Hillary Clinton on Keystone Pipeline: "I Oppose It"

[Fred Sanders]

Source: NBC News

NBC News


Hillary Clinton on Keystone Pipeline: 'I Oppose It'

TUE, SEP 22

Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton announces in Iowa that she does not support the Keystone pipeline.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/video/hillary-clinton-on-keystone-pipeline-i-oppose-it-530326595631

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Video at link of live announcement.

[pnwmom]

1. Good. But there will no doubt be some people here finding a reason to complain

about how she did it or what exactly she said.

[Fred Sanders]

3. Just go to GD where this was first posted, but not as LBN for a reason, to confirm your suspicions.

[Enrique]

5. maybe so

maybe rightly so, depending on what she said.

My own attitude is, this is the position I want her to take, so this is good news.

At the same time, it has been known to happen that politicians lie about their positions. Obama lying about his trade stance is a good example.

[The Traveler]

9. As an environmentalist who has literally bled for that cause

Yer right. Doubtless they will. For example, I am underwhelmed. People who place environmental issues near the top of their priorities will be less than impressed by her late opposition to the pipeline. It is reasonable for them to feel that way and articulate their thoughts on the matter.

I'm glad Ms. Clinton finally got on board, but she is very late to the party, and this causes me to question her commitment to greenhouse gas emissions policy and other environmental issues. I look forward to her future statements on these matters.

Trav

[ozone_man]

65. Better late than never.

She has dragged her heels on this, not a strong environmentalist, but at least she came out against it.

Why is Obama for it? Oh, I keep forgetting, he said he was no progressive. He never stops proving that.

[NowSam]

29. Yes. Like what took her so long?

"These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others." - Groucho Marx.

[BeanMusical]

47. Lol, love Groucho.

[NowSam]

70. Me too!

I have lately been more critical of Hillary than previously and I know it is because she appears to be mirroring Bernie's positions on the issues. The trouble is, I don't trust her. He has not wavered in his entire career while she seems to poll test every single sentence she speaks.

Hello, I must be going.

[randys1]

2. I want to get my prediction here where most will see it...I predict that

she knows something we dont.

That she has found out the approval is coming, and it will be more popular to be against it than for it, so this gives her a chance to come out against it while her position will have no impact, etc.

I hope I am wrong.

As a HUGE (did I say HUGE) supporter of Obama, I have the cred and right to also be REAL pissed at him when he disappoints, and this would REALLY disappoint, so again, hope I am wrong.

[restorefreedom]

7. i was wondering the opposite

if he signaled to her that he opposes it, and she felt ok about going public with her disapproval as well.

and i agree, if he disappoints on this, i will be really pissed as well. i guess i will add it to the growing list.

[randys1]

10. I dont have a growing list, I have one thing, TPP, other than that I will accept the reality

that Obama has done what he thought he had to do.

NOt crazy about drones, but can you imagine what would happen if he stopped using them, the right would go insane

[restorefreedom]

12. i wish the right would shove it. nt

[randys1]

14. No shit, and part of me says who cares what they would do or say. But they go after him when

his wife says water is good, imagine what they would do with this.

[restorefreedom]

16. and the problem is not just the pols

but all the crazy people out there who think like that guy at trumps press conference. i was sampling talk radio the other day and i could not believe all the people calling to say that they thought the pres. is a muslim and was born in kenya and that the birth certificate was a fake. and it wasn't even a rightie program.

that ignorance is what we are really up against.

[Fred Sanders]

8. I predict she has no idea if approval is coming, and is merely doing the logical, evidence-based

thing. And is betting correctly that the Obama Keystone veto was a big, big, hint.

[randys1]

11. Hope so. You know I do. But the George Carlin in me is coming out

[Fred Sanders]

13. Love George...but he was, politically, a bit on the doom and gloom side at times. Not an optimist.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

98. He was talking about America. Doom and gloom was appropriate and prescient.

[Android3.14]

30. I applaud your naivete

[BeanMusical]

49. Naivete is an understatement.

[snooper2]

94. she doesn't know anything...she opposes it because it is "a distraction" LOL

good reason Hill LOL


I still don't get what everyone is so gung ho against this pipeline when HUNDREDS are being built and proposed around the country every year...

I still say, just a catchy name...KEYSTONE!

When is everyone coming out against the


LOUDON EXPANSION PROJECT!

It's HUGH!

