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Eugene

(61,779 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:18 AM May 2012

Greece calls new elections after coalition talks fail

Source: Reuters

ATHENS | Tue May 15, 2012 9:15am EDT

(Reuters) - Greece will hold new elections after political leaders failed to find agreement on a coalition government on Tuesday, a spokesman for the Greek president said.

A caretaker government to lead the country to fresh polls will be appointed on Wednesday, the presidency spokesman said after party leaders held a final round of talks.

"We're heading to elections," the spokesman told reporters.

(Reporting by Lefteris Papadimas, writing by Deepa Babington)


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/15/us-greece-idUSBRE84D07X20120515

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Greece calls new elections after coalition talks fail (Original Post) Eugene May 2012 OP
The Greek people have awakened Harmony Blue May 2012 #1
Now, THIS is going to be interesting. GliderGuider May 2012 #2
Polls are saying tama May 2012 #7
Well, can't say I didn't see this Berlin Expat May 2012 #3
thanks for the insights... Blue_Tires May 2012 #4
You're welcome; if you or anyone else was Berlin Expat May 2012 #5
Just call it radical left tama May 2012 #6
Feces meet rapidly spinning blades. rayofreason May 2012 #8
Excellent news. David__77 May 2012 #9
New election on 17 June; judge appointed as caretaker PM muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #10
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Now, THIS is going to be interesting.
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

Same old same old, or lots of vote switching? Either way Europe is going to be chewing its nails right up to the elbow.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
7. Polls are saying
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:14 PM
May 2012

that Syriza will win ever bigger and become the biggest party and get the additional 50 seats that go for the biggest party. But that does not mean that Syriza can form a governement.

Troika has bought enough time so the private sector by now is largely out of Greek debt, but Greece cancelling it's debts can make ECB de facto bankrupt - and force it to beg new capital from EZ members. How would EZ members respond to refunding bankrupt ECB is anybodys guess.

Another issue which practically nobody is discussing is that there is no legal mechanism to resign from EZ but according to treaties every EU member (with couple exceptions) is required to join EZ. Legally a member can resign only from EU, not from EZ alone. Of course the euro-elites have been constantly disregarding legal base and making illegal ad hod decisions so law is not necessarily any problem.



Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
3. Well, can't say I didn't see this
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

coming.

The most likely outcome of a fresh election is that SYRIZA, a coalition of hard-left parties, will increase their seats in the Greek parliament. SYRIZA's position is that they want to stay in the Eurozone, but completely re-negotiate the terms of the bailout, a policy shared by the majority of Greeks, but totally at odds with the Germans, who are, let's face it, the masters of Europe.

It's hard to say right now how things will turn out; short-term, there's going to be a lot of pain for the average Greek. Many Greeks have said, "We'll just go back to tourism!". Yeah......like anyone will want to go on a tourist jaunt somewhere like a European Somalia. There will be likely be massive civil unrest and disorder, and one cannot completely preclude in the event of mass chaos either a military coup or an outright civil war in the worst-case scenarios (indeed. the Nomura Group, a well-respected Japanese think-tank, rates this as a 60%+ probability), all of which would be utterly disastrous for Greece (though not the EU necessarily; they'll simply kick Greece out of the EU, pull their Schengen Zone rights, repatriate those Greek citizens currently running around the EU and essentially seal the borders). Shipping is in the toilet owing to the global economic crisis, and if a civil war or military coup were to happen, hell, even massive prolonged civil unrest, I really don't see Greece as a popular tourist destination under those circumstances. And let's be realistic..........shipping and tourism are Greece's primary industries. And agriculture, though to a lesser extent. One potential bright side is that it is believed there may be substantial oil and natural gas deposits in the Aegean, which has thus far been not explored nor exploited.

Either way, the Greeks are screwed, certainly in the short to medium term. People's mortgages are still denominated in Euro after all. And a New Drachma would very likely face an immediate 50-60% devaluation, thereby making imported goods correspondingly more expensive, not to mention energy prices. Plus, any new government will very likely have to quickly impose massive capital controls to prevent capital flight, and maybe a bank holiday of a few days. While it is tempting to think of the Greeks unilaterally canceling all their debts, under those circumstances, who on Earth is going to lend them money to get their economy restarted? No one, at least no one who's sane. Even the World Bank and the IMF may well tell the Greeks to go pound sand, and at the very least, IMF/World Bank lending conditions would be just as stringent if not harsher than the current terms Greece is chafing under.

