Sanders Surges, Clinton Sags in U.S. Favorability

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: Gallup

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' favorable rating among Americans has doubled since Gallup's initial reading in March, rising to 24% from 12% as he has become better known. Hillary Clinton's rating has slipped to 43% from 48% in April. At the same time, Clinton's unfavorable rating increased to 46%, tilting her image negative and producing her worst net favorable score since December 2007.

Sanders' increased favorability reflects the broader increase in the public's familiarity with him since March. Overall, 44% of Americans are able to rate him today, up from 24% in March. Not only has the percentage viewing him favorably increased, but also the percentage viewing him unfavorably has risen, up eight percentage points to 20%.



Read more: http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

[HFRN]

1. feel the BERN!!!! nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. "the percentage viewing him unfavorably has risen, up eight percentage points to 20%. "

Yeah....not really "feeling the BERN".

[padfun]

23. They're called right wingers

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Nope. It's actually the "right wingers" where BS draws his greatest support.

Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative

Not only is she +35 overall, she's +38 with very liberal and +39 with liberal.

[zentrum]

44. I know you are just

…using his initials and mean BS, um, innocently, but it sure reads as the rankest of slurs. There is nothing BS about Bernie.

You might consider using his nickname in the future if you don't want to increase all the negative perceptions of Hillary. Just a suggestion.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Thanks for the advice, but are you sure we really want to discuss "perceptions"? n/t

[appalachiablue]

57. Yes, it's a healthy change from 'optics'

[zentrum]

60. Clearly a misplaced attempt on my part

…to move things to a higher plane.

But by all means have it your way and support your candidate in the way you think represents her best.

[kenfrequed]

84. Thanks for keeping it classy.

Seriously, at least you could make your disparaging comments at least tangentially related to the candidates record. My critique of Hillary is based entirely on policy and policy expectations.

But yeah, Go Team You!

[LanternWaste]

144. Accuracy often fails when laziness is a convenient substitute.

Accuracy often fails when laziness is a convenient substitute. Not that you're lazy by any means-- no doubt, the additional twelve keystrokes required as simply too difficult for many people.

[Beauregard]

54. Could you give a link to that poll?

Just curious.

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. Page 67.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

[spqr78]

70. confusion?

Since people think that a globalizing, privatizing, fossil fuel addicted, proponent of the military and prison industrial complex who has taken bribes from wall street and Canadian oil companies and served on Wal-Marts board of directors is a democrat.

While at the same time they think a man with a 98% percent rating from the NAACP is a racist while the man who is responsible for more harm to the African-American community than any other president in the twentieth century is the most popular politician among African-Americans.

It's possible that the people who answered their landlines and said, "sure I'll take a survey!", might not know what party they support or what liberal or conservative means.

[druidity33]

79. Isn't that better for the General though?

We know the Dem candidate will get the liberal/very liberal vote. What we want is to pull Indy and fed-up conservatives to our side... i think Bernie can do that, whereas Clinton can't. How many registered Independents are there in this country? Remember that Bernie has had that (I) after his name for awhile.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. I want BS to keep his "I", and leave the Democratic Party alone. n/t

[druidity33]

105. Huh, alright then. nt.

[LiberalLovinLug]

91. So....wouldn't having conservative support make him more electable in the general election?

If by chance Bernie is the nominee, that poll bodes well for the Democratic nominee don'tchathink?

Real conservatives see the economic disaster of treating Wall Street execs like untouchable Kings. They hate all the money being wasted in Washington on big name campaigns. They have had it up to here with candidates that SAY they are conservatives, and then when in power lavish their wealthy friends with tax breaks, and appoint the foxes to run the hen-house to perpetuate the cycle which is draining the economy.

[Tarheel_Dem]

103. May I say how hypocritical I find your comments? This board has spent tons of bandwidth....

foaming at the mouth about the "Turd Way". And if these numbers were flipped in HRC's favor, you'd be freaking out. As a real Democrat, I'm not prepared to sacrifice all the social gains made by the Democratic Party so that BS can attract even more hardcore "rightwingers". It's become increasingly apparent that many of you who support BS are more than willing to make that sacrifice. As an AA, my community can ill afford to go there, we just don't have the luxury of that privilege.

[LiberalLovinLug]

150. Hypocritical?

I wouldn't be "freaking out" if the numbers were switched. It would mean Bernie would be ahead

How in the world do you figure that you or I would be sacrificing any social gains if Bernie was elected over Hillary? Those who vote do not set policies. (As has been clearly demonstrated under Obama's reign)

And wouldn't it be healthier for the democracy of the US if a President had a little more consensus from different spectrums? This is something Obama touched on in his overseas interview. About how on a community level people get along, but on a national scale the country is so extremely divided. It would be ironic that it may be the next President AFTER Obama that comes closer to what Obama has been pining for since his "There are no Red States, or Blue States, but the United States" speech back in '04. Obama thought that he would reach out to the old boys club in the privileged right wing Washington crowd. Reaching out to the grass-roots moderate conservatives seems like the better way to go IMO.

We must try and find common ground and/or leapfrog the right wing media to simply get the message out in laymans terms, as Bernie is good at doing, in order to find some common direction. And if being tougher on Wall Street is one thing both Democrats and enough moderate Republican voters can agree on...isn't that a good thing?

