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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:57 AM Nov 2015

Reports Claim Charlie Sheen Is Now HIV Free

Source: Channel 9 News Australia

New reports claim US actor Charlie Sheen is now HIV free, after suffering with the virus “for years”. Sheen is set to make a personal announcement during an interview on the US Today show tomorrow. TMZ claims the actor is going to disclose he had HIV.

The media outlet originally reported the actor was HIV positive but now claims a source has told them Sheen is clean of the virus. The unnamed source reportedly said while Sheen was apparently taking medication for HIV for years, it is now “undetectable” in his system with blood tests revealing no signs of the virus.

The source claims the 50-year-old actor had known about his status for more than a year but chose to keep it confidential, sharing it only with several friends who broke his trust and spread the story.

Sheen was then contacted by several former partners who threatened legal action because they were not aware of his HIV status the source reportedly told TMZ. The NBC network has not announced any further details about the “revealing” interview which will air on the early tomorrow morning.






Read more: http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/11/17/08/13/charlie-sheen-to-make-personal-announcement-amid-hiv-speculation



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Reports Claim Charlie Sheen Is Now HIV Free (Original Post) big_dog Nov 2015 OP
So he's expected to announce he has HIV Deadshot Nov 2015 #1
Note to self JackInGreen Nov 2015 #2
and adonis dna big_dog Nov 2015 #4
Probably not the best idea christx30 Nov 2015 #5
I don't think “undetectable” necessarily equals free of the virus. drm604 Nov 2015 #3
Timothy Ray Brown Quackers Nov 2015 #8
And that's the special circumstances I was talking about. drm604 Nov 2015 #13
True but if they can figure out how to genetically modify bone marrow cstanleytech Nov 2015 #21
Agreed. SoapBox Nov 2015 #12
I think it goes into remission with the drugs. Stop taking them and.... Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #6
Perhaps he has changed. I wish him the best. 840high Nov 2015 #9
he used to be a good actor before all of this stuff big_dog Nov 2015 #14
I concur davidpdx Nov 2015 #16
What a poorly written and inaccurate piece of news. William769 Nov 2015 #7
If you stop taking the anti-AIDS drugs, does the viral load return? Francois9 Nov 2015 #10
Yes. William769 Nov 2015 #11
Great news -- but you CAN still pass it on, right? rocktivity Nov 2015 #18
Yes it's possible. William769 Nov 2015 #20
Here's the link to the interview rocktivity Nov 2015 #24
Thank you for the link rocktivity. William769 Nov 2015 #28
Same here. Started treatment when I had a cd4 count of 22. Liberal Veteran Nov 2015 #22
1985, Good for you! William769 Nov 2015 #30
That article is misleading. LeftofObama Nov 2015 #15
And you stay on treatment so you can continue to be healthy!!! My fear is that Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #33
Thank you! LeftofObama Nov 2015 #37
Hey, if you are getting older and getting healthier you're beating the trend!!! Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #39
Undetectable does NOT equal asymptomatic rocktivity Nov 2015 #17
Undeteheacble levels does not equal HIV free Kurska Nov 2015 #23
Here's a link to the interview rocktivity Nov 2015 #25
Wouldn't be surprised to see a list eventually as long as the list bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #26
Difference is itcfish Nov 2015 #27
Same motive, different modus operandi rocktivity Nov 2015 #38
Such horseshit dorkzilla Nov 2015 #29
And if I piss in a pool, the piss becomes undetectable NickB79 Nov 2015 #31
He's delusional. Yes, he still should regard himself as having HIV. Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #32
You're A Scumbag, Charlie Sheen rocktivity Nov 2015 #34
"unsavory and insipid types" Skittles Nov 2015 #35
Well, they ARE whores and porn stars, after all rocktivity Nov 2015 #40
Meh. Still not going to fuck him. GOLGO 13 Nov 2015 #36

christx30

(6,241 posts)
5. Probably not the best idea
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:11 AM
Nov 2015

as HIV is a blood borne pathogen.

