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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:14 PM Nov 2015

Straight-ticket voting ban speeds through Michigan Senate with shield against repeal

Source: MLive Politics

LANSING, MI — Michigan voters would lose the ability to cast a straight-ticket ballot for candidates of a single political party under fast-tracked legislation approved Tuesday evening in the state Senate.

The Republican-backed bill advanced through committee earlier the same day before reaching the floor, where it was amended to include a $1 million appropriation that would make it immune to referendum.

Michigan voters overturned a similar law in 2002 after Democrats forced a ballot referendum via petition drive.

The new bill would provide funding to the Michigan Secretary of State to assess the impact of eliminating straight-ticket voting, assist in ongoing fraud prevention and "provide equipment to facilitate the integrity of the election process," among other things.

Sen. Dave Robertson, R-Grand Blanc, called the appropriation "entirely legitimate," but critics pointed out that most state spending decisions are made during the budget process, not within policy bills.

"Let's not lie to each other, and let's not lie to voters of this state. This appropriation is a $1 million insurance policy against the will of the people," said Sen. Curtis Hertel Jr., D-Meridian Township.

Read more: http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/11/straight-ticket_voting_ban_spe.html



Question: How much more will Michigan Voters suck up buttercup when it comes to integrity of their State Government?

A legitimate question considering The Center of Public Integrity (TCOPI) rated Michigan dead last out of 50 States, or a F- when it relates to Governmental Accountability, Ethics or Integrity.

An F-, let that sink in for a minute as....

Michigan's Republican controlled Senate has done it again. Done what, you ask.

Ensured that when the Center of Public Integrity rates all things Great Lakes Blue when it comes to Government next time, the State will receive a F--, if such a rating can ever exist.

The only area Michigan could manage to squeeze any letter grade over an C+ was related to Electoral Oversight, with a B.

Less than three days after TCOPI issued its latest annual report, State Republicans are determined to knock the scale down about three levels, to match Michigan's overall integrity rating, an F.


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Straight-ticket voting ban speeds through Michigan Senate with shield against repeal (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 OP
And to think we almost went back to Michigan after retirement Plucketeer Nov 2015 #1
You made the RIGHT Decision.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #2
Not to mention that the roads will break your car in half corkhead Nov 2015 #15
I retired back home to Michigan last year, and I'm sickened by the politics. Faygo Kid Nov 2015 #25
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Nov 2015 #36
Now we're MICHissippi. I haven't seen you on DU in ages, Pathwalker Nov 2015 #38
Republicans did this in Wisconsin a few years ago dragonlady Nov 2015 #3
In Michigan, and especially the highly populated.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #7
What possible problem Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #4
Republicans have lost the Presidential Elections in Michigan.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #5
Actually, it's about limiting down ticket voting. onehandle Nov 2015 #9
Actually, No It's Not... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #11
I don't get it either... annabanana Nov 2015 #6
The Voter.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #10
Thank you for explaining. Gregorian Nov 2015 #14
Sure... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #16
Thank you for the explanation. bvf Nov 2015 #18
Yep... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #19
It is going to cost them.. The low knowledge "R's" will give up quicker than the D's will. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #29
45 minutes? svpadgham Nov 2015 #39
How the heck does voting take 45 minutes once you are actually in the booth? 4lbs Nov 2015 #42
Nor do I Retrograde Nov 2015 #34
I don't like straight ticket voting. goldent Nov 2015 #43
Michigan is just 'catching up' with the South. nt onehandle Nov 2015 #8
Now we can agree.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #12
I didn't know that Southern states don't allow straight ticket voting TeddyR Nov 2015 #22
Georgia eliminated it 21 years ago. The rest did later. NC was the last in 2013. onehandle Nov 2015 #23
Because of the electoral college, General Election votes are always gathered up by Republicans in GA YOHABLO Nov 2015 #28
In WV our new republican legislature eliminated it too. hollowdweller Nov 2015 #37
The rethug assault on voters continues... blackspade Nov 2015 #13
It never ends.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #17
Straight ticket is, I guess, too difficult to flip specific votes. nt valerief Nov 2015 #20
You win elehhhhna Nov 2015 #27
Very likely an important factor. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #35
They'll do anything to discourage people from voting. NonMetro Nov 2015 #21
These assholes make me sick MrScorpio Nov 2015 #24
And yet another step towards turning my beloved state into Michissippi. Words fail me. catbyte Nov 2015 #26
Michigan can expect to see Republicans run ads with blue logos. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #30
Doesn't this create longer lines so people get discouraged to not vote? Pauldg47 Nov 2015 #31
Yes... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #32
It's all meant to protect the GOP majorities in the legislature. NonMetro Nov 2015 #41
Call me naieve, but isn't this interfering PumpkinAle Nov 2015 #33
Yes it is interfering with the LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #44
Wow - that has me fuming too. PumpkinAle Nov 2015 #47
The current right wing is the biggest threat this country has ever faced. IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #40
They should change the state song, "Michigan, My Michigan" to "Michisippi, my Michisippi" catbyte Nov 2015 #45
HA!! Michigan voters .... the_sly_pig Nov 2015 #46
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
1. And to think we almost went back to Michigan after retirement
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:24 PM
Nov 2015

