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Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:09 PM

#NerdScreen: Who Won (And Lost) Thursday's Debate

Source: NBC Meet the Press

Horse race:

Trump 23%, Cruz 13%, Carson 11%, Fiorina 8%, Rubio 8%, Bush 7%, Walker 7%, Paul 5%, Huckabee 4%, Kasich 2%, Perry 2%

Who won the debate:

Fiorina 22%, Trump 18%, Rubio 13% Cruz 12%, Carson 8%, Huckabee 5%, Paul 3%, Walker 3%, Bush, 2%, Christie 2%, Kasich 2%


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/-nerdscreen--who-won--and-lost--thursdays-debate-501119555665



This poll employs an online methodology so take it for what it is worth (not as good as a phone poll but better than the nonsense that's currently floating out there).

I love that the big-money Republican establishment candidates are tied for sixth in the horse race and were found to have won the debate by 3% and 2% of those surveyed.

I also love that three of the top 5 in BOTH polls have NEVER held any public office. Conclusion: even Republicans hate Republican office holders.

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Reply #NerdScreen: Who Won (And Lost) Thursday's Debate (Original post)
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 OP
big_dog Aug 2015 #1
forest444 Aug 2015 #6
TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #20
forest444 Aug 2015 #21
totodeinhere Aug 2015 #2
thesquanderer Aug 2015 #9
Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #3
big_dog Aug 2015 #4
Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #7
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #10
big_dog Aug 2015 #12
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #13
moonscape Aug 2015 #19
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #22
Gothmog Aug 2015 #5
big_dog Aug 2015 #8
Gothmog Aug 2015 #11
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #15
Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #14
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #16
Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #18
They_Live Aug 2015 #17

Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:19 PM

1. the new GOP mainstream media 'it' girl laid off 40,000 people at HP

 

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Response to big_dog (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:50 PM

6. She did all right for herself, of course: a $21 million golden parachute.

What we have with Fiorina is a brazen case of pure media hype (probably on behalf of Bush mafia interests who've already eyed Madame Carleton as Jeb's possible running mate).

Here's something I've heard her squawk every chance she gets: that "HP grew from a $44 billion company to a $90 billion company."

Again, shameless. That "growth" came from acquiring Compaq in 2002. Without Compaq's $40 billion, revenue growth at HP -adjusted for inflation- was actually negative during the Fiorina debacle from 1999 to 2005.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:38 PM

20. Actually, the Compaq merger was total failure

and it was her idea. Indeed, the stock price went down as low as 65% during her tenure, while she laid off 30K employees in the US; 18K in just one year! As for the HP growing from $44 Billion to $90 Billion, I guess she's counting on most people not understanding the difference between gross and net. Yes, HP became BIGGER, but it also acquired enormous debt. And yes, she got a golden parachute of $21 Million, because it was worth that much to them to get her to LEAVE

Yeah, she knows how to run a business - run it into the ground.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:47 PM

21. Exactly.

HP's "growth" in revenues from $44 to $90 bn. included the $40 bn. in already existing income from Compaq - which Fibberina always words in such a way that leads the uninformed to believe HP's income actually doubled (!).

And how did she "merge" the two? Just the way you described: as a debacle for employees and shareholders and alike.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:26 PM

2. There is a flaw in that. Fiorina and Trump were in two different debates.

You can't say that Fiorina was in first place and Trump was in second unless they were actually debating against each other which they weren't.

And please don't fall for this Fiorina crap. If you look at her positions on the issues she is just as much a wingnut as the rest of them. She is being pushed by Fox as an alternative to Trump. It's nothing more than that. Fox hates Trump because they know that he would lose the general. But what they ignore is the probability that any of the rest of them would also lose. That solid blue wall in the Electoral College is just too formidable.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:57 PM

9. None of them really debated "against each other." Mostly more of a shared interview.

That said, what seems flakey about 22% of the people saying Fiorina won is not that they were in two different debates, but rather that, based on ratings, far fewer people saw her. About 6 million for the early debate, about 24 million for the main one. Assuming that virtually all the people who watched the first also watched the second, that means that probably only about a quarter of the people polled even saw her (outside of the clip of her in the main debate). For the purposes of the poll, I would have no problem with their not having technically been "in" the same debate, if they at least had comparable viewership. The fact that the others weren't on the stage at the same time is not very relevant... for half the "main" debate, I didn't know Carson was on the same stage, either.

Anyway, a better link for the poll results and methodology is at

http://www.pdf.investintech.com/preview/33f7458c-3ec9-11e5-9555-002590d31986/index.html

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:42 PM

3. All those numbers seem to say something

but it's the numbers and a poll that is not there that begs to differ.
The real question is where do the claims to victory belong- did the GOP win or did Trump trip the grand old party elite?

That debate in the lesser degree was about 17 candidates. But only their party favorites and most loyal actually count.

Either the GOP won or Trump won , in that truth there is no poll.As to those gop party members that are for it and by it
which ever way it went ,who is to say ? Hell knows what they are for.