Maybe some tigers handshakes. Or a good tigers conversation.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
3. I don't think “undetectable” necessarily equals free of the virus.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:08 AM
Nov 2015

I could be mistaken but I think it could just mean that the medicines are keeping it at undetectable levels. Other than one or two cases with special circumstances, has anyone ever actually been cured?

drm604

(16,230 posts)
13. And that's the special circumstances I was talking about.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:31 AM
Nov 2015

The man had leukemia and the treatment was to destroy his immune system with radiation and then replace it with transplanted cells from a compatible donor. That donor happened to be one of the rare individuals that has natural immunity to the virus.

This is not a general cure that can be used on just anybody. You'd have to be compatible with one of a handful of individuals known to be naturally immune. Even if compatibility weren't an issue, there aren't enough such people to provide transplants to everyone with HIV.

cstanleytech

(28,561 posts)
21. True but if they can figure out how to genetically modify bone marrow
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:09 AM
Nov 2015

it could lead to a possible solution or atleast a stop gap one until something better comes along.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. Agreed.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:46 AM
Nov 2015

There have only been a couple of people deemed as free of the virus...and those stories were from several years ago...don't know what has happened since.

One can have a "zero" viral load but that is generally a description as it relates to testing...say a test can read down to XX number...if a person gets to that number or zero, they are considered "undetectable" even though latent virus is hiding in the body.

HIV is a slimy little fucker of a virus...it loves to mutate and is a "sloppy" replicator, which is why it will eventually adapt to the medications (or that the medications can no longer affect the virus because the virus' receptors have changed). It also hides in areas (brain) that have traditionally been difficult for medications to penetrate and find the virus.

Also saying that I've not thought about these technical aspects in years, from discussions with friends, so may be a little rusty on my knowledge.

We'll have to see where this story goes.

Response to big_dog (Original post)

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. I concur
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:36 AM
Nov 2015

Personally whether he has HIV or not it doesn't matter. He's a raging asshole. It's too bad because I am rather fond of his father's work.

William769

(59,147 posts)
7. What a poorly written and inaccurate piece of news.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:34 AM
Nov 2015

Undetectable means just that, undetectable.

Once you are diagnosed with HIV you will always be HIV+ (until there is a cure).

And according to the U.S. Government, once you are diagnosed with AIDS (CD4 count is less tan 200), you will always have AIDS.

At one point in my life my CD4 count was at 3 (in 2005). They also told me I would not be leaving the hospital alive. Well here it is 2015 and I'm still here with a CD4 count that averages about 400 every time I am tested with a viral load that is undetectable. Normally a person with those stats would be considered HIV+ but because at one point I had full blown AIDS, I am still considered a AIDS patient.

I hope this makes sense to people, id not ask me and I will try to explain it to you.

 

Francois9

(54 posts)
10. If you stop taking the anti-AIDS drugs, does the viral load return?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:53 AM
Nov 2015

I'm wondering if our guy Mr. Sheen always remembered to take his meds.

William769

(59,147 posts)
11. Yes.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:59 AM
Nov 2015

Not only do you have to take them you need to take them at the same time everyday (very little wiggle room).

They have come a long way though with HIV medicine cocktails are becoming a thing of the past. I only take one pill once a day. When my partner was still alive his regiment was 12 pills in the morning and 18 pills at night. That was a very hard regiment for him.

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
18. Great news -- but you CAN still pass it on, right?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:00 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:18 PM - Edit history (2)

That is, you've reduced your chances of passing it on, but it IS still possible?


rocktivity

William769

(59,147 posts)
20. Yes it's possible.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:30 AM
Nov 2015

But highly unlikely when you are undetectable.

Safe sex is still the best course of action. Condoms are readily available at any health clinic for free, so whether HIV+ or not, I would tell all people to practice safe sex.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
22. Same here. Started treatment when I had a cd4 count of 22.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

I've been undetectable (which basically means that the levels of HIV in my blood are below the threshold of detection at 20 copies per ml of blood) since March 2000, and my cd4 hovers around 400 (give or take 100). Still considered having AIDS.

I still consider myself lucky to have to have survived since I was infected in 1985. I won't be "HIV free" until there is a cure. I don't really know (or want to know) how long viral rebound would take, but inevitably if I stopped antivirals my viral load would rise and my cd4 count would start falling again.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
15. That article is misleading.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:50 AM
Nov 2015

Undetectable does NOT = HIV free. It just means the meds are working for him and if they continue to work he can go on to live a full healthy life. The HIV virus is still there it just isn't able to replicate the way it once did.