[jalan48]

4. As a Bernie supporter I have to say, great to hear!

[mcar]

6. K&R

[NV Whino]

15. Well, it took her damned long enough.

[Fred Sanders]

17. The "too little too late" stuff is in another thread. Giving credit where credit is due is OK to do.

[George II]

19. Considering the fact that the pipeline hasn't been approved ANYWHERE, who cares? Or....

...to quote her Bengazi testimony, "too long"? "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?"

[George II]

18. Great news, but the expected DU reaction is mind-boggling!

For months we've been hearing the whining about her lack of a postion (indeed, someone over the weekend actually claimed she NEGOTIATED the deal!!!!!), now that she's come out against it there is an equal amount of whining trying to parse her words and find some ulterior motive for her coming out against it.

Yet she still comes out day after day on the RIGHT (that's CORRECT) side of major issues but gets flack from the followers of a certain candidate.

Truly sad. Sometimes I think many of his followers are also followers of Joe Btfsplk from the Li'l Abner cartoon, the guy who walks around with a rain cloud over his head.

Damn, for some every silver lining has a cloud!!!!

[Fred Sanders]

21. Wasn't just last week there was thread after thread bashing Clinton for not making a decision??

And days later when the desired decision was made, a year from the election, the reaction is indeed mind-boggling....but sadly predictable....like air was let out of s clutched ballon. And why? Because now the party is 100% United on a vital issue?

Isn't that a good thing?

It is a very good thing. Folks should accept good news for being.....good news.

Skepticism I got no problem with. Denialism, that is a problem.

[ismnotwasm]

38. She's running an excellent campaign

As for the haters, well they're is no changing their minds so they can go on and do what they do. It is very sad to watch in some, entirely expected in others.

[AlbertCat]

75. As for the haters

What haters?


Disagreeing and wanting something different is not "hating". Criticism is not "hate". People who think she took too long and too many others' opinions to figure it out are not "haters".

It's like religion.... if you think it's bunk, it doesn't mean you "hate" all religious people.


This kind of language just exposes the cult of personality around Clinton.


I think Clinton would make a fine Prez. Sanders would just be better.

[totodeinhere]

26. Bernie was against it from day one. Something tells me that she must really be feeling the

heat from Bernie's campaign. She is now being forced to take positions that her big money backers don't agree with but they probably understand that it is all hot air designed to deflate Bernie's campaign. Watch her veer sharply to the right if she gets the nomination. With her it's all about winning at all casts.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Gotta give it to Hillary, she does a great "me too" Bernie impersonation. Sorry, I'd rather have the "real Deal."

[Javaman]

82. that's what I have been saying all along, her campaign slogan should be...

"yeah, me too!"

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

95. Great minds think alike! haha

[Marty McGraw]

73. doesn't much matter

when they've been conveniently keep all our attentions busy Enbridge has been in the Lurk

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/compass/2012/09/enbridge-tar-sands-pipeline-would-be-bigger-than-keystone-xl.html

[demwing]

20. Great news!

but my suspicious nature wanders what she'd DO about it, if it were really her responsibility...

Anyway, for now, big and sincere kudos to Hillary.

[d_legendary1]

22. Her focus group finally came to a consensus!

YIIIIIIIIIPIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

But on a more serious note good decision!

[riversedge]

23. Never satisfied are you--as you continue to diss Hillary-even though she made

a decision that you agree with. Sanders sent a polite tweet and you should follow his lead.

[d_legendary1]

81. Sanders and every other D candidate made their decision

a long time ago. I just find it so odd that it takes the lead D a long time to figure out which issues are worth fighting for. And yet she's praised for it as if she's using a complex formula to figure out that pipes leak and pollute the enviornment. Leaders are supposed to make quick decisions. The world isn't going to wait for a president that takes months to figure out which decision works best.

I did give her props for her decision. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

[Fred Sanders]

90. What is being objected to is "she took too long"?! Seriously, some folks are embarrassing themselves

[d_legendary1]

96. Since you know all the answers to HRC's campaign

What's her position on reforming Wall Street?

What about Common Core?

What about Glass-Steagall?

What about having more debates?

TPP?

Her server?

Medical Marijuana?

Spying on Americans?

Now tell me again how getting answers in a timely manner to some of these basic questions that are screwing Americans over is embarrasing. I keep forgetting...

[Fred Sanders]

97. You took too long responding to me so I can not respect your "questions". Turn around is fair game.

[d_legendary1]

99. At least Hillary gave us an answer a few months later

and didn't disregard the question on Keystone. Good to see you didn't learn from her example.

