Hillary Clinton violated government policy over emails, says judge

[Ichingcarpenter]

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Source: theguardian

Hillary Clinton violated government policy in her use of a personal email server, a federal judge said on Thursday.

“We wouldn’t be here today if the employee had followed government policy,” judge Emmet Sullivan said.

Hearing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the State Department, seeking access to the records of Clinton’s staff, Sullivan said that the former secretary of state had hindered State’s ability to provide records.

Sullivan ordered the department to ask the FBI for any emails relating to the lawsuit that have been recovered from Clinton’s server but are not in the department’s possession.

When a Justice Department lawyer raised concerns about the government’s right to search the private email of an official, Sullivan said: “There was a violation of government policy.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/21/hillary-clinton-private-email-saga-congressional-democrats-concerned

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Emmet G. Sullivan

Emmet G. Sullivan (born 1947) is a United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia

On June 16, 1994, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President Bill Clinton to serve as United States District Judge for the District of Columbia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmet_G._Sullivan

[randys1]

2. Employee, wow. Where to begin. Regardless, this is a non story.

[saturnsring]

3. No he didn't say that he said this

During Thursday’s hearing in the State Department case, Sullivan never said precisely how he believed Hillary Clinton violated government policy. But he repeatedly referred to the department’s obligation to preserve records under the Federal Records Act of 1950.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/judge-says-hillary-clintons-private-emails-violated-policy-121568.html#ixzz3jT968Zle

Why do people feel the need to resort to rovian tactics on this board? I guess if your preferred candidate can't get the support its ok to deceive?

[candelista]

8. What are you quibbling about?

What "Rovian" tactics? Please explain.

[saturnsring]

13. Quibbling?

[candelista]

15. Um-hmm.

Quibbling. Unless you can explain it.

[saturnsring]

20. You're correct in that this is a trivial matter but I've explained it in the post

[candelista]

30. I must have missed that.

Is it the part about how the Judge didn't explain his comment that government policy was violated? That's what I call a quibble.

[saturnsring]

34. He didn't explain cause he doesn't know and that's hardly trivial

[former9thward]

16. He certainly did say that.

From your own link:

“We wouldn’t be here today if this employee had followed government policy,” said U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, apparently referring to Clinton, during a hearing on one of the many Freedom of Information Act lawsuits seeking access to her records as secretary of state.


If you don't follow policy you are violating it.

[riversedge]

18. It is a sentationalist Politico

headline related to emails which seems to draw Sanders supporters.

We need to be supporting Democrats on the board (obvious statement but so often we just seem to support Republican ideology and smears).

[merrily]

27. It's a direct quote, ffs. You posted what he did NOT say, which changes nothing.

‘We wouldn’t be here today if the employee had followed government policy,’ says judge Emmet Sullivan in Freedom of Information case

That he did not say exactly how she violated it does not negate what he did say.

Talk about tactics!

[saturnsring]

38. In other words he said " she did something wrong I just know it" what a joke

It does negate it also sounds like some say ..... Judge, put up or shut up

[George II]

4. Interesting. I read the article and they never mentioned which "policy" was violated....

....this whole thing was looked into months and months ago, and it has been determined by the people who KNEW the policy that she didn't violate any policy (at the time) And she's not the first Secretary of State (or elected or appointed official) to have stored emails on a personal server.

It's just not going to go anywhere.

[former9thward]

24. The White House disagreees with you.

They know what policy was violated.

White House says Clinton did not heed e-mail policy

Former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to have operated in violation of what the White House said Tuesday was “very specific guidance” that members of the Obama administration use government e-mail accounts to carry out official business.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-use-of-personal-e-mail-at-state-dept-violated-obama-directive/2015/03/03/454d7938-c1b9-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html

[merrily]

29. The judge said government policy.

[uberblonde]

5. Horsefeathers.

https://twitter.com/JW4Hillary/status/633627004047388673

[Fred Sanders]

6. There was no finding of any breach....but you already knew that from yesterday when this was posted.

Breach of government policy?? And like the Ashley Madison government employee breaches....what shall we do with these capital crime offenders??

