John Kasich sits at second place in new NBC News/Marist New Hampshire poll

[Attorney in Texas]

Source: cleveland.com (Cleveland Plain Dealer)

Donald Trump remains the Republican frontrunner for president in Iowa and New Hampshire. But Ohio Gov. John Kasich... With support from 12 percent of GOP voters, Kasich is in second place behind Trump, who leads with 28 percent in the nation's first primary state.

Close on Kasich's heels is Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon, at 11 percent. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush -- once viewed as the most likely nominee -- sits at 8 percent. Former tech executive Carly Fiorina, with 6 percent, is next.

In Iowa, which holds the first caucus, Trump tops the field at 29 percent, followed by Carson at 22 percent. No other candidate gets more than 6 percent. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who a month ago was the favorite to win Iowa, sits at 5 percent. Kasich, who hasn't campaigned much there, is at 2 percent.
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On the Democratic side, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has taken the lead from Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, leading her 49 percent to 38 percent. In Iowa, the former U.S. secretary of state leads Sanders 48 percent to 37 percent.


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[iandhr]

1. Kasich is someone we need to worry about

[flamingdem]

2. Yes, the most "moderate" in the

clown car.

[Attorney in Texas]

3. Agreed. I think he is the leading candidate for VP and one of the 4 likeliest for the nomination

[Blasphemer]

10. Agree, but I rather he emerge as the anti-Trump candidate than Jeb

If Trump ends up floundering and they rally around Kasich instead of Jeb, I'd feel a lot safer about the GE. Of course, they can always foist Jeb on Kasich (though I suspect they want a female VP) but I'd prefer not to have to deal with the Bushes and their money-machine.

[forest444]

16. Exactly - and not just their money machine.

Their mayhem machine too. It's no secret the Bushes have the unlisted phone number of, if not God, certainly the kind of people that can rock the boat just hard enough to make any Democrat's victory next November all but impossible. Think the unexpected delay of the hostages' return in 1980, or the USS Cole incident in 2000 - not to mention their cozy relationships with the oil mafias (the Saudis; the futures pirates; etc).

If Jebba-the-Hutt is nominated, they'll make sure he wins - but if Trump or anyone else in the clown car is, they won't bother. Too many favors for it to be worth their while.

[FarPoint]

11. I've said all along..

Kasich is the GOP chosen one...Trump is only the distraction assigned to weed out the other GOP candidates and to keep the media attention for the GOP...smothering the Democratic message. Trump never sincerely seeks the Presidency. He's just on assignment.

[still_one]

27. You are right

[SoapBox]

30. Absolutely agree.

[Turbineguy]

32. Indeed he is

but since he does not represent the crazy wing, he probably will not be nominated.

[Botany]

4. It is gonna be Kasich

end of story

[Attorney in Texas]

5. Kasich-Rubio or Kasich-Fiorina?

[book_worm]

8. Why not Trump--he is still leading the pack

he was supposed to be just a flash in the pan, but he isn't fading. He could very well be the GOP nominee and Carson could be his running mate.

[totodeinhere]

6. What are you basing that on? Certainly not a second place showing in one

state in one poll.

[Botany]

14. several reasons

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1 he sells himself as a moderate .... even though he is not

2 he comes across well in person ...... it has been a few years but I kind of know him a little bit

3 TPTB want to win the White House and he might bring Ohio to the repugs

4 He is a Fox News boy and they will push him

5 Walker is fading and so is Jeb ...... Christie, Santorum, Paul, Rubio, Cruz, Perry, Huckebee,
and Bobby Jindal are all non starters

6 Wall Street and the big bank love his ass because down deep he see his job as making the
rich and poweful even more so

7 The media will push he is "the serious candidate"

8 He is a founding member of ALEC

9 The man really thinks that Jesus walked on earth so he can be president

10 When push comes to shove "they" will find a way to take Trump out of the race ...
if need be ..... but I think Trump will do something or something will come out on him
to end his run

[oberliner]

15. Good points

I have a feeling he could emerge as well.

[Botany]

19. He really is a "piece of work"

He sold the State of Ohio's Public Employee's Retirement fund $480,000,000
worth of bad paper from Lehman Brothers and walked away w/a nice commission
and then after Lehman Brothers went belly up and he was in a Governor of Ohio
he complained about lack of money in the Public Employee's Retirement Fund.

