Breaking: Obama Administration Will Reject Keystone XL Pipeline
Source: Wall Street Journal
@WSJ: Breaking: Obama administration will reject Keystone XL pipeline https://t.co/5xQPDPcm8q
Obama Administration to Reject Keystone XL Pipeline, Citing Climate Concerns
State Department review faced many delays since TransCanadas 2008 proposal
By AMY HARDER
Updated Nov. 6, 2015 11:09 a.m. ETWASHINGTONThe Obama administration will reject the Keystone XL pipeline, according to people familiar with the decision, capping a politically charged review of the oil project that lasted more than seven years and escalated into a broader debate on energy, climate change and the economy.
President Barack Obama is expected to cite the urgency of climate change as a key reason behind his decision, these people said.
Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-administration-to-reject-keystone-xl-pipeline-citing-climate-concerns-1446825732
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)K&R
And dance n celebrate!
L. Coyote
(51,134 posts)@POTUS is expected to reject #KeystoneXL today. He will make a statement at 11:45 AM. Watch: https://www.whitehouse.gov/live
Mashable

lewebley3
(3,412 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)NJCher
(43,165 posts)Look pretty damn flimsy to me.

Cher
central scrutinizer
(12,654 posts)blm
(114,658 posts)And thank you Sec of State Kerry. (We knew you were always against it.)
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...CSpan1. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
MBS
(9,688 posts)Excellent news.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)👏👏
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I'm to the point I don't trust anyone anymore. But this is GREAT NEWS any way you look at it!
WheelWalker
(9,402 posts)realizing the decision would be adverse) and then when US said it would not delay decision, Canada pulled application. That's understanding of what went down.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Andy823
(11,555 posts)It was all about delaying the process until after the elections because they hoped that the next president would OK the pipeline, especially if it were republican.
Looks like Obama outsmarted them.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Thank you for that!!
MBS
(9,688 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:24 PM - Edit history (1)
I also think that he has particular contempt for transparent political games (what he called "okey-dokey" in one of his 2008 debates with Hillary) , of which the Canadian "suspension" was a particularly insulting example.
Good job, Pres. Obama!
MBS
(9,688 posts). .with one theory being that a future US administration would be more likely to approve it.
It's GOOD news that Obama has rejected it, and that he's got an environmentalist SoS, John Kerry, who's been on the forefront of these issues from the beginning.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Thank you for that!
Eugene
(67,101 posts)Conventional wisdom is that they were trying to
keep the bid alive past the 2016 election.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Thank you for that!
WheelWalker
(9,402 posts)I speculate they knew was in the offing.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)It was people like Rachel Maddow, who jumped to saying this means it was essentially dead. The State department was asked in several of this week's briefings if they would end the review - and they said "no".
My guess as to what happened? That the Obama administration gave a heads up to Canada that they were issuing their decision soon and what it would be. The company then preferred to "suspend it" until the Nebraska piece was worked out -- ie into early 2017. Gee, what could happen then?
What is clear is that the State Department did an extensive analysis - ignoring the report that came out in early 2013 - which was done under guidelines that made a yes very likely. Here is a link to the State Department statement. http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/11/249249.htm If you look at the reasons - this will make it harder for the company to come back - even if (heaven forbid) there is a Republican President in 2017.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And after Keystone asks for, what was it, a suspension of the process or permit?
http://www.treehugger.com/fossil-fuels/keystone-xls-builder-asks-suspension-pipeline-application.html
"Keystone XLS's Builder Asks for Suspension of Pipeline Application
November 3, 2015
randys1
(16,286 posts)Yeah OBAMA
still_one
(98,883 posts)that they go through an intensive study to get the facts to judge its feasibility. Here are there conclusions:
1. It would NOT make a meaningful contribution to our economy
If congress approved the Intra structure plan, that would make a meaningful contribution to our economy
2. The pipeline would NOT lower gas prices for consumers
3. Shipping dirty oil into our country does not increase our energy security. Alternative clean energy will make us energy independence long term
randys1
(16,286 posts)was requested and the rest of it was of course politics.
But that is why you elect Obama, because McCain or Romney approve this in two seconds.