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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:46 PM

4. the stunner is that NBC has Jebbie at only 7% post debate

 

100 million dollars and the Bushies mamma's boy is pulling a Rick Perry!

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Response to big_dog (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:51 PM

7. Ya, he's a real thunder bolt !

Here's another one,

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Response to big_dog (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:57 PM

10. Agreed. The fact that the sideshow candidates are beating the party's top picks (Bush and Walker) is

biggest news here. Fiorina is just Trump with 10% more dignity and 10% less stage presence. Neither is qualified to serve as president and neither is truly running for president (Trump is running for fame and Fiorina -- like Huckabee -- is running for a Fox hosting gig). Rubio is running for VP or 2020, but he's clearly not running to head up the 2016 ticket.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:01 PM

12. i disagree, a little--Fiorina was sharp enough to fool a lot of mainstream voters in that debate

 

she looked like the next Fox host/ Mike Huckleberry to be, unless Trump shreds her at the CNN debate.

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Response to big_dog (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:11 PM

13. Prediction: Republicans college graduates will say Fiorina beat Trump after the next debate and

Republicans who did not graduate from high school will be equally sure that Trump kicked her ass. Likewise, Republicans who make over $100,000 will say Fiorina won and Republicans who make less than $50,000 a year will say Trump won.

Trump did more to solidify his base by calling Rosie O'Donnell a pig than he lost support from the boos of the audience when he refused to pledge support for the eventual nominee. That fact defines his constituency.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:50 PM

19. Why do you think Rubio isn't running for the top spot?

He seems to impress a lot of people, and is the one I'm seeing could break out of the pack. If he gets the Koch money ...

He's the one I'm most afraid of for our side.

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Response to moonscape (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:54 PM

22. He's too junior and running against a candidate (Jeb) who he described as his "mentor." In Texas, we

have been taught from numerous Republican primaries that Latino and Hispanic candidates face an almost insurmountable bias in the Republican primary and their primary day support grossly underperforms their polls. Rubio either needs more seasoning with experience or he's naive about the bigotry within his own party -- under both options, he's not at the top of the 2016 ticket.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:49 PM

5. I did not think that Carnival Cruz had that great of a debate

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:54 PM

8. Cruz is poised to take over Trumps support when he capsizes

 

the donald has some unsavory Italian business connections in new york that will come to the fore eventually, not to metnion his comments about blacks handling his money in rolling stone and his daddy buying out all of his casino chips when his casinos went kaput. time will tell

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Response to big_dog (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:01 PM

11. Carnival Cruz has position himself to take advantage but Trump has not collapsed yet

Cruz is a slimey little rat who is very very mean spirited

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:35 PM

15. I think Cruz is running to push the party rightward and to build support for a SCOTUS appointment

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Response to big_dog (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 04:30 PM

14. What Trump pass long his gain ? !

I think Trump will keep it because he thinks it's his support and it belongs to him. ! Nope, he covets his popularity and will no doubt try to find a way to keep his support base. And he might just do it.

Party secessionist they would be called. They could meet in Trump soup kitchens where split pea soup is the main course.
The topic being course of action. and they can snack on Jersey beef jerky.

I really don't think Trump favors the maple leave this time around.

What would they be called in such circumstances-
rebublican reform- nope- failed old hat stuff

The new republican party
NRP

Gee wizzz, thats scary .


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Response to Wash. state Desk Jet (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 06:19 PM

16. If they screw with Trump, he may just run as a third party candidate to be a king maker

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:07 PM

18. Trump will not let on to what if's but he sure is keeping the guessing game going

As far as passing the trash bag back and fourth from Trump's stand point in it ,all he has to do pick up the trash and toss it in.
Here is what I mean ,California voters sent a clear message to Fiornia- just go away. she got the message,she tossed in her hat in a bid to run for president-,Christie got that message too in New Jersey.

Trump is already on Fiorina and he's essentially forwarding the same message California voters sent- he just used different wording. So the trash talk can go on and on until it comes time to lay it all out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-trades-barbs-with-carly-fiorina/

For now Trump is putting up the numbers .

Paul, he claims he is a result of tea party those Conservatives, but I don't think he has consulted with Sarah Palin much about the core base of tea party, the get out the vote base. Sarah's version of the Boston tea party and what it was all about.
Arizona/Alaska where she was doing the talking ,you know the right to strap on yer side arms ,march in protest ,the right to shoot squirrels freely ,pandering to the young and dumb for the votes. Palin came across as dumb as they come, but who are those who's she were speaking to ? Those who will always come to ma ma, the young and the dumb. Right into the corral, you know blood libel.

Haven't heard from Trump about his views of shrinking government ,have you ?
For the time being Trump has all the ammunition he needs to go after a do nothing congress because what they have shown the country is absolutely nothing.Of course I am talking about the GOP and it's problem ,the tea struggle. And on that note there is just where Trump's staying power is. For how long,who is to say ?





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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 06:47 PM

17. It's a TIE!

They're all LOSERS!

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