He also sold all the profits for state liquor sales to wall street / big banks
for $5 billion and that should be worth at least $20 billion over the next
10 years ...... he did that by turning the Ohio Dept. of Development into
"Jobs Ohio" and one of his Wall Street buddies came and took over jobs Ohio
for $1 a year in pay because he wanted to "help the people in Ohio" but the
minute the borrowing money against the back end of the deal scam went through
he was gone in a heartbeat.

[oberliner]

20. He is awful

And still - probably the least insane of the bunch.

"Moderate Republicans" tend to like him.

[Botany]

28. John is the son of union mail man for the USPS .....

.... who hates unions and once told his mail carrier that both his job and
the USPS will soon be history.

[totodeinhere]

33. Yes I agree. Those are some good points and if they have any chance of winning they

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must carry Ohio where he is from.

[uppityperson]

29. Train watching would be a good hobby for where you live, lots of trains there.

[Midwestern Democrat]

36. Bush is looking weak at the moment, but if you put the gun to my head and my life depended

on guessing who the GOP nominee is going to be - I'd still say Bush. The establishment choice (which Bush certainly is) always seems to ultimately prevail in the GOP presidential primary and Bush brings two major assets to the table: 1) Florida and 2) the greatest appeal to hispanic voters on the GOP side outside of Rubio.

[book_worm]

7. The good news on the GOP side is that Walker is probably toast

Certainly if he can't win Iowa he is finished. The media makes a big deal out of Kasich's 12% he is supposedly the sanest of the GOPers, so does that mean that 88% of the party is still NUTS.

As for Iowa Trump needs to make sure he has an organization to make sure his voters turnout on caucus night. I don't know how organized Carson is.

On the Democratic side--there is no sugar coating it--it's not good news for Hillary Clinton in neither Iowa and especially New Hampshire.

[Worried senior]

9. I'm glad

Walker is doing poorly but I don't count on him not rising again.

Kasich is no better, they both scare me but then so do all the other republicans.
.

[dawnie51]

12. Hello from Ohio....

Kasich is a smart Republican. But he has the personality of a cactus. He is short tempered, does not play well with others, and is incapable of hiding his contempt for those who disagree with him. He is anti union, anti public education and in the pocket of Wall St. The only decent thing he has done for Ohio is accept the Medicaid money; otherwise he could be any of the others in the pack. He will not be flamboyant and flashy though, and he is someone to take seriously, especially since all of his competition is bat-shit crazy. Kasich is not crazy or fundy or ignorant like the others. He is a smart Republican.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Agree with all

Kasich and Ohio's electoral votes are the ones to fear

Kasich-Rubio and it's going to be hard to grab Ohio and Florida

[24601]

18. Agree that Kasich will be the nominee. Don't believe, however, that Rubio will be the VP and that

Fiorina or Martinez (NM) will get that nod.

It will be be Rubio, but not this time.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Fiorina

presents quite a problem

Italian Catholic that delivers substantial portions of those voting blocs

and a woman, negating Hillary's advantage

However, Kasich-Fiorina are two Wall Street hacks

and Fiorina generally regarded as having not been very good
at running HP, though she made a lot of money doing it

[24601]

25. Fiorina is on the mix because she got the bump from the kiddie-table debate. Martinez, because she

is a governor, hispanic and female - a necessary part of a ticket facing HRC. No male candidate would be capable of the kind of attacks that will occur because of the blowback.

What will HRC do? She will pass over Sanders & O'Malley and pick Julian (more likely) or Joaquin Castro. Cory Booker a longer shot.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Everything you say makes sense

She must pick someone younger, probably Catholic, and male, and
quite probably with some non-caucasian element. Too bad Bill
Richardson has slight baggage.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. 8% for the JeB!?

Wow, talk about a sinking ship.

I agree that Kasich is probably the most dangerous. He is even warmer and pleasant thatn Hucksterbee, but only with extreme Tea Bagger ideas, instead of conservative christian AND Tea Bagger ideas. I guess that makes him a moderate in this day and age.

