Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:11 PM

Breaking: Clintons Got Millions from Swiss Bank Sec Clinton Shielded from IRS

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Source: Daily Kos

Here's the long and short of it. Shortly after she became Secretary of State, Clinton went to Switzerland at the request of her Swiss counterpart. The IRS had sued UBS demanding the identities of some 50,000 account holders. A few months later, Secretary Clinton announced a deal whereby UBS provided information on only 4450 accounts. It was a bit odd that the Secretary of State (any secretary of state) would have been involved in this kind of matter at all.

This is all a bit odd and another instance of a Clinton helping out a giant financial institution. But what is really troubling is what came after. Because it seems that after this intervention, UBS became rather magnanimous toward the Clintons. How so?

1) UBS contributions to the Clinton foundation jumped from 60K prior to 2008 to 600K by 2014. That's a 1000% increase.

2) UBS partnered with the Clinton Foundation to lend $32 million to inner-city entrepreneur programs.

3) Bill Clinton was invited to have some Q & A sessions with UBS big wigs. He was paid $1.5 MILLION for these appearances. It made UBS the single biggest source of corporate speech income since he left office.

Read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/31/1407615/-Breaking-Clintons-Got-Millions-from-Swiss-Bank-Sec-Clinton-Shielded-From-IRS

This is a compilation of two other articles -

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/?UTM_SOURCE=yahoo

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ubs-deal-shows-clintons-complicated-ties-1438223492