[merrily]

31. The JUDGE said Hillary violated government policy.

[MynameisBlarney]

7. Good grief.

They just can't let it go, can they?

[Fred Sanders]

9. Once the tunnels close in on you there is very limited visual capacity...everything is focused on

the tunnel.

[candelista]

11. Is that a whine?

Just asking.

[MynameisBlarney]

53. Nope

It's more of an expression of exasperation than a whine.

I don't think that as much time, energy and tax dollars would have been wasted if this was anyone else but Hillary.

The GOTP has had it in for her since her husband was pres. They can't stand the fact that she's a strong woman with more balls than all of them combined. She's very politically savvy and would make a good president.

That said, Bernie would make a GREAT president.

[onehandle]

10. They have nothing. Hillary is #45.

No matter how much Clinton hate is posted at Democratic Underground...

[font size="5"] HILLARY IS #45![/font]

[riversedge]

19. I have always like that pic of Hillary.

[OnyxCollie]

12. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Botany]

14. Guess what?

On November 25, 1991, Judge Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sullivan


These attacks on Hillary are swiftboating end of story. Made up bullshit.
Whitewater, the Clinton people stole all the "w keys" from the White House when they left, Vince
Foster was murdered, Bill Clinton was running cocaine, Iraq has WMDs, Al Gore said, "I invented
the internet," Iraq's liberation will spread democracy and freedom through out the mideast, Obama
and Hillary stopped a rescue mission for the Americans in Benghazi, Ohio voted for w Bush in 2004
because people were worried about gay marriage, and on and on ... how many times are we going to
fall for these scams?

The only story here is about the power behind pushing these lies and how our "liberal media" is
more then willing to help.

[candelista]

23. So Hillary's classified emails are really unicorns, like the WMDs?

Novel theory.

[Botany]

43. HRC's "email problem" is a big fat nothing that is being pushed as being something.

This is classic Rove which is to take the opponent"s strengths and use it against them
examples:


* John Kerry was awarded the bronze star, the silver star, the purple hearts, and
did not lose one man in some of the most dangerous duty in Vietnam so he was attacked
on his service.

* Hillary was very good Sec. of State and she sent and received lots of emails and tweets
so "they" attack her for doing her job.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/06/the-texts-from-hillary-meme-isnt-so-funny-anymore/

[MynameisBlarney]

56. Yup.

Nailed it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. Guess what? Bill Clinton appointed him to this court

Now........... give me your approved news sources

I can't keep up with this shit.

[merrily]

35. Guess what? President Clinton gave him a huge promotion.

[jwirr]

42. On November 25 1991 he was appointed by poppy bush as the

Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

On June 16 1994 he was also appointed by Bill Clinton as the US District Judge for the District of Columbia.

Not sure what the difference was but both the OP and your post are correct. He was appointed to two different posts by the two different presidents.

[NCjack]

17. The judge is wrong -- we would be here, but it would be

some other Republican chickenshit issue. Pres. GW Bush got a walk on his failure for the 9/11 attack, but the Republicans want to nose around in HRC's admin practices. Waste of tax money.

[candelista]

33. "The Republicans want to nose around"?

Actually, the Inspectors General who started this investigation are Obama appointees.

[NCjack]

54. I'm surprised they are Obama appointees. Bill Clinton didn't think replacing Reag

replacing Reagan/Bush IGs was important, and Clinton paid a price for that. When President Obama enter office, I wrote him a letter urging him to replace all IGs, but I never saw where he did anything but fill vacancies as they removed themselves. If you are sure that these IGs are Obama appointees, then I withdraw my nasty comment about GOPers nosing around. Suggestion: the IGs should look to see if she stole office supplies. Everyone takes their stapler when they leave.

[RufusTFirefly]

21. You can see it everywhere. Even here

[lark]

22. The hypocrisy just bowls me over.

GW and Cheney were found to have a private email server used to communicate with the CIA. They destroyed the PC's and servers to prevent anyone from finding out what they had on there. What did we hear from Repugs or Justice - crickets. They completely violated the law and no one cared one fucking bit. Let a Dem do something, not even nearly as bad, and they bring down the house and the msm is all over it. I'm just so fucking sick of this.