[Tarheel_Dem]

151. We aren't talking about "moderate Republicans", but then you knew that. Nice try.

I wish you guys would take BS, gather up all his libertarian & "conservative" friends and run on the Republican ticket. I knew exactly what was going on when I saw the "crowds" at the much vaunted rallies. They're not there to hear about the issues that affect all of us. In fact, before the financial crisis, I'm guessing they didn't care one way or the other.

Finding "common ground" or "compromise" has been a dirty word for the past seven years, but it doesn't surprise me at all that it's okay when it comes to BS.

[LiberalLovinLug]

152. Nice attempt at a smear

The one candidate that WILL NOT compromise with the right wing machine is Bernie.

I want Bernie precisely because he is NOT a corporate shill like HIllary and the GOP pack.

But you cannot see the difference in PANDERING to the right wing and FINDING COMMON GROUND with one or two issues, so its useless to discuss it.

For instance, I agreed whole heartedly with Ron Paul last election primaries with his stances on no wars of aggression and ending the war on drugs. There is nothing inherently wrong with agreeing with one or two positions of one of the maverick candidates from the 'other side'. Of course I object strongly with Pauls other positions on abolishing SS and all government programs and would hate to see him as President. BUT that does not negate that IF he had won those primaries, I'm sure he would have siphoned off a lot of liberal voters who only cared about those two issues. There is nothing right or wrong about that. That's political reality.

If socially liberal, but fiscally conservative Republican voters help Bernie get elected, I'm not going to cry about it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

153. "I'm not going to cry about it." Yup, that's exactly what I thought.

[LiberalLovinLug]

154. Implying....one should?

So where do I send the tissues if Bernie wins?

So Hillary can scoop all the Goldman Sachs crowd's votes, and the wealthy conservatives of that ilk, but goddamn Bernie for enticing some less well off regular traditional conservatives that are sick of the corruption of too-big-to-fail Wall Street? Gotcha

[Tarheel_Dem]

155. Personally, I don't give a shit who these "conservatives" are. The past 7 years have been spent....

condemning even the appearance of "compromising" with them. "Gotcha".

[arcane1]

26. "At the same time, Clinton's unfavorable rating increased to 46%" n/t

[HooptieWagon]

93. This ^ can't be said enough

Clintons support is a mile wide and an inch deep. As voters learn of alternatives, her support will evaporate.

[former9thward]

95. Which is what happened in 2008.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment?

eom

[grahamhgreen]

75. And he welcomes their hatred:)

[George II]

2. FAVORABILITY rating "surges" from 12 to 24%? That means that 76% still don't look at him...

...favorably or really don't care about him.

This stuff is really getting crazy - the first primary is more than 6 months from now, the Convention is about a year from now, the election is 16+ months from now.

[PoliticAverse]

4. Actually 56% of adults was "No opinion/Not heard of". n/t

[George II]

5. Not going to win many primaries if no one has heard of him.

[PoliticAverse]

7. Presumably the debates will help with that. n/t

[redstateblues]

81. Only political junkies watch the primary debates

[cali]

157. but they are widely covered by the msm

[hack89]

123. Nobody watches the debates

If the race was really close they might have an impact. But it is not.

[virtualobserver]

8. That is why Hillary's friends at the DNC are slow-walking the debates.....

It is nice to have friends.

[George II]

9. They're not "slow walking" the debates - when is the first primary?

Maybe they're being sensible by waiting until a time much closer to when the primaries begin? Chances are all but the most zealous will forget about what's discussed months before they actually have to go to the polls.

[virtualobserver]

11. first you say "he's not going to win many primaries if no one has heard of him."

then you say "maybe they're being sensible by waiting until a time much closer"'


Sensible for Hillary's purposes, since she would prefer that no one has heard of him.

[George II]

14. Exactly...

He's not going to win many primaries if no one has heard of him.

It's HIS job to get name recognition, not the job of anyone else.

[Tommymac]

20. No its the job of his Grassroots volunteers like me to promote him.

And I am on it. Along with tens of thousands of others on July 29th.

Bernie 2016 - Growing Our Political Revolution - Are you willing to host or attend an organizing meeting on July 29th?




(Fitting post for my 1500th! After 11+ years - yay!)

[JDPriestly]

49. The first nationwide organizational meetings for Bernie's volunteers is July 29.

Hillary has been running and in the national spotlight not continuously but pretty steadily since 1992.

Bernie has been in the national spotlight only this year.

It is quite amazing that Bernie has come this far this fast.

A lot of Democrats have been fed the line that "Hey, our candidate in 2016 is Hillary and if you are a Democrat you WILL support her." But I am finding that a lot of very active Democrats, party faithful including myself have already switched to Bernie. That's anecdotal, and that's liberal California. But Hillary does need to look in rearview mirror.

She needs to think carefully about her affection for "free" trade, Glass-Stegall, the revolving door and the sincerity of her talk about Citizens United. Because those are big trouble spots for her.

She has raised a lot of money from the very banks and Wall Street interests that seek to buy influence in D.C. and to deprive the rest of us of a voice that represents our interests. That will increasingly pose problems for her. The polls right now are good for her only in that people who have declared themselves for her will have to do some inner work and rethinking to change their minds. But I firmly believe that will happen.

It's just a matter of how we volunteers for Bernir work and of time.

[virtualobserver]

51. and it is the job of Hillary's friends at the DNC to push the debates as far back as possible n/t

[George II]

146. Nope. But it's interesting that people are pushing to rush the debates....

.....(first primary is more than six months away) but Sanders hasn't even had his first national organizational meeting yet?

