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Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:03 PM Nov 2015

Breaking: Obama Administration Will Reject Keystone XL Pipeline

Source: Wall Street Journal

@WSJ: Breaking: Obama administration will reject Keystone XL pipeline https://t.co/5xQPDPcm8q

Obama Administration to Reject Keystone XL Pipeline, Citing Climate Concerns

State Department review faced many delays since TransCanada’s 2008 proposal

By AMY HARDER
Updated Nov. 6, 2015 11:09 a.m. ETWASHINGTON—The Obama administration will reject the Keystone XL pipeline, according to people familiar with the decision, capping a politically charged review of the oil project that lasted more than seven years and escalated into a broader debate on energy, climate change and the economy.

President Barack Obama is expected to cite the urgency of climate change as a key reason behind his decision, these people said.


Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-administration-to-reject-keystone-xl-pipeline-citing-climate-concerns-1446825732

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Breaking: Obama Administration Will Reject Keystone XL Pipeline (Original Post) Hissyspit Nov 2015 OP
Yes!!! JackInGreen Nov 2015 #1
#KeystoneXL no longer alive and well, great news L. Coyote Nov 2015 #37
Three Cheers for Obama: lewebley3 Nov 2015 #46
many more from me, too wordpix Nov 2015 #99
those pipes NJCher Nov 2015 #49
Here's the music central scrutinizer Nov 2015 #77
Thankyou!!! blm Nov 2015 #2
Yes. Obama Kerry and Biden 8:45 on.. YvonneCa Nov 2015 #9
thanks! can't watch this now, but will look up the video archive later. MBS Nov 2015 #16
MSNBC live too! YvonneCa Nov 2015 #21
YES! n/t MBS Nov 2015 #17
Didn't Canada just pull the plug themselves? Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #3
I believe they asked US to delay its decision (probably WheelWalker Nov 2015 #8
No, they asked the US to STOP the process. I didn't see anything about a "delay". Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #10
Yes they did Andy823 Nov 2015 #14
I stand corrected! My 60 year old brain played another trick on me! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #25
yup, Obama plays the long game. MBS Nov 2015 #28
Nope, they originally wanted to "suspend" the process MBS Nov 2015 #15
I stand corrected! My 60 year old brain played another trick on me! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #26
TransCanada asked the U.S. to suspend the application. Eugene Nov 2015 #19
I stand corrected! My 60 year old brain played another trick on me! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #27
I think you're right. My main point was Canada didn't want a denial issued which WheelWalker Nov 2015 #57
The work used was to "suspend" the review karynnj Nov 2015 #89
Well it's about damned time... SoapBox Nov 2015 #4
How about "Way to go Obama!" randys1 Nov 2015 #30
funny that it seems tough for some to give credit where due, and they seem troubled still_one Nov 2015 #48
And I am sure those conclusions could have been made two minutes after the permit randys1 Nov 2015 #51
Perhaps it could have been shorter, but doing environmental impact studies, and going through still_one Nov 2015 #56
Way to go, Obama! SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #70
Square this with his intention of signing the TPP truebluegreen Nov 2015 #98
Errr my gawd the another Pres Obama doom & gloom giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #5
Impossible. Lefties on DU Told me He Secretly Lerved It! alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #6
Maybe Andy823 Nov 2015 #18
Oh, they never eat the crow. They walk away pretending it has nothing to do with them. Hekate Nov 2015 #32
I agree Andy823 Nov 2015 #36
Which is a big reason why I believe nothing they say about the TPP. Cry "Wolf!" Often enough... Hekate Nov 2015 #42
No, this isn't crying wolf. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #71
How much of the text of the TPP have you read? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #87
But ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #20
YUP ... DU's Combustible Hair Club is wrong yet again. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #68