I would be tied in knots over what the MI legislature is doing! It's bad enough to live in a RED district of a solid blue state - but it's way more comfortable than living in the oppressive political climate of Michigan!

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
15. Not to mention that the roads will break your car in half
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

Republicons and their billionaire puppet masters want road maintenance to be paid for on the backs of the working poor through increasing gasoline taxes and licensing fees. Nothing is happening and Michigan's infrastructure is disintegrating. It is a standoff resulting in some of the worst roads in the nation.

The dividing line is not where you think; The Governor and both sides of the state legislature are controlled by Repugs. There is a battle royale between the greedy billioniare wing of the republicons that want the poor to pay for it and the wild eyed crazies that want to totally eliminate state government and don't want to generate tax revenue FROM ANY SOURCE to fix the roads.

Faygo Kid

(21,492 posts)
25. I retired back home to Michigan last year, and I'm sickened by the politics.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

The Tea Party/corporatist GOP is destroying my beloved home state. We were the home of sane Republicans like Arthur Vandenberg, Gerald Ford, Bill Milliken, George Romney. Now our state is bought and paid for by GOP Big Money. Gerrymandering, Dem cowardice, incessant talk radio and again, Big Money, have bought this state. Remember when we produced the likes of Walter Reuther?

Pathwalker

(6,603 posts)
38. Now we're MICHissippi. I haven't seen you on DU in ages,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:13 PM
Nov 2015

Faygo Kid, welcome back to this miserable hellhole, and DU. Our state politicians are just sooo busy screwing each other to bother with all us "citizens" or fix our crumbling roads. When I came here, Bill Milliken was Governor,; boy have the Repukes changed - I think they're actually trying kill this state.
Remember rest stops? They're gone. Thanks Engler....

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
3. Republicans did this in Wisconsin a few years ago
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

Ironically, I read about a study that found more Republicans than Democrats had voted straight-ticket in Wisconsin before the change.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
7. In Michigan, and especially the highly populated....
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

S.E. Michigan portion, more Democrats than Republicans vote Straight Ticket. Plus the GOP is making their bold attempt to Rig An Election AGAIN....this time to have Michigan's 16 Electoral Votes count for the Republican POTUS nominee since the days of Poppi Bush.

There will be no criminal charges in the election-rigging scandal that embarrassed state House Speaker Jase Bolger and cost another lawmaker his job. Judge Rosemarie Aqualina in Lansing says there’s no evidence any crimes were committed.

