Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:38 PM

Raine1967 (11,563 posts)

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.

"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of PBS "Newshour."

"I have said from the very beginning that we had to have a trade agreement that would create good American jobs, raise wages and advance our national security. And I still believe that's the high bar we have to meet," she said. "I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the agreement. But I'm worried. I'm worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. We've lost American jobs to the manipulations that countries, particularly in Asia, have engaged in. I'm worried the pharmaceutical companies may have gotten more benefits -- and patients and consumers fewer. I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Progressives have been pushing Clinton for months to take a position on TPP, since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), two of her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, came out against it long ago.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289

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Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP (Original post)	Raine1967	Oct 2015	OP
That will be one interesting vote in February 2016.	geek tragedy	Oct 2015	#1
Flip Flop Flashback	ram2008	Oct 2015	#2
We've just seen the flip. We'll see the flop if she gets the nomination.	merrily	Oct 2015	#64
Hillary haters complaining in 3, 2, 1...	winstars	Oct 2015	#3
or...	retrowire	Oct 2015	#5
You just be quiet and march your	SoapBox	Oct 2015	#8
At least she's predictable!	SoapBox	Oct 2015	#6
or...	riversedge	Oct 2015	#9
Use of "Haters?" Check. naming possible arguments as if doing so invalidates them magically?	dogknob	Oct 2015	#15
She hasn't been privy to what was in it	Control-Z	Oct 2015	#17
Any mook with a search engine has been privy to a lot of what's in it.	Jim Lane	Oct 2015	#30
Yeah, because leaked docs	Control-Z	Oct 2015	#32
And we been allowed....	daleanime	Oct 2015	#42
The leaks were not denied. I suspect we'll now learn that they were fairly close to the final.	Jim Lane	Oct 2015	#54
frrankly	DonCoquixote	Oct 2015	#60
Shame on you for not capitalizing Mook's name!	merrily	Oct 2015	#66
I was standing in solidarity with the DUers who do not have a "caps friendly" keyboard.	Jim Lane	Oct 2015	#69
es verdad, mi hermano, venceremos	merrily	Oct 2015	#70
Hating Two Faced Politicians	billhicks76	Oct 2015	#20
Wondering if all the Hillary lovers who argued in support of the TPP will flip as well..	raindaddy	Oct 2015	#23
I'm not a hater, but it is too late	Auggie	Oct 2015	#24
We'll take it as a positive.	ozone_man	Oct 2015	#41
Stomp out bullying from those who follow HRC's methodology of accusing anyone who doesn't	24601	Oct 2015	#50
Can we help it if WE are paying attention? nt	artislife	Oct 2015	#52
Which one of those would actually be false again?	merrily	Oct 2015	#65
well, duh.	Hiraeth	Oct 2015	#4
If Hillary came out against it now...	SandersDem	Oct 2015	#7
+1	OrwellwasRight	Oct 2015	#39
Or it a done deal....	daleanime	Oct 2015	#43
I tend to this is correct, saddly. nt	artislife	Oct 2015	#53
Or a candidate who is making her seem somewhat more evitable is against it.	merrily	Oct 2015	#67
Again, She's The Last Horse Out Of The Barn! It's A Distubing Pattern With Her!	NonMetro	Oct 2015	#10
Even though she's been helping negotiate it??	Blue_Tires	Oct 2015	#11
I have my doubts too but her involvement did end 2 1/2 years ago. There have been many	pampango	Oct 2015	#12
Perhaps the fix is in...	Bubzer	Oct 2015	#14
She had been.	Control-Z	Oct 2015	#18
This is from 2013	artislife	Oct 2015	#55
What They Say	The River	Oct 2015	#13
Pressured to do the right thing FOR VOTES!!!	d_legendary1	Oct 2015	#22
The Bernie Effect. nt	TeamPooka	Oct 2015	#16
Good news	dbackjon	Oct 2015	#19
what this says	Robbins	Oct 2015	#21
exactly. nt	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#27
Never believe a word the Clintons say on trade	Adenoid_Hynkel	Oct 2015	#25
You didn't have to add the "on trade" part	tularetom	Oct 2015	#31
this is a calculated political decision.	restorefreedom	Oct 2015	#26
K&R!!!!	rury	Oct 2015	#35
Just the other day, a poster predicted that Hillary would do this --	Maedhros	Oct 2015	#28
"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it."	randome	Oct 2015	#29
Methinks the headline writers were the intended audience, not us.	arcane1	Oct 2015	#56
Oh Noes.....	SandersDem	Oct 2015	#33
Post removed	Post removed	Oct 2015	#34
Is Hildebeest now an OK moniker here on DU?	OrwellwasRight	Oct 2015	#40
That is the name they use for Hillary on	upaloopa	Oct 2015	#45
It's not cool.	OrwellwasRight	Oct 2015	#46
I did not alert because I was alert stalked	upaloopa	Oct 2015	#47
Hey lookit!	OrwellwasRight	Oct 2015	#71
I told someone about it and they alerted	upaloopa	Oct 2015	#72
Oh Noes Number Two!	SandersDem	Oct 2015	#36
Well	LiberalElite	Oct 2015	#37
"As of today"	thereismore	Oct 2015	#38
dat careful wording...	retrowire	Oct 2015	#44
Good.	ForgoTheConsequence	Oct 2015	#48
It's too late for it to mean anything, nevertheless . . .	Jack Rabbit	Oct 2015	#49
everyone knows she'll support something once the polls hit 57% against	MisterP	Oct 2015	#51
I support Bernie but will vote for the Dem nominee....This could end	ALBliberal	Oct 2015	#57
Bernie had it right all along.	Sparky 1	Oct 2015	#58
!	Phlem	Oct 2015	#59
More Profiles In Courage from Mrs. "ME TOO!"...no, really, I've ALWAYS been against this........	Indepatriot	Oct 2015	#61
I only wish Clinton would have come out against it before the vote to allow fast track	davidpdx	Oct 2015	#62
Well, I'll come out and say it...	coyote	Oct 2015	#63
+1	CountAllVotes	Oct 2015	#68

