Bush links Clinton to rise of Islamic State

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

BURBANK, California (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush will step up his criticism of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her tenure as secretary of state on Tuesday, arguing in a speech on foreign policy the Democratic front-runner shares in the mistakes that he says led to the rise of the Islamic State.

The former Florida governor will also call for a renewed sense of U.S. leadership in the Middle East, which he says is needed to defeat the militant group and an ideology that "is, to borrow a phrase, the focus of evil in the modern world."

"The threat of global jihad, and of the Islamic State in particular, requires all the strength, unity and confidence that only American leadership can provide," Bush will say, according to excerpts of his remarks as prepared for delivery.

In a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, Bush plans to tie the rise of the militant Sunni group to the departure of U.S. forces from Iraq in 2011. IS occupies a large swath of Iraq and Syria, and has a presence elsewhere in the Mideast.

FULL story at link.



FILE - In this Saturday, Aug. 8, 2015, file photo, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush speaks at the RedState Gathering in Atlanta. Bush will step up his criticism of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her tenure as secretary of state on Tuesday, Aug. 11, arguing in a speech on foreign policy the Democratic frontrunner shares in the mistakes that he argues led to the rise of the Islamic State. (AP Photo/David Goldman, File)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e53c7d1d3f674d24b6b597c83be12597/bush-links-clinton-rise-islamic-state

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[bucolic_frolic]

1. The gall of some people

Blame your brother, dimwit.

[candelista]

8. Bush didn't arm ISIS.

Obama started doing it in 2012.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/175685-remember-moderate-rebels-syria-obama-armed-isis-got-weapons/

[louis-t]

12. An idea that was encouraged by McCain and other repugs.

People here were skeptical, and ISIS "got" the weapons by kicking the crap out of the "moderates". You make it sound like Obama gave weapons directly to ISIS.

[candelista]

20. So if McCain told Obama to jump of a cliff, would he do it?

Read the article I cited earlier if you don't know how ISIS got the weapons.

[louis-t]

29. I read the article. Did you?

One of the ways ISIS got the weapons was they captured them from the "Free Syrian Army", just like I said. Then there were the 'moderates' that changed sides and brought weapons with them. They acquired more when the joke of an Iraqi Army dropped their weapons and ran.

As for Obama, there was a lot of pressure at the time, if you recall, in the press and from idiot warmongering repugs to do something. Not the best outcome out of very few options.

[Travis_0004]

35. By that logic bush didnt start the Iraq war

Hilary talked him into it.

[George II]

41. No, it was Saddam Hussein - he needed the attention.

[Kingofalldems]

22. That's a right wing extremist site.

I call bullshit.

Scroll through their team, a bunch of republicans. Isn't that special. Of course they blame Obama, he's responsible for everything.

http://about.ij.com/team/

[candelista]

37. Facts are facts, your Highness.

The world did not begin with your birth.

[emulatorloo]

55. Fact: Right-wing websites lie about democrats and push lies as truth

It reflects very poorly on you that you are pushing these right-wing lie machines on DU.

[leveymg]

38. Here's the same information from the NYT and WaPo. Unfortunately, ISIS sprang out of regime change

operations run by the CIA and State Department in Libya and Syria starting in 2011-- arming al Nusra in Syria with surplus Libyan weapons and Jihadi fighters. ISIS then spread to western central Iraq, and elsewhere, becoming a regional power supported and funded primarily by our "friends" the Qataris and Saudis.

See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6326588 ,

Add one more essential but not sufficient precondition for ISIS: destabilization of Libya and Syria.

Here's a lesser-known set of facts leading to the creation of ISIS:

[dbackjon]

47. Bullshit

[candelista]

57. Refute it or STFU.

I didn't mean that in a bad way.

[Tommy2Tone]

53. Nice hate piece..

Did you CC it to Red State?

[candelista]

58. Disprove it, or give up.

And have a nice day!

[leftynyc]

56. What a piece of shit source

You should be embarrassed at using it here.

[candelista]

59. Prove it's wrong, or consign yourself to silence. Here are other sources:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6326588

Tip of the hat to leveymg, who posted this link above.

[leftynyc]

64. LOL - Newbie likes issuing ORDERS

I will comment whenever and wherever I damn well please. Use right wing sources and you will always get the hammer from me (and I see I'm not alone). Funny how you just happened to have a freeper source so very handy.

[candelista]

67. Here's another order.

Prove I'm wrong.

[leftynyc]

68. LOL

You aren't worth my time.

[George II]

2. WTF? Is he THAT stupid? Is he as stupid as his brother?

EVERYONE knows that a big part of ISIS is composed of Iraqi military men who were summarily dismissed two or three weeks after the invasion.

Let's hope this latest idiotic attack backfires big time.