This wraps up a year-long inquiry based on a complaint filed by Democratic leaders. The investigation focused on the leap by state Representative Roy Schmidt of Grand Rapids from the Democrats to the Republicans.

Bolger encouraged and helped arrange the party switch, which added one more vote to his House Republican majority. They also tried to recruit a sham Democrat to appear on the ballot opposite Schmidt.

The plot was uncovered and the candidate dropped out after it was revealed he didn’t live in the district.

The Kent County prosecutor also found no evidence of a crime, but Schmidt lost his reelection bid.

The grand jury records will be sealed, but the judge says, upon request, she will file an affidavit clearing anyone publicly named as a target of the inquiry.


http://michiganradio.org/post/grand-juror-clears-bolger-schmidt-crimes-election-scandal

That's who it ROLLS in Michigan....

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
5. Republicans have lost the Presidential Elections in Michigan....
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:41 PM
Nov 2015

Since Pappi Bush was in Office. They believe if they can blow up Straight ticket voting, a Republican can win Michigan for POTUS.

This can be the ONLY reason, as Republicans now control everything in the State Legislature, Judicial and Executive Offices, despite Michigan having Straight Ticket voting since 2002.

Also, they want to make sure those up and coming new Diebold voting machines in Michigan, which will be in place by the 2016 Elections, will be rigged in their favor.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
9. Actually, it's about limiting down ticket voting.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

Many, especially in a presidential year, vote for a POTUS, then skip the rest.

They are hoping to hang on to what they have.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
11. Actually, No It's Not...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

They control Everything on the State Level. This is about the Presidential Election as Straight Ticket voting has NOT impacted their ability to have power within the State of Michigan.

annabanana

(52,804 posts)
6. I don't get it either...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:43 PM
Nov 2015

Does it PREVENT someone from voting a straight ticket, or does it just mean that you can't push one button to accomplish the whole slate?

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
10. The Voter....
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:54 PM
Nov 2015

Now can fill the box at near the top of a ballot deciding to vote straight Democrat or Republican in the General Election, then flip the ballot over to vote in Non-Parisian elections and any proposals, millage's or referendums on the ballot. The process for most voters electing straight ticket would go from 5-10 minutes in the voting booth, to up over 45 minutes -- depending on how long the ballot proposals, millage's and referendums language is.

Republicans got a plan, and that is to suppress voters in Michigan from taking time to participate in voting by making the process LONGER and voting lines LONGER to discourage voting....in hope to have Michigan's 16 Electoral Votes be awarded to the Republican POTUS candidate in the General Election.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
14. Thank you for explaining.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

I don't like learning about things so counterproductive for a society, but it's required learning.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
18. Thank you for the explanation.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

A million-buck appropriation to make the measure referendum-proof? Ye Gads!

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
19. Yep...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:42 PM
Nov 2015

Michigan Republicans do this on purpose, just like with the Right to Work for Less Bill, the Emergency Manager Law 2.0 and a host of other mess they've rammed though -- they place an appropriation to the measure to ensure the People have no recourse speak to power.

svpadgham

(670 posts)
39. 45 minutes?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

I don't see how having to check every box with a "D" or an "R" by the name would add over half an hour if you are specifically looking to vote that way. I think this is just another ploy by Republicans to keep the nonissue of voter fraud in the public eye. They apparently are also under the impression that Democrats are illiterate and can't decipher the ballot.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
42. How the heck does voting take 45 minutes once you are actually in the booth?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:25 PM
Nov 2015

Once I've gotten into the booth, voting has never taken me more than 5 minutes, and that's with me filling in each and every bubble for each proposition/seat/position I'm am voting for that day.

Even with 30+ different offices and propositions to decide, it only takes me about 10 seconds each to fill in the bubble(s). So, 300 seconds.... 5 minutes.


Of course, I'm diligent and actually read the sample ballot mailed to me and fill it out weeks before voting day. That way, once I've gotten to the booth, all I have to do is reference the sample ballot that I bring with me, and simply check it quickly as I vote.

