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swag

(26,487 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:52 PM May 2012

JPMorgan Discloses $2 Billion in Trading Losses

Source: New York Times

JPMorgan Chase disclosed on Thursday that a trading group had suffered “significant” losses in a portfolio of credit investments, with chief executive Jamie Dimon estimating losses at $2 billion in a conference call.

“These were egregious mistakes,” Mr. Dimon said on the call. “They were self-inflicted and this is not how we want to run a business.”

The troubles at the unit, the so-called Chief Investment Office that makes trades to balance the bank’s assets and liabilities, are expected to weigh on the bank’s broader earnings.

For example, the corporate group, which includes the Chief Investment Office, is now expected to lose $800 million in the second quarter, the company said in the filing. Previously, JPMorgan had estimated that the group would report net income of roughly $200 million.

Ultimately, JPMorgan said the final tally will depend on the markets and other actions by the bank. Mr. Dimon added that it could “easily get worse.”



Read more: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/jpmorgan-discloses-significant-losses-in-trading-group/

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JPMorgan Discloses $2 Billion in Trading Losses (Original Post) swag May 2012 OP
Oops..... DeSwiss May 2012 #1
In the meantime, the guys over at Goldman Sachs made an extra $2 billion.... DCKit May 2012 #2
It's the hedge funds now that have JP Morgan Chase by the shorts FarCenter May 2012 #22
No bailouts JP, and Dimon no bonus for you this year. sarcasmo May 2012 #3
And how many billion in bonuses? Vidar May 2012 #4
What? With all of their computers and analysts and algorithms and whatnot? truthisfreedom May 2012 #5
So much money, so little time to lose it all. originalpckelly May 2012 #6
synthetic credit portfolio ? NeoConsSuck May 2012 #7
A collection of very highly leveraged bets on whether certain loans will be paid off. n/t PoliticAverse May 2012 #12
Portfolio Based on Another Portfolio erpowers May 2012 #14
Idon't know about JP morgan but I can go into the local bank and invest with Goldman Sachs.. peace13 May 2012 #8
So step down, Dimon. Personal responsibility, remember! CanonRay May 2012 #9
Fire Jamie Dimon erpowers May 2012 #10
What does such a loss mean to their tax liabilities? Trillo May 2012 #11
JPMorgan Woes Signal Trouble for Banks, Market: Fast Pros Purveyor May 2012 #13
Well we all know what they need to do now zeemike May 2012 #15
And just three weeks ago, Jamie "Bankster" Dimon was saying it was all just a "tempest in a teapot" brentspeak May 2012 #16
And they will get bonuses for keeping the losses small. ChairmanAgnostic May 2012 #17
Is it time yet for another bailout? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #18
was that $2 billion.... unkachuck May 2012 #19
Why Didn't Dodd-Frank Prevent This Sort Of Thing DallasNE May 2012 #20
I am not sure Dodd-Frank is fully implemented yet hack89 May 2012 #24
Losing in the London casino FarCenter May 2012 #21
"poorly constructed, poorly reviewed, poorly executed, and poorly monitored." underpants May 2012 #23
"it could easily get worse.” Renew Deal May 2012 #25
This is a HUGE story, folks dbackjon May 2012 #26
 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
2. In the meantime, the guys over at Goldman Sachs made an extra $2 billion....
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:04 PM
May 2012

by frontrunning all of JPM's trades.

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
5. What? With all of their computers and analysts and algorithms and whatnot?
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:14 PM
May 2012

How can sh*t like this happen, for real?

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
14. Portfolio Based on Another Portfolio
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:16 PM
May 2012

As Far as I know it is a portfolio based on an actual portfolio.

