Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton came out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership Wednesday, breaking with President Barack Obama on the 12-nation trade deal that is set to become a key part of his legacy.
"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it," Clinton told Judy Woodruff of PBS "Newshour."
"I have said from the very beginning that we had to have a trade agreement that would create good American jobs, raise wages and advance our national security. And I still believe that's the high bar we have to meet," she said. "I have been trying to learn as much as I can about the agreement. But I'm worried. I'm worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. We've lost American jobs to the manipulations that countries, particularly in Asia, have engaged in. I'm worried the pharmaceutical companies may have gotten more benefits -- and patients and consumers fewer. I think there are still a lot of unanswered questions.
Progressives have been pushing Clinton for months to take a position on TPP, since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D), two of her rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, came out against it long ago.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-tpp_56157832e4b0fad1591a9289
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama will be for it.
Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley against it.
Presumably Jeb! and Thirsty Marco will be for it, Trump and Crazy Ben will probably be against it.
What will House Republicans do?
ram2008
(1,238 posts)Hillary in 2012: "..we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/"
Lol! But I guess it's a good thing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)Too late
Too early
Didn't say enough
Said too much
Flip-Flop
maybe we're allowed to express skepticism?
no?
oh then I'll just be quiet then.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Zombie self to the polls for, ya know, The Inevitable One because that's what The Entrenched Establishment Crowd tells you to do.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Guess this was where the Weathervane stopped...for today anyway.
my--- candidate said no a long time ago.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)Check.
Welcome to Discussionist.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)once she left her position as SOS. Think maybe a lot of changes were made in the 3 years since?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)For example, per her statement, she's "worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement"? That was known months ago. USTR said it wasn't in, and the Secretary of the Treasury said it wouldn't BE in because the US wouldn't even try for it because there was so much opposition.
Several chapters have been published in leaked near-final drafts. We'll see if "maybe a lot of changes were made" from the drafts that were widely available.
My guess is that the most objectionable provisions are in substantially the same form as they were when she left office. The negotiating has been over fine points, such as the exact number of years of patent protection for new drugs.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)are so complete and reliable.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)any better information?
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In the leaked versions, perhaps the single point that's drawn the most flak is the ISDS. Is anyone suggesting that there was nothing remotely like that in the version under negotiation as of Clinton's departure from State? It's really integral to the whole scheme.
Let Clinton explain to us how the version that Congress will vote on differs from the one that she described as "the gold standard". I'll be fascinated to hear what changes in the polls in the agreement precipitated her change of heart.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)if someone with her connections and power as SOS did not see any bugs under the hood, she is either a fool, or a liar, neither of which offers any comfort.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)El pueblo unido jamás será vencido.
merrily
(45,251 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Too little IS too late. Your so smart to see that coming. Lol. When it mattered she was silent and trust me supports it. Look at Honduras and the crime she supported there. The fact is TPP is set so now she Pretends she was against it and you wonder why people hate her? You need to take the goggles off.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Auggie
(31,163 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)But keep close scrutiny. Yes, it is likely a calculated ploy to draw in the left/environmentalists.
24601
(3,959 posts)supported of being a hater - or a right wing fanatic or whatever.
And doing it preemptively as well!
Sounds like the vast third-way conspiracy trying to muzzle our legitimate opinions. I will not submit to this bullying.
Believing she's not the best choice for the Presidency is not hating - got it.
artislife
(9,497 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)SandersDem
(592 posts)the wind must be blowing against TPP....perhaps we have reached a critical mass of objection and this thing can be stopped.
I will give her credit for making the right decision here, but my vote is going to the guy I never doubted.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)so anything say now doesn't matter.
artislife
(9,497 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I can't take this seriously. Once the primary is over, she'll say she was referring to some tiny bit of it that she wanted to see changed, but it's better to have the TPP as is than to do without it entirely. I'm staying with the description of "gold standard" she gave it previously as being her actual position.
NonMetro
(631 posts)It's like the Planned Parenthood thing: Bernie denounced the GOP as soon as those phony videos came out, Hillary about 2 months later! Her campaign people need to have a long talk with her about this. A really loooooooong talk! And not next year!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Seems legit...
pampango
(24,692 posts)negotiations and changes since then.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)She had been helping negotiate it. She was helping while SOS. Think perhaps some changes were made since?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Does it sound like a great trade agreement with only roses and rainbows for the American, hell--- global, worker?
