‘NATO 3’ Had Targeted Obama Campaign HQ, Rahm’s House, Police Stations, Prosecutors Say

[Purveyor]

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

The NATO Summit protesters charged with plotting terrorist acts in Chicago planned to attack President Barack Obama’s campaign headquarters and Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s home — and firebomb police stations and squad cars to divert attention, according to sources and prosecutors.

One defendant allegedly said “the city doesn’t know what it’s in for” and “after NATO, the city will never be the same,” prosecutors alleged in court documents.

But undercover Chicago Police officers infiltrated the group of NATO Summit protesters, watching them as they allegedly made Molotov cocktails — bottles filled with flammable liquid that are used as firebombs, sources said.

“We have people watching them do it,” said one law enforcement source. The undercover operation had been underway for weeks.

Read more: http://www.suntimes.com/news/12635179-761/nato-3-had-targeted-obama-campaign-hq-rahms-house-police-stations-prosecutors-say.html

[Archae]

1. Sounds like these "Black Bloc" people are terrorists.

Of course, just like some on right claim THEIR terrorists can do no wrong, those on the left will claim these people do no wrong...

(Just waiting for someone to trot out the "agent provocateur" meme)

[EFerrari]

7. I don't understand, in view that COINTELPRO is a documented program,

and in view of the fact that FBI has been caught over and over again putting patsies up to disruption and in view of the fact that Occupy has caught cops infiltrating on video, why you seem to think this is a "meme"? I don't get it.

[Archae]

9. Because they don't HAVE to be "agents from the other side."

Just as there are those on the right all-too-willing to kill and destroy for their particular "cause," there are those on the left all-too-willing to kill and destroy.

[EFerrari]

12. Really? Can you point out these killers and destroyers on the left?

Looks like I've missed them altogether. Thanks.

[Archae]

16. Just a couple examples, some defunct, others not...

The Symbionese Liberation Army.

The ALF.

The Black Bloc itself.

[LeftyMom]

24. Fail.

The ALF is non-violent. By definition.

And a black bloc is a tactic, not an organization.

[hack89]

31. Arson is non-violent? Really? nt

[LeftyMom]

32. That's why it's a property crime.

[hack89]

34. But it still terrorizes and intimidates.

that's why they do it. They could care less about the property - the people in those buildings are the real targets.

[TBF]

35. ALF is labeled terrorist but that is just stupid.

They liberate animals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front

Black Bloc - a tactic - anyone can dress up in black and disrupt (could be actual groups or the police)

Symbionese Liberation Army - I'll give you that one unless someone w/more knowledge can chime in


I think historically we've seen more far right-wing groups causing problems, but I'm not going to make a blanket statement that leftists never disrupt. Of course I may find more to agree with even if I don't like their tactics. I'm a pacifist yet I have a strong affinity for Emma Goldman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Goldman). While I couldn't see myself doing what she did, I sure agree with much of her philosophy.

[LiberalLovinLug]

15. Anarchists, Black Block, are NOT "on the left"

Anarchists are closer to the Paulbots than anyone. They are extreme Libertarians. They picture some idealized utopia where no one can tell them what to do, no rules, or regulations. No social responsibilities. Libertarianism taken to its ultimate end.

Personally I think its time to ban Black Block from peaceful protests. They should be surrounded and made to take off their face coverings if they want to participate. Not only to prevent the reputation and goals of the protest, but to fish out police agent provocateurs that, YES, are being used more and more, especially hidden within Black Block. If others in the BB don't start something, you can be sure that one of these scumbag provocateurs will throw a brick through a window to get things started.

[joshcryer]

21. I guess Food Not Bombs and ABC are horrible groups as well.

[Archae]

23. Who's "ABC?"

And the two groups you mention sound good, if that's what they do.

If "Food, Not Bombs" does give out food and not blow up buildings and people.

This entire conversation reminds me of when I was briefly on a Maoist message board, just for laughs.

I was kicked off rather quickly, you see, I had the absolute *GALL* to say that Joe Stalin and Mao Zedong were vicious brutal dictators.

But I guess anyone everyone to the left is so noble they shit marbles and can do no wrong.

[joshcryer]

27. ABC is Anarchist Black Cross.

Food Not Bombs has been a significant contributor of food to Occupy for its entire existence.

[LiberalLovinLug]

30. I didn't actually understand your response

Until I read your OP that you linked to in the thread. You object to criticizing any group that wants to participate as "divide and conquer". Do I have that right?

My issue is not with groups joining up, its with groups that join only for their own disparaging agendas that are opposed to the protest's objectives. Black Block live with a deluded vision of a world where they will remain young and healthy forever and rule in a Mad Max world with no rules where the strongest (they) survive. They have no use for the Occupy or the 99% ideals who for the most part just want fairness and accountability for the 1%, but still want to remain in a regulated, lawful, democratic country.

