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7962

(11,841 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:20 PM Nov 2015

Rancher’s wife: ‘I saw them murder my husband’

Source: Miami Herald

The family of an Adams County rancher involved in an encounter with two sheriff’s deputies says the deputies killed him in a “completely unjustified” shooting.
Survivors of Jack Yantis, the 62-year-old who died a week ago in the darkness on U.S. 95 north of Council, say they will pursue claims against Adams County for Yantis’ death.

Donna Yantis spent her 63rd birthday Thursday at Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise, where she has been recovering from a heart attack she suffered after her husband was killed. Provided by the Yantis family
Family members have shared with the Statesman their account of what happened last Sunday night. The account is in written statements prepared with attorneys the family hired after the incident, a video statement Donna Yantis made from her Boise hospital bed, and a draft transcript the lawyers prepared of one family member’s account of what happened.

The Statesman also interviewed several family members, including Rowdy Paradis, a nephew of the couple’s who said he witnessed the shootings.
“Law enforcement should be trained to de-escalate situations,” said Rowdy Paradis. “In this case, I stood 10 feet away and watched two deputies escalate the situation and needlessly kill a man.”



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article43673037.html



Once again, taxpayers are going to shell out millions for this arrogance.
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Rancher’s wife: ‘I saw them murder my husband’ (Original Post) 7962 Nov 2015 OP
I really hope there is more to it ... kristopher Nov 2015 #1
+1 cui bono Nov 2015 #6
I wonder about dashcams or audio 7962 Nov 2015 #9
What a nightmare. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #2
His decision to end the bull's suffering is a punishment in itself. edgineered Nov 2015 #4
I would be enraged if I saw that gwheezie Nov 2015 #5
Exactly, edgineered Nov 2015 #7
Right. Thats why this deserves national attention. Didnt even involve crime! 7962 Nov 2015 #8
Why did I read this? ellie Nov 2015 #3
Because you, like us, live in the same world with the same "police". If we can. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2015 #15
I feel like cops sometimes wake up in the morning and go retrowire Nov 2015 #10
I think they watch PatSeg Nov 2015 #24
What a nightmare. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #11
Amazing how different the initial story was. Let's see what their cams show. Argh! Fk this shit uppityperson Nov 2015 #12
Wow, 2 totally different accounts. This will get interesting nt 7962 Nov 2015 #13
holy shit! Kali Nov 2015 #14
What a horrific incident. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #16
How horrendous! Tumbulu Nov 2015 #17
maybe... bongo_x Nov 2015 #18
Because it is not libodem Nov 2015 #32
After the shooting, Paradis said, the deputies’ demeanor was “smug” and “almost celebratory.” NBachers Nov 2015 #19
What on earth were these officers doing? AllyCat Nov 2015 #20
This is the problem today. "Police-escalate the situation" Sunlei Nov 2015 #21
Sounds like there should be independent witnesses - the people in the car that hit the bull muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #22
Thats true; theres no mention of the people in the car. 7962 Nov 2015 #23
The people that were in the car were taken to the hospital. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #25
Have you got the link for that? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #26
No, that was what was reported on the local news the night that it happened. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #27
police gut shot the bull multi times & only made it run amuck again, it collapsed on own property. Sunlei Nov 2015 #31
And here's the problem matt819 Nov 2015 #28
Sandra Bland Family lawyers have asked for all files to be turned over by 11/10 tomorrow,..... Sunlei Nov 2015 #30
Thanks for that update matt819 Nov 2015 #35
So typical of the Republican's thugs in blue scscholar Nov 2015 #29
I too am struck by libodem Nov 2015 #34
These two gun humpers didn't get their jollies off enough. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #33
Attorney for Yantis family talks about case IDemo Nov 2015 #36
Let me guess, their story will be that they "feared for their life". Beacool Nov 2015 #37

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
1. I really hope there is more to it ...
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:31 PM
Nov 2015

Because if this narrative is accurate, those deputies are monsters.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
4. His decision to end the bull's suffering is a punishment in itself.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:48 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone who has had to take that action knows the feelings it involves, family included. I cannot begin to understand how torn his family feels with witnessing the added brutality of his murder to the already sorrowful loss. It's beyond words.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
5. I would be enraged if I saw that
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:00 PM
Nov 2015

How stupid and inhumane. Who thinks open firing on a bull is the way to end its misery. If I was the owner and I was prevented from putting a suffering animal down by the yahoos who caused it more torment, I'd be furious. Ranchers know how to shoot a bull to put it down, one well placed shot not open firing so the animal suffers more.
When I had horses, I had a few neighbors who had cattle. If one of my horses had to be put down immediately I would call one of those guys, not a deputy or a hunter. Putting down a huge animal is alot different than shooting a deer or a target.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
7. Exactly,
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:17 PM
Nov 2015

Some cannot realize that the rancher was doing something humane; he had a personal attachment to the bull and it required him to reach deep inside himself - an act that a man (or woman) does only through his or her own strength and not to the whims of crowds or spectators. With the accounts of what transpired it is obvious that the law enforcement officers had no experience in this arena, and there is no classroom training that can teach it. About the only thing worse than having to shoot your own animal is screwing it up and having to shoot him again; a slow death from multiple gut shots - for some reason I don't think it will even bother those f'ing idiots.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. Right. Thats why this deserves national attention. Didnt even involve crime!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:21 PM
Nov 2015

Absolutely disgusting.
There should be dashcam footage of at least SOMETHING i would think

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
10. I feel like cops sometimes wake up in the morning and go
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nov 2015

"I wonder what it's like to kill a man...."