Read Esquire mags story rpannier Nov 2015 #96
No they'll say it was a gift to Hillary ToxMarz Nov 2015 #50
Yet another hair-on-fire reaction from the DU left. DCBob Nov 2015 #55
Terrific news! flpoljunkie Nov 2015 #7
Cool. bigwillq Nov 2015 #11
Pretty easy to reject it when the Canadians had already put a stop to it. Luciferous Nov 2015 #12
Oh, please! They wanted a delay because they didn't want a rejection. GOP would give it to them kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #23
You really should educate yourself on the process and why this is important. randys1 Nov 2015 #31
Derp - They requested papers be pulled because they wanted NEXT president to OK it. blm Nov 2015 #44
No wonder Canada Pipeline just last week asked the State Department to suspend the review.... Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #13
Very, very good, Mr. President. nt Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #22
great news Robbins Nov 2015 #24
Awesome! blackspade Nov 2015 #29
Good riddance. The pipeline was a convenient way to export North American tar sand oil to China. leveymg Nov 2015 #33
It's a good morning. Hekate Nov 2015 #34
Good, but I swear I read they withdrew their application. It was dead already, I thought. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #35
Nope - they were hoping for delay to next president. blm Nov 2015 #45
They wanted to 'suspend it' until after the Presidential election. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #60
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #38
This is TERRIBLE!!!!!11111 jpak Nov 2015 #39
sweet. n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #40
The truth is this. Shale oil isn't profitable unless oil is $90 a barrel. Vinca Nov 2015 #43
Thank you Pres. riversedge Nov 2015 #47
Great News. However.... what's to keep them from trying again (and again, and again)? groundloop Nov 2015 #53
Bush had given the go ahead in 2007. Obama resisted since then. freshwest Nov 2015 #69
Elect Democrats. No "loyalty oath" nonsense, just the sense to know that any Dem ... Hekate Nov 2015 #82
so does he need to veto the XL bill again like he did last year? Sunlei Nov 2015 #54
Thank Bernie DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #58
Outstanding! Bubzer Nov 2015 #59
Love it Johnny2X2X Nov 2015 #61
Good. Next, end the F'ing TPP!!!! Phlem Nov 2015 #62
K&R deutsey Nov 2015 #63
YES!!!! underpants Nov 2015 #64
YES! SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #65
BOOM SHAKKA LAKKA! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #66
Good news. Wish he would reverse his decision on the TPP AllyCat Nov 2015 #67
Me, too. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #73
Hasn't climate change been a concern for awhile now? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #72
Propers.. frylock Nov 2015 #74
I've been calling this for months. joshcryer Nov 2015 #75
Now if they TPP can equally go down in flames. nt Javaman Nov 2015 #76
KICK! Cha Nov 2015 #78
KICK IT AGAIN!!! ailsagirl Nov 2015 #79
.. Cha Nov 2015 #80
You said it, Cha!!! ailsagirl Nov 2015 #81
I am glad he finally saw the light. Maybe our lobbying efforts paid off. Now let's kill the TPP.nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #83
Good news. Besides at oil's current price, the Keystone Pipeline would be a losing JDPriestly Nov 2015 #84
Common Dreams: "Obama Rejects Keystone XL: This Is Big.... And Just the Beginning" proverbialwisdom Nov 2015 #85
thanks, next step: dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #95
Ding done the pipeline is dead! davidpdx Nov 2015 #86
2014 James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism: "Port Arthur, Texas: American Sacrifice Zone proverbialwisdom Nov 2015 #88
I think it's all smoke and mirrors on Obama's part. Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #90
No, that's not how those work, and the TPP doesn't change our current arbitration with Canada Recursion Nov 2015 #91
I'm glad President Obama is picking the side of climate change lately Hydra Nov 2015 #92
The edge of your seat suspense took too long--wondering if he was Duckfan Nov 2015 #93
Don't forget to email your thanks to the White House n/t eridani Nov 2015 #94
I don't have time to read this whole thread truebluegreen Nov 2015 #97

