jun 2015 #71
Nothing but applause for you. I'm a little shocked by the close vote, frankly. byronius Jun 2015 #103
... NuclearDem Jun 2015 #64
How are they thieves? heaven05 Jun 2015 #70
This is clearly a political protest treestar Jun 2015 #72
Let freedom ring Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #14
+ 100,000 n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #31
I love that a black woman had the guts to do what no one else could do. Novara Jun 2015 #16
Weren't they gonna take it down anyway? WhoWoodaKnew Jun 2015 #20
Maybe. But Ms Newsome saved their butts sarge43 Jun 2015 #22
does that make a difference heaven05 Jun 2015 #73
Individualistic adventurism. candelista Jun 2015 #21
Did lunch counter sit-ins achieve anything? Hekate Jun 2015 #34
Were they "individualistic"? candelista Jun 2015 #38
Ok, so how many people does it take to remove LiberalElite Jun 2015 #57
One less Dixie Swastika SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #62
Tell that to Rosa Parks sarge43 Jun 2015 #66
achieved a lot heaven05 Jun 2015 #69
"Individualistic adventurism. Achieves nothing." BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #85
BOOM! SunSeeker Jun 2015 #87
More "individualistic adventurism" that "achieved nothing" BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #89
It is breathtaking, isn't it? Hekate Jun 2015 #93
Ugh. Hissyspit Jun 2015 #98
Kickin' Faux pas Jun 2015 #26
And of course they had to put the flag back up again. This could have been a golden totodeinhere Jun 2015 #32
damn, I thought they'd keep it down & have to vote in SC legislature to put it back wordpix Jun 2015 #35
Having it up there is the default position - LiberalElite Jun 2015 #59
no guts Novara Jun 2015 #37
Right, because individualistic adventurism doesn't work. candelista Jun 2015 #105
I bet the racist put it back up at night GOLGO 13 Jun 2015 #42
Next time put a little concentrated sulfuric acid at the base of the pole cosmicone Jun 2015 #43
She's a very talented and creative woman. She's also a film maker. mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #47
the comments on the WRAL news site (local, Raleigh) are as you would expect. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #48
Agree. Actually, if so many people want to think like that, they deserve to be symbolized by Dixie. alp227 Jun 2015 #78
they certainly did hurry to get it back up there Charlie Brown Jun 2015 #50
"no further damage was done"? There was no damage to begin with. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #91
I'm sure it was damaged. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #99
Nice job The Jungle 1 Jun 2015 #53
Michael Moore has promised to cover her bail and legal fees starroute Jun 2015 #56
I will remember Bree Wilson's name JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #58
This name would be better: Bree Newsome Demit Jun 2015 #74
iPad auto correct JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #75
Link to gofund.me Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #60
that's because people are donating through indiegogo instead JustinL Jun 2015 #76
The Bravery of Bree Newsome: Activist Takes Down Confederate Flag at South Carolina Capitol LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #67
I hope she dares them to charge her bluestateguy Jun 2015 #77
Good for her. stage left Jun 2015 #81
More guts VA_Jill Jun 2015 #82
Glad it's just a minor misdemeanor madville Jun 2015 #86
This day will be remembered in history Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #90
Yes............by a few. cstanleytech Jun 2015 #94
UPDATE - Bree Newsome and James Tyson have been released Novara Jun 2015 #92
Excellent! BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #95
The video is so great. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #97
So impressive. Such gravitas. She's just so good. byronius Jun 2015 #102

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
88. Exactly. It was the Confederate Battle Flag that was defacing the monument.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jun 2015

She just removed it. She did not destroy the flag nor even take it. She simply moved it off the flag pole and gave it to the security. I can't imagine prosecutors getting a conviction for "defacing" on these facts. Trespass maybe, not defacing.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
18. They have the indefinite article in the wrong place. The charge should read:'A defacing
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

monument', bringing the Carolina statehouse into disrepute.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. Very good point - that is a part of the 60s activism we seldom think about. Defacing a monument
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

would be burning the damned thing like is happening to black churches right now.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
4. walking the walk
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:07 AM - Edit history (2)

no lip service here...brave BREE NEWSOME!!!!!!! And James Ian Dyson

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
28. she did SC a huge favor. Now the pols will have to vote to put it back up!
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015
It's a harder vote for a racist to not appear racist to put it back

snort

(2,334 posts)
44. Glad to see the pigs cuff her.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

She looks dangerous, that one.

I'm thinking a super soaker loaded with corn liquor a trace down the pole and a match would be a fun way to deal with these flags.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
80. Her arrest (which she knew would happen) is the perfect punctuation.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jun 2015

One person (two actually) standing up to oppression. Fighting the system the only way they can.