[kimbutgar]

22. We voters like nice looking Presidents

We are superficial in someways. Kasich is creepy looking and his personality is bland. I just don't see him as President. We're 14 months away from the election and a lot can happen.

[24601]

26. If looks were the criteria, neither Bernie nor HRC would be in the running. O'Malley would be the

nominee and Kerry Washington would be his running mate.

[FairWinds]

23. Be aware that Kasich . .

is up to his eye-balls in massive Ohio charter school corruption.

[Proud Public Servant]

31. Kasich is definitely their best shot at beating Clinton

I've been saying this fro close to a year, and friends have thought I was nuts. But Hillary's got 3 problems going in:

1) She's charisma-impaired
2) She's the consummate DC insider at a moment when people despise DC
3) She's never actually run anything (no, State doesn't count)

Kasich is like the anti-Hillary in that regard, and is from a swing state to boot. Plus, unlike many of his fellow candidates, he doesn't have a long record of saying batshit-crazy stuff on Fox that will come back to haunt him. He's the only guy in teh clown car I worry about.

[Feeling the Bern]

34. Just keep up Trump as #1. It will be a landslide. Remember, it isn't about policy for the GOP

in their primaries. It's about energizing their nativist, sociopathic, ignorant, racist, sexist, know-nothing base.

[MADem]

37. Kasich has been running ads in the NH market for MONTHS now.

The "NH market" is essentially the Boston market--the major networks serve southern NH where the vast majority of the population lives.

I find the ads smarmy, but they are effective. Hit all the major points--flag, kids, "I'm the adult in the room" etc. He sure sounds "better than Jeb!" -- of course that's not hard....

[vadermike]

38. ugh

we are in serious trouble.. it could be a kasich ticket or trump kasich... not to be underestimated against either hrc or bernie.. and now hrc is damaged.. possibly fatally.. the DNC fucked up with the debates... i think we are almost toasted unfortunately.. i hope i am wrong about this

[Gothmog]

39. That is after $5 million of advertising

[pnwmom]

40. Sloppy reporting here. Kasich is in a tie with everyone within the 5 point margin of error.

That's so much more boring, though.

[ladym55]

41. Be very aware of Kasich

He is the darling of M$M--the Republican "moderate," all because he accepted Medicaid for Ohio. That was a very cynical move on his part just so he could put himself out there as a "moderate."

This Ohio resident knows that Kasich is anti-union, anti-education, and anti-woman. He hates transparency, which is why NO ONE, even his own party's state auditor, can have access to how public money is being used in his "Jobs Ohio." That has been so effective that Ohio's job growth lags well behind the national numbers and wages are stagnant.

He has starved public education while funneling big bucks to his buddies running failed for-profit charter schools. It is a bubbling scandal here, but not getting enough publicity.

Local governments have had their funding slashed, so roads, safety forces, etc., are struggling to provide even basic services. They are resorting to local taxes just to keep functioning. In the meantime, Kasich has cut taxes to benefit the very wealthy.

NONE OF THIS IS GETTING COVERAGE NATIONALLY IN THE MSM. He is called the "popular governor" from Ohio.

Dems need to pay very close attention to this man. He is evil, and we sure don't want him to do to the nation what he has done to Ohio.

[Chemisse]

42. Just as the media is ignoring Sanders, they are ignoring all the Republicans except Bush.

The Powers have chosen, and they won't let a little thing like people's preferences get in the way.

[Attorney in Texas]

44. "ignoring all the Republicans except Bush"? That Trump guy got a bit of coverage, too

[Chemisse]

47. Lol - there's an understatement. I meant as runners up to Trump.

Even though several candidates are closer on Trump's heels than Bush, they are not getting much mention.

[Vinca]

43. This is only because his ads have been on the air constantly for part of the summer.

He must have blown a fortune in advertising. When the loot runs out, I'm sure his luck will, too.

[Attorney in Texas]

45. I think his problem is that he may be too mainstream to win the nomination. VP? Maybe, but many

Republicans would look at a Kasich VP pick the same way we were all generally appalled at Gore's choice of Lieberman - Kasich's failure to repudiate Obama care was good for his constituents but bad for his prospects among the wingnuts.

[Vinca]

46. Agreed. This election season is for the nuttiest among them.

At this point, my money is still on Trump. He's outcrazying the crazies.