[virtualobserver]

148. Hillary has nowhere to go but down

I don't blame the HNC.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. As you said, the first primary is more than 6 months from now

He nearly doubled the amount of people expressing an opinion. A bigger increase in the positives than negatives looks OK for him, too.

[Comrade Grumpy]

15. If I may quote you from upthread:

"the first primary is more than 6 months from now, the Convention is about a year from now, the election is 16+ months from now."

[arcane1]

27. They will. Tell Webb and O'Malley about name recognition. They need it more n/t

[LanternWaste]

145. Hence, the practice of campaigning for many politicians

Hence, the practice of campaigning for many politicians-- Sanders included.

[kenfrequed]

86. Nice...

Nice how you put the "76% don't look at him..." as the lede to your precious little post.

The fact his his name recognition isn't as high as Hillary's, but it is also a fact that his favorability ratings continue to rise. But yeah, definitely keep being you.

[George II]

94. When you start at almost zero its not difficult to go up.

[London Lover Man]

106. When you have 11% no opinion/never heard of

and the unfavorability is at 46%, there is no upside, only downside, and lots of it.

[George II]

108. People don't vote "favorable" or "unfavorable", they vote. And being ahead by 40% in most polls....

...and most states isn't a bad place to be.

[bvar22]

97. This far out from the elections,

the poll numbers don't mean much.
It is the TREND that matters,
and the TREND is clear:
Bernie is surging.
Hillary is falling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

113. She's falling apart I tell you

[appalachiablue]

117. +1

[PassingFair]

3. Bring on the DEBATES!

The sooner the better!

[OKNancy]

6. That poll includes Republicans

Clinton Enjoys Broad Democratic Appeal

Clinton's favorable rating has slipped slightly among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents since April, falling to 74% from 79%. This partly accounts for her overall decline in favorability among the public. The other factor is a drop among non-leaning independents, from 44% to 36%, while her image among Republicans and Republican leaners is essentially unchanged at 14%.

Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, Clinton is currently viewed more favorably by older than younger adults, by nonwhites than whites and by liberals than moderates or conservatives. However, she retains solid majority favorable scores from all of these groups. And she enjoys equally high ratings from men and women as well as in each of the four major regions of the country.

Sanders' Democratic favorable scores significantly trail Clinton's in all subgroup categories, but he comes the closest to her among whites, men, young adults and liberals. The gap between the two candidates is also closer in the East, where Sanders lives, than in the rest of the country. But he does especially poorly among nonwhites and conservative Democrats, trailing Clinton by more than 50 points in each group.

[George II]

10. THANK YOU for a refreshingly objective view of the polls results.

[artislife]

73. lol

[London Lover Man]

107. Except for two problems

She already hit her ceiling.
She is already has high unfavorability.

[George II]

109. Against Sanders, her closest competitor, she's averaging mid 50s vs. mid teens - that's a 3-fold...

advantage. Sanders hasn't budged much at all in weeks. He's hit his ceiling, too.

[London Lover Man]

110. Uhhh, no he hasn't.. when 56% hasn't heard of him and has no opinion

then he continues to rise up... and you forget the 29th... an explosion will occur.... and still going to light a fire underneath the DNC's rear end to schedule the debates now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. The Bottom line from the poll linked in the seminal post

Bottom Line

Clinton's national image has taken a slight turn for the worse, which is also evident in her image among Democrats. But she remains the only Democratic candidate for president with a national name, and Clinton continues to stand head and shoulders above her next closest competitor -- Sanders -- in popularity for the presidential nomination.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

[Historic NY]

25. TY ....people are entitled to their opinion but not to their own facts.

[HooptieWagon]

100. Which makes it applicable to the GE.

The poll says Hillary will lose the GE. More voters view Sanders favorably than unfavorably (which includes Republicans), but many voters still don't know him. He looks like a better candidate in the General Election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. The poll suggests no such thing unless you believe Ben Carson will be the next president

If you assume Senator Sanders and Ben Carson's favorability increases linearly which is absurd then Ben Carson will end up with a 67% favorability rating and Bernie Sanders will end up with a 55% favorability rating.

[HooptieWagon]

119. You think Donald Trump will be?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

120. No, because his numbers are really upside down.

[HooptieWagon]

121. And Clintons are increasingly so.

And she doesn't have a large "unknown/no opinion" to draw from as she is well known. Her support is a mile wide and an inch deep. She has name recognition, but when a viable alternative emerges her support evaporates. Same as '08.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

122. Yet she is still beating Sanders 56-19 and Bush 51-46 in the freshest poll available

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/26/politics/cnn-poll-presidential-race/index.html

[HooptieWagon]

124. It was 85-7 two months ago.

Sanders is still gaining, as people learn about him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. If support is linear the senator will win the nomination by universal acclamation by February...

If support is linear the senator will win the nomination by universal acclamation by February but alas it isn't.


BTW I am an inveterate poll watcher . I never saw Hillary polling at 85%, that's Third World dictator polling results so maybe you can point me to to them.

Thank you in advance.

[pnwmom]

13. Another way to look at the same numbers: Bernie's unfavorables are higher than everyone else's

except Hillary's. Why? Because more people are familiar with him than with any of the other candidates, except for Hillary.

And familiarity is also why her unfavorables are highest. Almost everyone knows her, and has an opinion about her. And since this is a national poll of people of every party, her unfavorables are a good reflection of how many people don't like Democrats in general -- a number somewhere in the upper 40's.

[Sunlei]

33. Senador Sanders has not had one attack by the republicans media monster..yet.

Other then the couple people who shouted 'all lives matter' in the audience when the "Black Lives Matter" people protested.