Like a Nigerian friend of mine once told me, "A hungry man has no fear of the law". A poetic way of saying we all gotta duck when the s**t hits the fan.

Grim times ahead for Greece; I would advise anyone with the capability of getting the hell out of there to do so ASAP. And not to Europe; the rest of the EU simply isn't going to tolerate a tsunami of "economic refugees", which is what they'd consider the Greeks, and if the Greeks lose their status as an EU member state, their Schengen Zone rights go bye-bye along with it. I'd advise head for the USA.

Berlin Expat

(949 posts)
5. You're welcome; if you or anyone else was
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:47 PM
May 2012

wondering where I got the idea of repatriating Greek expats, I got it from my students who work for the Czech Ministry of the Interior, ultimately responsible for immigration here in the Czech Republic. We were talking about a "Grexit" scenario, and as they pointed out, quite rightly, should a country leave, or be expelled from, the EU (as would most likely happen in the case of Greece), that country's Schengen Zone privileges would be terminated. The question, and a delicate one at that, is whether Greece could simply leave the EMU (Eurozone) without leaving the EU proper: that's an unknown at this moment.

However, the Czech MOI students I have said that if Greece leaves, or is thrown out of the EU proper, then any and all Greek nationals currently residing in the Czech Republic would have 90 days to leave the country and return home to Greece, where they would have to get visas from the Czech Embassy in Athens to re-enter the Czech Republic. As the authorities know, pretty much at all times, where us foreigners are (because we all have to register with the police if we're here longer than 90 days), those who stayed past the 90 day limit would be arrested and put on the next airplane back to Athens. End of story. The only exceptions would be Greeks married to a Czech spouse and having residency permits for family unification purposes.

So far this is not official government policy; it's a scenario being looked at as a contingency plan in the event of a Greek exit from the EU proper. I have little doubt that other EU member states are contingency planning as well.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
6. Just call it radical left
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
May 2012

that's what the RIZospastiki word of the acronym means. And I hope that the party stands true to it's name, going to to roots (lat. radix, gr. riza) of the problems instead of trying to fix the symptoms.

And as for your opinions and advice, I've long time since stopped giving any attention to what Turkish say about Greeks and vice versa on Internet forums. It's all about two neighbour nations loving to hate each other and nothing to be taken seriously.

rayofreason

(2,259 posts)
8. Feces meet rapidly spinning blades.
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:10 PM
May 2012

Not too surprising, actually. Looking at the election results it was hard to see how any government could be formed. And no one should be surprised if the next election also results in a hung parliament. There will be no unity government because there is no unity.

But time marches on. Bills come due and soon there will be a screeching halt as the Greeks run out of other people's money and no one gives them any more. Remember, they are still running a huge deficit - even if you wipe away the debt. So the Greek hand will be forced and they will exit the euro. They have no choice. It is going to get real ugly, real soon. Not as bad as Egypt, but pretty bad.

And once they leave the euro will the unravelling stop? Not likely.

Euro=dead man walking

David__77

(23,310 posts)
9. Excellent news.
Tue May 15, 2012, 06:21 PM
May 2012

I have been skeptical of Syriza, but applaud them for preventing the construction of a fascist/"technocratic" government against the wishes of the people of Greece. I guess the worst parts of Syriza already fled into the centrist "Democratic Left" formation.

The best hope now is that Syriza deprives the pro-austerity parties of the 50 "bonus seats" and that a definitely anti-austerity government comes to power. I'd prefer that it be led by the KKE, because it has been most consistent in defending Greek sovereignty. In turn, KKE would have to open itself to equal partnership with Syriza and, possibly Democratic Left or elements of PASOK or even Independent Greeks that might be won over. A national-patriotic government embraces various ideological currents, united against austerity, would be a force to be reckoned with.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,257 posts)
10. New election on 17 June; judge appointed as caretaker PM
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:07 AM
May 2012
Greece will hold fresh elections on 17 June and a judge has been appointed to head an interim government.

Council of State president Panagiotis Pikramenos will head the caretaker government until the election.
...
Recent opinion polls suggest that Syriza, a leftist bloc opposed to the tough bailout conditions, would win a new election, but would still not gain enough for a parliamentary majority. It came second on 6 May.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18082552


However, Syriza might be able to form a coalition with just the Democratic Left - see some numbers here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=692002

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