L. Coyote

(51,134 posts)
37. #KeystoneXL no longer alive and well, great news
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015
Twitter stream

@POTUS is expected to reject #KeystoneXL today. He will make a statement at 11:45 AM. Watch: https://www.whitehouse.gov/live


Mashable

MBS

(9,688 posts)
16. thanks! can't watch this now, but will look up the video archive later.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:20 PM
Nov 2015

Excellent news.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
3. Didn't Canada just pull the plug themselves?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

I'm to the point I don't trust anyone anymore. But this is GREAT NEWS any way you look at it!

WheelWalker

(9,402 posts)
8. I believe they asked US to delay its decision (probably
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Nov 2015

realizing the decision would be adverse) and then when US said it would not delay decision, Canada pulled application. That's understanding of what went down.

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
14. Yes they did
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

It was all about delaying the process until after the elections because they hoped that the next president would OK the pipeline, especially if it were republican.

Looks like Obama outsmarted them.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
28. yup, Obama plays the long game.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:39 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)

I also think that he has particular contempt for transparent political games (what he called "okey-dokey" in one of his 2008 debates with Hillary) , of which the Canadian "suspension" was a particularly insulting example.

Good job, Pres. Obama!

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Nope, they originally wanted to "suspend" the process
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
Nov 2015

. .with one theory being that a future US administration would be more likely to approve it.

It's GOOD news that Obama has rejected it, and that he's got an environmentalist SoS, John Kerry, who's been on the forefront of these issues from the beginning.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
26. I stand corrected! My 60 year old brain played another trick on me!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:39 PM
Nov 2015

Thank you for that!

WheelWalker

(9,402 posts)
57. I think you're right. My main point was Canada didn't want a denial issued which
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:36 PM
Nov 2015

I speculate they knew was in the offing.

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
89. The work used was to "suspend" the review
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:40 PM
Nov 2015

It was people like Rachel Maddow, who jumped to saying this means it was essentially dead. The State department was asked in several of this week's briefings if they would end the review - and they said "no".

My guess as to what happened? That the Obama administration gave a heads up to Canada that they were issuing their decision soon and what it would be. The company then preferred to "suspend it" until the Nebraska piece was worked out -- ie into early 2017. Gee, what could happen then?

What is clear is that the State Department did an extensive analysis - ignoring the report that came out in early 2013 - which was done under guidelines that made a yes very likely. Here is a link to the State Department statement. http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/11/249249.htm If you look at the reasons - this will make it harder for the company to come back - even if (heaven forbid) there is a Republican President in 2017.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
4. Well it's about damned time...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

And after Keystone asks for, what was it, a suspension of the process or permit?

http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/keystone-xls-builder-asks-suspension-pipeline-application.html

"Keystone XLS's Builder Asks for Suspension of Pipeline Application

November 3, 2015

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
48. funny that it seems tough for some to give credit where due, and they seem troubled
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:08 PM
Nov 2015

that they go through an intensive study to get the facts to judge its feasibility. Here are there conclusions:

1. It would NOT make a meaningful contribution to our economy

If congress approved the Intra structure plan, that would make a meaningful contribution to our economy

2. The pipeline would NOT lower gas prices for consumers

3. Shipping dirty oil into our country does not increase our energy security. Alternative clean energy will make us energy independence long term





randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. And I am sure those conclusions could have been made two minutes after the permit
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

was requested and the rest of it was of course politics.

But that is why you elect Obama, because McCain or Romney approve this in two seconds.

McCain, Romney, CArson or Rubio destroy social security in two seconds.

etc

etc

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
56. Perhaps it could have been shorter, but doing environmental impact studies, and going through
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

community outreach to those states where the pipeline will go through, does take time.

Unfortunately, the pipeline issue is not over. It will be a major election issue for 2016, with the republicans saying that it would have increased jobs, and oil independence, both of which are false. However, I am not that assured that the American populous will see it that way, and it will be a tough fight. It also doesn't help that we are a net importer of oil, and will be so for a long time, but the argument against that is we push alternative energy paths even more, which will bring actual long term energy independence.

Going to be interesting I suspect


SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
70. Way to go, Obama!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

THANK YOU!

MAJOR props also to Jane Kleeb and Bold Nebraska for their great work. Their fingerprints are all over this decision.

http://boldnebraska.org

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
98. Square this with his intention of signing the TPP
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
Nov 2015

which permits energy companies to sue governments that pass laws that impact their bottom line (fracking, drilling, etc).

Just explain that to me.

What do you bet TransCanada finds a way to revisit this issue?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
5. Errr my gawd the another Pres Obama doom & gloom
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nov 2015

once again failed to come to true. I'm shocked I tell you shocked.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. Impossible. Lefties on DU Told me He Secretly Lerved It!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

Oh, wait, that's right: it was only through their special efforts that he was forced against his will to reject it.

It's nice when every result confirms your worldview, I suppose.

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
18. Maybe
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:21 PM
Nov 2015

Those who were telling us that are not "real" lefties?

Some here have made a career out of trashing president Obama from day one, and now will once again have to eat crow because they were wrong.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
32. Oh, they never eat the crow. They walk away pretending it has nothing to do with them.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

Good trick, eh?

