Trump narrows Clinton gap to just six points: poll

[candelista]

Source: AFP

Washington (AFP) - Real estate mogul Donald Trump is growing increasingly competitive in a general election matchup against Hillary Clinton, trailing the Democratic frontrunner by six points in a Wednesday poll that shows the race tightening.

Trump leads the broad Republican field by double digits. The political neophyte has dominated media coverage since he launched his campaign in June, steadily narrowing the gap against Clinton, according to a CNN/ORC poll which has tracked such matchups for months.

Clinton now leads Trump by 51 percent to 45 percent, a dramatically more competitive race than July's 56-40 spread and June's 59-35, the poll results showed.

Trump registered gains among Republicans and Republican-leading independents, whose support surged from 67 percent in July to 79 percent now; men (from 46 percent in July to 53 percent now); and white voters (from 50 percent to 55 percent).

The results show the bombastic billionaire is not just resilient in the early stages of the race -- he is improving his standing despite constant controversy.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/trump-narrows-clinton-gap-just-six-points-poll-144149360.html

[Frustratedlady]

1. This whole situation of Trump support shows how successful the Republicans...

have been at dumbing down the population.

Can it ever be reversed?

[candelista]

3. Trump is a psychopath, but....

...He is addressing issues that a lot of Americans are concerned about. It is not "dumb" to worry about the impact on US wages of uncontrolled immigration, which is his main issue.

[RockaFowler]

7. Then go after the corporations

He's going after people. He has never mentioned anything about wages

[candelista]

13. Right about corporations, wrong about Trump and wages.

Last edited Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)

"The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working-class Americans ... to earn a middle-class wage."

--Donald Trump

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/19/trump_flunks_immigration_127811.html

Disclaimer: I do not support Trump for Prez.

[Kingofalldems]

9. Can you give us a Trump quote about wages?

Ah, you rec'd your own thread.

[candelista]

14. Read this.

"The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working-class Americans ... to earn a middle-class wage."

--Donald Trump

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/19/trump_flunks_immigration_127811.html

Disclaimer: I do not support Trump for Prez.

As far as recommending my own post, that is permissible on DU. If the management didn't approve of it, they simply would not allow it.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Yeah Trump is really concerned about wages.

Of course he doesn't want unions to organize:

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aKS7TjMyNjUzfDY1MDEwMTk0SIdvz8Le_-jiyxGd68-dWy-MVFTFkcNuaNK-f0Ewmyg=

[candelista]

23. You asked for a quote. I gave you a quote.

I never said he was "pro-union." So try attacking something I really said, and not some straw man.

[Kingofalldems]

24. Just posted evidence Trump not concerned about wages.

Sorry you don't like it.

[candelista]

25. Another distortion.

I never said Trump was "concerned" about anything. I quoted his statement on immigraton and said that this was resonating with lots of Americans, who are not stupid to be concerned about it.

So you recast and distorted my message, as you have often done in the past.

This is the last time I will read any of your posts, and my last reply to you on any subject.

[pocoloco]

26. ....and the crime that come with it!

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_crime.html

[randys1]

28. Uncontrolled immigration? wow, and on DU no less

[candelista]

30. Well, what would you call it? "Semi-controlled"?

Or "quasi-controlled." That might be better. There is some immigration enforcement.

[randys1]

35. Were you aware there is a net ZERO of illegal immigration at the moment?

Or close to it.

So we have no problem unless you want to send people born here and their families away?

I want to send white people, including myself, away, we dont fucking belong here, not at all.

[EL34x4]

42. Where would you like to send white people?

I guess we could all go back to Europe. I'm sure they'd have no problem absorbing 250+ million white Americans and Canadians.

[randys1]

45. I would like to send them to a mandatory class at their local Junior College

where they can get a fucking history lesson and learn why they should shut their mouths and be very grateful they get to be here at all, let alone demanding Brown people be evicted from their own land.

[candelista]

49. A little political re-education?

You might consider sending them to camps where they can be indoctrinated 24/7.

[candelista]

44. (1) No one knows the net immigration rate.

(2) If it has gone down to zero (which no one knows), it's because our economy has been sick, and hasn't been offering many jobs. Wait till things pick up again.