The RW will tear him to pieces if it looks like they need to.

[JDPriestly]

50. What will they say about Sanders that he hasn't already responded to very well?

That he is grouchy? We love him for that, and the rest of America will too.

Besides he isn't so much grouchy as he is angry at injustice. And most of America is angry at injustice too. So we are all on the same page as Bernie on that one.

What else can they go after him for?

That he wants higher pay for working people?

That he supports unions and does not support the trade agreements?

It's really hard to go after Bernie. He is beyond the age when people have affairs or children out of wedlock or post nude pictures of themselves on the internet. He is a family man with four great kids and a bunch of grandkids.

He didn't sow nearly the wild oats as a kid that the Bushes and Clintons did. He was always interested in civil rights. He was raised in a relatively poor family. There is just nothing to attack other than his stances on issues. And there, most of the American people agree with him.

The Republicans and right-wing will kick themselves if they try to kick Bernie. There kicks will backfire.

[pnwmom]

55. They've already said it. They called him a "National Socialist."

Yup, some of them are smearing him as a Nazi, since it wasn't enough just to call him a Socialist, apparently.

[JDPriestly]

56. The American people will judge that. I don't think that name-calling will fly with much of

anybody. Free college education, better pre-school education, family leave -- not what Americans think of as NAZI schemes.

They'll have to get something more unpopular and crushing than that. And they can't because it doesn't exist.

[Sunlei]

58. I know but what you mentioned are all things the current admin has started or with the

pre school early education,federal funding..that program is in progress now and many states are funded. Those aren't new ideas they are D ideas and like I said, not new to Sen. Sanders. But good to know he will continue.

[JDPriestly]

77. The programs need to be broadened and widened so that there is enough money to fund this

for every child whose parents desire it.

[rhett o rick]

63. Didn't one of Clinton's hench-women call him something similar? McCatskill, I think. nm

[appalachiablue]

118. IL Duce. Bernito Sandersini! Such similarities esp. the posturing! Nacional Sozialism, right.

Claire McCaskill was poorly prepared, stated the canned talking points- Bernie 'is a socialist' w/o knowing the why. Mark Halpern and another pundit on Morning Joke (MSNBC) laid into her laughing when she could only name 1 thing that made Bernie a 'socialist'- with a lot of effort she came up with the ACA- after they asked for 3. It was painful to watch.

IL Duce



! Bernito Sandersini ?

[still_one]

17. Gallop did quite well in 2012. Just ask president romney

[SoapBox]

18. Note to self...

New talking point...Bernie Sanders is unfavorable in polls.

By who? Banksters, Billionaires and War Hawks?



I'll be sure to remember that one!

[George II]

24. And a whole lot of other people.

[cosmicone]

19. "Bernie's head is now a bit above water as Clinton's Ferrari has slowed down a bit"

would have been a better headline.

[Divernan]

48. "Clinton'sFerrari"-Luxury Foreign auto made 4 millionaires-Freudian slip there, Skippy!

You might want to think again about whether you wish to associate your candidate with Ferraris. Although I'm sure that choice meets with the approval of corporate titans, lords of Wall Street and garden variety One Percenters - there are not too many of those Masters of the Universe posting on DU. Plus the Ferrari is so environmentally unacceptable with it's city miles per gallon of 12/13 mpg.

Ferrari S.p.A. is an Italian luxury sports car manufacturer based in Maranello, Northern Italy. Founded by Enzo Ferrari in 1929, as Scuderia Ferrari, the company sponsored drivers and manufactured race cars before moving into production of street-legal vehicles in 1947. Ferrari is the world's most powerful brand according to Brand Finance.[5] In May 2012 the 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO became the most expensive car in history, selling in a private transaction for $38,115,000 to American communications magnate Craig McCaw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari

Which model is Clinton driving in your "Clinton's Ferrari has slowed down a bit" imagery. would that be? The $1.5 million (after adding tax, but without shipping and handling) "LaFerrari"?

Ferrari LaFerrari
2015
Performance & Efficiency:
- Engine: 6.3L V12 DOHC and variable valve timing
- Electric / premium unleaded fuel

MSRP: $1,416,362
Base Engine: 6.3L V12 949HP
Fuel MPG: 12 city / 16 hwy
Bodystyle: Coupe
FREE Dealer Price Check

Or perhaps the more modest, quarter Million Ferrari 458 Spider
Performance & Efficiency:
- Engine: 4.5L V 8 DOHC and variable valve timing
- Premium unleaded fuel

MSRP: $257,412
Base Engine: 4.5L V8 562HP
Fuel MPG: 13 city / 17 hwy
Bodystyle: Convertible
FREE Dealer Price Check


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/01/ferrari/#ixzz3gr5HfHfu

[cosmicone]

62. Have you heard of such a thing as a M E T A P H O R

or an A N A L O G Y?

Google is your friend!!

[Divernan]

65. There's good ones and terribly inappropriate ones.

What better symbolizes the transfer of wealth, and Detroit's loss of an industry than picturing a candidate in an Italian built Ferrari?
I'm glad that you're sticking with it. It's like the Galaxy Quest motto: Never give up! Never surrender! As far as I'm concerned, the more people who read your analogy and my reply, the better.

I don't recall ever actually seeing a Ferrari, let alone riding in or driving one. Way above my pay grade. But then you know, I support a candidate who flies coach and carries his own bag.