McCain, Romney, CArson or Rubio destroy social security in two seconds.
etc
etc
still_one
(98,883 posts)community outreach to those states where the pipeline will go through, does take time.
Unfortunately, the pipeline issue is not over. It will be a major election issue for 2016, with the republicans saying that it would have increased jobs, and oil independence, both of which are false. However, I am not that assured that the American populous will see it that way, and it will be a tough fight. It also doesn't help that we are a net importer of oil, and will be so for a long time, but the argument against that is we push alternative energy paths even more, which will bring actual long term energy independence.
Going to be interesting I suspect
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)THANK YOU!
MAJOR props also to Jane Kleeb and Bold Nebraska for their great work. Their fingerprints are all over this decision.
http://boldnebraska.org
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)which permits energy companies to sue governments that pass laws that impact their bottom line (fracking, drilling, etc).
Just explain that to me.
What do you bet TransCanada finds a way to revisit this issue?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)once again failed to come to true. I'm shocked I tell you shocked.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oh, wait, that's right: it was only through their special efforts that he was forced against his will to reject it.
It's nice when every result confirms your worldview, I suppose.
Andy823
(11,555 posts)Those who were telling us that are not "real" lefties?
Some here have made a career out of trashing president Obama from day one, and now will once again have to eat crow because they were wrong.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Good trick, eh?
The last "hair on fire" claim was how Obama was throwing Medicare and SSD under the bus. A whole thread was about how terrible he was. Then it came out Bernie Sanders voted FOR the same bill they were complaining about, and not one of the commented on the fact they were all wrong. One would think that after so many time of them being wrong, they would at least wait to find out the facts, but I guess it won't happen.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)....and the village fails to show up to relieve your boredom.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)It's a really really really bad deal. Even worse, the bill was crafted in secret:
Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch said on Thursday the final text had revealed details about the deal that were worse than expected.
"Apparently, the TPP's proponents resorted to such extreme secrecy during negotiations because the text shows that the TPP would offshore more American jobs, lower our wages, flood us with unsafe imported food and expose our laws to attack in foreign tribunals ," the organization's director Lori Wallach said.
http://www.citizen.org/TPP
I'd be shocked if even one DUer supported this.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Because no one has to take anything on belief now that the horrendous agreement has been released.
Read the portion on the TPP arbitration courts and dispute resolution. It will make your hair stand all on its own.
The TPP is really as bad as they say.
Of course, many will not understand what it says well enough to realize how bad it really is.
Further, without all the pressure from environmentalists and many of us crying "Wolf," Obama probably would have signed it.
In a democracy, we have a civic duty to cry wolf when a measure that we know is bad or dangerous is up for a decision.
That's our duty as citizens.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)They'll always have the, "
paraphrasing) with a bill this big ... they always put everything in it, including the kitchen sink" argument to preserve their indignation, should a single thing go wrong with the bill ... and they need to exonerate the one, while condemning another.
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Endless angry OPs about how Obama was going to "force this down our throats" ...
"Obama's going to CAVE!!!! "
"He LOVES the oil companies and hates the environment!!!!"
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I'm sure they'll be along soon to eat some crow.
Na ... they'll claim Putin stopped him.
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rpannier
(24,924 posts)It's a pretty good read
It shows what happens when competing groups find themselves on similar ground
ToxMarz
(2,930 posts)Because she wants to be the one to approve it as a gift to her corporate masters
DCBob
(24,689 posts)How many times have they been wrong about this President?
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Luciferous
(6,586 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)if they won in 2016. Do you haters ever give up?
randys1
(16,286 posts)blm
(114,658 posts)Obama denied their request. Then he denied the deal. It's the way the PROCESS works.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)and backed off politely when told "thanks for asking, but no thanks"!
Folks evolving on issues to come to the correct conclusion after careful study is a wonderful thing, contrarians are wrong.
Obama and the Democratic Party are marching to the left, and it is a good thing that the voters will welcome....just ask Canada.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)we could use some good news.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Please to hear this. The President got this one right.
