Socialist candidate Hollande defeats Sarkozy in French presidential race
Source: Daily Kos
Socialist candidate Hollande defeats Sarkozy in French presidential race
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According to jssnews.com, reliable sources close to the Elysée palace and of the Ministère de lIntérieur, who is organising the elections, Hollande comfortably won by at least 52%.
17h45 : Les sources de JSSNews, qualifiées dexcellentes (tant à lElysée quau Ministère de lIntérieur), sont formelles : François Hollande remporterait 52% des suffrages face à Nicolas Sarkozy. Il devient ainsi le 10ème Président français de la Vème République.
Notez cependant quil existe une marge derreur de 1.5%
Ce qui ne serait pas suffisant pour permettre à Nicolas Sarkozy de garder son poste.
Other foreign media are also confirming, with all early estimates putting Hollande between 52% and 55%.
Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/06/1089222/-Socialist-candidate-Hollande-defeats-Sarkozy-in-French-presidential-race
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)MH1
(17,573 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Still, a major upgrade from Sarko!
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)age will be overturned.
America's GOPs is probably flipping out.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Don't throw cold water on me today, OK.
elleng
(130,773 posts)and might happen in France, but will take more than just France. Could provide a good example for the rest of the world, but also will likely take a while to show effects.
elleng
(130,773 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)but i have to say, im going to be cautious with my optimism
the right always finds a way to fuck things up . always. lol
dkf
(37,305 posts)Europe was always his greatest potential problem.
Lucky Luciano
(11,250 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Praveen said there is still room for a market rebound if Hollande, should he win the presidency, comes out with a more conciliatory tone that would ease investors' fears about France's commitment to fiscal stability.
Investors are waiting to see if Hollande, who holds an advantage in polls over Sarkozy, will be able to square France's need for fiscal reforms with his plans to promote growth.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE8431PU20120504?irpc=932
suffragette
(12,232 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Those bond yields are the gauge used to determine potential insolvency.
If these governments think spending will grow their economy out of this mess they will have to suffer through the higher yields and prove it is better to doubters aka investors.
Or maybe they are depending on the ECB to pull something out of their hats.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)You speak of potential suffering, but there has already been actual suffering because of this failed policy - the suffering of the young who can't find jobs, the suffering of those whose pensions are being robbed, the suffering of those crushed as social benefits are destroyed.
edited for typo
dkf
(37,305 posts)I wish them good luck.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)By Simon Kennedy on May 03, 2012
...I wish Id been wrong for the sake of the world, Krugman said in an interview with Bloomberg Televisions Carol Massar. You can see that there has been a definite shift in opinion.
The euro areas push to revive confidence in its economy and financial markets by attacking budget deficits will be challenged at the ballot boxes of France and Greece on May 6 as the regions economy skids toward its second recession in three years and unemployment nears 11 percent.
Leading demands for a revised strategy, French Socialist Francois Hollande, a reader of Krugman, tops President Nicolas Sarkozy in the polls with the warning that putting debt-cutting over expansion is bringing desperation to people. Elsewhere, Greeks are turning to anti-austerity parties, recession-wracked Spain and Italy are relaxing deficit targets, the Dutch government is splintering and European Central Bank President Mario Draghi is calling for a growth compact.
...
In a camp that boasts fellow Nobel winner Joseph Stiglitz and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, Krugmans voice has been loudest in warning that deploying austerity in a slump is self-defeating as it deepens the economic pain and can generate even higher debt. For pulpits, the 59-year-old Princeton University professor has a regular New York Times op- ed and blog. A book, End This Depression Now! was published this week and is already among the bestsellers on Amazon.com Inc.s U.S. website.
Not a Whim
Francois Hollande has read Krugman, Michel Sapin, one of Hollandes economic advisers, said in an interview. His writings show that Hollandes proposals are not a whim and that this idea that growth is key is spreading....
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-02/krugman-wishes-he-was-wrong-amid-eu-austerity-backlash
dkf
(37,305 posts)Ugh. Growth based on debt isn't new as we've been on this course for ages. We are just reaching the end of its capacity.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)I firmly believe global politics are right now being driven by energy and resistance to moving away from fossil fuels and the centralized energy system they have built around them. It isn't a coincidence that the deficit hawks are all conservatives in a time when policies they hate - energy specifically - are poised to launch unalterably down a new path. Nor is it a coincidence that the message they are preaching is a policy that has been proven wrong as thoroughly as any economic theory can possibly be proven.
Now if we can get rid of Merkel and Cameron we will be able to get something done.
This is not the late-1970's stagflation in any form...there is substantial room for Keynesian solutions and righting the ship through regulative measures. What there no longer is, is any great bloc of empowered-resistance left to that solution in Europe. Austerity is dead, stimulus will be returning.