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Breaking: Clintons Got Millions from Swiss Bank Sec Clinton Shielded from IRS (Original post)	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	OP
Kicketty Kickin'	Faux pas	Jul 2015	#1
...& the shit is stickin'. k&r, nt	appal_jack	Jul 2015	#17
LOL and	Faux pas	Jul 2015	#30
ditto, though there will be those who will find out that its the NY Times fault.	roguevalley	Jul 2015	#128
Quelle surprise	Roland99	Jul 2015	#2
Complicated? How about corrupt quid pro quo?	peacebird	Jul 2015	#3
Pos hoc ergo propter hoc.	Rolf21	Jul 2015	#113
True, but it looks really bad and stinks to high heaven.	peacebird	Jul 2015	#137
A sad comparison. Obviously a rooster cannot make the sun rise. A Clinton quid pro quo?	jonno99	Jul 2015	#140
Like if a known burgler is caught coming out of a bank with his pockets buldging with money,	rhett o rick	Jul 2015	#158
That is sexist.	AngryAmish	Jul 2015	#152
Look over there... a pretty bird. n/t	A Simple Game	Jul 2015	#4
Shocking!	fbc	Jul 2015	#5
From the article...	peacebird	Jul 2015	#6
there isn't a smoldering email but a few of us get quid pro quo	roguevalley	Jul 2015	#130
..! You are reasoned in your view..but, it still smells...as you carefully point out	KoKo	Jul 2015	#164
I would note that although this is written up as Clinton helping a 'bank', the real 'winners' here	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#10
That's a very good question	fbc	Jul 2015	#13
That would be a very interesting list of names n/t	arcane1	Jul 2015	#18
"protected"? Well in the oligarchy club you have to be worth more than your average millionaire...	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#31
See my post #82 for my speculation on the accounts released. n/t	OnlinePoker	Jul 2015	#84
I believe James Carville is on the UBS board, maybe some other Clinton people. Calling Octafish.	appalachiablue	Jul 2015	#168
A Good Question.......	KoKo	Jul 2015	#169
Yes, "Pay To Play" No Doubt... I Have Never Been A Hillary	ChiciB1	Jul 2015	#12
It takes big money to get elected President.	Rolf21	Jul 2015	#105
"when a woman does it, then some people get upset"? Really?	arcane1	Jul 2015	#111
play the guys game. not for my vote. bernie isn't and he has mine. I'm a femaile too and I don't	roguevalley	Jul 2015	#132
precisely! n/t	wildbilln864	Jul 2015	#162
Not surprising. Very sad, kr	PufPuf23	Jul 2015	#7
Exhausting people can be so exhausting	BeyondGeography	Jul 2015	#8
K&R No wonder she was planning a coronation.	jwirr	Jul 2015	#9
Why I am not surprised at all eh????	mylye2222	Jul 2015	#11
Great, here comes a half-dozen more "Made-up reasons why Sanders sucks" threads n/t	arcane1	Jul 2015	#14
LOL, yup.	closeupready	Jul 2015	#90
k&r nt	Live and Learn	Jul 2015	#15
at least she did something	heaven05	Jul 2015	#16
That's the "beauty" of it	BeyondGeography	Jul 2015	#32
like I said	heaven05	Jul 2015	#36
Can you identify the "inner-city loan program"?	Cosmic Kitten	Jul 2015	#74
go find out for yourself	heaven05	Jul 2015	#120
Classic	arcane1	Jul 2015	#124
You don't get it.	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#167
The Bernie supporters don't get it because they believe	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#176
here is the press release	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#135
How much did she give to POC?	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#100
Check the Foundation's website, you'll see what they spend their money on.	George II	Jul 2015	#150
How about you check out their foundation site	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#156
No thanks, I'm not the one questioning their foundation.	George II	Jul 2015	#165
No, you are the one who isn't willing to support your own candidate	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#166
propping up multi million dollar businesses	questionseverything	Jul 2015	#103
Here is just a short list of some of Bernie's recent Senate votes	passiveporcupine	Jul 2015	#117
A bird sat on a branch and the whole tree fell down	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#19
Nobody is criticizing how the foundation spent its money. You're making that up n/t	arcane1	Jul 2015	#22
You be sure to let us all know when Mother Teresa runs for POTUS.	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#23
What difference does it make?	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#29
This isn't about the foundation, it's about the favors that got the donations	arcane1	Jul 2015	#38
What favors?	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#53
More strawmen n/t	arcane1	Jul 2015	#63
You, Sir are the Field Marshall of the Srawman Army.	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#65
I thought that was obvious	arcane1	Jul 2015	#93
the article which appeared in the Wall Street Journal is reporting shadows. You can ask questions	Bill USA	Jul 2015	#144
That's all you got?	Elmer S. E. Dump	Jul 2015	#67
He's not big on substance, typically.	closeupready	Jul 2015	#94
On my...	whathehell	Jul 2015	#155
If Bernie wins, that is what will be coming out of every RWingers	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#179
She's deceased,	Darb	Jul 2015	#34
She's deceased???	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#37
Yeah, you got it, so find another ridiculously hysterical point to make.	Darb	Jul 2015	#58
It is more hysterically ridiculous	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#85
You are right, I transposed the words. I like yours better.	Darb	Jul 2015	#89
I don't know why I bother	postatomic	Jul 2015	#39
ahhh	heaven05	Jul 2015	#42
Nothing is more hilarious than people praising the Clinton campaign for its "diversity." Are we	Chakab	Jul 2015	#48
Complete nonsense.	Elmer S. E. Dump	Jul 2015	#71
But but but....it's a chance to bash Hillary! Its de rigueur.	George II	Jul 2015	#52
Don't knock down the "revolution"	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#59
+100000000000000. ^THIS^	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#80
$1.5 mil to Bill?	ish of the hammer	Jul 2015	#96
He donates his speaking fees to his foundation n/t	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#115
Oh come on, don't be logical here, PLEASE!!!	George II	Jul 2015	#129
Source please.	Scuba	Jul 2015	#136
Here	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#141
That article does not substantiate your claim that Bill gave all his speaking fees to the foundation	Scuba	Jul 2015	#146
He gave 72 speeches and gave $16 million to the foundation	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#148
PROVE IT! Show use his W-2s, W-4s, and throw in his birth certificate, please!	George II	Jul 2015	#154
Plus his mother's maiden name and ATM PIN	cosmicone	Jul 2015	#170
Cleanup in aisle LBN ...and K & R	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#20
From the article...	R. Daneel Olivaw	Jul 2015	#21
There's a very good point there.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#25
Among the rich, to keep club membership the rule is that no quid pro quo is to never be exposed.	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#26
Prove it.	Darb	Jul 2015	#40
Prove it ain't. Can't believe people are so trusting of the rich after they fucked us hard in 2008.	L0oniX	Jul 2015	#45
Prove a negative? Good one.	Darb	Jul 2015	#64
Just the suspicion is enough to warrant investigation.	7962	Jul 2015	#46
No, it doesn't.	Darb	Jul 2015	#66
You must not have read my whole post.	7962	Jul 2015	#79
Read it three times now.	Darb	Jul 2015	#87
Resulting in serioust heartbern	George II	Jul 2015	#159
+1000000	Elmer S. E. Dump	Jul 2015	#72
Don't view UBS deal in a vacuum	Justice	Jul 2015	#24
The GOP got nothing on her, nothing at all.	zeemike	Jul 2015	#27
Shhhh! We need to keep this stuff quiet!!! Otherwise, the GOP might overhear us!!! n/t	RufusTFirefly	Jul 2015	#51
The GOP is the one feeding you.	Darb	Jul 2015	#70
Makes me wonder who was #4451 on the list.	rateyes	Jul 2015	#28
I'd like to hear Hillary's response to this.	hamsterjill	Jul 2015	#33
Don't worry. She'll be happy to answer...	RufusTFirefly	Jul 2015	#54
Oh look. The media is trying to gin up another phony scandal about Hillary.	6000eliot	Jul 2015	#35
Forget Benghazi, this might be the real deal. nt	silvershadow	Jul 2015	#41
"Breaking"? Just the same story we've BEEN hearing but with a different company/country. nt	7962	Jul 2015	#43
Yeah...she's the one who's going after the big banks	d_legendary1	Jul 2015	#44
Story seems to skip over a critical piece here:	jberryhill	Jul 2015	#47
You who?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#50
.	jberryhill	Jul 2015	#73
"And how many account ID's would the IRS have gotten.....	George II	Jul 2015	#160
As a Democrat, as a Bernie supporter, I've got to say	jomin41	Jul 2015	#49
+1	shireen	Jul 2015	#57
We have two great candidates in Sanders and O'Malley, yes.	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#92
Another "bad optics" revelation for the Hillary campaign	peequod	Jul 2015	#55
Doing well by doing good	pscot	Jul 2015	#56
Rumours and innuendos and speculation amounting to nothing...again...The Daily Bore.	Fred Sanders	Jul 2015	#60
If you're going to throw out a smear piece	azureblue	Jul 2015	#61
As I replied to jberryhill, none of that is MY text. It's all from the linked DailyKos piece.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#68
"Some people say..."	jberryhill	Jul 2015	#76
I support your research........................	turbinetree	Jul 2015	#102
If you don't have anything then use the Rush doctrine. Throw out some names to get the attention	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#77
foundation has it's own problems, how much does staff get paid again?	snooper2	Jul 2015	#99
.	AtomicKitten	Jul 2015	#62
Thank Dog, HRC has a "D" next to her name,	jomin41	Jul 2015	#69
Ken Starr	Turbineguy	Jul 2015	#75
That's it! Bernie is Prez :)	Helen Borg	Jul 2015	#78
The Rabid Right Wing hasn't even started to burnout bernies flame. Sanders will never be Pres.	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#83
The 'Rabid Right Wing' is nothing at all.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#107
Whatever. He's an asset to them at the moment. But you really think the	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#121
W0W, yet more scandals to drag ALL democrats down!	Cosmic Kitten	Jul 2015	#81
Were the 4450 accounts that UBS gave part of that data breach?	OnlinePoker	Jul 2015	#82
We'll read that part in the fine print on the back page.	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#88
So Hillary is complicit in tax evasion of 45,000 billionaires and millionaires.	WDIM	Jul 2015	#86
Mrs. Clinton needs that money:	RoccoR5955	Jul 2015	#91
Her supporters won't care. But those who don't find her highly likable...	WorseBeforeBetter	Jul 2015	#133
replace CLINTON with BUSH and you get opposite reactions from supporters LOL-	snooper2	Jul 2015	#95
No Bush, No Clinton, indeed.	bigwillq	Jul 2015	#108
There is no evidence	question everything	Jul 2015	#97
Her constant critics will say Hillary "destroyed" the evidence.	Rolf21	Jul 2015	#109
Do you have evidence of this? Or just smearing DUers for fun?	arcane1	Jul 2015	#112
This is an opinion board, people can post their impressions. Evidence	still_one	Jul 2015	#119
And it's my opinion that claims of woman-hating should be supported with facts	arcane1	Jul 2015	#123
Ok	still_one	Jul 2015	#126
Oh, you were not here when people on DU said that they could not vote for Hillary	question everything	Jul 2015	#174
What does it say about me, o wise one?	arcane1	Jul 2015	#177
But some people just don't want the wrong woman in power..	frylock	Jul 2015	#134
Welcome to DU, Rolf21	question everything	Jul 2015	#172
How does this qualify as 'Latest Breaking News'?	postatomic	Jul 2015	#98
The article linked was less than 12 hours old?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#104
It's not news. At best it's just a bad op-ed.	postatomic	Jul 2015	#114
IT is not HIllary's fault.	bvar22	Jul 2015	#101
No two people have been more absurdly investigated than Bill and Hillary Clinton	AllFieldsRequired	Jul 2015	#106
I like Bernie	wendylaroux	Jul 2015	#110
"There is no evidence"..(you forgot to include this part)	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#116
Problem is you have to subscribe to the WSJ to see that. The Atlantic makes a reference to the no	still_one	Jul 2015	#153
Can we trust Hillary??	Angry Dragon	Jul 2015	#118
She is the only candidate we can trust.	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#122
Bernie??	Angry Dragon	Jul 2015	#125
It was reported (LOVE that term!!) that he got free ice cream from Jerry Greenfield.	George II	Jul 2015	#131
Harmless back-scratching..like guns, & military contracts in his state.	misterhighwasted	Jul 2015	#147
Hillary will need a safe choice like Kaine or Vilsack as her vice presidential running mate	NYCButterfinger	Jul 2015	#138
Curses....Debunked YET again!!!!	VanillaRhapsody	Jul 2015	#127
I read the original WSJ story, which was a total hit job on the Clintons.	BlueEye	Jul 2015	#139
Didn't she make some bullshit promise about no hint of conflict of interest?	Scuba	Jul 2015	#142
Bernie and Hillary supporter here. But this headline is more than a little misleading.	wiggs	Jul 2015	#143
A RWer on Discussionist has also decided this is bad.	JoePhilly	Jul 2015	#145
pay2play nt	HFRN	Jul 2015	#149
These attacks on HRC are not helping Bernie,,,,,,,,,,	Cryptoad	Jul 2015	#151
Once A Corporatist - Always A Corporatist	cantbeserious	Jul 2015	#157
Sorry, but that is straight up corruption	Ed Suspicious	Jul 2015	#161
Drip, drip, drip.	zentrum	Jul 2015	#163
And the Hillary hate continues.... unabated.	philosslayer	Jul 2015	#171
That can't be.	darkangel218	Jul 2015	#173
Kickity kick	glinda	Jul 2015	#175
If it walks like a Duck and it talks like a Duck...	Ford_Prefect	Jul 2015	#178
Locking: Analysis	itsrobert	Jul 2015	#180

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:14 PM

Faux pas (13,690 posts)

1. Kicketty Kickin'

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:29 PM

appal_jack (3,813 posts)

17. ...& the shit is stickin'. k&r, nt

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:35 PM

Faux pas (13,690 posts)

30. LOL and

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:18 PM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

128. ditto, though there will be those who will find out that its the NY Times fault.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:15 PM

Roland99 (53,081 posts)

2. Quelle surprise

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:16 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

3. Complicated? How about corrupt quid pro quo?

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Response to peacebird (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:59 PM

Rolf21 (22 posts)

113. Pos hoc ergo propter hoc.

The crowing of the rooster does not make the sun rise. There is no evidence of a link.

