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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:51 AM Nov 2015

Saudi court sentences poet to death for renouncing Islam

Source: Guardian UK

A Palestinian poet and leading member of Saudi Arabia’s nascent contemporary art scene has been sentenced to death for renouncing Islam.

A Saudi court on Tuesday ordered the execution of Ashraf Fayadh, who has curated art shows in Jeddah and at the Venice Biennale. The poet, who said he did not have legal representation, was given 30 days to appeal against the ruling.

Fayadh, 35, a key member of the British-Saudi art organisation Edge of Arabia, was originally sentenced to four years in prison and 800 lashes by the general court in Abha, a city in the south-west of the ultraconservative kingdom, in May 2014.

But after his appeal was dismissed he was retried last month and a new panel of judges ruled that his repentance did not prevent his execution.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/20/saudi-court-sentences-poet-to-death-for-renouncing-islam

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Saudi court sentences poet to death for renouncing Islam (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 OP
it's all imperial colonialism's fault, didn't you know??? ericson00 Nov 2015 #1
Imperialism is what Saudi DOES! They have oil and so were not targets of American regime change. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #5
10,000 feet over your head. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #9
HA! 7962 Nov 2015 #12
He thinks imperialism is about the Imperial Oil Company. pangaia Nov 2015 #17
Or just a refusal leftynyc Nov 2015 #23
Which would 10000 above yours?! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #35
please continue I would like to hear more from you on this subject snooper2 Nov 2015 #34
That bloody Sunni-Shia conflict? The West's fault. DetlefK Nov 2015 #7
Add to that a decrepit monarchy pscot Nov 2015 #43
Are we EVER going to dump the House of Saud as allies? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #2
They are our best customers for military hardware and funders of international terrorism. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #3
Our progressive ally! longship Nov 2015 #4
Everything the Saudi leadership does get the red out Nov 2015 #6
Quick! Let's sell them over a billion dollars in weaponry. Oh, the U.S. just did that! nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #8
It's OK they are just murdering shiites in yemen with it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #10
Oil changes everything The Wizard Nov 2015 #11
...The House of Clinton 7962 Nov 2015 #13
More than oil the petro dollar Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #14
Would not make too much of difference to us, but might crash every Saudi holding worldwide. Ikonoklast Nov 2015 #36
The accumulated wealth yes Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #41
I was wondering where the UN is leftynyc Nov 2015 #24
Lol UN Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #40
Preach it leftynyc Nov 2015 #46
I won't have that ! Angel Martin Nov 2015 #48
But nothing about a poet leftynyc Nov 2015 #50
So depressing... Deuce Nov 2015 #15
Just wondereful. pangaia Nov 2015 #16
The terrorist organization known as the House of Saud are let off the hook. snagglepuss Nov 2015 #18
U.S. Is Finalizing a $1 Billion Arms Deal With Saudi Arabia FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #19
Disgusting! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #37
Yeah it's time to take them off of our ally list. SmittynMo Nov 2015 #20
And our good friends from the House of Saud support ISIS with millions of dollars Botany Nov 2015 #26
It's a weak branch of their religion that needs death for apostacy to retain 'believers'. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #21
But it gives fuel to the notion that Islam is a terrifying religion. randome Nov 2015 #27
Muslim opinions on death penalty for converting to another faith FrodosPet Nov 2015 #45
Also note the double jeopardy that is forbidden by Constitutions such as the US'. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #22
Fuck the House of Saud! cer7711 Nov 2015 #25
Best friends of the Bush family Democat Nov 2015 #28
Really mtasselin Nov 2015 #29
Some of our 'allies' are the most sickening people on earth. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #30
Our good buddies...the Saudis AlbertCat Nov 2015 #31
nick name you ask? uawchild Nov 2015 #33
Is that photoshopped... Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #49
Our bestest ally in the region.... blackspade Nov 2015 #32
How about putting some pressure to bear flamingdem Nov 2015 #38
Can you imagine being a rational scientific person in Saudi Arabia? FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #39
A land where art and cinemas are banned. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #42
It's impossible for any movement to start there because they just kill you. WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2015 #44
I suppose this is moderate islam... ileus Nov 2015 #47
The Saudis are the worst Muslims on the planet. plus5mace Nov 2015 #51
Nailed it. Why does the world give them a pass? Throd Nov 2015 #52
Same folks who gave $25 million to the Clinton Foundation Dems to Win Nov 2015 #53
and we're fighting ISIS because THEY'RE violent religious extremists? yurbud Nov 2015 #54
Let me guess: His last poem tweaked the noses of the Saudi royals jmowreader Nov 2015 #55
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. Or just a refusal
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:18 AM
Nov 2015

to acknowledge what's right in front of their face. This has been a most enlightening week on DU.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. That bloody Sunni-Shia conflict? The West's fault.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:15 AM
Nov 2015

Just wait for it:
1. Climate-change will make eastern Saudi-Arabia so hot, there will be summer-days when stepping outside is literally lethal.
2. And a month ago, Saudi-Arabia announced that it stops growing wheat in the desert effective immediately, because the aquifiers are running out of water.
3. New technologies will decrease the market for gas and climate-change will make burning oil a bad political decision. The price of oil will drop in the upcoming decades. All this precious oil, but nobody needs it.

What does that lead to? The Syria-scenario:
A repressive, brutal regime and a population that demands changes because it's afraid of famine and droughts.
Throw some islamic extremism into the mix, because Saudi-Arabia is an exporter for ideologies like Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
43. Add to that a decrepit monarchy
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:04 PM
Nov 2015

and 40% of the population under age 15 and with no hope for the future. The country's a ticking bomb.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Are we EVER going to dump the House of Saud as allies?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:55 AM
Nov 2015

Those guys are assholes of the first rank, which I know makes them perfect allies for much of Congress, but at least SOME Dems ought to be pushing to break ties with them.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
3. They are our best customers for military hardware and funders of international terrorism.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:56 AM
Nov 2015

Its a win win for some.