What I suspect is troubling you though is the fear that this is the death-knell for Democratic austerity-campers like yourself in the US. Dead is the Clintonian fiscal-centrism and its' adherence to Chicago-school economic theories? Let's hope so.
Economic-liberalism has returned (to Europe)...hooray!!
Maybe we're next?
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)Bond yield increase in the wake of austerity, yet you blame the "potential loosening of the austerity".
As usual, your grasp one economics is not so good.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I'm sure you know that.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)more, in terms of income taxes, capital-gain taxes, financial-transaction taxes, and put an end to all tax havens.
After all this will be implemented worldwide, they will still earn more than enough to live a very, very good life....
And the rest of the world will have a better one.
F*ck the GD supply-side Reaganomics!
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)here.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)He was never horrible, but wrong for the definition of France.
Go left and prosper.
Vive la France!
We want to retire there.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Richard D
(8,741 posts)The streets of Paris are flooded with celebrating people.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I was in Strasbourg five years ago on the night of the last election. My girlfriend and I were eating dinner outside and heard loads of noise from a few blocks away. After dinner, we went to examine what it was, and there were thousands of people marching in protest to the vote, so we followed along, walking miles through the streets. People at the head of the crowd would announce a destination, and riot police would try to beat them there and block of the intersection, so plans were constantly changing. This was in a city which is quite far right-wing for the country, but it still happened - definitely no open celebration of the Sarkozy victory.
Mass
(27,315 posts)On a gagne.
Now, same thing for Obama...
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)Socialist Hollande beats Sarkozy to win French presidency
Socialist Party challenger François Hollande has beaten incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy in a tight run-off election to win the French presidency with 51.9% of the vote to Sarkozys 48.1%, Ipsos exit polls show.
http://www.france24.com/en/
Mass
(27,315 posts)All the French media called the election for Hollande.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)k&R
suffragette
(12,232 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,272 posts)...
Mr Sarkozy, who has been in office since 2007, urged his UMP party to remain united, but warned he would not lead it into June's parliamentary elections, according to AFP news agency.
It quotes him as telling party leaders, as he read a draft of his concession speech: "Stay together. We must win the battle of the legislatives. I will not lead that campaign."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17975660
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)He remained unsure, however, whether Mr. Hollande would be up to the task of guiding France and Europe through the economic crisis.
I dont know if Hollande will help, but he is changing minds in Europe about the need to stimulate growth along with achieving fiscal discipline, he said. The future of France is uncertain. I couldnt say if feel optimistic or pessimistic at this moment. We will have to see what the future holds.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/world/europe/hollande-and-sarkozy-in-crucial-runoff-in-france.html?_r=1&hp
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)We need the House and Senate to be filled with good progressives.
SunSeeker
(51,523 posts)caveat_imperator
(193 posts)Or at the least, give the people the day off from work in order to vote.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Where everyone gets the day off, by law. (People can still work but they'd be given the incentive to go vote.)
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Would have dropped everything to post here if Sarkozy won.
Hah!
Berlin Expat
(949 posts)Vive la France!!! Vive la République!!!
rayofreason
(2,259 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Europe is coming to its senses. Will we? Or is it Mitt and the Kochs?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)........
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ocpagu
(1,954 posts)May Holland honor you all.
Solidarity!
magic59
(429 posts)I just hope he tells the banksters to take a hike. We need a strong Socialist government in this country but will not happen until we boot corporate greed out of Washington and state governments.
hay rick
(7,590 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)unkachuck
(6,295 posts)....may this be a large step in the Europes' (the planets) response to wall-street, the melt-down banksters and the corporate organized crime thugs that rule our world....
....may the message be sent far and wide, 'Pay off your own gambling debts, pay your fair share of taxes and pack your sponsored austerity measures up your ass.'
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...as pawns for the elite or some shit.
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)They need to freeze all accounts until they get the 75% tax rate in place. By the way, the 75% also will apply to accrued wealth, not just the investment earnings, so the tax rate is actually going to be more effectively enforced. This is great news!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,272 posts)http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17189739
France does already have a tax on accrued wealth, but it's far smaller than that:
Fraction Taxable Rate of Tax
1,300,000 - 2,570,000 0.75%
2,570,000 - 4,040,000 1.00%
4,040,000 - 7,710,000 1.30%
7,710,000 - 16,790,000 1.65%
Over 16,790,000 1.80%
http://www.french-property.com/guides/france/finance-taxation/taxation/wealth-tax/rate/
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)Not really that difficult to adjust. Wealth is more important to tax than income in any case. This way, you can also relfect the will of the people on a more immediate scale than through the drip, drip, drip methodology of income taxation.
qb
(5,924 posts)Shining Jack
(1,559 posts)And good riddance to that right wing POS.