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:29 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

137. True, but it looks really bad and stinks to high heaven.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/31/1407615/-Breaking-Clintons-Got-Millions-from-Swiss-Bank-Sec-Clinton-Shielded-From-IRS

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:31 PM

jonno99 (2,620 posts)

140. A sad comparison. Obviously a rooster cannot make the sun rise. A Clinton quid pro quo?

Entirely possible - even probable (unless you believe every instance of HRC's "trouble" is merely coincidence).

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:55 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

158. Like if a known burgler is caught coming out of a bank with his pockets buldging with money,

saying there is no link. Links are not needed to convict. It may be hard to prove quid pro quo, but why elect someone with that baggage when you don't have to?

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:46 PM

AngryAmish (25,704 posts)

152. That is sexist.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:17 PM

A Simple Game (9,214 posts)

4. Look over there... a pretty bird. n/t

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:18 PM

fbc (1,668 posts)

5. Shocking!

lol, of course not really shocking at all.

In a sane democracy, not only would people refuse to justify this kind of behavior, they would demand lengthy prison terms.

This is "pay to play"

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Response to fbc (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:19 PM

peacebird (14,195 posts)

6. From the article...

And in all fairness, neither the Atlantic nor the Wall Street Journal claims there is a direct link between helping UBS as Secretary of State on the one hand and the sudden increased generosity of UBS toward the Clintons on the other. And no one is suggesting that anything illegal took place or that there was any kind of quid pro quo deal. I'm not suggesting that, either.
In fact, it is most likely just one more example of the very kind of perfectly legal soft corruption that is strangling our democracy. Right after the big banks bankrupted the global economy, Secretary Clinton was going out of her way to help out the big banks. It's no wonder the IRS and the AG were unable to prosecute the masterminds of this catastrophe given all their friends in high places.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:20 PM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

130. there isn't a smoldering email but a few of us get quid pro quo

agreed peacebird. those who refuse to believe their girl is a crook will say it isn't actually illegal. Of course, if someone in congress gets a contract to a firm and gets funding for campaigns back that is evidence of the anti-Christ.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:08 PM

KoKo (84,711 posts)

164. ..! You are reasoned in your view..but, it still smells...as you carefully point out

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:23 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

10. I would note that although this is written up as Clinton helping a 'bank', the real 'winners' here

were the more than 90% of 1%er accountholders who no doubt got to keep evading paying millions or even billions of dollars of taxes on hidden money. What tied the less than 10% of accountholders whose information was revealed together? Why were they thrown to the wolves, when so many others were protected?

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:26 PM

fbc (1,668 posts)

13. That's a very good question

Too bad our media is shit or someone might actually decide to ask it.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:29 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

18. That would be a very interesting list of names n/t

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:37 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

31. "protected"? Well in the oligarchy club you have to be worth more than your average millionaire...

to get coverage in the 1%'s protection racket.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:22 PM

OnlinePoker (5,469 posts)

84. See my post #82 for my speculation on the accounts released. n/t

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:26 PM

appalachiablue (38,391 posts)

168. I believe James Carville is on the UBS board, maybe some other Clinton people. Calling Octafish.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:36 PM

KoKo (84,711 posts)

169. A Good Question.......

I'd have to weed through all the Financial Data to answer..but, if you look at our Bank Bailouts that let the Heads of the Worst Banksters "Go Free" with "Fine after Fine" avoiding "Criminal Indictment" and they STILL PROFIT with BONUSES....I'd say that the lesser ones like "Bill Clinton" who approved the End of Glass-Stegall and his other Deregulation which helped cause the Meltdown were Equally Rewarded for their cooperation.

And that's a huge part of why I can't support Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton assuming the White House is Theirs...

Too much Pain and Suffering to the American People by their constant "Clulessness" ....or Did they know Full Well what they were doing?

It seems for the Clintons it is "POWER over MONEY" and yet those they enable Grow More Wealthy and they stand buy and perpetuate that SYSTEM, while they Pretend Otherwise!

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:25 PM

ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)

12. Yes, "Pay To Play" No Doubt... I Have Never Been A Hillary

supporter simply because of her ties to BIG money! This is just another reason that makes me even more uncomfortable and unless this country wakes up we're going to get "More" of what we've had for far too many years!

All I can do is keep supporting Bernie even though I know that TPTB will be pulling out ALL the stops to keep him down! It's such a shame what has happened to this country! Actually it's a CRIME!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:46 PM

Rolf21 (22 posts)

105. It takes big money to get elected President.

That's how it works. But when a woman does it, then some people get upset.
Hillary's a winner, and she will play the guys' money game because she has to do so to win.

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #105)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:51 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

111. "when a woman does it, then some people get upset"? Really?

Take that bullshit back from whence you came, we don't need that garbage here.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:22 PM

roguevalley (40,656 posts)

132. play the guys game. not for my vote. bernie isn't and he has mine. I'm a femaile too and I don't

need this shit from her or anyone else. a crook is a crook is a crook.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #132)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:04 PM

wildbilln864 (13,382 posts)

162. precisely! n/t

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:20 PM

PufPuf23 (8,041 posts)

7. Not surprising. Very sad, kr

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:21 PM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

8. Exhausting people can be so exhausting

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:22 PM

jwirr (39,215 posts)

9. K&R No wonder she was planning a coronation.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:25 PM

mylye2222 (2,992 posts)

11. Why I am not surprised at all eh????

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:28 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

14. Great, here comes a half-dozen more "Made-up reasons why Sanders sucks" threads n/t

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:29 PM

closeupready (29,503 posts)

90. LOL, yup.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:28 PM

Live and Learn (12,769 posts)

15. k&r nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:29 PM

heaven05 (18,124 posts)

16. at least she did something

for inner city entrepreneurs(POC). That's a plus in my book. More than some words about something that happened 50 years ago.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:38 PM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

32. That's the "beauty" of it

$32 million for inner city entrepreneurs, and $1.5 million in Bill's pockets for speaking fees. Everyone's a winner! They've got the game down cold.

But, there's this little issue of quid pro quo going forward, isn't there? What kind of treatment can UBS expect from an HRC Administration? They can be forgiven for thinking, "preferential," can't they? It would be nice if the price of a qualified, been-around-the-block candidate like Hillary wasn't having to excuse a post-presidential lifetime of tacky running-up-the-score behavior, but there it is.

