NOAA: July 2015 Was Warmest Month Ever Recorded for Globe

[Hissyspit]

Source: NBC News

@BreakingNews: RT @breakingstorm: July 2015 is warmest month ever recorded for globe, NOAA says - @NOAA http://t.co/vlxpwnKpIG/s/x_cQ

The July average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.46°F (0.81°C) above the 20th century average. As July is climatologically the warmest month for the year, this was also the all-time highest monthly temperature in the 1880–2015 record, at 61.86°F (16.61°C), surpassing the previous record set last year in 2014 by 0.14°F (0.08°C).

Read more: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201507

[JDPriestly]

1. K&R because this is the most important news story out there today, next month, for the year.

We have to stop using fossil fuels. And we have to plant trees, at least one tree for every tree that is cut.

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. and for trees that are burning by the millions all over the West.

But...if the drought continues.........

[JDPriestly]

4. Yes.

[tclambert]

16. And yet mine was only the 20th rec.

It seems like people don't think it is very important, even here. I don't know, maybe a lot of people have given up. I hope it will change. I think next year it may change.

[chernabog]

17. And we have to stop eating meat

[JDPriestly]

19. But when we stop eating meat, animals become unimportant.

If we stop eating cows, cows will become extinct. They aren't animals we harbor in zoos or on reservations. Same for chickens. They will have to survive in the wild after having been made so domestic that they have a tough time. Even more so for domestic turkeys. And pigs???? Who is going to save the pigs if we aren't eating them?

If we could eat wolves, we would probably have more of them.

Vegetarianism is not the solution people think it is.

I tried to eat a vegetarian diet when I was young and got sick from it. It does not work for everyone.

[chernabog]

21. This is a joke right?

[former9thward]

22. What's a joke?

Every word is true.

[chernabog]

23. Animal agriculture

Is one of the greatest causes of climate change.
He's taking about we have to eat animals to save animals. I had to lol because it must be a joke.

[former9thward]

24. I am not going to stop eating meat.

And no one who wants to eat meat is going to stop. His point about cows, pigs, chickens, etc. was absolutely true. They only remain in existence because we eat them.

[chernabog]

25. Hey guess what

They also won't exist when earth gets too fucking hot for them to live because you choose to not stop eating animals.
What a great attitude you have.
There are wild chickens, there are wild pigs. If you want a cow so bad, keep it as a pet. You don't give a fuck about these animals unless you are eating them.

[CreekDog]

56. that's bullsh*t, literally

These animals can go feral, just as many species do.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/227656663_Feral_cattle_of_Swona_Orkney_Islands

Are you wrong all the time or just most of the time?

It seems your boldest statements are those that you have done the least research (I'm guessing in this case NO research).

[former9thward]

60. Ok my stalker friend

stop eating meat and see what happens. Of course you won't do that. You just want to post snarky posts.

[CreekDog]

61. you seem to want us to ignore that you agreed with JDPriestly

in that farm animals would go extinct if we stop eating meat.

can't say i blame you for that, but wouldn't it be easier to just not agree with stupid stuff in the first place so that you don't have to pretend you didn't do it later on?

ah, but that requires the effort to actually study or think about the topic in question, and perhaps that's just too much work to be bothered with, when the "post my reply" button works whether you're making up a grandiosely false conclusion or a well-founded true one.

[former9thward]

65. Why would I want you -- or "us" as you like to say

to ignore anything? I am not pretending anything. Again stop eating meat if you agree with that stupid premise. See how far it gets you. More for the rest of "us".

[CreekDog]

57. No, are you trying to sound like Archie Bunker, extemporizing without benefit of thinking?

Animals can go feral, and frequently do. Here's an example of a feral cattle herd.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/227656663_Feral_cattle_of_Swona_Orkney_Islands

They are quite living and quite NOT extinct.

Sometimes you guys just start talking and just think because you've worked it out in your heads and strung the right set of words together that this makes you correct.

How about studying or reading something scientifically and concluding based on actual information and scientific reasoning rather than just relying only on your intellectual creativity?

You sometimes make these bold statements about things that you clearly haven't studied or read a scholarly thing about --things that are knowable and yet, you clearly make bold statements that are wrong because you haven't bothered to study the thing you're talking about.

[JDPriestly]

58. Feral animals eat and produce carbon dioxide. How would we save the environment if instead of

raising meat for food, we just let them be feral and free?

I don't understand your thinking.