[riversedge]

51. and Jebber is susposed to be the smart one!!

[tularetom]

3. He's a dolt, but somebody has come up with a good strategy for him

This kind of talk will drive a wedge between Clinton and Obama to the point where she will have to say that she argued for stronger action against ISIS but was unable to convince the president. And it will sound like she is washing her hands of responsibility and blaming Obama for the rise of ISIS, which will not score any brownie points for her with the president's supporters.

If she was smart she wouldn't take the bait but I'm not holding my breath.

[KansDem]

4. Wrong, Jeb. It was your f*cking brother who gave rise to the Islamic state...

Don't forget, he lied us into war and killed 100,000s of people in that region.

Oh, and you think more military action is needed? --

But despite 6,000 airstrikes flown by U.S. and allied forces on Islamic State positions over the past year, American intelligence agencies recently concluded that the group remains a well-funded extremist army able to replenish its ranks with foreign fighters as quickly as the U.S.-led coalition can eliminate them. Meanwhile, the group has expanded to other countries including Libya, Egypt and Afghanistan.

Bush has yet, either on the campaign trail or in the preview of his Tuesday speech released by his campaign, to say exactly what a U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State would look like if he is elected president.

--You can always have the Bush family friends and business partners finance another 9/11-type attack.

[jwirr]

7. And it was his brother who agreed to take the US troops out at a certain date. Like the economic

situation created by his brother the Obama administration was left to deal with the problems created in the bush administration.

[George II]

42. And when Obama complied with BUSH'S agreement and deadline, Obama got all the blame!

[candelista]

10. "Gave rise to...."

The arming of ISIS via the US began in 2012.

Disclaimer: I do not support George or Jeb Bush.

[The CCC]

14. "Gave rise to...."

The military leadership of ISIS is former Baathist Party members whom Bush first fired then armed with his "Surge" in Iraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bremer

[candelista]

16. That's ridiculous.

The Baathists were created by the French occupation and its aftermath. So it was really De Gaulle that caused the whole problem!

[dbackjon]

48. With the lies you spew, are you sure you are on the right forum?

[candelista]

60. Exactly what lies did I "spew"?

Show that Obama didn't ship arms that ended up with ISIS in 2012. If you can't do that, stop objecting.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

5. Yeah, it wasn't American interference which pissed them off. But were they infuriated that we left!

[sarge43]

6. Wow. He really went there.

Secretary Clinton was responsible for an aggressive war justified by a semi load of lies which destabilized a major Middle Eastern nation and left it open to fundamentalist war lords.

Yup. He is the smart one.

[jwirr]

9. Historians will forever start with how we got into the war in the first place and even poppy bush

will fall into that part of the story. We have never belonged over there. But I suppose jeb knows that he has followers who think we needed to go.

[candelista]

11. "The war."

George Bush did not get us into Syria. That was an Obama decision.

[jwirr]

13. Historian are not going to look at this country by country. The bush family wars have destablized

the ME and all of the wars since have stemmed from there. Like WWII it will not be about one country - it will be about one war that led to another war that led to another war and so on.

[restorefreedom]

18. right. it was the bushes that knocked the dominos down. they are responsible for fallout. nt

[jwirr]

27. And I do not even like the dominos theory but it certainly happened in the ME.

[restorefreedom]

39. it definitely isn't perfect

and doesn't explain all the historical complexities. But anytime I have a chance to blame Darth Cheney for something, I'll take it.

[jwirr]

44. LOL Good plan.

[Alittleliberal]

32. Hopefully history will see all involvement in the ME since 1938 for what it is

World powers taking over, slaughtering and destroying stable countries over oil. Leaving power vacuums for evil people to take advantage off, then going in and doing it again for oil. And again. And again.

[jwirr]

34. I think that is the way it will be told. There is absolutely no way that we can look at one country

or era without looking at our dealings in the entire area. I suspect we will even have to look at the renewal of Israel as part of this single story.

[sarge43]

15. Probably go back farther

End of WWII, England and France left a power vacuum there, the two super powers left standing go "Oooo, pickin's" and away we go.

If Afghanistan is where armies go to die, the Middle East is where empires and super powers get their heads handed to them. Best to stay out both places; it seldom ends well.

Yeah, Jebby is just hand jobbing his base and the deep pockets.

[jwirr]

17. I agree totally that this war started as far back as the crusades. and got worse after WWII. Both

Europe and the USA have forever seen this area as a place to plunder for their treasures. Oil after WWII.

[restorefreedom]

19. it all started with cheney

at least in the modern era. he couldn't wait to get his slimy devil claws on that oil.

[candelista]

21. It all started with God.

In His wisdom, He created Cheney, if you believe that stuff too.

[restorefreedom]

24. hard to see

how any God could create cheney and think that was a good thing.

he was birthed a little farther south, if you get my meaning.

