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Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:36 AM May 2012

Double trouble at JP Morgan: trader's losses could exceed $7bn

Source: The Independent

Nick Goodway , Gideon Spanier Tuesday 22 May 2012

The crisis at JP Morgan escalated yesterday as it emerged its trading losses in London could rise to as much as $7bn (£4.5bn) and the US bank cancelled a share buyback. Fears were growing that the losses could spiral from an initial $2bn, which was declared on 10 May, as JP Morgan struggles to unwind the massive bets made by the so-called "London Whale" trader Bruno Iksil.

In a further blow, chairman and chief executive Jamie Dimon has suspended plans to use the US bank's own funds to buy back $15bn worth of shares. Buybacks are a popular way for firms to use up cash sitting on the balance sheet and prop up the share price.

JP Morgan shares tumbled 82 cents or 2.45 per cent to a new six month-low of $32.67. The bank's value has fallen by a quarter in a year. Mr Dimon insisted that the decision to cancel the buyback was not linked to fears about a possible increase in losses. "You should not interpret this as anything about the size of the loss," he said.

....Rival traders reckon that the losses could be as high $7bn. "The markets know pretty much what JP Morgan has and in what sizes," said one trader.

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Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/double-trouble-at-jp-morgan-traders-losses-could-exceed-7bn-7771347.html

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Double trouble at JP Morgan: trader's losses could exceed $7bn (Original Post) Prometheus Bound May 2012 OP
It'll be $20B in the end. truthisfreedom May 2012 #1
Verily you speak soothly Kelvin Mace May 2012 #11
Here's hoping it's 20billion DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #12
Lies. "JP Morgan survived the credit crunch without a bailout." McCamy Taylor May 2012 #2
So, no way FDIC is backstopping this? solarman350 May 2012 #3
Too big to fail = too big to regulate. Lasher May 2012 #6
Trades are not FDIC insured, are they? BlueToTheBone May 2012 #7
It will not matter Kelvin Mace May 2012 #10
So they no longer want to buy their own shares? aquart May 2012 #4
JP Morgan Chase sign alfredo May 2012 #5
The cannibals Turbineguy May 2012 #8
Any Chance . . . RogerShuler May 2012 #9
No, he'll retire to spend more time with his family gratuitous May 2012 #13
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. Verily you speak soothly
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

The fact that they copped to $2 billion so easily means it is at LEAST ten times worse.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
2. Lies. "JP Morgan survived the credit crunch without a bailout."
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:35 AM
May 2012

JP Morgan got the very first bailout. Bear-Stearns.

I swear. Sometimes the MSM acts like we have the attention span of kittens.

 

solarman350

(136 posts)
3. So, no way FDIC is backstopping this?
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:44 AM
May 2012

and did JP Morgan completely pay back the loan we gave them before this? In the crash of '29, JP Morgan used up all his available cash in an attempt to prevent the stock market from crashing. Probably because he stood to lose so much if it did. Now, we're seeing it unravel again. Hopefully, we're smarter this time, and will not bail out JP Morgan again. Too big to fail = Too big to be bailed out. Bail you out once, shame on you. Bail you out twice, shame on the rest of us.

Lasher

(27,575 posts)
6. Too big to fail = too big to regulate.
Tue May 22, 2012, 06:02 AM
May 2012

Glass-Steagall has not been restored and it's not going to be. The response to the S&L crisis was more deregulation. The cure for the subprime mortgage crisis was more moral hazard. I knew we'd see more consequences of this casino banking, but I was hoping it wouldn't happen so soon.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
10. It will not matter
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
May 2012

the tax payer will get boned regardless. They OWN Washington, including the current administration.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. No, he'll retire to spend more time with his family
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:57 PM
May 2012

And get a multi-million dollar send-off from a grateful company.

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