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tecelote

(5,122 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:03 AM Oct 2015

Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target

Source: Huffingtonpost



U.S. drone strikes have killed scores of civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.

he controversial U.S. drone strike program in the Middle East aims to pinpoint and kill terrorist leaders, but new documents indicate that a staggering number of these "targeted killings" affect far more people than just their targets.

According to a new report from The Intercept, nearly 90 percent of people killed in recent drone strikes in Afghanistan "were not the intended targets" of the attacks.

Documents detailing a special operations campaign in northeastern Afghanistan, Operation Haymaker, show that between January 2012 and February 2013, U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets. In Yemen and Somalia, where the U.S. has far more limited intelligence capabilities to confirm the people killed are the intended targets, the equivalent ratios may well be much worse.

The report, compiled from classified documents released by a source in the intelligence community, corroborates the many news accounts of civilian deaths caused by drone strikes. U.S. drone strikes have killed scores of civilians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia since 2009.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff



THE GOAL: ENDLESS WAR

We're all accountable. It's our tax dollars doing the murdering.

Makes me sick.
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Nearly 90 Percent Of People Killed In Recent Drone Strikes Were Not The Target (Original Post) tecelote Oct 2015 OP
Is it because they hit the wrong place or the target is with others? 7962 Oct 2015 #1
when you blow up a wedding you are deliberately targetting civilians. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #2
+1 tecelote Oct 2015 #3
Thats ONE example. I'd like to know the full stats & how they were reached. 7962 Oct 2015 #6
wait just a second now w0nderer Oct 2015 #7
either and both restorefreedom Oct 2015 #8
Thank you for an actual useful answer 7962 Oct 2015 #12
you're welcome restorefreedom Oct 2015 #13
spot on! uawchild Oct 2015 #20
most welcome! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #22
Wow. I'm Shocked. mr goodbeer Oct 2015 #4
So we give the executive branch the right to murder anyone they want fasttense Oct 2015 #5
I'm sorry to say that this must be seen in the Middle East as American terrorism AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #9
Exactly. tecelote Oct 2015 #10
Terror from the skies Martin Eden Oct 2015 #18
So as taxpaying Americans, we are all responsible for funding murder... AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #11
Only if you don't give a damn. tecelote Oct 2015 #15
Defenders will still find ways to twist themselves in knots to justify this. marmar Oct 2015 #14
It is OK FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #16
Meanwhile we are nursing whole generation of "moderate" jihadists Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #17
Note: Neither of the Dem primary front runners is planning to end the drone program salib Oct 2015 #19
Fine, we'll go back to conventional bombing then... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #21
Or maybe disengage from the perpetual war? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #23
I'm fine with that... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #24
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
1. Is it because they hit the wrong place or the target is with others?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:01 AM
Oct 2015

We've seen for years that the bad guys will stay in private homes, travel with civilians, etc. Are the strikes killing 1 bad guy and 15 others or are they missing the targeted person completely?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. when you blow up a wedding you are deliberately targetting civilians.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:06 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:09 AM - Edit history (1)

The excuse "but there was a bad guy there" is irrelevant. It is a war crime.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
6. Thats ONE example. I'd like to know the full stats & how they were reached.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:31 AM
Oct 2015

The enemy will ALWAYS say civilians were killed.
If our intelligence is so bad, which I believe, then how are we able to determine this 90% rate is correct? We've known from the start that Islamists will use civilians as shields with no problem. They look at it as a PR opportunity when some are killed.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
7. wait just a second now
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

just cause someone targeted a primarily civilian function ...are you saying primarily civilians got damaged?

waow
well played warren had to push it a little further for the sarcasm disabled

and yes it is and no it won't be punished
because war crimes only happen against the US, never by the US
there are re-education camps(sponsored by fox) for people believing otherwise

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
8. either and both
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:41 AM
Oct 2015

in some cases, innocents are in tow. in some cases, they are using tech tracking to id the "target"....so they may be bombing a phone but don't necessarily know whether a combatant or an innocent is attached at that phone at that moment.

this video explains it disturbingly well

https://m.



restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
13. you're welcome
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:04 AM
Oct 2015

i think all of us should be informed and aware as to what our govt is doing and the results of that action.

edit..but fwiw, i do think this gets the u.s deep into war crime territory, which is why its even more important to have the facts and the stats.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
5. So we give the executive branch the right to murder anyone they want
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:30 AM
Oct 2015

Then they use it to murder mostly innocent people. What a surprise. Just think who a RepubliCON would use it on.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
18. Terror from the skies
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:49 AM
Oct 2015

It's no less terror than a car bomber who blows up a market place.
Human beings are violently killed & maimed.

Excruciating pain.
Psychological trama.
Horrible grief.

The US government knows for a fact these "targeted" killings are causing significant "collateral" damage, yet they (we) continue to do it.

Why?

Does it really make us "safe"??

If my family was thusly murdered, I don't know what I would do -- but I can understand those who dedicate their lives to striking back in any way they can.

I strongly suspect we are recruiting more terrorists than we kill.

This is a program for perpetual war.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
11. So as taxpaying Americans, we are all responsible for funding murder...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:59 AM
Oct 2015

Any American who pays taxes, who drives a gasoline car, who eats meat, who wears clothes that were made in another country, who uses a smartphone, etc... can't claim any moral authority and can't claim to be a good person because they are contributing to suffering in this world.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
15. Only if you don't give a damn.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:24 AM
Oct 2015

Good people are not perfect people. We need to be accountable to work towards a better solution.

If we stop creating terrorists we will reduce their number more effectively than drones and the war on terrorism.

This post is my effort to do what I can here.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
17. Meanwhile we are nursing whole generation of "moderate" jihadists
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:46 AM
Oct 2015

In Syria. This all makes Orwell 1984 doublespeak look funny.

salib

(2,116 posts)
19. Note: Neither of the Dem primary front runners is planning to end the drone program
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

We still have a long way to go.

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