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
12. Amazing how different the initial story was. Let's see what their cams show. Argh! Fk this shit
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

Initial story
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-battle-with-bull-in-the-middle-leaves-rancher-dead/

This one says they had on cams. Gee, I wonder if they were turned on or suffered a malfunction?
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article43224009.html

Kali

(55,008 posts)
14. holy shit!
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
Nov 2015

I have had DPS and the local Sheriffs deputies put down cattle hit on roads - I guess I should be more grateful they seem to actually know what they are doing then. they are pretty clueless about handling live ones still running around, but at least they know how to put a severely injured animal down.

and to kill the owner when he was just trying to do the right thing they were incapable of doing? OMG.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
32. Because it is not
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015

Being published in Idaho. You wouldn't even know it happened. The details are being concealed from the pubic, here.

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
19. After the shooting, Paradis said, the deputies’ demeanor was “smug” and “almost celebratory.”
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:44 AM
Nov 2015

It's a real fershure Cop Gun Murder Party! High Fives all around back at the station.

No one knows when or where the next Cop Gun Murder Party will happen. Keep Watching! Keep Waiting! The next Cop Gun Murder Party might be just for you!

AllyCat

(16,187 posts)
20. What on earth were these officers doing?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:17 AM
Nov 2015

If the family's account is accurate, they should sue. Peace to Mr Yantis and his family.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,314 posts)
22. Sounds like there should be independent witnesses - the people in the car that hit the bull
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:25 AM
Nov 2015

and maybe others who are called "emergency responders as they worked to get the driver and passenger out of the car" in the CBS report, though that might mean the police, I suppose.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. Thats true; theres no mention of the people in the car.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

Maybe the car wasnt that badly damaged and they had already left? Who knows, but thats a good question

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
25. The people that were in the car were taken to the hospital.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

They didn't witness any shooting at the scene of the accident.
Yantis showed up later and argued with the deputies who were going to put down his bull.
Yantis brought a rifle with him to the scene of the accident, and after arguing with the deputies about destroying his bull, he shot at one of the deputies, then both of the deputies returned fire.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
27. No, that was what was reported on the local news the night that it happened.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

Council is a sleepy small, old mining town located about 100 miles northwest of Boise.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. police gut shot the bull multi times & only made it run amuck again, it collapsed on own property.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

Then the owner was going to put it down with the PROPER one shot to the head.

Police are gun crazed, out of control in America.

Even after police killed the man, the bull laid there for a couple more hours gutshot until it died.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. And here's the problem
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

Half the country believes the cops.

The other half of the country believes the cops were lying.

And it's further complicated by the fact that cops and victims are white. And likely politically similar. So the rwnj's are majorly conflicted on who to support.

Tragic, of course, but as it's happening daily, pretty much routine and so it lends onto the background.

Speaking of which, anyone know the latest on the Sandra Bland investigation? Wanna bet this story fades as quickly from the national consciousness?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. Sandra Bland Family lawyers have asked for all files to be turned over by 11/10 tomorrow,.....
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

as of today, 11/9 the Prairie View Police Department has fought against EVERYTHING in the Courts, tooth and nail.

police asked for immunity from any lawsuit. police haven't turned over any records, videos or recordings of anything.

here's a recent article about that.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Agencies-push-back-on-legal-discovery-in-Sandra-6615942.php

"As late of Wednesday, the city of Prairie View asserted a law enforcement privilege, for now, because of "a current and ongoing criminal investigation being conducted by the Texas Rangers concerning the subpoenaed information."

A subpoena sets Nov. 10 as the date items are due from the Prairie View Police Department. The city's motion to quash the subpoena was filed Nov. 4. The judge has not made a ruling.

Last month, Hittner declared as protected "all documents or discovery responses designated by the producing party as 'confidential' and which are disclosed or produced to the attorneys for the other parties to this litigation."

The protective order, signed Oct. 16, remains in place after the lawsuit is over "except with respect to those documents and information that become a matter of public record."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
35. Thanks for that update
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

I should have looked it up.

I think the point is still valid. Because there are so many of these shootings, they tend to blend into each other, and we as a nation begin to become inured to the threat they pose.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
29. So typical of the Republican's thugs in blue
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:50 PM
Nov 2015

So typical. Just so typical. So typical it makes me want to die. To die.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
34. I too am struck by
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

Existential angst. I try to fight it by thinking of compassion and unconditional love for all involved.

Police brutality is such an authoritarian position to be holding up as an American ideal for all the world to see. It's wrong and we know it.

Oneironaut

(5,494 posts)
33. These two gun humpers didn't get their jollies off enough.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

They needed to satisfy their urges on a new target. They thoroughly enjoyed shooting this man, and would have gladly mowed down the wife and friend too if given even the slightest of opportunity. This was, in their minds, one of the greatest nights in their lives. This is why they became cops in the first place.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
36. Attorney for Yantis family talks about case
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:37 AM
Nov 2015

WTF -- "here you have rural police officers who should have known about Jack Yantis; you know, they're of the same race and you have this excessive force being used."

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/2015/11/10/attorney-yantis-family-talks-case/75496148/

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
37. Let me guess, their story will be that they "feared for their life".
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

Poor woman. Ironically, I bet that they were a God fearing conservative couple who never thought that one of them would die at the hands of the police.

May Mrs. Yantis make a full recovery and condolences on the death of her husband.



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