KEY:

Already know who and how you are going to vote before even getting to the booth. You have weeks to read and decide with the sample ballot before the actual voting day. Don't read the ballots and decide when you are in the booth. You should have already decided weeks or days before.


ALTERNATE SOLUTION:

Just do mail-in ballots. No Diebold machines. No having to wait in long lines. No problems with not having straight ticket voting.


Nevertheless, in California, we don't have straight ticket voting. I don't think we've ever had it. Never really has been an issue either. As I said above, if one is concerned about it, just change to mail-in ballots and vote in the comfort of your own home.

Retrograde

(11,419 posts)
34. Nor do I
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:58 PM
Nov 2015

People will actually have to read the ballot and vote in individual races? Just like most states?

California hasn't had straight party voting in the nearly 40 years I've been voting here. To make things even more challenging for voters, candidates are listed in random rather than alphabetic order - and the order differs by assembly district. And yet we manage.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
43. I don't like straight ticket voting.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

I think candidates should win based on their qualifications and positions, and not their party.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
22. I didn't know that Southern states don't allow straight ticket voting
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:04 PM
Nov 2015

Does that apply to all Southern states or just some?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
23. Georgia eliminated it 21 years ago. The rest did later. NC was the last in 2013.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:03 AM
Nov 2015

Straight party voting benefits Democrats.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
28. Because of the electoral college, General Election votes are always gathered up by Republicans in GA
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:09 PM
Nov 2015

I think we should do away with the electoral college majority takes all. Why can't my vote for a Dem in GA go to the person I want? My vote for Obama went to Romney. It really really makes me furious that my vote is not represented. And yes I live in this god awful state.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
37. In WV our new republican legislature eliminated it too.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:01 PM
Nov 2015

Now I understand why.

Wow with demographics against them they are doing anything fair or unfair to hold on to majority.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. It never ends....
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:26 PM
Nov 2015

With the Party of Voter Suppression -- the Republican Party-- that is....

NonMetro

(631 posts)
21. They'll do anything to discourage people from voting.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:05 PM
Nov 2015

Our government is one corrupt enterprise. And now we don't even have Gamrat and Courser around for comic relief. They got rid of them so they could screw the public all of the time instead of screwing each other some of the time!

catbyte

(39,150 posts)
26. And yet another step towards turning my beloved state into Michissippi. Words fail me.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

There's not a strong enough word in the English language to accurately describe just how vile and evil our state government is. It's a fucking tragedy.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
41. It's all meant to protect the GOP majorities in the legislature.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:38 PM
Nov 2015

In 2016, a lot of people will just go in and mark the box for president and leave. Others will be discouraged by long lines, of those who do take time to go through every check box, and just not vote at all. There will be many who have decided now not to vote. It's being done to destroy the "coat tails"effect of the presidential election. Make it more difficult to vote and less people will vote. Republicans know this - and that's why they're doing it. They're bastards. That's what they do.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
33. Call me naieve, but isn't this interfering
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:37 PM
Nov 2015

with a person' right to vote and against the Voting Rights Act???

I just don't see how it can be legal.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
44. Yes it is interfering with the
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

Right to Vote but since Michigan is not one of the Protected States under the US Justice Department Review before making changes to the voting law, they can get away with this.

catbyte

(39,150 posts)
45. They should change the state song, "Michigan, My Michigan" to "Michisippi, my Michisippi"
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:28 PM
Nov 2015

Fucking fuckers. They take 4.5 fucking years to come up with a half assed roads bill that won't be funded for 6 FUCKING YEARS, yet this speeds through the legislature. Fuckers.

They have trashed my state. Fucking fuckers.

the_sly_pig

(752 posts)
46. HA!! Michigan voters ....
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:28 PM
Nov 2015

Wisconsin and Michigan... two peas in a pod... You know there's problems when North and South Dakota are considered the sane ones....

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