Response to Raine1967 (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 04:43 PM

geek tragedy (68,868 posts)

1. That will be one interesting vote in February 2016.

Obama will be for it.

Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley against it.

Presumably Jeb! and Thirsty Marco will be for it, Trump and Crazy Ben will probably be against it.

What will House Republicans do?

Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP

1. That will be one interesting vote in February 2016.

2. Flip Flop Flashback

64. We've just seen the flip. We'll see the flop if she gets the nomination.

3. Hillary haters complaining in 3, 2, 1...

5. or...

8. You just be quiet and march your

6. At least she's predictable!

9. or...

15. Use of "Haters?" Check. naming possible arguments as if doing so invalidates them magically?

17. She hasn't been privy to what was in it

30. Any mook with a search engine has been privy to a lot of what's in it.

32. Yeah, because leaked docs

42. And we been allowed....

54. The leaks were not denied. I suspect we'll now learn that they were fairly close to the final.

60. frrankly

66. Shame on you for not capitalizing Mook's name!

69. I was standing in solidarity with the DUers who do not have a "caps friendly" keyboard.

70. es verdad, mi hermano, venceremos

20. Hating Two Faced Politicians

23. Wondering if all the Hillary lovers who argued in support of the TPP will flip as well..

24. I'm not a hater, but it is too late

41. We'll take it as a positive.

50. Stomp out bullying from those who follow HRC's methodology of accusing anyone who doesn't

52. Can we help it if WE are paying attention? nt

65. Which one of those would actually be false again?

4. well, duh.

7. If Hillary came out against it now...

39. +1

43. Or it a done deal....

53. I tend to this is correct, saddly. nt

67. Or a candidate who is making her seem somewhat more evitable is against it.

10. Again, She's The Last Horse Out Of The Barn! It's A Distubing Pattern With Her!

11. Even though she's been helping negotiate it??

12. I have my doubts too but her involvement did end 2 1/2 years ago. There have been many

14. Perhaps the fix is in...

18. She had been.

55. This is from 2013

13. What They Say

22. Pressured to do the right thing FOR VOTES!!!

16. The Bernie Effect. nt

19. Good news

21. what this says

27. exactly. nt

25. Never believe a word the Clintons say on trade

31. You didn't have to add the "on trade" part

26. this is a calculated political decision.

35. K&R!!!!

28. Just the other day, a poster predicted that Hillary would do this --

29. "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it."

56. Methinks the headline writers were the intended audience, not us.

33. Oh Noes.....

40. Is Hildebeest now an OK moniker here on DU?

45. That is the name they use for Hillary on

46. It's not cool.

47. I did not alert because I was alert stalked

71. Hey lookit!

72. I told someone about it and they alerted

36. Oh Noes Number Two!

37. Well

38. "As of today"

44. dat careful wording...

48. Good.

49. It's too late for it to mean anything, nevertheless . . .

51. everyone knows she'll support something once the polls hit 57% against

57. I support Bernie but will vote for the Dem nominee....This could end

58. Bernie had it right all along.

59. !

61. More Profiles In Courage from Mrs. "ME TOO!"...no, really, I've ALWAYS been against this........

62. I only wish Clinton would have come out against it before the vote to allow fast track

63. Well, I'll come out and say it...

68. +1