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:43 PM

heaven05 (18,124 posts)

36. like I said

she did something for "inner city" people. Not words, did something concrete. That counts in my book when #BlackLivesMatter.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:13 PM

Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)

74. Can you identify the "inner-city loan program"?

Saying the Foundation did "something"
should mean there is "something" to show
for the $32 Million "donation".

Do you know how much if any went
to the "Entrepreneurs", and what
were the terms of the loans?

Did the money go to "friends" of Clinton's?

What exactly is the "program"
Links?

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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #74)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:06 PM

heaven05 (18,124 posts)

120. go find out for yourself

link it yourself. I did. I get sick of doing others work. Just the fact that this money was out there for "inner city" businesses says all I need to know. It's concrete. Not just empty words referring to something that happened 50 years ago. All the sudden money to "inner city" businesses is a bad thing? Right? I'm confused I thought this was the leg up that a certain other candidate touts as the end all be all to all inner city blues"?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #120)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:09 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

124. Classic

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #120)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:17 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

167. You don't get it.

She's your candidate, and you should be willing to support her with a little proof of claims about how wonderful she is, yet you expect Bernie supporters to take their time to go look that up?

That's not supporting your candidate.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #167)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:46 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

176. The Bernie supporters don't get it because they believe

that large numbers are inherently sinful and fraudulent.

a) ALL public charities are required to have audited financial statements
b) ALL public charities are required to spend a bulk of their contributions to charity less overhead and admin costs
c) ALL public charities have to file income tax returns

It is not like Bill Clinton can say "hey, put $20 million in my pocket and call it some charitable work" like Bernie supporters would like to believe.

Lastly, both Clintons are lawyers who have been constantly investigated over one thing or another ... it is not likely at all that they would keep skeletons with their bones sticking out of closet in such a way that even a Bernie supporter can find.

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Response to Cosmic Kitten (Reply #74)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:29 PM

questionseverything (9,164 posts)

135. here is the press release

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubs-and-vedc-announce-first-small-business-loan-in-new-york-metro-area-2014-04-28

not exactly the corner barber shop

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:38 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

100. How much did she give to POC?

The only reference I can find on this is

The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million.

from the Wall Street Journal.

It does not say who the entrepreneurs are, or if any of this goes to the poor (who are mostly POC). And the money did not come from her. It came from the Swiss Bank. 32 million from the swiss bank is zilch to them, especially if they are getting QPQ from the Clintons. Yes Hillary has a foundation (from which I'm sure she earns good money as a founder/director), and she is a well-known good fund raiser. Hurrah! Now lets she her actually get out there and see that the money is used to help the actual POC. Lets see her pass legislation that actually helps the poor and POC.

And you know what? If wealth was more fairly distributed in this country, and we had laws preventing racial discrimination, that actually worked, we wouldn't need wealthy people and wealthy people funded charities to take care of the less fortunate. the system would be fairer so everyone had a fair chance to not "need" charity.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #100)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:42 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

150. Check the Foundation's website, you'll see what they spend their money on.

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Response to George II (Reply #150)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:54 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

156. How about you check out their foundation site

I'm sure not finding anything there about inner city loans or help. Everything there is so generic. I don't see anything showing how much $ is spent and results. It looks like most of the work she does is aimed at gender issues or 3rd world nations (not that that's a bad thing). I'm just not seeing her "help" for POC in this country.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #156)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:12 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

165. No thanks, I'm not the one questioning their foundation.

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Response to George II (Reply #165)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:15 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

166. No, you are the one who isn't willing to support your own candidate

with facts and links. I did for Bernie. Seems like you should want to do that for Hillary.

I don't support Hillary, so why would I want to waste my day looking for proof of things you say?

I even took the time to check out her web page for her foundation and still couldn't find what I was looking for.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:41 PM

questionseverything (9,164 posts)

103. propping up multi million dollar businesses

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubs-and-vedc-announce-first-small-business-loan-in-new-york-metro-area-2014-04-28

Barganza, Inc. is owned and operated by Ronald and Helga Gordon, a husband and wife team who have provided women's handbags to major national retailers since 1983. Many of these larger retailers rely on Barganza’s expertise in the India and China manufacturing system and international distribution channels. Barganza’s sales and business grew steadily until it was deeply affected by the 2008 financial crisis. As the company began to stabilize in 2012, they were further impacted by Hurricane Sandy and the cancellation of the 2012 NYC Fashion Market Week, an event critical to Barganza’s 2013 winter and spring orders. The Gordons approached five different financial institutions before they were referred to VEDC. The $500,000 loan will allow Barganza to continue operations and fulfil new purchase orders.

//////////////////////////////////////

that import handbags made by slave wage earners

hopefully there are better stories to site that gave low income folks a chance at starting their own businesses

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:01 PM

passiveporcupine (8,175 posts)

117. Here is just a short list of some of Bernie's recent Senate votes

I'm not including his strictly economic votes, of which there are plenty, but I'm including his yea votes that affect women, minorities, poor, elderly, immigrants, unemployed, and students and military. And many of the groups he helps are largely POC.

Some are yea votes and some show he was a cosponsor of this bill.

July 16, 2014 S 2578 Protect Women's Health From Corporate Interference Act of 2014. (co-sponsor).

July 9, 2014 PN 1736 Nomination of Julian Castro to be Secretary of Housing and Urban Development

June 11, 2014 S 2432 Bank on Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act

March 31, 2014 HR 4302 Protecting Access to Medicare Act of 2014

March 13, 2014 HR 3370 Homeowner Flood Insurance Affordability Act of 2014

March 6, 2014 S 1752 Military Justice Improvement Act of 2013

Dec. 17, 2013 S 1845 Emergency Unemployment Compensation Extension Act (co-sponsor)

Nov. 7, 2013 S 815 Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2013

June 27, 2013 S 744 Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Ac

I could have added the nay votes too, but didn't want to overwhelm you. These are all votes to help all people, often POC, just from page one of twenty seven. Most within the last two years and if you want to see all his votes, going back to forever, here is the link.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.VbvgWPNVikr

Now tell me again that Bernie's attempt to help or stand for POC is all 50 years ago.

Good grief! Do you have blinders on?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:29 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

19. A bird sat on a branch and the whole tree fell down

So the bird must have done it

There could be legitimate reasons why all 50,000 accounts were not required such as

a) They had very small amounts in them (<$10,000)
b) The owners could not be confirmed as US citizens
c) The 50,000 was just a number thrown out and the actual accounts were fewer
d) The other accounts were already disclosed by taxpayers to the IRS
e) The accounts belonged to diseased persons, corporations or charities and not individuals

In any event, the IRS and the lawyers for Justice signed off on the deal.

Lastly, any money received went into a FOUNDATION for CHARITY WORK.

Would you have kvetched if Mother Teresa had met some Swiss bankers and received millions for her charity?

The attempts by Bernie supporters to smear HRC for the work of a CHARITABLE FOUNDATION are nefarious, specious and downright despicable.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:31 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

22. Nobody is criticizing how the foundation spent its money. You're making that up n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:31 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

23. You be sure to let us all know when Mother Teresa runs for POTUS.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:35 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

29. What difference does it make?

Charitable foundations are audited and all their income and expenses are reported to the state and the IRS.

For someone to insinuate corruption from this really needs a communist confiscatory mindset -- or should I use the PC term "democratic socialist?"

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:44 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

38. This isn't about the foundation, it's about the favors that got the donations

I understand the urge to deflect and change the subject, however. I sympathize.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:02 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

53. What favors?

You don't have a shred of evidence that there was any connection.