[cosmicone]

66. I own a Ferrari so I thought of it

It has no bigger meaning like "Detroit" and "Wealth" as far as HRC goes.

Are you pissed that the Clintons have money? Is that why you're against them? Were you against John Kerry - because he has way more money than the Clintons could even dream of .

[Divernan]

78. Bill Clinton's net worth in 2013 was $80 million; John Kerry's was $125 million

Since we all know the Clintons left the White House "dead broke" according to HRC's own words, we see that Bill went from zero to $80 million in just 12 years. At that rate, he'll catch up to John Kerry by 2020.

About Bill Clinton
The 42nd President of the United States from 1993 to 2001, with an estimated net worth of $80 million.Bill Clinton give speeches around the world, often for over $100,000 a speech.
Earnings 2013 $80 Million
Clinton roughly earned $106 million from his speaking engagements from 2001 to 2013

http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/politician/president/bill-clinton-net-worth/

You may own a Ferrari, you lucky One Percenter, you! But I live within a mile of the Heinz Family Estate in Fox Chapel, PA, so have long been familiar with that family - and a wonderful and generously philanthropic family it has always been and remains to this day. Upon John Heinz's tragic death, the Heinz fortune went into trust funds for his wife and their three sons - John, Chris and Andre.

Teresa Heinz Kerry's personal fortune is reportedly worth as much as $1.2 billion, stemming from her earlier marriage to former Pennsylvania Sen. John Heinz III, who died in 1991 in a helicopter crash. Much of John Kerry's own wealth comes from his own family trusts. Worth as much as $125 million according to his disclosures, Kerry had been the wealthiest U.S. senator until he joined the Obama administration last month.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/heinz-buyout-john-kerrys-portfolio-could-grow-with-mega-deal-87671.html#ixzz3gtqalwCK

So that is why I have nothing against John Kerry in regard to his wealth. He inherited it - he did not raise it at a rate of 6.5 million a year by trading in on his past political office or his wife's anticipated future political office. Whatever happened to the honorable concept of "public service"? You know, where people worked hard at their professions and accumulated enough wealth to then devote their knowledge & experience to their country by holding public office.

[cosmicone]

88. What difference does it make if someone earned it or inherited it?

Mark Zuckerberg went from 0 to 11.6 billion in 6 years.

Bill Gates went from 0 to 35 billion in 9.7 years.

If Bill Clinton had joined a private law practice in arbirtage/M&As, he could have made far more money than he made in speaking engagements. At least Bill has started a foundation to help the world's poor hungry and sick.

Let's face it, you ARE jealous of the Clintons .. if not have contempt for them just because they happen to have what you don't have and want to see them cut down to feel better inside.

[cali]

158. please. mark zuckerberg came from an upper middle class family

He grew up in wealthy Westchester county. He attended Andover not on a scholarship. Went to Harvard. Gates was the son of a wealthy prominent lawyer, grandson of a wealthy banker and attended an elite private school throughout his elementary and high school years. That is not starting from nothing.

I find the Clintons avid quest for wealth distasteful. I admire his having come from nothing, but greed is not a quality I admire. No, I'm not jealous. I too come from money.

[NYC Liberal]

21. Liberals — and Democrats overall — like Clinton far more than they do Sanders.

Overall, 82 percent of Democrats have a favorable view of Clinton, while 15 percent are unfavorable (a scant 3 percent have no opinion). Sanders's favorable rating is 36 percent among Democrats, with even more offering no opinion of him. Nearly a quarter -- 23 percent -- give Sanders negative marks. That's notable because, despite being less well-known than Clinton, his negatives are eight percentage points higher than Clinton.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/16/bernie-sanderss-limited-appeal-even-to-democrats/

I value the opinions of liberal Democrats much more highly than I do those of Republicans.

[Bohemianwriter]

45. Well...If liberals want Wall Street to still dictate policies...

then Hillary is for you.

If liberals wants a candidate who are consistent and principled then Bernie is for you.

It's a simple choice really. Do you want a rematch between two of the most corrupt dynasties and more of the same, or do you want someone who are actually on the side of the American people and not corporations?

If you want corporations and her hollow words to win, then vote Hillary. You want honesty in the WH for a change, you vote for the one with the actual liberal values.

Hillary is a bluedog and republican from the 90s.

Do you want CHANGE, or do you want more of the same because you love political royalties?

[NYC Liberal]

59. Hillary is a liberal Democrat who has been fighting for progressive causes for decades.

The difference between Sanders and Clinton is that Clinton has actually accomplished a few things.

I choose the candidate who is both a liberal and can actually get things done. Sanders may support all the right things, but he has hardly proven his ability to do anything but talk about them.

If you want a candidate who talks a big game, but has very little — if nothing at all — to back up the talk, go with Sanders.

If you prefer a liberal Democrat who can continue the progress made over the last eight years, and who has more experience fighting the right than any Democrat around today, go with Hillary.

To each their own. Hillary is my candidate.

[spqr78]

71. please name something liberal Hillary Clinton has accomplished?

[candelista]

83. The silence is deafening!

[spqr78]

99. always is.

[INdemo]

89. Thats nice but Hillary is not a liberal. It seems odd

that she even casts herself as a progressive.

