REVEALED: Marine murderer lost his job as nuclear engineer in Ohio after TEN DAYS for failing
Source: Daily Mail
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez was hired as a nuclear engineer after graduating from college - but he was fired after just 10 days for failing a background check, it has been revealed.
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But he made several mystery trips to the Middle East, including Yemen and a seven-month tour of Jordan last year
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According to CNN, Abdulazeez Sr's charitable donations were scrutinized by the Joint Terrorism Task Force. The FBI believed the middle eastern groups he was supporting had links to terrorism but ultimately dismissed the case.
They will now re-examine the evidence in light of the terror attack although there is no suggestion Abdulazeez's father had any knowledge about his son's plot.
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However, court documents exclusively obtained by dailymail.com reveal that not all was what it seemed behind the doors of the family's comfortable two-storey suburban home.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166049/Marine-murderer-fired-FirstEnergy-Corp-nuclear-engineer-just-10-days.html#ixzz3gGOhjQnQ
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)and whether he had some evil plans for his nuclear plant job as a result. Glad he didn't pass the background check, but I wonder what the red flags were, specifically. I'm guessing his shooting up Marines was a disappointing Plan B compared with what he WANTED to do to America.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)party/drink like a champion, so maybe some of those stories came out, too... Especially if they involve rec. drugs...
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)http://www.vnews.com/news/nation/world/17810383-95/officials-probe-shooters-motive
Calling them 'mystery trips' is a bit leading; he had Jordanian citizenship, since at least one side of his family came from there. Yes, it might be worth checking how he spent his time there (Jordan has enough police checkpoints that there may be records, independent of what his relatives say), but it's possible it was just visits to relatives. It could have just been recent internet activity that encouraged him to murder.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)is a mystery. The mystery is whether the trip was strictly to visit family or as a cover to meet radicals.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)The more reliable CBC puts in this way:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/chattanooga-shootings-motive-of-gunman-still-not-clear-1.3156229
And most other sources are saying the Yemen visit was 'possible'.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)which do a disservice to a balanced well-written story.
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It has been revealed the 24-year-old gunman, who shot and killed four Marines in Chattanooga, Tennessee, spent seven months on a visit to Jordan between April and November 2014. He is also believed to have visited Yemen, while the Kuwait News Agency reported he traveled there and to Jordan at least four other times between 2003 and Spring 2010.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166049/Marine-murderer-fired-FirstEnergy-Corp-nuclear-engineer-just-10-days.html#ixzz3gH4OMLVu
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Fred Friendlier
(81 posts)Generally, at a secure facility, security clears you first and only then are you hired. Maybe they do things differently in Ohio, but I will be on the lookout for confirmation.
Plus, Daily Mail.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)doesn't surprise me in the least.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I work in the Marine Transportation industry.
Potential employees have to pass a Coast Guard background check to get a Merchant Mariner's credential document PLUS an FBI check for the TSA Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC) BEFORE you are ever hired.
Your background and history is checked for everything and anything you have ever done.
These documents have to be re-newed and you are thoroughly re-scrutinized every 5 years.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)there have been many whistleblower's from that sector who have revealed how the nuclear industry is lax about safety.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)No excuse for being lax..none.
Seems like it would be a terrorist's dream to infiltrate, wreck havoc and the unthinkable from the inside.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and oh bother we know where this is going but the noodle in SC church no thats not terrorism nevermind the church fires..
Igel
(35,275 posts)I was hired for the summer by DARCOM without a completed background check. I was put in a room for "training" and not allowed access to anything remotely classified until my little badge came in. I was also told that if the background check didn't come back okay, I'd be shown the door but would get paid for the days I'd trained.
If I hadn't been paid for that week or so, then they'd have excess money in their budget at the end of the year for that program. That meant they might not get that money re-allocated the following year. So they told me to report for work, but made sure I had something to "train" with. They gave me nothing. I sat, talked to my fellow intern, and read stuff I'd brought in.
This guy was, the report is, fired during "training."
Perhaps not an accurate report, but plausible.
Fred Friendlier
(81 posts)I remember the days of the GE Funhouse back in the mid eighties, with the booming economy they hired any engineer who could draw breath. Like you say, they collected paychecks while sitting at long tables in cavernous halls and waited for clearances and contracts and deals to be finalized. Boom and bust, very wasteful. The rubber band wars were legendary.
MADem
(135,425 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)it must be a thing.
lib87
(535 posts)Two equals enough to start profiling!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)if he hadn't gotten fired from his nuclear job. Although it is good to see that the employer did screen him out, on what basis I wonder?
TriplD
(176 posts)...and this is what radicalized him?
His father was on a watch list and subsequently removed from it. Perhaps he failed his check because his father was unjustly placed on some watch list?