[CreekDog]

59. My god, you don't even remember (or understand) what you posted

you said these animals will become extinct if we stop eating them.



no, not really, and I gave you an example.

now you are arguing some other thing.

why am I surprised you don't understand this topic. you don't even understand your own posts, it's like you're a random word generator sometimes, i swear.

[FLPanhandle]

26. No, we have to stop having children

Too many damn people on this planet.

[chernabog]

27. Your post makes it seem like it's one or the other

If you have no kids and you still eat meat, you are still greatly contributing to climate change.

[Indydem]

31. Better turn off your computer.

Using electricity for your computer, Internet, lights, and cooling is a lot more responsible than hamburgers.

It will also be nice to stop hearing your drivel on this website.

[chernabog]

33. Electricity is a necesseity

Hamburgers are not. Why don't you at least try to curb climate change?
People like you are the reason nothing is getting done.

[Indydem]

36. Plenty of people live without electricity.

You want us all to eat tofu and corn meal mush, but you won't do without your internet and air conditioning?

Hypocrite.

[chernabog]

37. Tofu and corn meal mush?

wow, you really are clueless.

[Indydem]

41. So what exactly would we eat in your little utopia?

There is no eggs, bacon, ham, beef, chicken, milk, cheese, butter, yogurt, or chocolate.

Plenty of tofu and corn meal though!!

[chernabog]

43. Try and use your brain to think a little bit harder

Vegetables, wheat, seeds, nuts, beans, there's also this neat food called "fruit". Um, potatoes are good too.

[Indydem]

45. And how much more land and diesel will it take...

To feed 7 billion people nuts berries, fruits and potatoes?

Probably not going to allow GMOs either in your utopia?

[chernabog]

46. It will take much less land and fuel

[Indydem]

48. Right.

Ok. Well. I guess we will have to disagree passionately.

I have 99% of the world on my side.

Go enjoy your tofu with the 1%.

[chernabog]

50. I can post a bunch of links but I'm sure you won't read them

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/eat-for-the-planet-meat-and-the-environment/

[randys1]

52. 99% are on your side how? You mean in that they want to eat meat?

You might be right if that is what you meant.

Surely we all agree our bodies and planet would be infinitely more healthy if we were all vegetarians, can we agree to this?

We need to, it is undeniable.

Now, I am not a vegetarian and the one time I tried a veggie burger at a fast food joint I threw away the patty and ate the bread and veggies, it was that bad.

So I am by no means saying YOU should do something I wont do, but we have to agree to obvious facts, dont we?

[chernabog]

53. Are you saying

You and he should not try and help the planet by giving up meat?
Why? It's pretty much the easiest thing you can do to help.

[randys1]

54. I said the opposite, i thought

[CreekDog]

62. you also have this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6172818&mesg_id=6172874

[Indydem]

63. I asked a real question.

And ta-da! That's what he ended up doing - making all of those fuckers look like fools.

I thought he should do it earlier because it hurt me to see him smeared.

He did it later to make them all look like idiots.

But that's ok - I don't run and delete my old posts. I leave them as a record of my thoughts.

[tabasco]

55. Livestock agriculture requires much more acreage than plant agriculture.

Your bitter responses indicate that you are closed-minded on the topic, for some reason.

Livestock production occupies 70% of all land used for agriculture, or 30% of the land surface of the planet. It is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gases, responsible for 18% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalents. By comparison, all transportation emits 13.5% of the CO2. It produces 65% of human-related nitrous oxide (which has 296 times the global warming potential of CO2,) and 37% of all human-induced methane (which is 23 times as warming as CO2).

Number of people whose caloric needs can be met on 2.5 acres of land for the following foods


http://www.vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/PDR37-4.Smil_.pgs613-636.pdf

http://www.kalaharilionresearch.org/2015/01/16/human-vs-livestock-vs-wild-mammal-biomass-earth/

https://books.google.com/books?id=ishlcmQuatoC&pg=PA293&lpg=PA293#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://web.archive.org/web/20080625012113/http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.pdf

[jalan48]

3. This should be a priority in the election.

This is one issue where Democrats and Republicans have obvious differences of opinion.

[tclambert]

18. I think this issue could win 2016 for the Democrats.

In January, we will get news that 2015 set a new record for warmest year . . . by a lot (.15 to .2 degrees C).
In September, 2016 (if not this September), all the ice in the Arctic Ocean will melt for the first time. That will be hard to ignore.
Republicans will splutter some sort of irrational denialist crap, but people will increasingly see these stories that can't be denied.

[jpak]

5. but...but...but...JEB et al. sez NO!!!!!11111

idiots

yup

[NCjack]

6. Someone send a snowball to Sen. Inhofe (OK-R). He's not an Earth Scientist,

but he plays one in the senate.