Andy823

(11,555 posts)
36. I agree
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:50 PM
Nov 2015

The last "hair on fire" claim was how Obama was throwing Medicare and SSD under the bus. A whole thread was about how terrible he was. Then it came out Bernie Sanders voted FOR the same bill they were complaining about, and not one of the commented on the fact they were all wrong. One would think that after so many time of them being wrong, they would at least wait to find out the facts, but I guess it won't happen.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
42. Which is a big reason why I believe nothing they say about the TPP. Cry "Wolf!" Often enough...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:00 PM
Nov 2015

....and the village fails to show up to relieve your boredom.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
71. No, this isn't crying wolf.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

It's a really really really bad deal. Even worse, the bill was crafted in secret:

Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch said on Thursday the final text had revealed details about the deal that were worse than expected.

"Apparently, the TPP's proponents resorted to such extreme secrecy during negotiations because the text shows that the TPP would offshore more American jobs, lower our wages, flood us with unsafe imported food and expose our laws to attack in foreign tribunals ," the organization's director Lori Wallach said.

http://www.citizen.org/TPP

I'd be shocked if even one DUer supported this.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
87. How much of the text of the TPP have you read?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

Because no one has to take anything on belief now that the horrendous agreement has been released.

Read the portion on the TPP arbitration courts and dispute resolution. It will make your hair stand all on its own.

The TPP is really as bad as they say.

Of course, many will not understand what it says well enough to realize how bad it really is.

Further, without all the pressure from environmentalists and many of us crying "Wolf," Obama probably would have signed it.

In a democracy, we have a civic duty to cry wolf when a measure that we know is bad or dangerous is up for a decision.

That's our duty as citizens.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
52. But ...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

They'll always have the, &quot paraphrasing) with a bill this big ... they always put everything in it, including the kitchen sink" argument to preserve their indignation, should a single thing go wrong with the bill ... and they need to exonerate the one, while condemning another.

Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #6)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. YUP ... DU's Combustible Hair Club is wrong yet again.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
Nov 2015

Endless angry OPs about how Obama was going to "force this down our throats" ...

"Obama's going to CAVE!!!! "

"He LOVES the oil companies and hates the environment!!!!"

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

I'm sure they'll be along soon to eat some crow.

Na ... they'll claim Putin stopped him.

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

rpannier

(24,924 posts)
96. Read Esquire mags story
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

It's a pretty good read
It shows what happens when competing groups find themselves on similar ground

ToxMarz

(2,930 posts)
50. No they'll say it was a gift to Hillary
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

Because she wants to be the one to approve it as a gift to her corporate masters

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
55. Yet another hair-on-fire reaction from the DU left.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

How many times have they been wrong about this President?

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
23. Oh, please! They wanted a delay because they didn't want a rejection. GOP would give it to them
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

if they won in 2016. Do you haters ever give up?

blm

(114,658 posts)
44. Derp - They requested papers be pulled because they wanted NEXT president to OK it.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

Obama denied their request. Then he denied the deal. It's the way the PROCESS works.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. No wonder Canada Pipeline just last week asked the State Department to suspend the review....
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

and backed off politely when told "thanks for asking, but no thanks"!

Folks evolving on issues to come to the correct conclusion after careful study is a wonderful thing, contrarians are wrong.

Obama and the Democratic Party are marching to the left, and it is a good thing that the voters will welcome....just ask Canada.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
33. Good riddance. The pipeline was a convenient way to export North American tar sand oil to China.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

Please to hear this. The President got this one right.

I guess Hillary will now be against it. Maybe, not.

blm

(114,658 posts)
45. Nope - they were hoping for delay to next president.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

Their request to pull papers was denied and now the deal has been struck down altogether.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
60. They wanted to 'suspend it' until after the Presidential election.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

They were assuming the winner would be pro-KXL, and they probably would have been right.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
43. The truth is this. Shale oil isn't profitable unless oil is $90 a barrel.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:02 PM
Nov 2015

It's half that now and will probably stay that way unless the Wall Street casino gets going in that market again. I'm glad the POTUS is saying "no" once and for all, but this is more a decision made by the price of oil than a brave political decision.

groundloop

(13,849 posts)
53. Great News. However.... what's to keep them from trying again (and again, and again)?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

If, by some God-awful chance, a republican got elected to the White House, couldn't they just submit the application and get approval then?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
69. Bush had given the go ahead in 2007. Obama resisted since then.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

No other than Charles Koch himself threatened revenge if PBO didn't approve the pipeline.

When he stalled, as he has done to build momentum in the public against it, and to cost them more money, they promised he would pay a heavy price for doing so. So they set up the Tea Party with the help of their friends in the media in Obama's first year, installing them to do their will in 2010.