Have you stooped down to innuendos now like KKKarl Rove?

Clintons have been investigated by someone or other for all of their public and private lives. Nothing has ever been found.

Next you'll be bringing back Vince Foster ................

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:06 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

63. More strawmen n/t

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #63)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:07 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

65. You, Sir are the Field Marshall of the Srawman Army.

An honest reply like "Yes, I don't have a shred of evidence that the UBS deal and the foundation donations are related and my use of the word favors was wrong" would have sufficed.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #65)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:31 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

93. I thought that was obvious

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #63)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:33 PM

Bill USA (6,436 posts)

144. the article which appeared in the Wall Street Journal is reporting shadows. You can ask questions

but your contention that you can draw conclusions from shadows is nonsense.

The article mentions that UBS contributions to the Clinton Foundation through 2008 were $60,000 but grew to a cumulative total of around $600,000 by endof 2014.

It might be interesting to note that in 2008 UBS "over 21 billion Swiss francs in 2008, the biggest annual loss in Swiss corporate history" .. In 2013 and 2014 they had a net earnings of $3.5 Billion in both years. (I couldn't find data for 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012)

How the U.S. cracked open secret vaults at UBS

But they (UBS) had a few things going for them. The U.S. State Department was grateful for the nation's diplomatic support -- such as representing U.S. interests in places like Cuba and Iran and helping to broker a deal that normalized relations between Turkey and Armenia. The pact was signed in Switzerland last October.

This, insiders said, helped create what they called a "certain atmosphere" that made it possible for Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy Rey to have numerous phone calls with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and to meet her face to face three times in the run-up to the August deal.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:09 PM

Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)

67. That's all you got?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #67)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:32 PM

closeupready (29,503 posts)

94. He's not big on substance, typically.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:54 PM

whathehell (27,912 posts)

155. On my...

I actually liked what you were saying until you equated Communism with Democratic Socialism...:Red bait much?

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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:50 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

179. If Bernie wins, that is what will be coming out of every RWingers

mouth ad nauseum ... enough to scare all small businesspeople and independents away.

I am just preparing the Bernie supporters for what is coming down the pike and is nearly impossible to counter.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:40 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

34. She's deceased,

She cannot run. Not to mention that she wasn't a citizen. Don't let reality get in the way of your hysteria.

As for the Clinton Foundation attacks? Well, that's Karl Rove 101, attack their strength. The Clinton Foundation does a trainload of good things, yet Karl throws that "pay to play" ball out there and the Sanders folks pick it up and run with it. Good on ya!

Not.

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Response to Darb (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:44 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

37. She's deceased???

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:04 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

58. Yeah, you got it, so find another ridiculously hysterical point to make.

If you can think of one that is reality based.

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Response to Darb (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:22 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

85. It is more hysterically ridiculous

than ridiculously hysterical.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #85)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:26 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

89. You are right, I transposed the words. I like yours better.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:47 PM

postatomic (1,771 posts)

39. I don't know why I bother

It's like playing 'whack-a-mole'. You've touched on all the relevant points. These links will help support what you are saying:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/02/13/suit-claiming-ubs-made-me-cheat-irs-laughed-out-of-court/

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=axZmpp36b_OA

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

heaven05 (18,124 posts)

42. ahhh

don't worry about the BS supporters. They will destroy it for him. And IT IS heading that way. No support from AA, Latinos, HRC doing something concrete for AA. I will be pointing that out. Until that BS campaign starts showing some diversity, they have lost many AA votes, that by default, WILL go to HRC. Just the way things are, even if she is tainted by the appellation of being a old school politician with many dark secrets and deals. Just the way the system is. BS has plenty of time to save his bacon, because that first pan full berned to a charred crisp, all because, #BlackLivesMatter.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:55 PM

Chakab (1,727 posts)

48. Nothing is more hilarious than people praising the Clinton campaign for its "diversity." Are we

talking about the same Hillary Clinton that tried to play working class whites and Latinos against blacks and more progressive white Democrats in '08?

Most of Bernie's difficulties with minority communities have to do with his lack of name recognition.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:12 PM

Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)

71. Complete nonsense.

#BlackLivesMatter

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:02 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

52. But but but....it's a chance to bash Hillary! Its de rigueur.

No wonder Sanders repeats over and over again he won't criticize Hillary Clinton - he's got 100,000 "foot soldiers" ready and willing to do it for him.

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:04 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

59. Don't knock down the "revolution"

which is what many of them want and mention repeatedly.

A communist, confiscatory revolution ... stuff that Stalin's and Mao's dreams are made of. Except that now the PC term is "democratic socialist."

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:15 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

80. +100000000000000. ^THIS^

The GOP is smiling & wringing their evil dirty hands in anticipation of a bernie Primary Win. Sanders will be an eady take down with those words alone. And they will use those exact words to do it.
Expect a flame out in a split second.
Hope his troopers are ready for the big swift burnout the RW has planned for him.

He'll never make it.
Pffftt

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:36 PM

ish of the hammer (444 posts)

96. $1.5 mil to Bill?

is that CHARITY WORK?

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Response to ish of the hammer (Reply #96)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:00 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

115. He donates his speaking fees to his foundation n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #115)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:20 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

129. Oh come on, don't be logical here, PLEASE!!!

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #115)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:29 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

136. Source please.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #136)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:32 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

141. Here

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-foundation-received-up-to-26-million-from-familys-speaking-fees-1432260527

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #141)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:34 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

146. That article does not substantiate your claim that Bill gave all his speaking fees to the foundation

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Response to Scuba (Reply #146)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:37 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

148. He gave 72 speeches and gave $16 million to the foundation

which comes to $222,222.22 per speech. He charges between $200K and $250K per speech.

I doubt the numbers would convince you anyway.

You probably want a confiscatory, communist "revolution" ... I mean "democratic socialist" ..

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #148)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:53 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

154. PROVE IT! Show use his W-2s, W-4s, and throw in his birth certificate, please!

I don't freaking believe it.

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Response to George II (Reply #154)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:38 PM

cosmicone (11,014 posts)

170. Plus his mother's maiden name and ATM PIN

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:30 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

20. Cleanup in aisle LBN ...and K & R

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:30 PM

R. Daneel Olivaw (12,606 posts)

21. From the article...

“Any suggestions that Hillary Clinton was driven by anything but what’s in America’s best interest would be false. Period,” a campaign spokesman told The Guardian.
And in all fairness, neither the Atlantic nor the Wall Street Journal claims there is a direct link between helping UBS as Secretary of State on the one hand and the sudden increased generosity of UBS toward the Clintons on the other. And no one is suggesting that anything illegal took place or that there was any kind of quid pro quo deal. I'm not suggesting that, either.

In fact, it is most likely just one more example of the very kind of perfectly legal soft corruption that is strangling our democracy. Right after the big banks bankrupted the global economy, Secretary Clinton was going out of her way to help out the big banks. It's no wonder the IRS and the AG were unable to prosecute the masterminds of this catastrophe given all their friends in high places.