The Wizard

(12,549 posts)
11. Oil changes everything
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:02 AM
Nov 2015

Why are there no sanctions imposed on Saudi Arabia? Because two of the world's most powerful families have an interest in Saudi crude, The House of Saud and The House of Bush.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
14. More than oil the petro dollar
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:11 AM
Nov 2015

If the Saudis ever want to screw with us they will start taking other world currencies for oil. Going off the petrodollar is a death sentence for many.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
36. Would not make too much of difference to us, but might crash every Saudi holding worldwide.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

The "they can destroy the dollar by using (whatever) currency" is a myth.

Doing so would also destroy their accumulated wealth.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
41. The accumulated wealth yes
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nov 2015

But their money is really stashed underground they have trillions of euro, or whatever currency ready to pump.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. I was wondering where the UN is
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:19 AM
Nov 2015

Some countries get sanctioned for looking at the other side with a stern face. But this? Never heard the UN say boo about this. They're useless and prove it every single day.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
40. Lol UN
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:23 PM
Nov 2015

The Saudis are on the UN Human rights council AND just donated 150 million to UN anti terrorism center. The UN is a joke.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
48. I won't have that !
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

how an you say the UNHRC is useless ?

they have just investigated if Austria is doing enough to prevent slavery, cited Greece for inequality between the sexes, and San Marino for not prohibiting corporal punishment.


http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16715&LangID=E

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. But nothing about a poet
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

Who is getting the death penalty for leaving Islam. This is my shocked face.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
20. Yeah it's time to take them off of our ally list.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:45 AM
Nov 2015

9/11 were Saudi's right? And we did nothing to Saudi Arabia to retaliate.

Now they are going to kill someone because he denounces their religion? Yet their region is in total chaos with ISIS, and they do nothing to help stop it.

It's far past time to drop them as an ally. Unless, of course, there is a lot more to this story that we do not know?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. But it gives fuel to the notion that Islam is a terrifying religion.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:26 AM
Nov 2015

This is a clash of worlds, IMO. East and West. We don't need to tip into 'kill 'em all!' territory but it's going to take a long time before the two worlds settle into something approaching equilibrium.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
45. Muslim opinions on death penalty for converting to another faith
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:14 AM
Nov 2015

From 2013, but I doubt it has changed a lot.

cer7711

(502 posts)
25. Fuck the House of Saud!
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:37 PM - Edit history (2)

Fuck the House of Saud; the entire Bush crime family (as Mike Malloy so rightly terms them); and all the sick, cynical, savage crypto-fascists who support and/or excuse the brutal actions of both these predatory plutocratic families.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
29. Really
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

Why do we as a nation that believes in freedom of expression put up with this shit, really you are going to chop his head for renouncing a religion. Sharia law which the right wing in this once great country is pushing for.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
33. nick name you ask?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

The first step in getting rid of an oppressive regime is to start using humor to mock their fearless leader. So, in that tradition...



King "Slick Sal" Salman of Saudi Arabia

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
32. Our bestest ally in the region....
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

The fatherland of ISIS.
And the home of the 9/11 bombers and its mastermind.
Corrupt, morally bankrupt assholes.

flamingdem

(39,328 posts)
38. How about putting some pressure to bear
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:17 PM
Nov 2015

along with that massive arms deal.

I don't think it's tenable to maintain relations with the Saudis, something has to give.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
39. Can you imagine being a rational scientific person in Saudi Arabia?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

You would have to go through the motions of being a believer, lie to your own family, and hide your intelligence just to survive.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
42. A land where art and cinemas are banned.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:34 PM
Nov 2015

Sick place. Meanwhile their leadership spends their time in Europe and the US partying like it's the end of the world.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
47. I suppose this is moderate islam...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:18 AM
Nov 2015

It's stories like these should ring a bell in your conscience that while we like to claim islam is a sweet peaceful religion that even in "moderate" states that's just a talking point.



plus5mace

(140 posts)
51. The Saudis are the worst Muslims on the planet.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:15 PM
Nov 2015

And our allies. The ultra hateful branch of Islam known as Wahhabism or Salafism originates in this country and their government spends billions spreading it across the globe. Their elite openly back and fund ISIS and the government at best turns a blind eye to it.

Any talk of a war on terrorism is absolute horseshit if it doesn't start with addressing the Saudi situation. I will never support any middle east war so long as the financiers aren't brought to justice.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
52. Nailed it. Why does the world give them a pass?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

I know our government won't do anything to upset them, but why can't there be a popular wave of disgust and boycotts similar to those against the apartheid regime of South Africa in the late 80's?

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
53. Same folks who gave $25 million to the Clinton Foundation
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:14 PM
Nov 2015

One more reason I won't be voting for Hillary. It's stupid to pretend we are fighting ISIS when the Clintons and Bushes are buddy-buddy with the people who are FUNDING ISIS.

Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

The Saudi-funded Wahhabi mosques in the US, and worldwide, SHOULD BE shut down. They are preaching the same brutal, hateful Islam as ISIS.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
54. and we're fighting ISIS because THEY'RE violent religious extremists?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

How can people hear about this stuff and still believe the War on Terror is about evil people hurting other people?

And we've probably got a good number of other allies whose leaders are nearly as repugnant.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
55. Let me guess: His last poem tweaked the noses of the Saudi royals
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:58 PM
Nov 2015

"We have to get rid of Ashraf Fayadh, but we can't say it's because we don't like his writing. What else have we got?"

'We haven't had a good old-fashioned apostasy beheading in quite some time.'

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