[Kingofalldems]

25. Defend those republicans! Aren't they great?

[candelista]

28. Ah, your Royal Majesty!

It is an honor to be addressed by our King, even when your Highness is in error.

[Kingofalldems]

31. Another personal insult with no response to my actual post.

At least you didn't cite another RW extremist site.

[dbackjon]

49. Not sure how the poster you replied to is still allowed on this site.

Not a Democrat

[Kingofalldems]

52. Agree.

[candelista]

61. "Not a Democrat"? Actually, I am a member of my state's Democratic Party.

I am also a socialist. So I sometimes raise criticisms of Democratic candidates and policies from the left. If that bothers you, you should find a way to relieve your discomfort. There is, for example, the "Ignore" button.

[dbackjon]

62. I have no problem with challenges from the left that are factual

But you seem more interested in smearing Hillary with falsehoods.


There are many areas to critique her - this is not one of them.

[Kingofalldems]

63. So as a leftist, you link from a right wing site.

[candelista]

65. Your Majesty!

You don't like my facts? I don't pay much attention to the politics of a source if the facts are right. And they are right, as you should know, in your royal wisdom. Others in this thread have cited sources that may be more to the Royal taste. Let your Majesty's fingers do the walking.

[Kingofalldems]

66. The more you insult my name--it's just a name- the more

obvious you are. I tell you what, you seem perturbed by my responses, why don't you contact Skinner?

[jwirr]

30. LOL Dick will like that theory.

[George II]

43. If daddy Bush hadn't pissed off bin Laden and the al Qaeda that existed in 1991...

...by stationing American troops (including women, which really infuriated him!) on holy land in Saudi Arabia, bin Laden might never have turned on the US. Remember, we were "allies" with bin Laden during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Bush was warned, but he ignored the warnings and it's been all downhill every since.

[restorefreedom]

23. wow is this gonna be an ugly campaign

even uglier than it.s been. as much as i hold all those responsible who voted for the war, including clinton, the vote started, of course, with darth cheney cooking the books, trying to sell people a link between sadam and 911 which never existed, and oh, yeah, who was in that plane that was able to fly out of the country on 911?

there is a lot of blame to go around. but for jebbie to put the blame on clinton while ignoring the role his brother AND HIS FATHER had in setting this all up is typical republican slime and the golden, beaming crown of hypocrisy.

[Roland99]

26. Classic Republican projection. Jebya foists Dubya's failings onto Hillary

[candelista]

33. I don't know if Hillary had anything to do with Syria or not.

Obama did not allow her into his inner foreign policy circle.

[cosmicone]

36. We'll need Iran and Syria to get rid of ISIS.

If Netanyahu had not thrown a tantrum about "line in sand", "crossing the red line" etc. ISIS would have withered.

Now, the only option is to arm Iran and Syria.

[Xithras]

40. ISIS was the result of a string of failures by two consecutive administrations.

Clinton certainly shares some of the blame for her myopic response to the Syrian insurrection. Rather than recognizing the inherent instability in the ME and using her influence to pursue a diplomatic solution to the Syrian crisis, she fanned the flames by supporting the military insurrection and repeatedly swatting down attempts by Assad to resolve the rebellion peacefully (including the rejection of an Assad offer to amend the constitution to allow true multiparty democracy in the nation). As recently as 2014, Clinton is on record as saying that our biggest mistake in Syria was that we failed to arm and support the rebels when they needed us. As if MORE WEAPONS AND DESTRUCTION was the solution.

Ultimately, the invasion and occupation of Iraq under Bush the Dumber was the action that set the ball rolling and created the fertile ground for ISIS to operate on, and they cut their teeth fighting against American soldiers (and let us not forget that Abu Bakr met his fellow future ISIS co-leaders while interned at an American prison camp after the invasion). But the Obama administrations unwavering support of the Wahabbi-dominated Saudi government and Clinton's hawkish take on the situation allowed ISIS to grow into what we see today.

There's plenty of blame to go around.

[rladdi]

45. It's the agenda or mission of all Republican candidate to blast Clinton. They have nothing

to run on. Will banning abortions, de funding education, stop people from voting, take away healthcare, that is all there mission is to take that all away. Only the radicals, few gun rights people, senile and the dead will vote Republican.

[rladdi]

46. Jeb needs to look no further than within his own family, G. Bush who started the IRAQ WAR.

That has created the worst decisions every by a President. But we understand G. Bush was a drunk in College, lowest grade point, so had no brains other then K. Rowe and D. Cheney to lead him.

[MisterP]

50. yeah, she just voted for IWR and created the Libya and Syria cluserfucks out of whole cloth

[Gothmog]

54. Jeb is grasping at straws-this is so very weak