When I was diagnosed my CD 4 count was 27 (I believe normal is 500-1500, but I could be mistaken) and my viral load was 600,000+. Today my CD 4 count is about 600 and my viral load is undetectable, but I am still considered to be HIV+.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
33. And you stay on treatment so you can continue to be healthy!!! My fear is that
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

people are going to see this and think that they can safely stop treatment.

Congratulations, I am so happy for you.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
37. Thank you!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:39 AM
Nov 2015

It's been a long and sometimes depressing fight, but you can never give up! Death might be coming for me, but I'll be damned if I'm going to slow down and wait for it to catch me. I'm probably healthier today than I have been in a long long time.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
39. Hey, if you are getting older and getting healthier you're beating the trend!!!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

We're all gonna die. Someday. No need to do it prematurely.

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
17. Undetectable does NOT equal asymptomatic
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:49 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 3, 2018, 11:11 PM - Edit history (3)

and it certainly doesn't equal cured.

It's just how some viruses work, and it depends on what kind of immune system you have. In most people, the HPV virus dies out; in some men over 40, it turns into cancer. Anyone who has had chicken pox is capable of getting shingles, but only one percent of Americans over 60 do (a vaccination at age 50 is highly recommended). And how soon we forget the Ebola virus.

What matters here is that you can pass on HIV even if you're not showing symptoms yourself -- and that is NOT front page news. The reason why it spread so quickly forty years ago is that nobody knew they were passing it on. Once it was figured out, the gay community was able to go about putting on the brakes.

In the absence of a cure, there is no such thing as HIV free. The only thing I'm confused about is whether Charlie is acting out of inexcusable ignorance or his trademark arrogance.


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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
23. Undeteheacble levels does not equal HIV free
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:16 AM
Nov 2015

A proper regime of anti-hiv drugs can very well push the virus to non-detectable levels akin to complete elimination. It also makes it incredibly difficult to pass onto another person (if not bordering on downright impossible, which is why detection and treatment is so incredibly important).

That said, HIV is incredibly resistant to treatment and reservoirs are known to exist in the bone marrow and these aren't eliminated by current practice. If you stop treatment it comes back.

A HIV cure would be a way to eliminate these HIV reservoirs, which are still beyond medical reach. That said, several new approaches like "Shock and kill" (forcing the virus reservoirs to reactivate and then destroying them piecemeal with drugs) and stem cell based research are very promising. It is almost certain there will be a real cure in a decade or so, least that is my guess.

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
25. Here's a link to the interview
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:24 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Nov 17, 2015, 07:10 PM - Edit history (3)

http://www.today.com/health/charlie-sheen-reveals-hes-hiv-positive-today-show-exclusive-t56391

And his most recent ex-wife Brooke Mueller says that she and their twin sons tested negative for HIV in 2011: the year in which he told her about the diagnosis -- and the year their divorce was completed.

UPDATE: A prominent Los Angeles lawyer tells TMZ (that) (a)t least six women have...contacted him...in the last 24 hours and plan to sue Charlie Sheen for intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud, sexual battery...he has appointments with 4 more today.



rocktivity

bullwinkle428

(20,663 posts)
26. Wouldn't be surprised to see a list eventually as long as the list
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

of Cosby accusers, given his history.

itcfish

(1,835 posts)
27. Difference is
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:17 PM
Nov 2015

He didn't drug and rape them. He is guilty of not telling them he was HIV positive and putting them in danger. Different issues.

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
38. Same motive, different modus operandi
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 12:15 PM
Nov 2015

Cosby drugged his victims and Charlie didn't inform his partners for the same reason: Unlimited sexual access without the responsibility.


rocktivity

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
29. Such horseshit
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:36 PM
Nov 2015

What I want to know is WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT CHARLIE SHEEN? (no offense to you big_dog...)

NickB79

(20,395 posts)
31. And if I piss in a pool, the piss becomes undetectable
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:00 PM
Nov 2015

That doesn't mean you aren't getting piss in your mouth when you take a gulp....