Even then, they are welcome to protest for ideals that they reject if thats what they want. The issue is that they are only there because of the ability to take cover in a large crowd in order to show their frustrations with society through violent acts and destruction, not caring how this stains the goals of the crowd they hide in.

If they were actually behind the ideals of the Occupy movement and/or did not want to stain its message with violence, they would not be ashamed or afraid to show their faces. Wear all black, show your colours, but expose your face like all the other brave protesters. This will take a weapon out of the hands of the state controlled infiltrators to purposely entice and start mayhem in order to give their cohorts behind police lines a reason to attack.

[joshcryer]

20. See my post here, this is a classic case of agent infiltrator:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12522619

Goading idiots into being stupid.

[PSPS]

2. "We have people watching them do it"

I presume the accurate statement will turn out to be, "We have people helping them do it." That's the usual scenario.

[arely staircase]

11. and encouraging them nt

[leveymg]

3. So the molotovs were a diversion to an attack on the most heavily defended target? With what? Beer?

"'We have people watching them do it,' said one law enforcement source. The undercover operation had been underway for weeks."

Does this any of this necessarily have to make any sense, at all?

[Fire Walk With Me]

4. Agents Provocateur

Luke Rudkowski ?@Lukewearechange
Was just at the #nato3 terrorism hearings defense says an undercover cop helped provide explosives and instigated call for violence

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The FBI did the same thing in Cleveland.

[dipsydoodle]

6. aka

"a put up job"

[EFerrari]

8. I must have read a thousand posts from Occupy in the last few days

and strangely none of them are looking forward to violence.

[arely staircase]

14. if anybody was planning violence they were not representative of occupy as a whole

and were more than likely not only observed but suggested to and encouraged by these undercover agents. it isn't like they don't do such things. it will be interesting to see what all this "observing" consisted of.

[joshcryer]

19. FBI is extremely good at MIHOP. It's shocking it's 'legal.'

[Blue_Tires]

26. Clearly the cops there have nothing better to do

Not like there's real crimes going on elsewhere in Chicago...

[EFerrari]

5. I'll have that baloney on a kaiser roll. n/t

[IamK]

10. Occupy Chicago connections.... surprise.....

http://observer.com/2012/05/19/chicago-police-arrest-3-anti-n-a-t-o-occupy-protesters-allege-plans-to-attack-obamas-chicago-h-q/

[coalition_unwilling]

13. Had to put Archae on Ignore, as I just couldn't take it anymore - n/t

[randome]

17. Good to know who can't hold up their side of a discussion.

Of course you may not be seeing this because I'm probably on your 'list', as well.

[coalition_unwilling]

22. Consider it done! - n/t

[randome]

18. It sounds like there is a little more to it than just police fun and games.

Especially in the linked to court documents.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/chicago_nato_bomb_plot_obama_headquarters_mayor_emanuel.php?ref=fpa

Snippet from the court document:

The defendants CHASE and BETTERLY are self-proclaimed anarchists, and
members of the "Black El-loc" group, who traveled together from Florida to the Chicago ai-aa in
preparation for cornmining terrorist acts of violence and destruction directed against different
targets in protest to the NATO Summit. Specifically, plans were made to destroy police cars and attack four CPD stations with destructive devices, in an effort to undermine the police response to the conspirators' other planned actions for the NATO Summit, Some of the proposed targets included the Campaign Headquarters of LLS. President Barack Obama, the personal residence of Chicago Mayor Rahrn Emmanuel, and certain downtown financial institutions.

D'-Wing the CHURCH Stated that he wanted to recruit four groups of four coconspirators (for a total of sixteen people) to conduct the raids, and that reconnaissance had already been conducted at CPD Headquarters located at 3510 South Michigan Avenue for the purpose of a planned attack. As part of their efforts, the defendants also possessed and for constructed improvised explosive-incendiary devices arid various types of dangerous weapons (including a mortar gun, swords, hunting bow, throwing stars, and knives with brass~lcnuckle handles). as Well police counter-measures such as pre~positioned shields, assault vest, gas mask equipment and other gear to help hide their identity during their operations. At one point in
the investigation, CHURCH stated that he also wanted to buy several assault rifles, and indicated that if a police officer was going to point a at him, then CHURCH would be "pointing one back" at the cop.

[nobodyspecial]

25. C'mon

All of that is necessary to make beer.

[randome]

28. Beer with a 'kick' to it?

[magic59]

29. There are several right wing terrorist organizations opperating in the US

and they all take their orders from Fox News.