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)level of credibility for the paper is pretty much lower than whale dung and that of the "GLOBE" (the one sold at supermarket check out counters)
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)until i see it reported elsewhere!
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)DU are the only sites carrying the story right now.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)they don't refer to the shooter as a terrorist which is not what you expect from RW papers.
What specific to this article is uncredible?
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)I know the owners of the Daily Mail very well, they are liberals but, insist the paper must carry on the tradition of their late father; publish a right wing rag and and go for the sensational.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)lurid in style. Clearly you did not read that which is at the link.....
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)I imagine what happened is that the DM editors didn't like what its newsroom thought was a suitable headline. The article is factual. Please cite what is lurid.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I only go to the UK 'Hate' Mail (as someone told me it was once called) because it comes up in google pic search results.
The Mail posts pictures of everything you could ever want to know or see. Like Obama's Stonehenge visit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745437/Knocked-bucket-list-Obama-makes-surprise-visit-Stonehenge-following-NATO-meeting-poses-grinning-family-walk.html
But they also post stuff you never wanted to see or know... Blech!
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)LBN. I think ABC a more reliable and less hysteria prone publication than TDM is.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)ABC is better than DM in so far as straight reporting you have drunk the coolaid. Furthermore the DM article gives a much broader look at the shooter and just how all-American he was. Where's the hysteria in this DM article?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)A trained terrorist working at a nuke plant is something to be concerned about.
Thank you for the heads-up, snagglepuss!
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)revealing horrifyingly lax attitudes about security and safety, I find it odd that DUers are sceptical that this guy was hired before a background check was completed. A quick search of DU pulled up this story about the lax security of nuc subs.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10888055
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Regarding nuclear haphazards: Remember Cheney and Company were busy helping Pakistan adapt nuclear technologies to military applications? The Teicher Affidavit details the sordid history, which many seem to have missed.
The Bomb in the Shadows: Proliferation, Corruption and the Way of the World
Chris Floyd
Empire Burlesque
Friday, February 15, 2008
This week, the Sunday Times lifted the lid on one of the most important stories of the last quarter-century: how American officials sold nuclear arms technology to illegal proliferators -- including ideological allies of al Qaeda -- in return for bribes and other inducements. This widespread corruption has been protected from exposure by the highest levels of the U.S. government, which has gone to enormous lengths to protect the truth from coming out. The entire planet has been put at grave risk by the greed -- and geopolitical gamesmanship -- that lies behind this criminal enterprise, which actually is even more extensive, and goes back further in time, than the newspaper's remarkable revelations.
The Sunday Times story is based on the evidence provided by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who has been subjected to an unprecedented campaign of state-enforced muzzling by the Bush Administration since she first tried to speak out about the corrupt connections between American officials and foreign agents she discovered when reviewing transcripts associated with the 9/11 investigation. As even the leaders of the whitewashing 9/11 Commission themselves now admit, that investigation was deliberately sabotaged by the Bush Administration in part to cover up the nuclear proliferation network that has directly or indirectly enriched so many in the American elite over the past decades including the sitting president of the United States, George W. Bush.
I.
Edmonds' revelations should be seen in their larger historical context, as an outgrowth of the activities of BCCI, the "Bank of Credit and Commercial International," a supposed financial group that a U.S. Senate investigation called "one of the largest criminal enterprises in history." BCCI was a prime vehicle for clandestine nuclear proliferation, among many other illegal activities, and was also used by the CIA and the White House for various covert operations, including secret military and financial support for Saddam Hussein. It also paid numerous grandees of the Democratic and Republican parties to front its operations and gave George W. Bush $25 million to rescue one of his many business failures.
Although BCCI as a "bank" eventually failed, spectacularly, costing its unsuspecting customers more than $10 billion, almost no one was punished for its myriad crimes, and the full extent of the organization's activities continue to be shielded by the many national governments that became entangled in its operations, including the United States and Great Britain, where the Labour government has made extraordinary interventions in court cases to protect BCCI's secrets, invoking the most draconian state secret laws to quash a lawsuit against the Bank of England for the blind but knowing eye that the regulator turned toward BCCI's deadly fraud.
Before exploring these deeper connections further, let's review the tip of the iceberg that Edmonds has courageously exposed, despite the very real threat of retaliation from the U.S. government. From the Times:
"Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions. Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan.
"The name of the official who has held a series of top government posts is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims. However, Edmonds said: 'He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.'
"She claims that the FBI was also gathering evidence against senior Pentagon officials including household names who were aiding foreign agents. 'If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,' she said."