I so hope this goes to trial. A very public one.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
79. I'm thinking the video is a fake.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

No way someone could climb that pole and carry the weight of a pair of giantic brass balls. I don't think the concrete pad holding the pole could support the weight.

I always enjoy adding people to my list of heros. Two more on the list.

BumRushDaShow

(128,881 posts)
83. Thank you for posting
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:52 PM
Jun 2015

I saw malaise's GD thread and read the articles and posted still pics... as well as watched some video clips edited by the talking heads...

But this video - of just her and the audio of what she said at the top, and as she descended, was arrested, and was escorted away, literally broke me up.

I am going to honestly say that up here in Philly, I really don't see any Confederate symbols around - whether as a flag or bumper sticker or whatever, but I can see why my mother always said that she would "fly over the south" and refuse to set foot there (although we did take her to Atlanta about 15 years ago for a wedding, and got to see Ebeneezer Baptist church, the Civil Rights Museum, etc.). Here in Philly, we are "above the Mason Dixon Line" and were part of the salvation of so many who fled that evil and the symbol that more recently became the badge of honor for the evil-do-ers.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. I just watched the video.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jun 2015

She is one cool cat. The way she scaled that pole is amazing. And the way she politely refused to come down to the cops showed complete class.

I think Bree is my newest hero in a week with so damned many of them.



R&K

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. I also noticed that she held the confederate flag in a more proper way than the police did using
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:49 AM
Jun 2015

the standards of treating a flag. No defacing or dragging it on the ground, etc.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
29. yeah wasn't that something
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jun 2015

she was so careful and then the cop walks off practically dragging it on the ground like he was holding an old dishtowel.

she was freakin awesome!!

snort

(2,334 posts)
45. Dish towel?
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jun 2015

I would put it at toilet paper level. Would have been nice if they'd just burned it then and there.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
51. the way he was dragging it
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jun 2015

reminded me a bit of a dishtowel. i think i did read of some folks burning one in front of lee's statue....

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
52. I was comparing how she held it compare do the policeman who bundled it up in a ball in his arms.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jun 2015

She is acting in the way that the people at the funeral were talking about. The black people are the peace makers in this situation. You keep the high ground when you have it in a fight.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
49. I don't see how the charges could be
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015

upheld in a court of law.

Attempted theft maybe, defacing a "monument" is way over reaching.

It is possible that the prosecutor may see the light of reason and drop the case. It will certainly not help South Carolina's reputation.

I respect their courage for standing up for what is right!

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
55. I got the impression that
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

the police were just doing their job - not that they were particularly inclined to agree with what they were doing. Their actions were casual, their treatment of the the woman and the man 'polite' (hard to say that putting someone in cuffs is polite, but they weren't cruel), and their treatment of the flag appropriate.

The Confederate Battle flag doesn't deserve standard flag etiquette - it wouldn't have bothered me if they had wiped their boots with it.

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
23. Just curious
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

Do you only come here to be negative? Or have you posted positivity here and I just missed it?

She did not steal it so you can relax about that. They have it and can put it back up. But I am sure some other righteous person will come back and take it down again

Have a great day!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. not only did she not steal it, but she treated it with respect
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

I didn't see it touch the ground.

A helluva lot more respect than that flag deserves, too.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
103. Nothing but applause for you. I'm a little shocked by the close vote, frankly.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 05:38 AM
Jun 2015

4-3? Who the fuck thought that comment was not ultra-boneheaded acid-blooded racist bullshit? What? WHAT?!?

Good lord this place weirds me out sometimes.

But not you. Good on you. Tell it.

Novara

(5,841 posts)
16. I love that a black woman had the guts to do what no one else could do.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

Fuck you, Nikki Haley. This woman has a hell of a lot more guts than you do.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
22. Maybe. But Ms Newsome saved their butts
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jun 2015

The SC ledge can blame her now. I wouldn't be surprised if they were hoping for this, but she fooled them. She wasn't violent enough. As pointed out, she treated that rag with more respect than it deserves.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
73. does that make a difference
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jun 2015

or don't you understand that it will(it is back on the flagpole) or would have stayed up on some legal technicality like being a part of "southern pride" in the valor of their soldiers serving a treasonous and hateful system that kept people in bondage and tried to destroy the then united states in an effort to perpetuate that slavery..