I guess Hillary will now be against it. Maybe, not.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)blm
(114,658 posts)Their request to pull papers was denied and now the deal has been struck down altogether.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They were assuming the winner would be pro-KXL, and they probably would have been right.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)jpak
(41,780 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Vinca
(53,994 posts)It's half that now and will probably stay that way unless the Wall Street casino gets going in that market again. I'm glad the POTUS is saying "no" once and for all, but this is more a decision made by the price of oil than a brave political decision.
riversedge
(80,810 posts)groundloop
(13,849 posts)If, by some God-awful chance, a republican got elected to the White House, couldn't they just submit the application and get approval then?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)No other than Charles Koch himself threatened revenge if PBO didn't approve the pipeline.
When he stalled, as he has done to build momentum in the public against it, and to cost them more money, they promised he would pay a heavy price for doing so. So they set up the Tea Party with the help of their friends in the media in Obama's first year, installing them to do their will in 2010.
For there was the pipeline and the sunsetting of the Bush tax cuts in December 2010 coming up. Obama planned to use the return to normal revenue for green projects, health care, American jobs and infrastructure. The plans had all been laid out.
Obama said in his second term he would have more 'flexibility' since there was no election in his future. He also knew it would take a Constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens' United, or a public groundswell. Some other methods are trying to chip away at the decision but in the long run, as Obama said both in 2007 and 2008, he could not do it all himself. He begged people to get involved.
At some of the very first demonstrations against the pipeline, some of the OFA were there. But it was hard for him to get much done as every single budget bill had a frontend rider to sign onto Keystone. So he had to negotiate.
The money from Keystone, he said, would double the net worth of the Koch brothers in one year, tax free. Obama said the pipeline was simply transfering a commodity through the USA, was non-taxable, to ship to China and other nations, and would not reduce the price of fuel for us one bit while it would expose us to harm. This was part of his defeating CU, and he has called out the Koches more than once publicly.
You are absolutely correct, if a Republican takes over in 2017, it or something even worse (since there is always something worse) will be foisted off on us.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)....will be better than any Repub. Very seldom in my life has my preferred candidate made it past the primaries, but pigs will fly before I fail to vote for the ultimate Democratic nominee. Nader and his "not a dime's difference" made me gag; he must have not been present for the presidencies of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I -- but he sure did help suppress the vote for Gore and did his little bit to help make Bush II possible.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)And what about Utah shale mining, they just started in that state the same filthy 'sludge oil mining' to refine in America.
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)Obama was not going to say no because Hillary was going to try to sneak this in her first 100 days, just like she WILL sneak in TPP, but because Bernie embarrassed her, she let up, and Obama killed this.
But of course, the course of some of her followers will say "it's pointless to support bernie",not pointless, because thanks to him, we moved to the LEFT of where all those sensible woodchucks said we would.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)Love that he strung the Right along on this for half a decade, because screw them. This is a largely symbolic issue, but it sends the correct message from the President and the country.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)underpants
(196,495 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)AllyCat
(18,842 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)We cannot tolerate government in secret. No TPP.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Good job, Mr. President!
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)I'm batting 10 for 10 lately.
Once the Saudis opened up the oil they killed Keystone.
Javaman
(65,711 posts)ailsagirl
(24,287 posts)ailsagirl
(24,287 posts)Quite a day
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)endeavor.
We shall see what the future brings.
The oil prices will go up again. The oil producers are just trying to impoverish their competition, and China's economy has slowed a little.
Just wait. Next year the prices will go up, and Democrats will be blamed. Voters, especially Republican voters, have short memories.
When oil prices go up, we will be in an economic pickle because the low oil prices have made inflation almost imperceptible. The minute the oil prices go up, Americans will feel the squeeze.
My prediction. I hope I am wrong but . . . . .
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Published on Friday, November 06, 2015 by Common Dreams
Obama Rejects Keystone XL: This Is Big.... And Just the Beginning
by May Boeve

'The win against Keystone XL is just the beginning, because this fight has helped inspire resistance to a thousand other projects.'
(Photo: AP)
This is a big win. President Obamas decision to reject Keystone XL because of its impact on the climate is nothing short of historic -- and sets an important precedent that should send shockwaves through the fossil fuel industry.