For there was the pipeline and the sunsetting of the Bush tax cuts in December 2010 coming up. Obama planned to use the return to normal revenue for green projects, health care, American jobs and infrastructure. The plans had all been laid out.

Obama said in his second term he would have more 'flexibility' since there was no election in his future. He also knew it would take a Constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens' United, or a public groundswell. Some other methods are trying to chip away at the decision but in the long run, as Obama said both in 2007 and 2008, he could not do it all himself. He begged people to get involved.

At some of the very first demonstrations against the pipeline, some of the OFA were there. But it was hard for him to get much done as every single budget bill had a frontend rider to sign onto Keystone. So he had to negotiate.

The money from Keystone, he said, would double the net worth of the Koch brothers in one year, tax free. Obama said the pipeline was simply transfering a commodity through the USA, was non-taxable, to ship to China and other nations, and would not reduce the price of fuel for us one bit while it would expose us to harm. This was part of his defeating CU, and he has called out the Koches more than once publicly.

You are absolutely correct, if a Republican takes over in 2017, it or something even worse (since there is always something worse) will be foisted off on us.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
82. Elect Democrats. No "loyalty oath" nonsense, just the sense to know that any Dem ...
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:01 PM
Nov 2015

....will be better than any Repub. Very seldom in my life has my preferred candidate made it past the primaries, but pigs will fly before I fail to vote for the ultimate Democratic nominee. Nader and his "not a dime's difference" made me gag; he must have not been present for the presidencies of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I -- but he sure did help suppress the vote for Gore and did his little bit to help make Bush II possible.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
54. so does he need to veto the XL bill again like he did last year?
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

And what about Utah shale mining, they just started in that state the same filthy 'sludge oil mining' to refine in America.

DonCoquixote

(13,961 posts)
58. Thank Bernie
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

Obama was not going to say no because Hillary was going to try to sneak this in her first 100 days, just like she WILL sneak in TPP, but because Bernie embarrassed her, she let up, and Obama killed this.

But of course, the course of some of her followers will say "it's pointless to support bernie",not pointless, because thanks to him, we moved to the LEFT of where all those sensible woodchucks said we would.

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
61. Love it
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

Love that he strung the Right along on this for half a decade, because screw them. This is a largely symbolic issue, but it sends the correct message from the President and the country.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
75. I've been calling this for months.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
Nov 2015

I'm batting 10 for 10 lately.

Once the Saudis opened up the oil they killed Keystone.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
83. I am glad he finally saw the light. Maybe our lobbying efforts paid off. Now let's kill the TPP.nm
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:43 PM
Nov 2015

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
84. Good news. Besides at oil's current price, the Keystone Pipeline would be a losing
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:20 PM
Nov 2015

endeavor.

We shall see what the future brings.

The oil prices will go up again. The oil producers are just trying to impoverish their competition, and China's economy has slowed a little.

Just wait. Next year the prices will go up, and Democrats will be blamed. Voters, especially Republican voters, have short memories.

When oil prices go up, we will be in an economic pickle because the low oil prices have made inflation almost imperceptible. The minute the oil prices go up, Americans will feel the squeeze.

My prediction. I hope I am wrong but . . . . .

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
85. Common Dreams: "Obama Rejects Keystone XL: This Is Big.... And Just the Beginning"
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:21 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/06/obama-rejects-keystone-xl-big-and-just-beginning

Published on Friday, November 06, 2015 by Common Dreams

Obama Rejects Keystone XL: This Is Big.... And Just the Beginning
by May Boeve



'The win against Keystone XL is just the beginning, because this fight has helped inspire resistance to a thousand other projects.'
(Photo: AP)


This is a big win. President Obama’s decision to reject Keystone XL because of its impact on the climate is nothing short of historic -- and sets an important precedent that should send shockwaves through the fossil fuel industry.

Just a few years ago, insiders and experts wrote us off and assured the world Keystone XL would be built by the end of 2011. Together, ranchers, tribal nations, and everyday people beat this project back, reminding the world that Big Oil isn’t invincible--and that organized people can win over organized money.

But the win against Keystone XL is just the beginning, because this fight has helped inspire resistance to a thousand other projects. Everywhere you look, people are shutting down fracking wells, stopping coal export facilities, and challenging new pipelines. If Big Oil thinks that after Keystone XL the protesters are going home, they’re going to be sorely surprised. Today in Canada, dozens of people are risking arrest at Prime Minister Trudeau’s residence as part of the ‘Climate Welcome’ action to urge him to put an immediate freeze to tar sand expansion.