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
69. achieved a lot
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jun 2015

showed courage and defiance in the face of state sanctioned racism and race inspired hate. What's been done in your neck of the woods to defeat racist hate, symbolically or otherwise? geez the nerve of some people when judging true active courage, not just armchair quarter backing.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
32. And of course they had to put the flag back up again. This could have been a golden
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

opportunity to put the issue behind them and once it was taken down by this brave woman just leave it down. But oh no, those idiots could not do the most prudent and logical thing so they hoisted that racist symbol back up again. Disgusting.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
35. damn, I thought they'd keep it down & have to vote in SC legislature to put it back
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jun 2015

so much for that kind of logical thinking

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
59. Having it up there is the default position -
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jun 2015

they deliberately made it a lot harder to get rid of it.

Novara

(5,841 posts)
37. no guts
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jun 2015

It would have been amazing if the groundskeepers - or whoever is in charge of that rag - refuse to put it back up. En masse. If all of the people who are responsible for the thing refuse to put it back up, would they really fire all of them?

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
42. I bet the racist put it back up at night
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

Lets hope others consider such actions in a safe manner. Hope they tape it too.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
43. Next time put a little concentrated sulfuric acid at the base of the pole
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

The next hurricane will finish the job.

alp227

(32,018 posts)
78. Agree. Actually, if so many people want to think like that, they deserve to be symbolized by Dixie.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jun 2015

This is why I disagree with the "take down the flag" activists. Great symbolism to take down the flag, but it won't change many minds in reality.

Charlie Brown

(2,797 posts)
50. they certainly did hurry to get it back up there
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jun 2015

'"The flag was replaced with a new flag within about an hour and no further damage was done," the statement from officials said.'

all the trouble & technical issues we were told about lowering the flag like the others last week did not seem to be an issue after this happening. I think some of those guards were afraid it might not be put back if they didn't act fast.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
91. "no further damage was done"? There was no damage to begin with.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jun 2015

She didn't hurt their precious flag of hate--she gave it to cops when she came down off the pole.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
99. I'm sure it was damaged.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 02:50 AM
Jun 2015

You can see the cops dragging it around like a painters drop cloth, and wadding it up like trash.

None of that is on Bree though.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
53. Nice job
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jun 2015

I kept thinking that someone should do exactly that. My plan was show up with a torch and down it comes.
I am glad she waited so the pot could come to a full boil.
Rough week to be on the right.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
56. Michael Moore has promised to cover her bail and legal fees
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015
https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/614814840893255680

Friends of @BreeNewsome - I will pay her bail money or any legal fees she has. Please let her know this. #Charleston #TakeDownTheFlag

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
67. The Bravery of Bree Newsome: Activist Takes Down Confederate Flag at South Carolina Capitol
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jun 2015

*"Activist Bree Newsome climbed a flagpole in front of the Columbia, South Carolina capitol building early on Saturday, June 27, 2015 and removed the Confederate flag flying in front of the building."*

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bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
77. I hope she dares them to charge her
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jun 2015

Jury nullification is a fine thing.

Her lawyer will have to work hard to keep white good old boys off of her jury.

VA_Jill

(9,965 posts)
82. More guts
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

than Nimrata Haley showed. The governor could have ordered the flag taken down, even though the law says the legislature has to pass legislation for that. She doesn't even have the backbone to make that *symbolic* gesture...which, of course, does not surprise me in the least. She is little more than a cardboard cutout of a governor anyway.

madville

(7,408 posts)
86. Glad it's just a minor misdemeanor
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jun 2015

The law I looked up says a fine of no more than $100 and/or a sentence of no more than 30 days.

If anything she'll probably just get a small fine at the most, well worth it.

cstanleytech

(26,284 posts)
94. Yes............by a few.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jun 2015

A day that would probably be remembered by more than a few is when the people who live in South Carolina (and not people who live in North Carolina like Bree according to the article.) vote on if they want the flag to remain where is as part of the states history or have it removed.

Edit: Though to be honest I dont care if they leave or if they take it down and shred it because much like the american flag its really just a piece of cloth in the end.

BumRushDaShow

(128,881 posts)
95. Excellent!
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jun 2015


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/27/south-carolina-confederate-flag-remove-activist-ferguson-action/29383973/

Jessie Jackson tweeted -

Rev Jesse Jackson Sr ?@RevJJackson

We thank God that @BreeNewsome had the courage to take the flag down! #KeepItDown #FreeBree

https://twitter.com/RevJJackson/status/614789669260148736


And another tweet on his feed is classic!

EarlNash ?@EarlNash 6h6 hours ago

@RevJJackson "with BREEDOM & Justice for All..."

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
97. The video is so great.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

I love all the voices saying "Ma'am. Ma'am? Ma'am!" as they realize what she's up there to do. Badass!

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