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
32. He's delusional. Yes, he still should regard himself as having HIV.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:19 PM
Nov 2015

The goal of modern retroviral therapy is to drop viral counts that low. Years of therapy have produced that effect before in individuals, and after stopping treatment the virus seems to resurge.

He should stay on therapy for the rest of his life.

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
34. You're A Scumbag, Charlie Sheen
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:50 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed May 19, 2021, 11:44 AM - Edit history (8)

Oh wait -- can you be considered a scumbag if you're not in the habit of using one?

From the Today Show website: The Interview with Matt Lauer

Excerpts from an open letter Charlie wrote and Lauder read:

Roughly four years ago, I suddenly found myself in the throes of a seismic and debilitating three-day cluster migraine-like headache...Following a battery of endless tests (that included a hideous spinal tap), it was sadly and shockingly revealed to me that I was, in fact, positive for HIV...Not missing a beat, a med dose, or one shred of guidance, quickly my viral loads became undetectable. Like every other challenge in my life, again, I was victorious and kicking this disease's ass...

The personal disbelief, karmic confusion, shame and anger lead to a temporary yet abysmal descent into profound substance abuse and fathomless drinking. It was a suicide run. Problem was, I'd forgotten that I'm too tough for such a cowardly departure. Yet, despite this loathsome and horrific odyssey, I was vigilant with my anti-viral program. My medical team could only shake their heads as each and every blood test returned levels revealing a state of remission. Even though I might have been trying to kill myself, one thing was radically evident: the disease was not.

Talk about being your own worst enemy: You decide to go out in a blaze of glory, but having access to the best medical care money can buy, you also decide to try saving yourself. Or was the suicide run your backup plan?


In and around this perplexing and difficult time, I dazedly chose (or hired) the companionship of unsavory and insipid types. Regardless of their salt-less reputations, I always led with condoms and honesty when it came to my condition. Sadly, my truth soon became their treason, as a deluge of blackmail and extortion took center stage in this circus of deceit. To date, I have paid out countless millions to these desperate charlatans. Locked in a vacuum of fear, I chose to allow their threats and skullduggery to vastly deplete future assets from my children, while my 'secret' sat entombed in their hives of folly (or so I thought).

It's admirable that you remember always remembering to inform your partners of your condition despite being so abysmally descended and dazed. And I suppose it's admirable that you found a way to mix safe sex with your substance-fueled pursuit of debauchery with strangers (some of whom you hired). Unfortunately for you, some of your unsavory, insipid, disreputable companions have come forth begging to differ with your contention. But if you always supplied them with the truth about your status and with condoms, why did you agree to pay them? And more to the point, why did you trust such bottom-dwelling lowlifes to care about your keeping your confidence -- because they're IN it for money rather than love?


...I'm claiming back my freedom. The scales of justice will swiftly and righteously re-balance themselves. My partying days are behind me. My philanthropic days are ahead of me. Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "Courage is grace under pressure." I've served my time under pressure; I now embrace the courage, and the grace.

If the scales of justice are operational, they will have you serving California's six-month maximum for every person you didn't inform or use condoms with -- consecutively. A defense strategy made up of celebrity justice, "family guy" guilt tripping, the hint of big community service payments, and prostitutes screaming rape because their checks bounced might get you off the hook. But in the meantime, please keep in mind that:

As of now, there is no such thing as being HIV free
There are only two HIV statuses: HIV positive and HIV negative
If your HIV levels are so low they're undetectable, you are HIV positive
Even if your HIV levels are so low they're undetectable, you must continue with your HIV medication and treatments
If you are HIV positive, you MUST inform ALL your sexual partners even if you're paying them. It's a legality as well as a civility.

An undetectable level of HIV is like a mild case of pregnancy.


rocktivity

rocktivity

(45,008 posts)
40. Well, they ARE whores and porn stars, after all
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 01:27 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:53 AM - Edit history (9)

they have no rights that respectable people are obligated to respect.

Indeed, Charlie should have dared them to take him to court instead of submitting to their blackmail -- oops, I mean, instead of entering into confidentiality agreements with them. It's his word against theirs, after all: people who stoop to being paid for sex are ALWAYS seen as being LESS respectable and credible as people who stoop to PAYING for it!


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