[4lbs]

7. This greenhouse effect of gradually increasing recorded highs is due to 3 combined things:

1.) The more than tripling of the human population in 100 years. In 1900 the world human population was 2 billion. In 2000 it was over 6 billion. It now stands at 7 billion.

2.) The increasing rate at which carbon dioxide, the major greenhouse gas, is expelled into the atmosphere. This is due to the increased use of fossil fuels over the 20th Century, as well as the tripling of the human population.

3.) The decrease in plant life (notably the Amazon rainforest) that can convert this carbon dioxide into oxygen.

This increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere forms a virtual blanket around the earth, trapping heat and gradually raising global temperatures.

Some of this carbon dioxide mixes with moisture in the clouds and water in the oceans, to form carbonic acid. This causes, over time, rain and oceans to become slightly more acidic.

[harun]

9. One thing. The CO2 PPM which is from burning fossil fuels.

All the extra CO2 has expanded the amount of plant life to take it in. It will be no where near enough to ever put a dent in the amount we are pumping out in terms of burning fossil fuels.

Rainforest depletion is a myth from the Reagan years used to try and keep the Latin American commies from having real economies by hampering their development of big agriculture.

[4lbs]

10. It's actually happened. According to the Centre for International Forestry Research (CIFOR) in

their 2004 report:

Between 1991 and 2000, the total area of forest lost in the Amazon rose from 415,000 to 587,000 square kilometres (160,000 to 227,000 sq mi), with most of the lost forest becoming pasture for cattle.Seventy percent of formerly forested land in the Amazon, and 91% of land deforested since 1970, is used for livestock pasture. Currently, Brazil is the second-largest global producer of soybeans after the United States. New research however, conducted by Leydimere Oliveira et al., has shown that the more rainforest is logged in the Amazon, the less precipitation reaches the area and so the lower the yield per hectare becomes. So despite the popular perception, there has been no economical advantage for Brazil from logging rainforest zones and converting these to pastoral fields.

The needs of soy farmers have been used to justify many of the controversial transportation projects that are currently developing in the Amazon. The first two highways successfully opened up the rainforest and led to increased settlement and deforestation. The mean annual deforestation rate from 2000 to 2005 (22,392 km2 or 8,646 sq mi per year) was 18% higher than in the previous five years (19,018 km2 or 7,343 sq mi per year). Deforestation has declined significantly in the Brazilian Amazon since 2004.




So, the Amazon rainforest has lost 227,000 sq mi up to 2000, and then additional 8,600 sq mi each year from 2000 to 2005. That is almost 270,000 sq mi. While deforestation has decreased significantly since 2004, the lost 270,000 sq mi haven't been recovered.

EDIT:

How big is 270,000 sq mi? Well, the area of Texas is more than 268,000 sq mi. So, the amount of Amazon rainforest lost is equal to the size of Texas.

[harun]

14. There's other plants/crops growing in its place. Not as good but it isn't like it was turned in to

an asphalt parking lot.

[NickB79]

15. Other plants in their place? You have no idea how this works, do you?

The biomass stored in one acre of 2-ft tall soybeans absolutely PALES in comparison to the biomass (and thus carbon) stored in a 150-ft tall, layered rainforest. We're talking an order of magnitude difference here, and that doesn't even begin to take into account the massive amounts of fossil fuels then needed to work the land.

And in some cases, the land does indeed come to resemble a parking lot, as the clay soils bake until they're rock-hard laterite which most plants can't grow through.

[harun]

29. I was responding to CO2 absorption in terms of CO2 ppm.

A farm does have a better CO2 absorption than a parking lot, and no they don't turn them in to giant clay bakes.

You are missing the bigger point. This problem needs to be attacked on the individual level first. Thinking we need to somehow influence farmers in a country not our own is just lying to ourselves. It isn't intellectually honest.

I mean we eat food, we drive to work, we are the problem. What can we do better, not what can we make poor farmers in latin america do better. It's just hypocritical and stupid.

[niyad]

8. scary. but, we are continually told that c3 (catastrophic climate change) is a myth.