Just a few years ago, insiders and experts wrote us off and assured the world Keystone XL would be built by the end of 2011. Together, ranchers, tribal nations, and everyday people beat this project back, reminding the world that Big Oil isnt invincible--and that organized people can win over organized money.
But the win against Keystone XL is just the beginning, because this fight has helped inspire resistance to a thousand other projects. Everywhere you look, people are shutting down fracking wells, stopping coal export facilities, and challenging new pipelines. If Big Oil thinks that after Keystone XL the protesters are going home, theyre going to be sorely surprised. Today in Canada, dozens of people are risking arrest at Prime Minister Trudeaus residence as part of the Climate Welcome action to urge him to put an immediate freeze to tar sand expansion.
More than anything, though, todays decision affirms the power of social movements to enact political change, and a clear sign that our movement is stronger than ever. Were looking to build on this victory, and show that if its wrong to build Keystone XL because of its impact on our climate, its wrong to build any new fossil fuel infrastructure, period. With the same broad coalition that stood up against this pipeline and took to the streets during the Peoples Climate March, were better positioned than ever before to make real climate policy a top priority for the U.S. government and achieve meaningful progress in this years climate talks. Our movement simply will not rest until our economy shifts away from the dirty fossil fuels of yesterday to the clean renewables of tomorrow.
May Boeve is the Executive Director of http://www.350.org.
Celebrate plus next steps: http://350.org/kxl-victory/
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Next step:
http://350.org/global-climate-march/
So far, however, commitments from world governments just arent adding up. This has the makings of a global failure of ambition and at a moment when renewable energy is becoming a revolutionary economic force that could power a just transition away from fossil fuels.
The solutions are obvious: we need to stop digging up and burning fossil fuels, start building renewable energy everywhere we can, and make sure communities on the front lines of climate change have the resources they need to respond to the crisis. This could be a turning point if we push for it.
This will be our message as we take to the streets on 28-29 November: Keep fossil fuels in the ground really, just stop digging and drilling and finance a just transition to 100% renewable energy by 2050.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Now if we could just do the same to the TPP. Then after the election we could focus all our might on overturning CU.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Port Arthur, Texas: American Sacrifice Zone
After decades of neglect, residents of the Gulf Coasts most toxic public housing complex are preparing to get out. But in a city given over to oil refineries, is anywhere really safe?
by Ted Genoways August 26, 2013
This story was awarded a 2014 James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. Judges honored it for exposing "how the oil industry wreaks havoc on the environment and health of a predominantly poor, African American community."
If you splinter off the interstate from Houston into the inky dark of the sloughs and bayous surrounding Texas State Highway 73, you will eventually emerge on the outskirts of Port Arthur and into the otherworldly light of one of the worlds largest oil refinery complexes. To the north and east is the 3,600-acre Motiva plant, a joint project of Shell Oil and Saudi Aramco; to the west is a 4,000-acre plant owned by Texas-based Valero. Together the two facilities refine more than 900,000 barrels of crude per day. Shrouded in billows of smoke and bathed in the radiance of round-the-clock floodlights and the molten glow of gas flares, their towers seem to rise on clouds of fire, suggesting a floating megalopolis that sprawls in all directions toward more refineries and petrochemical plants, toward the lighted cranes and petroleum coke conveyers that line the shipping channel, and away to hazardous waste incinerators and dump sites in the distance.
On one side of Terminal Road, the long, angling track that borders these facilities, is a chain-link fence and a berm made of buried pipelines that occasionally sprout from the hillside into aboveground shutoff valves and standpipes. Overhead, cameras placed atop a straight seam of street lamps provide a constant feed to guards in their nearby trucks, ever alert for signs of vandalism or trespass. On the other side of the road is West Port Arthur: an overwhelmingly African American community of churches, shotgun shacks, and several complexes of low-slung, barracks-like brick row housespublic (or public-assisted) housing meant for those who cant afford to live anywhere else.