[randys1]

48. goodbye

[Bryce Butler]

36. Jury results

On Wed Aug 19, 2015, 04:22 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Trump is a psychopath, but....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1181843

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster seems to be here to promote right-wing talking points, ie. "uncontrolled immigration" in this post. A quick search of their other posts shows a pattern of disruption and Trump sympathizing.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Aug 19, 2015, 04:25 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not hideworthy.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wrong website?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't want to take about that issue because it's one the REPUBLICANS want to talk about, and therefore I'm going to alert on the post? FUCK THAT!!!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[candelista]

50. Thanks for posting this. nt

[LannyDeVaney]

41. Repealing the 14 Amendment ...

and threatening immigrants with slavery is not "addressing issues".

Seriously.

[randys1]

46. No, it is disgusting and sickening and has NO place here at DU

[candelista]

47. "Slavery"?

That was that other guy, Jan something-or-other. Not Donald.

Disclaimer: I do not support Trump for President.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. Only if there is a one year ban on television. We are seeing bad TV and reality show brain atrophy

[elleng]

6. Difficult to do; they've worked on it for years,

are propaganda pros, and have $$$ on their side. I'm very pessimistic on this one. Fits with U.S. anti-intellectual bent.

[840high]

19. Perhaps it shows how

dissatisfied the population is.

[truthisfreedom]

2. His platform consists of screaming "GET THE HELL

OUT OF MY YARD!!!" louder than any of the other candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/birthright-citizenship-trump-constitution/index.html

[candelista]

4. That's why he's doing well in the polls.

Americans are justifiably worried about the impact of unlimited illegal immigration on wages and salaries. Bernie has been worried about this, too. Here's what he said as recently as July 30, 2015.

But here’s where I do have concerns,” he continued. “There is a reason why Wall Street and all of corporate America likes immigration reform, and it is not, in my view, that they’re staying up nights worrying about undocumented workers in this country. What I think they are interested in is seeing a process by which we can bring low-wage labor of all levels into this country to depress wages for Americans, and I strongly disagree with that.”

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/

[pampango]

27. Most Americans, even republicans, support a path to citizenship & comprehensive

immigration reform.

Americans are justifiably worried about the impact of unlimited illegal immigration on wages and salaries.

If you have referenced polls to show this extent of this "justifiable worry" of Americans I have missed it. Polls do show that Americans know that 'self-deportation' does not work, neither would forcible deportation and that comprehensive reform including a path to citizenship is the best way to go.

Romney proposed 'self-deportation' as his immigration policy. Trump is just appealing to the same nativist base of the republican party and taking that anti-immigrant rhetoric to the next 'logical' step - forcible deportation.

Of course, no Democrats are proposing "unlimited illegal immigration".

Scaring voters with things that do not exist is a typical RW scare tactic. They love to hate the mythical "open borders" liberals who promote 'unlimited illegal immigration' but they don't exist in reality. They love to scare us with 'unlimited' Muslim terrorism, 'unlimited' big government, 'unlimited' gay marriage, 'unlimited' higher taxes, etc. Scaring people about fictitious 'unlimited' evils is just what they do to get elected.

[candelista]

38. Then why is Trump doing so well in the polls?

Immigration is his main issue, and the main reason for his support.

[pampango]

39. Because some (~25%) republicans agree with his hardline position on immigration. Most do not.

25%, of course, is not a majority but a rather small percentage of the most conservative political party. Since the polls show that a majority of republicans support a path to citizenship, my guess is they are among the 75% of republicans who do not support Trump's stance on immigration.

[candelista]

40. :)

...my guess is they are among the 75% of republicans who do not support Trump's stance on immigration.

Your "guess" is doubtful.

Those 75% are the mirror image of Hillary supporters, who don't think Bernie can win.

[pampango]

43. 75% of republicans are not favoring Trump. Since immigration, as you say, is his "main" issue,

and polls show that a majority of republicans (56%) favor a path to legal status, that is likely the reason. Polls show that 40-45% of republicans oppose allowing them to stay legally (Trump's policy) so his poll numbers have room to improve from the current 25% range.

He is well suited for the republican party since they don't like immigrants (legal or illegal) very much. By 63%-27% they view all immigrants negatively while independents and Democrats view immigrants favorably - by 57-36% and 62-32% respectively.

While he has room to improve his standing in republican polls since his is preaching to the choir with his anti-immigrant message, his immigration policy won't get him far in the general election since only 23% of independents (3-1 in favor of a path to legal status) and 19% of Democrats (4-1 for such a path) agree with his immigration position of deportation.



http://www.people-press.org/2015/06/04/broad-public-support-for-legal-status-for-undocumented-immigrants/

[underpants]

8. Sounds like the numbers Obama won two landslides with

Just saying

[Amishman]

10. how much of this is Trump gaining and how much is Hillary sinking?