More than anything, though, today’s decision affirms the power of social movements to enact political change, and a clear sign that our movement is stronger than ever. We’re looking to build on this victory, and show that if it’s wrong to build Keystone XL because of its impact on our climate, it’s wrong to build any new fossil fuel infrastructure, period. With the same broad coalition that stood up against this pipeline and took to the streets during the People’s Climate March, we’re better positioned than ever before to make real climate policy a top priority for the U.S. government and achieve meaningful progress in this year’s climate talks. Our movement simply will not rest until our economy shifts away from the dirty fossil fuels of yesterday to the clean renewables of tomorrow.

May Boeve is the Executive Director of http://www.350.org.

Celebrate plus next steps: http://350.org/kxl-victory/

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
95. thanks, next step:
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:24 AM
Nov 2015

Next step:

http://350.org/global-climate-march/

2015 is on track to be the hottest year in recorded history, and this December hundreds of world governments will meet in Paris to try to strike a global climate agreement. It will be the biggest gathering of its kind since 2009, and it’s potentially a big deal for our global movement.

So far, however, commitments from world governments just aren’t adding up. This has the makings of a global failure of ambition — and at a moment when renewable energy is becoming a revolutionary economic force that could power a just transition away from fossil fuels.

The solutions are obvious: we need to stop digging up and burning fossil fuels, start building renewable energy everywhere we can, and make sure communities on the front lines of climate change have the resources they need to respond to the crisis. This could be a turning point — if we push for it.

This will be our message as we take to the streets on 28-29 November: Keep fossil fuels in the ground — really, just stop digging and drilling — and finance a just transition to 100% renewable energy by 2050.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
86. Ding done the pipeline is dead!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:22 PM
Nov 2015

Now if we could just do the same to the TPP. Then after the election we could focus all our might on overturning CU.

proverbialwisdom

(4,959 posts)
88. 2014 James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism: "Port Arthur, Texas: American Sacrifice Zone
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:10 PM
Nov 2015
http://archive.onearth.org/articles/2013/08/if-built-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-will-end-in-one-toxic-town

Port Arthur, Texas: American Sacrifice Zone

After decades of neglect, residents of the Gulf Coast’s most toxic public housing complex are preparing to get out. But in a city given over to oil refineries, is anywhere really safe?

by Ted Genoways • August 26, 2013

This story was awarded a 2014 James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. Judges honored it for exposing "how the oil industry wreaks havoc on the environment and health of a predominantly poor, African American community."

If you splinter off the interstate from Houston into the inky dark of the sloughs and bayous surrounding Texas State Highway 73, you will eventually emerge on the outskirts of Port Arthur and into the otherworldly light of one of the world’s largest oil refinery complexes. To the north and east is the 3,600-acre Motiva plant, a joint project of Shell Oil and Saudi Aramco; to the west is a 4,000-acre plant owned by Texas-based Valero. Together the two facilities refine more than 900,000 barrels of crude per day. Shrouded in billows of smoke and bathed in the radiance of round-the-clock floodlights and the molten glow of gas flares, their towers seem to rise on clouds of fire, suggesting a floating megalopolis that sprawls in all directions toward more refineries and petrochemical plants, toward the lighted cranes and petroleum coke conveyers that line the shipping channel, and away to hazardous waste incinerators and dump sites in the distance.

On one side of Terminal Road, the long, angling track that borders these facilities, is a chain-link fence and a berm made of buried pipelines that occasionally sprout from the hillside into aboveground shutoff valves and standpipes. Overhead, cameras placed atop a straight seam of street lamps provide a constant feed to guards in their nearby trucks, ever alert for signs of vandalism or trespass. On the other side of the road is West Port Arthur: an overwhelmingly African American community of churches, shotgun shacks, and several complexes of low-slung, barracks-like brick row houses—public (or public-assisted) housing meant for those who can’t afford to live anywhere else.

The oldest and closest of these complexes is Carver Terrace. In 1952, Port Arthur’s white town fathers took public housing dollars from Washington and erected these apartments directly on the refineries’ fence. They followed up soon thereafter by building two more projects. Within five years, roughly a third of West Port Arthur’s 1,500 households were in public housing, and there were only seven white families in the whole community. To this day, it remains roughly 95 percent African American. And as West Port Arthur’s enormous refineries have spewed forth benzene, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and other pollutants—permitted or unpermitted—for more than six decades, the effects of these emissions, then, have been experienced disproportionately by African Americans.



