Mexican drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman escapes jail
Source: BBC
Top Mexican drug lord Joaquin Guzman, known as El Chapo or "Shorty", has escaped from a maximum security prison for a second time, officials say.
In a statement, Mexico's National Security Commission said Guzman was last seen in the showers of the Altiplano jail late on Saturday night.
He was the leader of the Sinaloa cartel, which smuggles huge amounts of illegal drugs into the US.
His recapture in 2014 was hailed as a victory for Mexico's government.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33497301
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Is he 6 feet under the ground or strolling on some South American beach with a new ID? we may never know.
Chirpio
(28 posts)He is a dead man walking.
More like he'll wipe out everyone's family who crosses him.
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Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)That's for the Mexican government.
And they've actually killed or captured quite a few of them in recent years. Including Chapo...
underpants
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Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)He's a multimillionaire. Prison guards in Mexico are poorly paid so dangle a couple of thousand dollars in front of them and he's free.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
Igel
(35,300 posts)"It wasn't actually Guzman in the showers. It was somebody cleverly disguised as Guzman."
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Pretty good read.
Another ruthless War on Drugs millionaire...
sir pball
(4,741 posts)Nothing subtle - open joint military/LE operations with no intention of capture. It worked brilliantly before, it's time to reiterate the message.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar#Death_and_aftermath
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Equating a valid law enforcement operation with drug cartel death squads is stupid and disgusting.
jomin41
(559 posts)a 'valid law enforcement operation" is vile and disgusting.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Sounds like a death squad to me.
"Valid law enforcement operations" don't generally involve summary executions. And Mexico already has a problem with that.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I wonder how we (we in the US) could put an end to the perpetual circus of drug trafficking? Hmmmmmm, lessee..........
truthisfreedom
(23,146 posts)
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)
Charles approves!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Yes - yes - what a horrific idea. And HOW HAVE humans made it to this modern age when all this stuff WASN'T legislated in eons past? Think ZPG, think Gene pool, think about the responses to man-on-the-street queries like Jay Leno used to ask. It's a KNOWN fact, that natural wildfires serve a beneficial purpose. But we humans (being SO smart as we are) suppress these natural events until the ugly consequences finally explode into a REAL debacle.
Protecting EVERY idiot from themselves is NOT compassionate nor a service to society. It just isn't. In the case of drugs, smarter folks would not do them - and THEIR genes would go forward.
Back when we walked with dinosaurs, if ol' Grunt-grunt got his jollies by poking at a T-rex with a stick - he paid the price. His fellow cave dwellers likely warned him it wasn't a smart thing to do, but having heard those warnings, he decided to try it anyway. His genes aren't with us today, BTW.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Until you are burying someone you care about.
Maybe we should all quit caring about other people unless they are smart and competent and strong enough not to do stupid stuff?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)People who didn't do anything to anybody.
People kill themselves with alcohol and tobacco, too. Yet we manage to deal with that without this huge drug war police and prison complex.
You know, if we weren't spending tens of billions of dollars each year on drug law enforcement (and not achieving much), we might be able to get some resources devoted to drug education, prevention, and treatment.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I was saying that it would be best for our planet and best for our species. Species that can't adapt go extinct. They may have been a lovable species, but that's not good enough. Look at all the loveable creatures that are threatened with extinction because of the desirability as pets.
No - hard choices are called that because they're hard.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)This raw sewage of a human being made his big bucks with the heroin trade. Not only did he kill thousands of his rivals and innocents in his own country but his drugs probably harmed untold numbers of people and ruined their health forever. The people he couldn't bribe, he threatened, with the death of them and their entire family. I'm in favor of not legalizing heroin. if American drug addicts thought about it, they'd try to get off drugs or never get on hard drugs like H just to keep thousands of Mexicans from being murdered down in Mexico and keeping these guys in business. Every dollar they spend keep these murdering criminal enterprises going. But most people in this world think no further than their immediate selfish needs and wants.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)So MANY have died that dared stand up to (or just by sheer chance were in the wrong place at the right time.) these kingpins. What's the justification of their ultimate sacrifices? By what stance does dying with a badge on make it any more OK than some jerk putting themselves out of their own misery?
And how much do we who're smarter than to use this crap - how much should we be forced to cough up to protect those we can't aid? There are instances where we try to cull populations of various creatures, in essence to protect them from themselves. I honestly think that having a perceptive brain shouldn't set us aside from the other creatures on this particular, peculiar planet. Hell, we make it justifiable to blow one another away for the phony crime of zealously defending imaginary "gods". But you'd have me be remorseful about someone dying because they made life-threatening choices for sheer pleasure or escape from reality.
Our woeful attempts at prohibition are what empowered this raw sewage of a human being to effect death on MORE than just those who choose to do the drugs. If this stuff were as easy as beer to buy - how MANY law enforcement types would be going home to their loved ones each evening?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)That is that as long as someone's willing to pay for something - SOMEONE will find a way to sell it to them. It's JUST that SIMPLE. No amount of reason or policing is gonna keep the seller and the buyer from transacting. If you missed that point - NO ONE is gonna keep the seller and the wanter from doing business.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Much of that is due to the increased efforts of drug gangs under expert drug marketers like El Chapo (marketing heroin to the U.S. is his single area of expertise and why he is so important to the cartel). So "no" you are wrong in your statement that nothing can change the rate of sales between a willing seller and a willing buyer. If we took out El Chapo by a professional hit squad, something he richly deserves even more than Osama Bin Laden deserved it, it would impede drug sales. If we did away with drug laws and selling heroin was no longer punishable by incarceration, it would affect sales, too.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)lame having allowed this to happen.
Comrade Grumpy
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Eugene
(61,880 posts)Source: Chicago Tribune
By Tribune wire reports
JULY 12, 2015, 12:03 PM
In a scheme befitting a caper movie, Mexico's most powerful drug lord, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, escaped from a maximum security prison through a 1-mile tunnel from a small opening in the shower area of his cell, the country's top security official announced Sunday.
The elaborate underground escape route built allegedly without the detection of authorities allowed Guzman to do what Mexican officials promised would never happen after his recapture last year — slip out of one of the country's most secure penitentiaries for the second time.
Eighteen employees from various part of the Altiplano prison 55 miles west of Mexico City have been taken in for questioning, Security Commissioner Monte Alejandro Rubido said in a news conference without answering questions.
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It was difficult to believe that such an elaborate structure could have been built without the detection of authorities, though photographs show the facility surrounded by construction, with large open ditches and lots of metal drainage pipes that could have camouflaged such a project. The tunnel terminated in a half-built house in a rural farm field near the prison, according to authorities who cordoned off the structure. Guzman dropped by ladder into a hole 10 yards deep that connected with a tunnel about 1.7 yards high that was fully ventilated.
Guzman is known for the elaborate tunnels his cartel has built underneath the Mexico-U.S. border to transport cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana, with ventilation, lighting and even railcars to easily move products.
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Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-joaquin-el-chapo-guzman-escapes-20150712-story.html#page=1
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)The guy is lower than shit. His flunkies have tortured their way to power, using acid on people to get them to cooperate. He deserves the worst kind of torture, mutilation, and death and to be buried in an open sewer.
jomin41
(559 posts)Our vile and disgusting drug war.