I would be curious to see how Trump vs Bernie polling has trended, if such data exists.

[Springslips]

34. Post number 8 has the answer.

It's basically the electorate shown in the poll.

[JI7]

11. looks like he is mostly getting the usual republican votes

That Romney and mccain got

[heaven05]

12. the "popularity" of trump

just shows me one thing. It shows where many of the citizens of this country stand now, hell always have really. It ain't nice, so I won't say it. And not just on where this trump POS stands on race.

[bluestateguy]

15. Which translates to 340-350 electoral votes

Obama won by 4% and 332 electoral votes.

a 6 point spread is all the Obama states, plus North Carolina.

Sounds good to me.

[ellisonz]

16. These poll respondents are clearly losers because they should all be for Trump 100%. n/t

[mak3cats]

17. I think what this shows is an American public tired of politics as usual...

...and Donald Trump is the only "outsider" candidate being given any media attention. I think that if the M$M ended their Bernie blackout, and let the public see what Bernie is about, a lot of those tired citizens would have an alternative. Then, we'd see some measurable activity away from this bloviating buffoon.

(And, please, no one tell me that there is no "Bernie blackout." If any of the other candidates were pulling in the record crowds like he's doing, we'd be hearing about it 24/7. His rallies rarely even get a mention, much less any real coverage.)

[C Moon]

18. The GOP thought Trump was a joke and wished him away...

Man: I don't think he's going to go anywhere.
It's a scary country we live in, folks.

[geek tragedy]

20. That's Obama-McCain numbers, which also produced massive majorities for us in the House.

I'll take that.

Trump is at his high water mark. He's on a stage with a coalition of the milquetoast and the crazy.

Against a single opponent with sharp ideological differences, he'd get eaten up in the general election.

[DaveT]

21. It is not that Trump is gaining on Hillary

The entire GOP field is gaining on her. Note how Scott Walker is also just six points back.

The show in Cleveland garnered a lot of attention for the Clown Car, and since then, just about every news cycle has been dominated by whatever In Your Face comment just came out the mouth of Trump or Huckabee or Cruz. So every GOP candidate has benefited from all the attention.

But, also -- there is a seething anger, across all the demographic segments of our polity, against the obvious fraudulence and corruption of the entire political system. The GOP electorate of course always likes to fancy itself as Anti-Establishment, even as they vote to perpetuate it, election cycle after election cycle. But this election season, the anger is real, albeit ignorantly aimed by our jolly fellow citizens known as Angry White Men. This is what really drives the Trump boom -- the article shows that is where his support is coming from.

2016 is not a good year for Inevitable Candidates with names like Clinton or Bush.

[LiberalLovinLug]

31. Be careful what you wish for

I've been a lone voice on this but I can see Trump taking the R nomination, if simply for the fact of the dismal competition. Add to that his "outsider" cred. But more than that, 'merica loves brash, outspoken personalities. Especially bigger-than-life celebrity blowhards. Add to that that he is rich. Corporate networks have created all kinds of shows that idolize wealth and the wealthy class and conditioned the population to regard them as a kind of royalty. We used to have Leave It to Beaver, Father Knows Best, and Ozzie and Harriet in the '50's about the lives of middle class workers. Then later we had All in the Family and Sanford and Son. Following that Roseanne etc..

Then we started seeing shows like The Simple Life with Paris Hilton that attempted to humanize or make light of the disparaging differences between the classes. We had all kinds of Real Housewives of...., which was made up of anything BUT everyday working housewives. Today we have the Kardashians to aspire to. Even such things like shows on The Food Network that feature meals to lust over that would cost some people a weeks worth of grocery money just to buy the ingredients.

What I'm saying is that the TV consumer has been conditioned now to think "greed is good". And that we should cheer on Trumps boorish behaviour both on his show The Apprentice, and on this run for office.


And if it does end up with Trump vs. Hillary, I wouldn't be so cocky. It would be the candidate that is sealed off in a bubble, avoiding debates and spotlight, against someone who thrives in the spotlight, has an opinion about everything, and is willing to say just about anything to get attention.

[Beacool]

32. Trump is a temporary distraction.

The Republican base will sooner or later tire of him. I doubt that the base will vote for him in enough numbers to win him the nomination.

[PSPS]

33. Nonsense.

Even if the GOP candidate were Jared Fogle, the media would make sure it was a horse race because they have ad slots to sell.

[libdem4life]

37. This is starting to feel like California during the Reagan run and also Arnold Schwarzenneger.

Larger than life...doesn't care about criticism...and people eat it up.