Some local officials excuse the stench given off by those emissions as the smell of money, but the residents of Carver Terrace reap no economic rewards from the refineries. While the oil and gas industry accounted for almost 7 percent of new jobs created nationwide between 2005 and 2011, Port Arthur’s unemployment rate nearly doubled over that same span. Though it sits barely a hundred yards from some of the most profitable oil and gas complexes in the world, Carver Terrace is utterly cut off from any of the benefits they might yield. Residents of West Port Arthur—those who can find work—earn half what the average Texan makes. In the wee hours, when a shift ends at the refineries, taillights race up the highway toward Winnie or Nederland or other predominantly white suburbs, taking with them whatever prosperity these facilities confer locally.

But even worse than the economic inequity is the documented health effect on West Port Arthur residents, who have been regularly and repeatedly subjected to major emissions events—what the refining industry euphemistically terms “upsets.” I was drawn to Port Arthur, in part, by a video posted to YouTube by Hilton Kelley, a local environmental and community activist. It shows no fewer than eight enormous towers spewing huge flags of orange fire and thick, black smoke into the sky over West Port Arthur, the result of a brief outage at a sub-station owned by Entergy Texas, a local power provider. Without the benefit of an independent power grid or a sufficient backup system, the coking units at various refineries had powered down and filled with dangerous gas; to restart after a blackout event like that, these refineries had to “flare off” huge quantities of toxic emissions. As the refineries came back online, flaring for more than an hour, the sky turned murky, then dark. It looked like nightfall. But near the end of the video—which otherwise records only the calls of mourning doves and other songbirds—Kelley can be heard stating calmly: “April the 14th, 2013. Time now about 10:30 a.m.”

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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Toxics Release Inventory places Jefferson County among the very worst in the nation for air releases of chemicals known to cause cancer, birth defects, and reproductive disorders. In a state that regularly records in excess of 2,500 toxic emissions events per year, Port Arthur is near the top of the list of offending cities. Data collected by the Texas Cancer Registry indicates that cancer rates among African Americans in Jefferson County are roughly 15 percent higher than they are for the average Texan. Shockingly, the mortality rate from cancer is more than 40 percent higher. And cancer is only part of the story. A study by the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston found that residents of Port Arthur were four times more likely than people just 100 miles upwind to report suffering from heart and respiratory conditions; nervous system and skin disorders; headaches and muscle aches; and ear, nose, and throat ailments.

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Related: https://theintercept.com/2015/11/04/erasing-mossville-how-pollution-killed-a-louisiana-town/

Unknown Beatle

(2,691 posts)
90. I think it's all smoke and mirrors on Obama's part.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:15 PM
Nov 2015

If the TTP is signed into law by Obama, which I'm certain he's sure he will on the dotted line, then it won't matter because someone will sue to get the pipeline back on track. And the tribunals will be headed by industry attorneys, then the pipeline will surely starts flowing tar sands oil.

I'm not fooling myself into celebrating something that won't matter anyway.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
91. No, that's not how those work, and the TPP doesn't change our current arbitration with Canada
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:46 PM
Nov 2015

The arbitration system set up under GATT and NAFTA isn't being changed between the US and Canada.

Do you know about the Metalclad case with Mexico? That's a pretty good example of how these tribunals work. You can't get them to change the other country's laws, but you can sue for damages if you can prove they asked you to do work in bad faith.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
92. I'm glad President Obama is picking the side of climate change lately
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:30 AM
Nov 2015

But this was a nasty plan to begin with, rising oceans or not. Let's hope this and the Shell arctic decision marks the beginning of the end for dirty energy.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
93. The edge of your seat suspense took too long--wondering if he was
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 03:11 AM
Nov 2015

going to approve or reject this was worse than an old Alfred Hitchcock horror film. Two years to figure out this was not good for the planet? Geeze.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
97. I don't have time to read this whole thread
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:58 AM
Nov 2015

so maybe someone has already brought it up:

Isn't it a little odd to celebrate Obama's denial of the Keystone pipeline citing climate concerns at the same time he is proposing to sign the TPP..which will permit energy companies to SUE governments that pass laws impacting their profits?

Anyone?

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