So what is the real meaning of all of this? It is just one more crack in the crumbling wall of credibility the Clintons have when it comes to fighting for progressive economic issues. The Atlantic piece sums it up nicely:

Democrats are hurtling toward a farce. The coalition that insists on the corrupting effect of Citizens United and the unlimited campaign contributions it permits is poised to nominate a couple that has seen riches flow from big banks to their personal accounts.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

25. There's a very good point there.

Like so much of what went on when the finance industry crashed the economy, this was all legal. And that's a worse indictment of the system than it is of any particular politician making use of what legislators collectively have decided should be legal and what shouldn't.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

26. Among the rich, to keep club membership the rule is that no quid pro quo is to never be exposed.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:47 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

40. Prove it.

By the way, there are 1,645 billionaires worldwide. There are about 5,000 Americans with a net worth over $100 million.

I'll be waiting for your proof of anything nefarious. A long time I suspect.

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Response to Darb (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:51 PM

L0oniX (31,493 posts)

45. Prove it ain't. Can't believe people are so trusting of the rich after they fucked us hard in 2008.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:06 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

64. Prove a negative? Good one.

I see you got nothing. Stick to promoting your guy. If you want to get hysterical and make accusations about someone without a shred of proof, making unfounded, contorted connections, direct them toward Jeb.

Thanks in advance.

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Response to Darb (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:52 PM

7962 (11,841 posts)

46. Just the suspicion is enough to warrant investigation.

How many times have I heard that here when the "subject" is a republican?
Which SHOULD be the test for anyone here; what would I think if this was a republican doing the exact same thing?
The answer is: I'd be pissed.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:08 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

66. No, it doesn't.

You've ingested too much fluoride.

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Response to Darb (Reply #66)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:15 PM

7962 (11,841 posts)

79. You must not have read my whole post.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #79)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:23 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

87. Read it three times now.

The answer is still "No". There shouldn't be an investigation.

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Response to Darb (Reply #66)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:55 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

159. Resulting in serioust heartbern

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:13 PM

Elmer S. E. Dump (5,751 posts)

72. +1000000

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:32 PM

Justice (7,062 posts)

24. Don't view UBS deal in a vacuum

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2014/10/25/73-0f-100-swiss-banks-in-bed-with-the-irs-are-eyeing-the-sofa/

UBS was the beginning the unraveling of the Swiss secrecy. It cannot be viewed in a vacuum.

As a result of UBS plea and payment of $780 million, over 100 Swiss banks sign up for the DOJ amnesty deal that would mean no prosecution, no conviction or closure, no disgrace, just some penalties and life goes on.

For example, Credit Suisse plead guilty and paid a $2.6 billion.

Without UBS, not sure the rest of them would have fallen. That might have been the deal Clinton made - be first, and we will give you a break. http://www.forbes.com/sites/irswatch/2014/02/03/swiss-bank-secrecy-succumbs-to-u-s-tax-enforcers/

By the way, UBS under investigation again now.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM

zeemike (18,998 posts)

27. The GOP got nothing on her, nothing at all.

And if they bring this up people will just laugh at them...who would believe that she would ever do something with the intent to gain from it?

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Response to zeemike (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:01 PM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

51. Shhhh! We need to keep this stuff quiet!!! Otherwise, the GOP might overhear us!!! n/t

(For the sarcasm challenged.)

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Response to zeemike (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:11 PM

Darb (2,807 posts)

70. The GOP is the one feeding you.

Fucking duh.

Who's idea is it to attack their opponents strengths? Karl Rove. Who came up with the idea to attack a charity that does tons and tons of good work throughout the world? That's right, Rove. The GOP began connecting Hillary to donations to a charity and now a bunch of useful idiots are pushing it further.

WooHoo!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM

rateyes (17,430 posts)

28. Makes me wonder who was #4451 on the list.

Why 4450? Why not 4500? Why not all 50,000?

Just who is being protected here?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:39 PM

hamsterjill (14,948 posts)

33. I'd like to hear Hillary's response to this.

n/t

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:02 PM

RufusTFirefly (8,812 posts)

54. Don't worry. She'll be happy to answer...

... after she's elected

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:42 PM

6000eliot (5,643 posts)

35. Oh look. The media is trying to gin up another phony scandal about Hillary.

Quelle surprise.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:48 PM

silvershadow (10,336 posts)

41. Forget Benghazi, this might be the real deal. nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:50 PM

7962 (11,841 posts)

43. "Breaking"? Just the same story we've BEEN hearing but with a different company/country. nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:50 PM

d_legendary1 (2,586 posts)

44. Yeah...she's the one who's going after the big banks

right after she cashes their checks.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:55 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

47. Story seems to skip over a critical piece here:

"The IRS had sued UBS demanding the identities of some 50,000 account holders. A few months later, Secretary Clinton announced a deal whereby UBS provided information on only 4450 accounts."

And how many account ID's would the IRS have gotten without some sort of government-to-government deal with Switzerland in order to get what they did?

"It was a bit odd that the Secretary of State (any secretary of state) would have been involved in this kind of matter at all."

I guess a pool table is odd if you've never seen one, which was the premise for the flim-flam artist in Music Man.

The IRS could sue all it wanted to, it wasn't going to get that information in violation of Swiss laws from a Swiss bank, without the Swiss government getting involved.

But you find it a "bit odd" that the Department of State would get involved in a matter requiring the cooperation of a foreign government with a US government agency?

Really?

Explain why that is a "bit odd" to you.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:00 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

50. You who?

Posting in LBN is a bit different from posting in other forums/groups. You get separate boxes for text from the article and your own comments, and your commentary shows up below the line. The only comments I added were the two extra links. Everything else was verbatim from the linked story.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:13 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

73. .

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:02 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

160. "And how many account ID's would the IRS have gotten.....

.....without some sort of government-to-government deal?"

Probably ZERO.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:56 PM

jomin41 (559 posts)

49. As a Democrat, as a Bernie supporter, I've got to say

We are so effing lucky to have all the candidates that we have. They have a clown car, we have two powerful, rule-ready, popular candidates and a great bench. Let's not blow it.

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Response to jomin41 (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:04 PM

shireen (8,333 posts)

57. +1

Agreed. Actually, we have three solid candidates. O'Malley is a good guy, I wish he had more visibility.

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Response to jomin41 (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:31 PM

Maedhros (10,007 posts)

92. We have two great candidates in Sanders and O'Malley, yes.

And we have one candidate neck-deep in Swiss banking money.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:03 PM

peequod (189 posts)

55. Another "bad optics" revelation for the Hillary campaign

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:03 PM

pscot (21,010 posts)

56. Doing well by doing good

It's so quintessentially Clintonesque. Not that there's anything provably wrong with that.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:05 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

60. Rumours and innuendos and speculation amounting to nothing...again...The Daily Bore.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:05 PM

azureblue (1,927 posts)

61. If you're going to throw out a smear piece

At least make sure you have a solid series of links. You just jump from on tenacious association to another, the only common thread being the word "Clinton" As in Hillary, Bill and their foundation.
Your first link is so specious as to be stupid: " Shortly after she became Secretary of State, Clinton went to Switzerland at the request of her Swiss counterpart." Followed by "The IRS had sued UBS demanding the identities of some 50,000 account holders. A few months later, Secretary Clinton announced a deal whereby UBS provided information on only 4450 accounts." You expect people to be stupid enough to buy that?

The first sentence is nothing more than a request from Switzerland NOT the US, to have a chat. We do not know what, but you go for the conspiracy jugular by following it with the next statement that conflates the IRS with the State dept, and you try to make us believe that Hillary had something to do with it, personally. Are you daft? Read it without your tin foil hat on, in the real world -she was mediating an agreement between the Swiss banks and the IRS. That, my poo throwing friend is all that it boiled down to. IOW, she had no skin in the game, she was doing her job of being a diplomat. A fact that goes right over your head.