CONTINUED...
http://empireburlesquenow.blogspot.com/2008/02/bomb-in-shadows-proliferation.html
Regarding the 'ol Olde. Yeah. Things have changed. Many of the best also have gone on, sorry to write, their places filled by volume over quality, unfortunately.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)that no Muslim could be hired anywhere let alone the nuclear sector without a thorough background check. Here is an example where those hiring haven't seen Islam as being a red flag.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)...remember how the Flight Instructors in Minnesota -- worried about the student interested in turning the 747, not getting it airborne or landing it -- couldn't get the FBI to pick up the phone? FBI Washington even ignored their own Special Agent on the scene, Coleen Rowley, until after 9-11.
The thing is, I live in metro Detroit, where I know hundreds of good Arab-Americans through my work. BTW, most of them are Christian, although I am friends with many Muslims from the local community, too. They have lived lives very fearful of reprisals for 14 years now.
PS: I am glad they got the guy in Ohio out of the nuke plant. I am, of course, very sorry at what he is said to have done in Tennessee. Every human life is infinitely precious. People who don't know that are ignorant. Some who do, but don't care, are insane
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 18, 2015, 04:56 PM - Edit history (1)
Before exploring these deeper connections further, let's review the tip of the iceberg that Edmonds has courageously exposed, despite the very real threat of retaliation from the U.S. government. From the Times:
"Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions. Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan.
"The name of the official who has held a series of top government posts is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims. However, Edmonds said: 'He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.'
"She claims that the FBI was also gathering evidence against senior Pentagon officials including household names who were aiding foreign agents. 'If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,' she said."
Edmonds goes on to provide details of the operation, which "appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States," under the protection of Pentagon and State Department officials. Turkish and Israeli cut-outs were used to get nuclear info to the ultimate recipient, Pakistan's intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and Abdul Qadeer Khan, "father" of Pakistan's nuclear bomb. As the Times notes:
"The Pakistani operation was led by General Mahmoud Ahmad, then the ISI chief Intelligence analysts say that members of the ISI were close to Al-Qaeda before and after 9/11. Indeed, Ahmad was accused of sanctioning a $100,000 wire payment to Mohammed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, immediately before the attacks.
"The results of the espionage were almost certainly passed to Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani nuclear scientist. Khan was close to Ahmad and the ISI. While running Pakistan's nuclear programme, he became a millionaire by selling atomic secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea. He also used a network of companies in America and Britain to obtain components for a nuclear programme. Khan caused an alert among western intelligence agencies when his aides met Osama Bin Laden."
While the Times declined to name the top State Department official cited by Edmonds, elsewhere she has said it was Mark Grossman, "former #3 at the State Department, former ambassador to Turkey, and current Vice President at The Cohen Group, the lobbying company run by former Secretary of Defense William Cohen," notes the blogger Lukery, who has long done sterling service in publicizing Edmonds' plight and her revelations which, as Lukery notes, are not confined to the nuclear proliferation angle featured in the Sunday Times.
Lukery goes on to note that the other "household names" mentioned by Edmonds include "Richard Perle and Douglas Feith and possibly Paul Wolfowitz. Less familiar names include Eric Edelman, Feith's replacement at the Pentagon, and former Congressman Stephen Solarz."
Lukery also zeroes in on this telling revelation:
"The Times article then notes something that I reported 18 months ago. Immediately after 911, the FBI arrested a bunch of people suspected of being involved with the attacks -- including four associates of key targets of FBI's counterintelligence operations. Sibel heard the targets tell Marc Grossman: 'We need to get them out of the US because we can't afford for them to spill the beans.' Grossman duly facilitated their release from jail and the suspects immediately left the country without further investigation or interrogation.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,476 posts)The DoE processes somewhat mirror DoD but not exactly. My confidential clearance went to interim in a short time but secret took over 6 months, top secret even longer. While you may be hired pending your being cleared in the investigation, your on the job access is limited accordingly. He would not have been allowed in the same room with plutonium or be permitted anywhere that he could do something that could create a risk.
Investigations for clearances require interviews and footwork far beyond what is done in a simple check for regular employment. At least they used to. Since the Pollard case even the CIA shares what it knows. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard)
doc03
(35,299 posts)check.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Not the background check itself.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)They should at least make sure background check is clear before allowing people to work there.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chattanooga-shooting-probe-no-isis-ties-muhammad-youssef-abdulazeez/
He had a history of substance abuse. His family had tried to have him admitted into an in treatment facility for drug and alcohol abuse several years ago, but the insurance wouldn't cover it.
For those freaking out on this, he never made it past his training stage when he was fired for failing his pee test.
Come on people, this is the freaking Daily Mail.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Since when are they credible on anything?
Sensationalistic at the very least.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)The media needs to pick their battles.