"Synthetic credit products are derivatives that generate gains and losses tied to credit performance without the owner buying or selling actual debt. The losses occurred as the company sought to unwind a portfolio of the instruments used to hedge JPMorgan’s credit exposure."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-10/jpmorgan-chase-says-cio-unit-suffered-significant-loss.html

For a better explanation you might want to watch Money, Power, and Wall Street, which was an episode of Frontline.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
8. Idon't know about JP morgan but I can go into the local bank and invest with Goldman Sachs..
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:37 PM
May 2012

and it will be FDIC insured. Go figure.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
10. Fire Jamie Dimon
Thu May 10, 2012, 06:44 PM
May 2012

Considering his bank lost $2 billion Dimon should be fired. Dimon is the CEO, he should have been on top of this.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
13. JPMorgan Woes Signal Trouble for Banks, Market: Fast Pros
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:15 PM
May 2012

In the wake of a stunning after hours announcement from JPMorgan, the Fast Money say you may need to re-evaluate everything.

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Although information was still coming together at the time of writing, the Fast Money traders say developments look like they’re a game changer.

“This is the last thing the financials [XLF 14.98 0.06 (+0.4%) ] need,” says trader Steve Grasso.

“It’s going to raise questions – not only at JPMorgan but across the entire industry,” adds Joe Terranova. “It makes me wonder if there are other portfolios that need to be marked to market.”

“Money pros will ask, what is the impact? And how far does it extend? Who else holds what appears to be lousy paper?”

MORE...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47372660

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
15. Well we all know what they need to do now
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:25 PM
May 2012

Give their "talent" a big bonus so they can retain them...

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
16. And just three weeks ago, Jamie "Bankster" Dimon was saying it was all just a "tempest in a teapot"
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:34 PM
May 2012


The trading group has been a focus in recent weeks as questions surfaced about big bets the JPMorgan unit was reportedly making in credit default swaps. Reports emerged in April about a JPMorgan trader in London whose positions were so big that they were distorting the market.

Mr. Dimon played down the significance. In a conference call on April 13, he called the matter “a complete tempest in a teapot.”

“Every bank has a major portfolio. In those portfolios you make investments that you think are wise to offset your exposures,” Mr. Dimon said in the April call. “At the end of the day, that is our job — is to invest that portfolio wisely, intelligently over a long period of time to earn income and to offset other exposures that we have.”

Now, the portfolio is wreaking havoc at the bank. In its filing on Thursday, JPMorgan pointed specifically to problems with its bets on credit.


 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
19. was that $2 billion....
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:27 PM
May 2012

....or $2 trillion?....$2 billion is pocket change to jpm....have they talked to timmy?....he'll cover their bets; he always has, timmy is their kind of guy....

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
20. Why Didn't Dodd-Frank Prevent This Sort Of Thing
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:52 PM
May 2012

From happening. Obviously more regulation is needed lest we find ourselves in another "too big to fail" situation.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. I am not sure Dodd-Frank is fully implemented yet
Fri May 11, 2012, 08:42 AM
May 2012

I know the law has was passed but I don't think the various regulatory agencies have issued the detailed regulations. I know the law is extremely complex so it would not surprise me if it takes awhile for it to be fully in place.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. Losing in the London casino
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:23 PM
May 2012

This is "the Whale", Bruno Iksil. There ought to be a law against US banks trading in London. It's what killed AIG. It was also where Lehman was dressing its books up every quarter.


Is JPM Staring At Another $3 Billion Loss?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/jpm-staring-another-3-billion-loss

JPMorgan: whale harpooned?

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/05/10/995211/jpmorgan-whale-harpooned/

Whale Sushi On The Menu At JPMorgan Executive Lunchroom For Next Few Months

http://dealbreaker.com/2012/05/whale-sushi-on-the-menu-at-jpmorgan-executive-lunchroom-for-next-few-months/

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
26. This is a HUGE story, folks
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:51 AM
May 2012

Exhibit A as to why Glass-Steagel needs to be reimplemented.

Rich people gambling with OUR money.

Investment banks and regular banks never should have been allowed to mix. They need to be reseparated.

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