So if a political candidate classifies themselves as "Center" then all of a sudden finds it more popular to shift to the left or become progressive or somewhat "liberal" how does one label that? Answer: Phony

Hillary Clinton is owed by the likes of Goldman Sachs,Wall St.and the Corporate Mafia.
Hillary will get out there and give those scripted, teleprompter "liberal" speeches and try and fool the progressive crowd
but Hillary Clinton will only go as far with her "liberal' rhetoric as her corporate mafia friends will allow.
Now she may fool some voters into thinking she is a progressive liberal (obviously it worked with you) but for the true progressives we know she is the same 'ol Hillary Republican lite Wall St. puppet.

And oh yes Please exactly what/ which liberal causes has she fought for.

Also tell us which issues Bernie Sanders talks about that he is unable to back up with his historical actions or facts?

[juajen]

130. Mine too. I have carpel tunnel in both hands, so, no typing.

Thanks Hill supporters for carrying my water. You go, girl!

[shenmue]

147. Me too

[Bohemianwriter]

156. Sure she is...

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/07/1409515/-Setting-the-Record-Straight-Hillary-Clinton-s-Campaign-Donors


And she is being battered by the chump and his minions on FOX with bullshit accusations. She will get real heat with real criticism here.

If you want Hillary, The same political dynasties, you will never get change.

If you want REAL progressives, you don't go for the first name recognition, or the establishment while electing blue dog democrats to Office or just give up altogether, practically handing over the dominion to corporatism.

Her husband continued the war on drugs. She is still in favor of said war on drugs.
She doesn't say anything about TPP, doesn't give straight answers, and comes through as anything but credible.
She voted for Patriot Act.
She voted for the war in Iraq.

She has taken money from the republican front runner, and he treated her almost like an employee.

If those things embodies your values, your ideals. Then by all means. I think her camp is shrinking.

Where I'm from, the thought of the same family names in the same party leadership for decades repulses me.

[AzDar]

22. Bernie!!

[restorefreedom]

30. which is why debbie will put them off

as long as possible. the tentative schedule has an asterisk saying it is tentative. they can't even commit to the first one

[Sunlei]

31. a couple more billion dollars on republican attacks and they may drive mrs clinton into single digit

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. Remind me; how many New Yorkers attended Hillary's campaign kickoff???

IIRC, Bernie matched Hillary for attendance
at their respective campaign kickoffs?

While Bernie held his in the modest, yet vibrant,
city of Burlington VT, Hillary held her's in a
megalopolis of 8 million people!?!

Hillary's draw was estimated at 5,500,
according to her campaign.

Bernie drew in about 4000

Since then Bernie has drawn in
up to 10,000 in at least two appearances.

Whereas, Hillary timidly maintains small
"intimate" gatherings with hand picked
questions from hand picked attendees


Want to know Bernie's "favorability" ratings?

[SoapBox]

35. Well ya know...

When she's roped off, it limits access!

[Cosmic Kitten]

37. Cool, don't need her accessing us average working shlubs.

We wouldn't know how to rub elbows
with those hoity-toity folks anyhows

[Sunlei]

43. That's right, we should be able to body surf Mrs Clinton through the crowds!!

[Sunlei]

36. Senator Sanders is a great Senator, I love his style. I just hope his entire past is squeekie clean,

because the RW will rake up every single slight error/mistake/hospital visit/missed email out of 900,000 emails and build it up to a mountain of horror.

[Cosmic Kitten]

41. Is there any more earnest Congress member than Bernie?

NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE is "squeaky clean"

Bill Clinton is a sexual predator and adulterer
and some people want to see him back at 1600

Even Mother Theresa had a dark side

[Divernan]

53. Well, there was no valet parking for one's Ferrari!

See posts 19 & 48 above above re "Clinton's Ferrari".

[SoapBox]

34. Uh huh...

Clinton unfavorable...46%

Sanders unfavorable...20%

Keep spinning that mantra of how bad his unfavorable number is!

[Sunlei]

39. lol, theres that almost 47% of republicans who show up in every poll. romneys magic number always

popping up

[dirtydickcheney]

38. The "More-You-See-Her-Less-You-Like-Her" candidate.

Would be the best way to describe the Candidate Hillary Clinton.

And I'm hardly the only person to mention that.
She's awkward and has apparently been inside the bubble so long she doesn't have a political compass that has a True North on it.

On the truly enormous life-and-death issues (money, environment, defense, war) she's more of a right-winger.

She should have run as a Republican.

[Sunlei]

42. Isn't it, the more YOU see the headlines on your cell phone, the more YOU don't like her?

I like Mrs, Clinton a lot, I think she was an awesome SOS and every one of her past 6 months of bunches of interviews were right on the mark.

[spqr78]

72. she was a great Secretary of state?

Why? Honduras? Guatemala? The Arab spring? Iraq?

Aside from greasing the wheels of the global kleptocracy, what did she do?

Oh, wait, I know, it was her invaluable work on the TPP.

[Sunlei]

74. She did her job well, President Obama made an excellent appointment. Kerry is awesome too.

The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States. from WHdotgov

[spqr78]

76. OMG!!!!

"74. She did her job well, President Obama made an excellent appointment. Kerry is awesome too.
The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States. from WHdotgov"

My first Clinton-bot reply! I'm so happy I can't even describe it!

This is the future!

[AtomicKitten]

40. Voters have "key questions about her honesty and leadership."

“She has lost ground in the horse race and on key questions about her honesty and leadership,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

[shenmue]

46. In other words, Clinton's still in the lead.

[Cal33]

52. For how much longer, do you think?

[brooklynite]

69. Well, let's see...a year ago she was at 58% in the polls and today she's at.....57%

So, I'm guessing 25 years?