NAFTA screwed pretty much everyone but the corporations who made a lot of money.
The River
(2,615 posts)and what they do after being elected are often two different things as Obama has proved.
I'll stick with someone who doesn't have to be pressured to do the right thing.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Let's get it right! If Republicans won't vote for Conserve-Dems why should I or any left-leaning individual for that matter?
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)they are hoping this ends her failing poll numbers.
I see a satregry forming going into first debate.try selling herself as true progressive in race.Hope this scares off Biden.and say
everything you like about bernie you get from me but i have been tested against the republicans.
It would last long enough to win nomination.then she starts to move back to the right.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Remember how Bill vowed in 1992 that he was going to "stop coddling Chinese dictators?"
Instead, he ended up giving them permanent Most Favored Nation status, opening the doors for outsourcing to Beijing's labor force of prisons and sweatshops.
They'll sell out labor again in a heartbeat. It's the DLC way.
Anyone who falls for this again is a gullible sap.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)They've been lying to us for 20 years and getting away with it because we were convinced that republicans were the only alternative.
This TPP thing is just the latest scam. She's convinced the thing is going to go through so her opposition is meaningless. She had nothing to gain by supporting it, just like the Keystone pipeline, which, due to the falling price of oil, won't get built for a long time, if ever.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)One criticism I have never leveled against Hillary is the one that says she's not smart. The debates are in a week. Bernie is positioned to clean her clock on every major issue. By adopting his positions in some cases several decades after he did, and claiming them as her own, she'll be able to sound like the big heroine who's the front runner to beat Trump.
this is all designed to minimize what was destined to be a horrible debate performance by Hillary and to water down the contrast between her and Bernie. She also gave her self wiggle room in the way that she said she was against it by saying something like the way we know it to be now. I don't doubt for a minute that if she were to get into the presidency she would turn around and support her corporate friends and sell us all out.
and, the lateness with which she made this decision shows once again that she is a follower and not a leader.
rury
(1,021 posts)and, the lateness with which she made this decision shows once again that she is a follower and not a leader.
DAMN STRAIGHT!!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)-- with nearly EXACTLY the same wording -- right after the TPP was approved and it was too late to stop it.
Hats off to that poster.
randome
(34,845 posts)Is that the same as being against it? I don't think so. She's hedging her bets, rarely a good thing to see but somewhat understandable since she's a politician.
Headline writers get too excited sometimes, I think.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
arcane1
(38,613 posts)We're supposed to only see "Clinton Opposes TPP" and miss the subtlety.
SandersDem
(592 posts)Response to Raine1967 (Original post)
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OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)I mean, I concur in not finding her terribly honest or pincipled, but that name seems excessive...
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Freerepublic. I wish some people would stop carrying water for wing nut repubs.
I think today there was a OP relating Hillary to Hitler
Now there is a silent tribute to the author.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)I'd alert, but the only time I ever alerted on a reprehensible post, I was voted down 6-0. And, most times I serve on a jury the offense seems trivial, so maybe I am overreacting.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)twice and I don't think the jury systems works well right now
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)They hid the post. Maybe the juries sometimes work after all.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)SandersDem
(592 posts)She supported it in HER BOOK....
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/651909186259943424
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)weathervanes do come in handy sometimes.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)could mean tomorrow might be different. No promises broken.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)"as of today"
nope.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)Even FDR had to be pushed to the left. I support Sanders but this makes me feel better about voting for Hillary if she is the nominee.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . I won't have to hold my nose quite as hard when I vote in the general election.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and even more people doubt she'll have any compunction about pushing for it once her hand is off the Bible two Januaries from now
ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)Up being a "She was for it before she was against it" meme in the general election...ala John Kerry. This is not good. It frustrates me that she will be attacked for inconsistency which in turn makes her leadership skills seem questionable.
Sparky 1
(400 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)She didn't have a vote, but certainly could have influenced some in Congress to vote against it. If fast track had been killed then there would be no vote on TPP. I can tell you for sure TPP is a sure bet now that its been negotiated. Congress is going to sell us down the river. It won't matter who is president we WILL BE LOCKED INTO IT.
coyote
(1,561 posts)I don't believe her and therein lies the problem.
Agree. Nothing else to add sadly.