The oldest and closest of these complexes is Carver Terrace. In 1952, Port Arthurs white town fathers took public housing dollars from Washington and erected these apartments directly on the refineries fence. They followed up soon thereafter by building two more projects. Within five years, roughly a third of West Port Arthurs 1,500 households were in public housing, and there were only seven white families in the whole community. To this day, it remains roughly 95 percent African American. And as West Port Arthurs enormous refineries have spewed forth benzene, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and other pollutantspermitted or unpermittedfor more than six decades, the effects of these emissions, then, have been experienced disproportionately by African Americans.

Some local officials excuse the stench given off by those emissions as the smell of money, but the residents of Carver Terrace reap no economic rewards from the refineries. While the oil and gas industry accounted for almost 7 percent of new jobs created nationwide between 2005 and 2011, Port Arthurs unemployment rate nearly doubled over that same span. Though it sits barely a hundred yards from some of the most profitable oil and gas complexes in the world, Carver Terrace is utterly cut off from any of the benefits they might yield. Residents of West Port Arthurthose who can find workearn half what the average Texan makes. In the wee hours, when a shift ends at the refineries, taillights race up the highway toward Winnie or Nederland or other predominantly white suburbs, taking with them whatever prosperity these facilities confer locally.
But even worse than the economic inequity is the documented health effect on West Port Arthur residents, who have been regularly and repeatedly subjected to major emissions eventswhat the refining industry euphemistically terms upsets. I was drawn to Port Arthur, in part, by a video posted to YouTube by Hilton Kelley, a local environmental and community activist. It shows no fewer than eight enormous towers spewing huge flags of orange fire and thick, black smoke into the sky over West Port Arthur, the result of a brief outage at a sub-station owned by Entergy Texas, a local power provider. Without the benefit of an independent power grid or a sufficient backup system, the coking units at various refineries had powered down and filled with dangerous gas; to restart after a blackout event like that, these refineries had to flare off huge quantities of toxic emissions. As the refineries came back online, flaring for more than an hour, the sky turned murky, then dark. It looked like nightfall. But near the end of the videowhich otherwise records only the calls of mourning doves and other songbirdsKelley can be heard stating calmly: April the 14th, 2013. Time now about 10:30 a.m.
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agencys Toxics Release Inventory places Jefferson County among the very worst in the nation for air releases of chemicals known to cause cancer, birth defects, and reproductive disorders. In a state that regularly records in excess of 2,500 toxic emissions events per year, Port Arthur is near the top of the list of offending cities. Data collected by the Texas Cancer Registry indicates that cancer rates among African Americans in Jefferson County are roughly 15 percent higher than they are for the average Texan. Shockingly, the mortality rate from cancer is more than 40 percent higher. And cancer is only part of the story. A study by the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston found that residents of Port Arthur were four times more likely than people just 100 miles upwind to report suffering from heart and respiratory conditions; nervous system and skin disorders; headaches and muscle aches; and ear, nose, and throat ailments.
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Related: https://theintercept.com/2015/11/04/erasing-mossville-how-pollution-killed-a-louisiana-town/
Unknown Beatle
(2,691 posts)If the TTP is signed into law by Obama, which I'm certain he's sure he will on the dotted line, then it won't matter because someone will sue to get the pipeline back on track. And the tribunals will be headed by industry attorneys, then the pipeline will surely starts flowing tar sands oil.
I'm not fooling myself into celebrating something that won't matter anyway.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The arbitration system set up under GATT and NAFTA isn't being changed between the US and Canada.
Do you know about the Metalclad case with Mexico? That's a pretty good example of how these tribunals work. You can't get them to change the other country's laws, but you can sue for damages if you can prove they asked you to do work in bad faith.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But this was a nasty plan to begin with, rising oceans or not. Let's hope this and the Shell arctic decision marks the beginning of the end for dirty energy.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)going to approve or reject this was worse than an old Alfred Hitchcock horror film. Two years to figure out this was not good for the planet? Geeze.
eridani
(51,907 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)so maybe someone has already brought it up:
Isn't it a little odd to celebrate Obama's denial of the Keystone pipeline citing climate concerns at the same time he is proposing to sign the TPP..which will permit energy companies to SUE governments that pass laws impacting their profits?
Anyone?