[xocet]

11. Sen. Inhofe's favorite scientific journal...

[turbinetree]

12. Barometer...........................

http://www.weather.com/science/environment/news/glacier-national-park-big-trouble-says-ken-burns-20140826


This little bit of information should tell everyone what is happening in the Rocky Mountains, Cascades and Serra Nevada ranges, and if you really want to know the barometer of the planet just take a look at the pine trees, on what they are doing to survive they are going to higher elevation's--------------- Harper's magazine had a great piece and so did the American Prospect on climate change


And all the climate deniers say what about this little issue like the Infofe, Rubio, Trump, Huckabee, Walker, Christie, and any others in the republican clown car driving down the road going into a ditch and all the republicans sitting on there butts today on vacation in Congress-------------- again----------- and counting on a due nothing again Congress to do something, think again---------------not much----------------because remember there not scientists, and just because we just have satellites mapping the globe and telling us that this planet is in trouble, it's all a lie

[Gothmog]

13. Global warming not slowing - it's speeding up

[tclambert]

20. "Five months this year, including the past three, have been record warm for their respective months.

January was the second warmest January on record and April third warmest."

The report concludes: The human race is now well and truly fucked.

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.

[GliderGuider]

30. This short metaphor may help people understand our situation

The human experiment is caught in what I call a carbon trap. Our continued existence depends on the very thing that is killing us: the combustion of the planet's ancient carbon stocks.

We are in a cell whose bars are made of carbon. The door swung closed when the atmosphere reached 300 ppm of CO2, and the lock snapped shut 50 ppm later. There is no key that will re-open it.

The trap was constructed well outside of our conscious view or understanding.

It was designed by our evolved desires for status, material comfort and security.

It was built with the best of intentions by well-meaning scientists and engineers whose knowledge of the consequences was both incomplete and obfuscated by their own evolved desires.

The strength of the bars comes from the thermodynamics of carbon combustion - an energetic process with a very steep gradient. Once we descend that gradient we would have to harness over twice the energy to climb back up again. We need the energy to keep things running (which is the reason we burned the carbon in the first place), the same amount of energy to break the molecular bonds and turn the CO2 back into harmless carbon and oxygen, and a little more to pay the Pied Piper of Entropy.

Most of us distract ourselves by creating and admiring elaborate appointments for our carbon-clad prison.

Most of those who are aware of the bars spend their time dreaming of ways to slip through them into the world they can see outside. They face one insurmountable problem. While the light of awareness can slip between the carbon bars, our bodies cannot.

Those who are fully aware of the trap understand that we now need it to survive. We are collective victims of what complex systems scientists call "path dependence": where we came from and how we got here limits what is now possible for us to do.

One of the things we can't to is simply to open the door and leave. Even the fact that our carbon-barred prison is now on fire can't change the cold equations. We are condemned to stay until the very walls burn down, when a few soot-blackened survivors may stumble out into the blasted and barren landscape left behind by the construction project.

Have a nice weekend.

[Indydem]

32. And when we have the energy?

Almost nothing is being spent on fusion development that could give us the energy to split co2.

If you want a solution, we need to be looking at ways to undo what has already been done and either mega efficient solar or fusion are the only candidates.

Everyone seems to act like the only way to stop/ survive climate change is to regress technologically and culturally - not make a quantum leap forward.

[chernabog]

34. Eating meat is an extreme cultural regression

and greatly contributes to climate change. Why don't you take your own advice and make that quantum leap?

[Indydem]

35. Regression is not moving forward.

Are you a republican? That is their mantra.

I am talking about not regressing because of fear - but progressing. Not only beyond climate change, but to the stars.

[chernabog]

38. You sound like the republican

Not doing what you can to try and stop climate change. Are you afraid to give up meat?

[Indydem]

39. Not afraid.

Absolutely unwilling.

I am not going to adjust my diet for you.

Sorry.

Eat a bunch of tofu for me. I'll eat your portion of delicious cow.

[chernabog]

40. Don't adjust your diet for me

Do it for the Earth. I know it may sound scary not having all that ground up flesh, but it's really not.

[Indydem]

42. I prefer mine not ground up, generally.

Unless it's by my own teeth.

Delicious.

The earth will get along fine. Even if I keep eating a delicious hunk of animal flesh at every meal. Or 2. Or 3.

Non nom.

[chernabog]

44. How do you figure that?

http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/

[Indydem]

47. Because I don't want us to be living like cave men.

I'll put my faith in science. Not mysticism.

Also not going to use a site called cowspiracy as a reference.

Try science.

http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/newsrel/science/04-07CO2split.asp

[chernabog]

49. Your posts really make no sense

http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
every fact posted has a link. - No mysticism there...no idea wtf you're talking.

The link you posted has nothing to with what I posted.

[tabasco]

51. Can't be true.

A senator had a snowball in Congress.

[Quixote1818]

64. This is a major El Nino year like 1998

Probably going to be big spike this year and then it will take several more non El Nino years to beat this year.