[Iggo]

24. Good!

Credit where credit's due.

[DonCoquixote]

25. I will be fair

I am not known as a friend of Hillary, but if she came out and opposed it, I applaud her. Enjoy the laurels and roses Hillary, because today you earned them.

[sadoldgirl]

27. She is smart, I give her that.

During the whole campaign she watches
what Bernie and Martin do and propose.
If it is successful, she will join the club.

[Bettie]

28. Good

Glad to see her taking a position on it.

[Kingofalldems]

31. Haters not liking this one.

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BTW, Hillary is a Democrat and should be treated with respect, as should all Democrats with a few exceptions.

[BeanMusical]

50. She should be treated with respect because there's a D after her name?

Sorry but respect has to be earned.

[mopinko]

78. jeebus. earned every day over and over it appears.

if hillary has not done enough to deserve the respect of good dems by now, whatever wrongs, real or imagined she has done, i dont know what a democrat is.

and people wonder what we are talking about when we use the word haters.

[BeanMusical]

80. Well she sure earned the respect of LGBT people by saying that marriage is between a man and a woman

only and then "evolving" when it became convenient.

She also deserves respect for her vote for and promotion of the Iraqi bloodbath, but hey, she made a mistake!

Another convenient and pathetic flipflop. Her record is frankly repulsive so no, I have no respect for that person. Doesn't mean that I hate her but this buzzword, "haters", is so useful when trying to counter any criticism of HRH.

[mopinko]

83. yeah, democrats tend to do that.

hillary and half the country "evolved" on gay marriage. i guess you would prefer she just stuck to things she said and thought in another time than at least seeing the light.
sheesh.

same with the war vote. this pissed me off then and pisses me off now, and is one of the few beefs i have with her.
but i still respect her. for a lot of things.

[BeanMusical]

93. Half the country "evolved" on gay marriage long before she opportunistically did.

And I seriously doubt that she "saw the light", she just changed her tune because it was convenient and "safe" to do so. Have a nice day now.

[Scootaloo]

51. I didn't see your concern in threads tearing up Kim Davis.

[Kingofalldems]

53. WTF are you talking about?

Are you comparing Hillary to Kim Davis?

Concern eh?

[Scootaloo]

55. No, I'm saying simply being a party member is not cause for respect.

Kim Davis is a Democrat. As is New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind. Both are fantastically awful people who really deserve no respect whatsoever. But if we're to deliver our respect simply on basis of party registration...

Riversedge is making a bad argument, and I'm showing WHY it's a bad argument.

[Kingofalldems]

57. That's carrying it way too far.

Kim Davis is not a real Democrat. Hillary is.

Do republicans get union endorsements these days?

Be real, you know what I meant. Hell if Hillary is not a real Democrat, why are the admins of DU endorsing her?

[Scootaloo]

58. Kim Davis is a registered Democrat, and ran as a Democrat, and was elected as a Democrat.

She's a Democrat. She's also a gigantic asshole. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Who said Clinton isn't a real Democrat?

[Kingofalldems]

59. Implication and yes I knew Davis ran as a Dem.

Re my original post-- as always there are exceptions such as Davis and Joe Lieberman for example.

[Scootaloo]

60. "Implication" huh? Nice try there.

I'm speaking pretty plainly, I think; simply being a member of a political party isn't cause for respect. Respect is gained through achievements and actions, not from associations.

[Kingofalldems]

63. Well good for you. You said your piece.

[Scootaloo]

64. And I intend to keep doing so n/t

[Kingofalldems]

67. So will I. Not gonna be silenced either.

[Rafale]

32. LOL!

With the price of oil so low, Halliburton laying off employees, and smaller shale oil companies on the verge of bankruptcy, the honorable secretary finally made a decision on Keystone. Wow. Guess Goldman et al. told her they were not sinking any cash into Keystone.

[Marty McGraw]

74. Nailed it!

[Javaman]

84. +1000

"it's safe for me to say it's bad, yes?" LOL

[darkangel218]

33. And tomorrow she will change her mind.

[DrBulldog]

34. Finally. At least we now we know which of Hillary's politically-motivated promises ...

. . . will be the first one she reneges on once she enters the White House.

[Geronimoe]

35. Alternative route

XL Keystone is replaced with Enbridge main line and Alberta Clipper.