Fixed spelling error

[candelista]

25. "Not even nearly as bad...."

Interesting concession.

[lark]

32. Yeah, it's not looking that great for HRC.

Of course, don't trust the media one bit on this and some of what I've heard I know are complete lies. Benghazi was nothing, yet rw and msm keep harping on that. I'm hoping this is about the same, but, unfortunately, it doesn't look that way at this point.

[merrily]

36. What difference do you see in what they did, other than that, as President, GW set policy and,

as SOS, Hillary did not? She had the server wiped, which means people get to see what she wants them to see.

[lark]

39. She released a bunch of emails.

They released none and didn't just wipe the server but had it destroyed. Also, this was found in a memo at the CIA, so really reeks. Clinton is being investigated, nothing, absolutely nothing was done due to GW and Cheney's actions. That's the huge elephant in the room that I was referencing.

[merrily]

46. Wiping server vs. destroying server = distinction without a practical difference.

So is choosing what to release. How about you investigate me and I get to decide what you see? How do you think I'm going to come out in that investigation.

Another elephant in the room. Petraeus got prosecuted.

[KeepItReal]

37. When people like Pelosi take impeachment off the table...

... while lawlessness was in full view under GWB, what do you expect?

Private emails and destroying evidence Is OK If You Are A Republican (or the CIA)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. deals were cut to protect Cheney and Bush from war crimes and more

accusations, and to limit any research or litigation about torture.

Much like Gerald Ford cut deals with Nixon, I think that it sucked then in Nixon's time, and it sucks now with Cheney/Bush. But, we don't have a fledgling new president coming in now. That is a year and a half away. So, if someone breaks rules or the law, they should get prosecuted, charged, investigated, whatever.

[lark]

45. These were found while they were still in office.

This wasn't part of the after office "pardon" given in effect by Obama and Pelosi and still there was no action taken to investigate and no noise in msm.

[merrily]

47. Pelosi gave a "pardon" WHILE they were still in office, but again, that is a distinction without a

difference. Point is, Democrats decided not to pursue a thing they did. When they things came to light is therefore pretty much irrelevant, except as to any relevant statutes of limitation.

[yallerdawg]

26. Full disclosure concerning last portion of OP.

Sullivan was appointed by President Reagan to the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on October 3, 1984.

On November 25, 1991, Sullivan was appointed by President George H. W. Bush to serve as an Associate Judge of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals.

Since who appointed him seemed to have some relevance?

[merrily]

41. And? Assoc. Judge in a district of Columbia court to federal judge is a promotion and

President Clinton gave him that.

[Fred Sanders]

44. BUSTED! Full disclosure is a good thing, otherwise relevant things get hidden.

[merrily]

49. I'm BUSTED for what? Saying a federal judgeship is a promotion? LMAO.

I never interfered with the poster's disclosure. I simply replied to it.

You're funny.

[jwirr]

48. You need to read further - June 16, 1994 Bill Clinton appointed him as

the US District of Columbia Judge for District of Columbia.

He was at that time the only judge to be appointed by 3 different presidents.

[merrily]

50. The OP pointed out Clinton's involvement.

[jwirr]

51. And the OP was correct. Some here are saying it was just poppy bush.

[yallerdawg]

58. The OP failed to mention...

two out of three presidents who promoted this judge were Republican - if that was the purpose of mentioning him as a Clinton appointment.

When a president has a judicial opening very often you have to plug in the most qualified to fill the position. The lifetime appointment and Senate "advice and consent" was designed to influence judges and appointees to be more fair and impartial, and much less political.

However, sometimes they tend to swing left, and sometimes they tend to swing right, as we well know.

This judge seems to lean and give credence to the right on multiple issues.

That should be mentioned.

[HFRN]

52. BOMBSHELL!!!!! nt

[saturnsring]

55. Judge went on to say " I have a list of 205 communists and members of a spy ring in

The state dept"

[realFedUp]

57. speaking without the facts

Makes you ignorant and irrelevant. Goes for the press, judges and congress people.

[TexasTowelie]

59. Locking thread.

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