Then you try to smear the world renown Clinton Foundation. Do yourself a favor and look up what the foundation does, then come back and apologize, if you have any balls at all. You have no tit for tat proof what so ever, and what the hell is wrong with giving money to a foundation that, crap, I should charge you for an education, that Hillary has no direct control over, and so what, anyway? The money goes to help women around the world, so apparently, you hate women, too. Go here and read:
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/

How about admitting you are part of that bunch that will continuously publish these half truths, innuendo laden, etc., craptastic pieces in hopes of wearing her down?

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Response to azureblue (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:10 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

68. As I replied to jberryhill, none of that is MY text. It's all from the linked DailyKos piece.

The only commentary I added is below the dividing line, where I point out that the Daily Kos piece drew from two other articles.

If you want to attack the person who wrote all the things you find so objectionable, go comment under the original Daily Kos piece.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #68)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:15 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

76. "Some people say..."

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #68)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:40 PM

turbinetree (24,011 posts)

102. I support your research........................

and I support the value of trust and that is the issue in this campaign its about trust.
And you have presented the issue as trust

Thank you

Honk ---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

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Response to azureblue (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:15 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

77. If you don't have anything then use the Rush doctrine. Throw out some names to get the attention

And add something unrelated and those who do not listen or read all of the story will associate the name with a story which belongs to someone else. Bingo, mission accomplished.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:38 PM

snooper2 (30,151 posts)

99. foundation has it's own problems, how much does staff get paid again?

I seem to remember some pieces in the New York Times ....

Hillary ain't all that LOL-

But, I guess if you have been just DREAMING for her to be president for the last 15 years it would be hard to change that line of thinking.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:06 PM

AtomicKitten (46,585 posts)

62. .

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:10 PM

jomin41 (559 posts)

69. Thank Dog, HRC has a "D" next to her name,

and not an "R". Any argument?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:14 PM

Turbineguy (35,865 posts)

75. Ken Starr

and the republican shit-slinging machine taught them how to play the game.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:15 PM

Helen Borg (3,963 posts)

78. That's it! Bernie is Prez :)

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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #78)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:21 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

83. The Rabid Right Wing hasn't even started to burnout bernies flame. Sanders will never be Pres.

Hillary is the threat to them. Bernie is nothing at all.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #83)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:49 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

107. The 'Rabid Right Wing' is nothing at all.

Bernie's threat is to the centrists of 'both parties'. If he'll never be President, it's because he won't bow down to the folks with the serious money. They'll pour in as much as needed to make sure it's 'left money' vs 'right money' when the general comes around.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #107)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:07 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

121. Whatever. He's an asset to them at the moment. But you really think the

Rabid Right Wing, Kochs, Alec et al, are not waiting with the socialist, communist heap of doo they have fermenting in a bucket, for just the moment bernie becomes disposable?

He will never become President. They will see to it.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:18 PM

Cosmic Kitten (3,498 posts)

81. W0W, yet more scandals to drag ALL democrats down!

I'm sure independent voters are just
itching to vote for Hillary now!

And this will surely stain the party as a whole.

Is this what the right-wing means by
"Limousine Liberals"?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:19 PM

OnlinePoker (5,469 posts)

82. Were the 4450 accounts that UBS gave part of that data breach?

If that's the case, then Clinton did nothing as SOS and the bank got to keep hiding 95% of the accounts.

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #82)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:24 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

88. We'll read that part in the fine print on the back page.

If its mentioned at all.
Good question, onlinepoker

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:22 PM

WDIM (1,662 posts)

86. So Hillary is complicit in tax evasion of 45,000 billionaires and millionaires.

45,000 super rich 1% got to keep their illegal and ill-gotten gains.

This proves Hillary cares more about the favor of the super wealthy than enforcing tax law. Why would she be any different as President?

And yes the donations and monies earned after helping UBS cover for their tax evading criminal elite was a big thank you Sec Clinton.

Corruption of the wealthiest of the 1% is sicking. Narcissistic greedy selfish rich criminals.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:31 PM

RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)

91. Mrs. Clinton needs that money:

to run her campaign. After all the Koch brothers have a lot more.

Think that this will hurt her with all of her supporters?
That depends on who you ask.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #91)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:28 PM

WorseBeforeBetter (11,441 posts)

133. Her supporters won't care. But those who don't find her highly likable...

or have decades of Clinton fatigue, won't sweat the details. It'll be enough to not vote for her.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:35 PM

snooper2 (30,151 posts)

95. replace CLINTON with BUSH and you get opposite reactions from supporters LOL-

tools

NO BUSH NO CLINTON-

GO MARTIN GO!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #95)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:49 PM

bigwillq (72,790 posts)

108. No Bush, No Clinton, indeed.

I plan on supporting Bernie, but would be happy with Martin.

I just do not want another Clinton or Bush.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:37 PM

question everything (45,071 posts)

97. There is no evidence

This story was first reported in the WSJ where is added:

There is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ubs-deal-shows-clintons-complicated-ties-1438223492

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Response to question everything (Reply #97)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:50 PM

Rolf21 (22 posts)

109. Her constant critics will say Hillary "destroyed" the evidence.

But some people just don't want a strong woman in power, and will do anything to stop her.

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #109)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:52 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

112. Do you have evidence of this? Or just smearing DUers for fun?

Present your proof of misogyny or STFU.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:06 PM

still_one (87,325 posts)

119. This is an opinion board, people can post their impressions. Evidence

isn't required for post, and your "STFU", is your opinion. Either view can be accepted or rejected

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Response to still_one (Reply #119)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:08 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

123. And it's my opinion that claims of woman-hating should be supported with facts

Like it or not.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #123)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:10 PM

still_one (87,325 posts)

126. Ok

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:44 PM

question everything (45,071 posts)

174. Oh, you were not here when people on DU said that they could not vote for Hillary

because she reminded them of their mother.. Or when people in the media made fun of her pantsuits, her makeup, her "thick" ankles.

And Rolf21 said "constant critics." That you interpreted this as DUers - well, this says something about you more than about Rolf21.

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Response to question everything (Reply #174)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:47 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

177. What does it say about me, o wise one?

That I'm against attacks on women based on their gender? I'll gladly own that.

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #109)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:28 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

134. But some people just don't want the wrong woman in power..

FIFY

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Response to Rolf21 (Reply #109)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:38 PM

question everything (45,071 posts)

172. Welcome to DU, Rolf21

Looking forward for more insights.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:37 PM

postatomic (1,771 posts)

98. How does this qualify as 'Latest Breaking News'?

For something that happened several years ago, between the Justice Dept., the IRS, and UBS. The link isn't even "news". It's an internet distortion of the facts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/02/13/suit-claiming-ubs-made-me-cheat-irs-laughed-out-of-court/

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=axZmpp36b_OA

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

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Response to postatomic (Reply #98)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:46 PM

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (14,733 posts)

104. The article linked was less than 12 hours old?

Do you think it should have been in GD? Will anything really change depending upon the forum under which it's posted? Or are you just looking for an excuse to lock the thread?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #104)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:00 PM

postatomic (1,771 posts)

114. It's not news. At best it's just a bad op-ed.

I don't care if it gets locked or continues on its merry way over the cliff.

Where are the links to the op-eds that are being used for this "news"? I can't seem to find them.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:39 PM

bvar22 (39,909 posts)

101. IT is not HIllary's fault.

She has this condition where money just sticks to her fingers.
Its a curse really.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:47 PM

AllFieldsRequired (489 posts)

106. No two people have been more absurdly investigated than Bill and Hillary Clinton

Maybe not even Obama.