[Cal33]

82. Well, from your way of calculating, Bernie jumped from 12% to 24% in 3 months. There are

15+ months left till Election Day. Bernie should double to 48% in 3 months, and double
again to 96% in 6 months. ZOWIEEEEEEE!!!

[brooklynite]

85. Sadly, the data doesn't support that...

Looks like Bernie has flattened out at about 20%

[Cal33]

90. I couldn't find the post in which I read the statistics quoted in my previous post, but here's

Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

another link -- a poll from the Univ. of New Hampshire:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/25/062515dempoll.pdf

You can see how far Bernie has risen - 68% to Hillary's 74%. And we'vestill got
some 6+ months till the Primaries?

[brooklynite]

98. You're looking at favorability ratings...not polling

If Bernie has a 6 point deficit in favorability, but a 40 point deficit in voting intent, that indicates that favorability is not a driving force in electoral choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. More fun and game with numbers

In the latest yougov poll ( 7/18- 7/20) his support is down to 18%:


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/yougov-economist-22430



from 24% in the poll that preceded it. (7/4 -7/6)

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/yougov-economist-22360


If Senator Sanders loses 25% of his support every two weeks he will be down to zero by Labor Day.

P.S. I don't believe these numbers are linear.

[rhett o rick]

64. Her strategy of keeping her head down is working so far. She just has to hang on. nm

[cascadiance]

67. As she was at this time in 2007 against Obama...

... and lost it later as the primary season started.

[WillyT]

61. Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[bobbobbins01]

80. So 55% like Bernie and only 48% like Hillary

That should convince most people of his electability.

[daybranch]

87. Bernie's favorability rises based on hearing his ideals

Hillary's unfavorability rises based on hearing her lack of ideals.
Bernie's unfavorabiity rises based on main stream media characterization.
Hillary's favorability rises based on main stream characterization.

As more hear Bernie's and or O'Malleys message Hillary support will plummet.
Heck if we just actually listen to Hillary speak her support will drop.

Both Bernie and O'Malley are candidates who unite our people in commitment to the common benefit of our people. Hillary supports social change but wants us to believe those now influencing the system to give them both the lion's and the elephant's share of our people's created wealth are not to blame for social unrest, sexism and racism, even though elections of their republican political hacks depend on the hate these isms produce.

Hillary does not tell us why we should vote for her, except to prevent a bit of the isms.
Bernie and O'Malley speak the truths we know and as Bernie says it ain't about him.
It is about us, and that is why we must support one of the men against Hillary.

[colsohlibgal]

92. Because He Is A Genuine Progressive

I loved him channeling FDR with his "I welcome the hatred of Wall Street" comment. Don't hold your breath waiting for HRC to say anything at all like that, she's taken too much cash from Wall Street.

[BlueStateLib]

101. FDR and two of his friends,

FDR and two of his friends, bankers James Perkins, chairman of National City Bank (now Citigroup) and Winthrop Aldrich, chairman of Chase (now JP Morgan Chase), it wasn’t really the will of the population that pressed FDR to reform banking as he did; it was the will of these men. In the process, Aldrich and Perkins saw a way for their banks to overtake a chief competitor, the immensely influential Morgan Bank (whose leaders were also friends of FDR), by robbing them of their ability to both underwrite securities and take deposits.

[coyote]

96. Do Hillary supporters have such bad bullshit detectors

that they cannot see the candidate that she really is? It's like obama's change you can believe iin crap. How people are buying her message is beyond me. Just one look at who is bankrolling her was enough to see that she is a fraud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. Barack Obama has been a consequential and transformational president

"...It's like obama's change you can believe iin (sp) crap..."

Barack Obama has been a consequential and transformational president and if you made one hundredth the contribution he has made into making our nation a kinder and better place you would be making one thousand times the contribution you are making now.

[rhett o rick]

126. Obama hasn't changed much. He did increase drone killing innocent people in sovereign nations.

I guess that's change. He gave a pass to our war criminals. His DoJ has a worse record for prosecuting Wall Street crime than George Bush. I guess that's change. He did absolutely nothing to save ACORN. He did absolutely nothing to try to stop cops killing black males. Did nothing to fix the broken prison system or our broken infrastructure, or our broken election system. He laughed off the torture report. His biggest accomplishment was an insurance program that still allows large profits for the insurance industry that comes directly out of our pockets. He persecuted whistle-blowers and journalists more than any of his predecessors. He changed nothing with regard to domestic spying by the NSA and CIA. He embraces fracking and Arctic drilling. And maybe the worst, he is trying to ram thru Trade Agreements that have the greedy Republicons drooling. It may be the straw that kills our Democracy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. He ended the Great Recession...

He ended the Great Recession... He appointed judges that gave gay folks the right to marry...The Affordable Care Act with its concomitant Medicaid expansion to include indigent adults regardless of gender and marital status has saved the lives of millions.

You and your cohorts contempt for him is why Senator Bernard Sanders has as much chance of getting enough votes from people of color to wrest the nomination from Hillary Clinton as I have of beating Floyd Mayweather for the middleweight championship of the world.


Barack Hussein Obama wears the scorn that you and your privileged cabal have for him like a medal.

[rhett o rick]

129. How specifically did he end the great recession? Seriously, what specifically did he do?

Barack Hussein Obama kills innocent people with drones attempting to kill terrorist SUSPECTS. I think the ration of innocents to suspects is 10 to 1. How do you rationalize that? "What's a little collateral damage?" Is that your rationalization?