[Old Crow]

36. Good for her.

I'm a Bernie supporter. But I have no complaints here. I'm glad Hillary is stating her position and I'm happy with her position--particularly her reasoning vis-a-vis global warming.

[ismnotwasm]

37. Thanks for posting!

Although not a surprise for those of us who have been paying attention, this is very gratifying!

[Fearless]

39. Because it's no longer economically feasible

Her corporate masters don't care anymore.

[Scootaloo]

40. Oh good, now we don't have to elect her to find out what her stance is.

Next candidate, please

[beam me up scottie]

41. Democratic candidate Martin O'Malley criticized Hillary for following, not leading:

“On issue after issue—marriage equality, drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants, children fleeing violence in Central America, the Syrian refugee crisis, and now the Keystone Pipeline, Secretary Clinton has followed–not forged–public opinion,” he said in a statement. “Leadership is about stating where you stand on critical issues, regardless of how they poll or focus group.”

http://time.com/4045344/hillary-clinton-keystone-pipeline-decision/

[AlbertCat]

76. This ^

It IS important to listen to others and it IS important to evolve as facts become available....


But at some point it starts to look wishy-washy.... especially when some "reward" is involved.

[Javaman]

86. Yup...

the "yeah, me too!" campaign

[marble falls]

42. One down. Now I'd like to know about why she supports fracking, capital punishment, TPP, IWR.......

mandatory minimum sentencing, three strike laws, the private prison industry, PAC money ......

[rurallib]

43. Really waiting for that TPP position

[marble falls]

44. It's evolving.

[bigwillq]

45. The Great Evolver!

[SoapBox]

46. Hillary's House of Waffle...

Has "evolved"...until it needs to change again.

[24601]

48. But I could be persuaded otherwise. Let's open the bidding at $18 Million. Do I hear 18?

[Cal Carpenter]

52. Is she specific about actively challenging it?

Sorry, I can't watch video.

Just wondering if this is a typical political, nominal 'support' vs 'oppose' thing or if she is putting it in context and stating explicitly that she will do everything in her power to block it rather than allowing it to pass but putting blame elsewhere, as so many politicians are wont to do...

[AllyCat]

54. Yeah!

[Fred Sanders]

66. Indeed! Who is against evolution? It is how adults grow up.

[jeff47]

56. Her previous position

From 2010:

"So as I say, we've not yet signed off on it. But we are inclined to do so and we are for several reasons — going back to one of your original questions — we're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada. And until we can get our act together as a country and figure out that clean, renewable energy is in both our economic interests and the interests of our planet, I mean, I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone how deeply disappointed the President and I are about our inability to get the kind of legislation through the Senate that the United States was seeking."

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/CampaignsElections/a/Hillary-Clinton-On-The-Keystone-Xl-Pipeline.htm

[Javaman]

87. shush, you!

she's supposed to be getting out ahead of this issue! after Bernie already said many times he was against it. but he doesn't get quite the press she does, so now she can say that she was against it all along.

see how it works?

[jeff47]

89. Yes, accurately quoting her is a horrific right-wing smear. (nt)

[Javaman]

91. amazing,isn't it? nt

[Bubzer]

61. I can't believe what I just heard...

The keystone XL pipeline is "A distraction from the important work we have to do with climate change"?
So the environmentally destructive oil-sands, a direct contributor to the climate change issue, a distraction?

[lonestarnot]

62. Bout time!

[Indepatriot]

68. 11/25/2015: "I'm the REAL socialist in this race" - Hillary Weathervane Shapeshifter Clinton....

How naive does she really think people are?

[Fred Sanders]

69. The "weathervane" cleverness has already been claimed.

[Hydra]

71. Good to see all of the Democrats on the same side on this issue

And hopefully she can continue to "evolve" her way along on a bunch of other issues she needs to.

[AlbertCat]

72. 'bout time.

Her handlers musta said it was OK for her to say so.

Zardoz only knows what she really thinks.

[Gore1FL]

79. Good!

I am glad she finally said so.

While she isn't my first choice, I realize she is the most likely Democratic nominee. Things like this make that reality a lot more agreeable to me.

[Old Union Guy]

85. Means nothing. Or rather it means ...

Or rather it means that answer polls well.

Don't you guys get it yet? Hillary's "stated position" on anything means nothing.

When she's president, it will be a matter of who shows her the money.

[Javaman]

88. +1000 nt

[Bradical79]

92. Better late than never

Glad she is finally officially against it.