If the result of any of this bullshit is a con house, senate and wh, I hope those taking glee in this will be here after the motherfuckers on the right begin to piece by piece destroy what we have built.

Please be here and tell us if it was worth it?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:50 PM

wendylaroux (2,925 posts)

110. I like Bernie

but come on,trying to vaporize another democrat is pretty horrible.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:00 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

116. "There is no evidence"..(you forgot to include this part)

The story about Hillary and USB was first published yesterday in the WSJ, where it said:

"There is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton. "

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ubs-deal-shows-clintons-complicated-ties-1438223492

(repost from HRCGroup)

Just thought I'd clear up this ommission in the OP.
Your welcome.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #116)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:46 PM

still_one (87,325 posts)

153. Problem is you have to subscribe to the WSJ to see that. The Atlantic makes a reference to the no

no evidence part, and the DailyKOS has been anti-Hillary for some time, so it is no surprise it isn't in there.

I can hardly wait for someone at DU to post Peter Schweizer accusations as LBN

Funny when Schweizer was pressed by George Stephanopoulos, on his book, "Clinton Cash", he admitted that he has no hard evidence to support his allegations.

Gee, isn't that special. What is heck is wrong with the press in this country?

If I go to Amazon or Audible the book gets rave reviews, despite "no evidence for the claims in it"

The NY Times which recently put up a story saying that "criminal charges" were going to be pursued regarding Hillary's emails. IT WAS A LIE, but like the NY Times knowingly giving Schweizer a forum to spout his lies in his book, the NY Times has demonstrate that it is not a publication that can be trusted to fairly sort out the facts.

Maybe the NY Times can tell us again why they told us that Iraq had WMDs, but conveniently left out the opposing view from government officials in the know? Judith Miller when interviewed by Jon Stewart said it was because the paper did have "enough space" to put it in.

I guess Freedom of the press also means freedom to lie

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:05 PM

Angry Dragon (36,693 posts)

118. Can we trust Hillary??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #118)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:08 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

122. She is the only candidate we can trust.

HRC 2016

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #122)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:09 PM

Angry Dragon (36,693 posts)

125. Bernie??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #125)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:22 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

131. It was reported (LOVE that term!!) that he got free ice cream from Jerry Greenfield.

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Response to George II (Reply #131)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:35 PM

misterhighwasted (9,148 posts)

147. Harmless back-scratching..like guns, & military contracts in his state.

At least that's "what was reported"...yup.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #122)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:30 PM

NYCButterfinger (755 posts)

138. Hillary will need a safe choice like Kaine or Vilsack as her vice presidential running mate

Kaine and Vilsack won't deflect attention from Hillary if she wins the nomination.

Vilsack brings MO, IA.
Kaine brings VA, MO, MN, IA. (Kaine grew up in Missouri)

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:12 PM

VanillaRhapsody (21,115 posts)

127. Curses....Debunked YET again!!!!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:31 PM

BlueEye (449 posts)

139. I read the original WSJ story, which was a total hit job on the Clintons.

They conveniently buried the fact that George W. Bush was also involved in the UBS-sponsored charity thing (meaning he too got speaking fees) in the last paragraph.

The matter regarding Switzerland is being blown out of proportion. Hillary was the sitting Secretary of State, and Switzerland was upset because the IRS was asking them to do something that violates Swiss law. Now, as liberals, we are supposed to defend the IRS when it try to combat P.O.S. 1% tax evaders, that is certain. BUT, I personally object to American Exceptionalism, and I think the IRS was being rather arrogant in just expecting the UBS in Switzerland to break their own laws just because the IRS is an American agency. I don't blame the Swiss for being upset, and Clinton was just doing her job resolving the situation.

The UBS charitable donations and even Bill's speaking fees all went to a good cause, and there is no direct causal relationship with Hillary's diplomatic efforts with Switzerland. UBS had been donating to the Clinton Foundation prior to that affair.

Bottom line: This is a conservative hit piece and unfortunately, many on the left are buying the narrative.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:32 PM

Scuba (53,475 posts)

142. Didn't she make some bullshit promise about no hint of conflict of interest?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:33 PM

wiggs (7,251 posts)

143. Bernie and Hillary supporter here. But this headline is more than a little misleading.

Headline identifies the Clinton Foundation and the Clintons as the same thing, when they are not. Same thing that Fox and much of attention-hungry MSM does. It should be clear without further comment, however with respect to the three points in the OP:

1) So this says that DURING the recession UBS was more charitable to a world-wide non-profit than after? And since Hillary left the state department in early 2013, how are the end-of-2014 numbers for charitable giving relevant?

2) Other than the words 'UBS' and 'Clinton' appearing in the same sentence, how is this relevant to the OP supposition that UBS paid off the Clintons for favors?

3) The article says that Bill Clinton has been speaking to the biggest financial institutions since 2004, all for a fee of course just like many many world figures.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't do a better job of creating a perception of separation between income and government activities...they should. I am saying that the headline goes beyond that to make an unfounded accusation. For what reason, I don't know. It's certianly not for reasons of accuracy in reporting.

Bernie doesn't benefit from these kinds of mud-slinging headlines. But we all lose...lowering the quality of public discourse diminishes us all, even the republicans who may actually gain a tic or two in polling numbers.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:34 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

145. A RWer on Discussionist has also decided this is bad.

First ... is there something illegal here?

Second ... I'm looking at item #2 ... we against that?

Third ... Bill is not Hillary. And, you do not mention who UBS has usually had come speak. Bill is a pretty big name, don't you think?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:41 PM

HFRN (1,469 posts)

149. pay2play nt

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:44 PM

Cryptoad (8,254 posts)

151. These attacks on HRC are not helping Bernie,,,,,,,,,,

He has asked yall repeatedly to lay off,,,,

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:54 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

157. Once A Corporatist - Always A Corporatist

eom

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:04 PM

Ed Suspicious (8,879 posts)

161. Sorry, but that is straight up corruption

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:06 PM

zentrum (9,864 posts)

163. Drip, drip, drip.

It doesn't matter if it's eventually debunked. Details and nuances won't matter to the middle level voter. Her M.O. is going to be to fight and deny scandal after scandal. After scandal. And there will be no oxygen left in the room to talk about policy.

It makes me furious that the Clinton Machine may make sure she's crowned. The scandals may destroy our chance to take the WH.

Go Bernie.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:38 PM

philosslayer (3,076 posts)

171. And the Hillary hate continues.... unabated.

Maybe this will move Bernie up another 2% in the polls!!! Whats he at now... 18? he might break 20!! woohoo!!!!!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:39 PM

darkangel218 (13,985 posts)

173. That can't be.

Even I ( not a supporter of HC ) dont believe this. Tax evasion??

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:46 PM

glinda (14,807 posts)

175. Kickity kick

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:48 PM

Ford_Prefect (7,122 posts)

178. If it walks like a Duck and it talks like a Duck...

You just have to wonder just what promises were offered to UBS.

I have a pretty good idea what I could do with 600,000 or 1.5 million. How about you?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:51 PM

itsrobert (14,157 posts)

180. Locking: Analysis

Analysis and opinion from other news sources. Please refer to SOP for more information. "No analysis or opinion pieces." Please feel free to repost in GD: Primaries http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1251 or GOOD READS forum.

Thank you.

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