Barack Hussein Obama and his DoJ turned their backs on the cops killing black males. They have done nothing.

Barack Hussein Obama has let the banksters and gangsters of Wall Street rip off the 99% for hundreds of billions, even trillions.

BHO has made a mockery of the torture report, treating is as a joke. "Some folks got tortured".

He has embraced fracking as "the bridge to a new energy", as common folks are losing their drinking water.

He shook his finger at BP when they spilled oil in the Gulf and now he is going to allow drilling in the Arctic.

He turned his back on the war crimes of the Bush Family. Rationalize that.

He and Holder did crack down on medical marijuana dispensaries. Much more serious than Wall Street crime.

I assume as a BHO fan, you support the Democracy killing "Fracking Free Trade Agreements". Who needs Democracy.

I could not believe it was America when George Bush's nazi squads picked up Jose Pidella off the streets and without any Constitutional rights, held him and tortured him until he went insane. I couldn't wait until we had a Democratic president to undo the damage. Was I naive or what. BHO signed off on continuing the indefinite detention of the Bush gangsters.

What about domestic spying? I had hoped that a Democratic president would end it. NOPE. BHO is continuing all the unConstitutional spying by the NSA and CIA that Bush did. He and Bush see eye to eye on NSA spying on every American.

And I bet you want to see this crap continue. Vote for Clinton and continue the slide into tyranny.

[LeftOfWest]

131. recommend this post.

highly. I was not aware and now I am.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

132. He is a hero to African Americans

He is a hero to many African Americans and people of color and it rankles people like you that he is because it reminds you of your own impotence to convince them otherwise despite your vainglorious attempts.


Senator Sanders is running against Barack Obama's legacy and that's why African Americans are rejecting his candidacy at a 14-1 clip:



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

Pg 70

[rhett o rick]

133. I appreciate that he is a hero to African Americans. But I put race aside when I evaluate his

performance. You made the claim that he ended the Great Recession. Now I find that strange because when I state that he couldn't even figure out a way to close Gitmo, I hear how his hands are so tied by the Republicons. If they wouldn't let him close Gitmo, why would they let him fix the economy? Actually how did he fix the economy without Congress?

If Sen Sanders loses, it will be a huge loss for all Americans. Eight more years of Wall Street rule and we will see more people in more private prisons, and more jobs shipped overseas. Wall Street doesn't care about the AA community, they don't think that Black Lives Matter.

The imprisonment of people of color has continued to get worse and more and more black males are being murdered in the streets. Pres Obama and Eric Holder have done nothing to change this terrible situation. This will continue to get worse as long as the country supports the Wall Street status quo.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

134. Unemployment at the peak of the Great Recession was 10.0%

Unemployment at the peak of the Great Recession was 10.0%. It is now 5.3%. That is not the result of osmosis but the function of President Obama's stimulative fiscal policies.

[rhett o rick]

135. What policies? nm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. The $831 billion stimulus package which should have been larger if not for...

The $831 billion stimulus package which should have been larger if not for the reluctance of recalcitrant Democrats.

[rhett o rick]

137. I am not sure he had much input into that bill he signed one month after being elected.

Now he and the republicons are pushing the TPP.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. He ran on delivering a stimulus program and delivered one, albeit a smaller one...

He ran on delivering a stimulus program and delivered one, albeit a smaller one then what he wanted because of political opposition. Ending the Great Recession will be the second line written about him by historians. The first line will be he was the first black president.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) (Pub.L. 111–5), commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, was an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009 and signed into law on February 17, 2009, by President Barack Obama

[rhett o rick]

139. I hope that is the second line and not that he pardoned the Iraq War criminals or that he

pushed thru the TPP which killed our sovereignty and our democracy. Advancing drone killing in sovereign nations will be also on the list.

[George II]

142. You really are adept at changing the subject when a question you ask....

...isn't answered to your satisfaction (even though answered truthfully)

[George II]

141. "The imprisonment of people of color has continued to get worse"...

You do realize that Senator (then Representative) Sanders voted for the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act" in 1994, and he's never repudiated his vote for that bill.

He's also voted with republicans against the Brady Bill and in favor of protecting gun manufacturers.

Any you're lecturing us about what President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have or haven't done?

[SunSeeker]

149. Excellent point. nt

[George II]

140. If you really need to ask that question, then....

....any answers you get won't be looked at objectively by you.

And what's the point of you repeating over and over again the Coulter-like "Barack Hussein Obama"?

[1StrongBlackMan]

128. +1 ...

History will be kind to President Obama's legacy ... and so will his current biggest Democratic detractors ... Their Grand-kids will hear nightly, the story of how grandpa/grandma Real Democrat, stood firm in the face of EVERYBODY's doubt regarding President Obama ... that and what a experience Woodstock and Altamont was.

[BlueStateLib]

102. Clinton's favorable rating among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents is 74%

Clinton's favorable rating has slipped slightly among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents since April, falling to 74% from 79%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/184346/sanders-surges-clinton-sags-favorability.aspx

[LanternWaste]

143. I imagine the polls will swing wildly over the next five months.

I imagine the polls will swing wildly over the next large handful of months. I also imagine the polls will provide validation to that particular poll winners supporters, and the supporters of the poll's losers will find flaw with it-- both being myopic and subjective positions.

As a poll is no more and no less a snapshot of the here and now lacking aspects of relevant context, I also imagine the wise will simply take it as such, and allow other tools, in addition to pools, to provide a more comprehensive picture the closer we get to the primary election.