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faux news, my god randys1 Nov 2015 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #2
The link is to RealClearPolitics.com, which claims its source is AP. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #20
The ethics of the matter will be decided by the voters after a huge barrage, a JDPriestly Nov 2015 #58
There seems to be a spate of opinion pieces being posted in LBN this morning. George II Nov 2015 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Nov 2015 #8
Reporting of facts does not magically become opinion just because you don't like the facts Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #12
But reporting "facts" from several years ago doesn't constitute LATEST BREAKING NEWS, either. George II Nov 2015 #22
When the news story is just now breaking it does Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #50
It's not news, it's opinion. They only thing RCP got from the AP was the number of contacts. Fla Dem Nov 2015 #56
Well, if you report the facts in a way that implies unethical behavior William Seger Nov 2015 #26
Does speculation work in the court room? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #38
We instruct juries "A fact is established by circumstantial evidence when it may be fairly and Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #51
Good. 840high Nov 2015 #16
The story is available at many outlets. former9thward Nov 2015 #7
It is the OP that can't "deal with the message." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #35
You do get points for nailing the #1 response slot, but your response is not even a nice try. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #21
Ted CRuz and Rubio and Trump LOVE it when so called Democrats attack their own randys1 Nov 2015 #27
The Progressive Wing recognizes that 8 more years of Conservative rule will not rhett o rick Nov 2015 #29
You are talking about Obama? Conservative? Seriously? We should be so lucky to have another Laser102 Nov 2015 #54
I do think she is a corporate Democrat, but who trusts FOX news??? TryLogic Nov 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #5
ANYthing to destroy her, now who benefits if the MAIN democratic candidate is destroyed? randys1 Nov 2015 #11
America benefits. 840high Nov 2015 #18
You seem to be referring to the main 1% candidate. The main candidate for the People is rhett o rick Nov 2015 #30
No, she is the main candidate as to poll numbers. As a mature Bernie supporter and mature randys1 Nov 2015 #33
I neither trust nor care what the polls say. I will fight against the corporate domination of our rhett o rick Nov 2015 #34
It's AP 840high Nov 2015 #17
What does that have to do with anything? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #25
Holy shit! What a find!!! This is.... Darb Nov 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #10
No, you misunderstand. Darb Nov 2015 #13
You forgot to provide an argument to make your case, if you have one. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #31
Of course she would... SoapBox Nov 2015 #14
Examples of outrageous corruption Pantagruelsmember Nov 2015 #15
It was very sneaky of her to put these meetings / calls on her formal calendar. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #19
You fail to explain how this isn't important. This is just more evidence that she is a rhett o rick Nov 2015 #32
It is part of her job to negotiate trade. This means working both with pnwmom Nov 2015 #41
It's just another indication that she favors corporations. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #46
She worked with corporations. And she carried out Obama's policy pnwmom Nov 2015 #49
Oh no no ... its HUGE!!!! JoePhilly Nov 2015 #42
Again and again, no substance. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #44
Yea, these OPs are kind of lame. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #45
Then they should be easy to refute instead of the stuff you respond with. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #47
I'll help you ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #48
Crossing the line between public and private sector has caused Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #23
"The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #24
She represents big corporations no matter how you try to spin it. But I bet you don't rhett o rick Nov 2015 #36
No, Hillary represents me. The author of this story is spinning a nonstory to sound nefarious. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #39
"The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of pampango Nov 2015 #28
No matter how you spin it, she is a major player in the corrupt government Establishment rhett o rick Nov 2015 #37
Horrors! She was doing part of her job! pnwmom Nov 2015 #40
It gets rather silly around here doesn't it. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #43
Really... Wake me up after Super Tuesday please... winstars Nov 2015 #52
Ya think? leftofcool Nov 2015 #53
Regarding the Shanghai Expo, the U.S. almost did not exhibit due to lack of funding. Beacool Nov 2015 #55
Ugh. So slimy... AzDar Nov 2015 #57

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. faux news, my god
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:26 PM
Nov 2015

Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

SunSeeker

(58,263 posts)
20. The link is to RealClearPolitics.com, which claims its source is AP.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

And also notes:

The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of 1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes called on corporate executives to aid in international affairs, according to archived documents.


And the author, Stephen Braun, has been doing nothing but Hillary bash pieces, as is evident when you click on his name:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/stephen_braun/

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. The ethics of the matter will be decided by the voters after a huge barrage, a
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:08 PM
Nov 2015

veritable onslaught of right-wing smearing and propagandizing that will leave Hillary's fans aghast, mouths open, "wha' happened?" "Where'd 'at come from?"

It would be great if those blinded by Hillary's dazzling numbers and money would stop and think for a moment, "What will the Republicans do with this information in the 2016 November election cycle?"

How many Democratic voters will be so utterly turned off by the stench of these deals that they just decide not to vote?

Feel the Bern before it is too late to save the 2016 election from the Clinton soupcon of corruption.

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. There seems to be a spate of opinion pieces being posted in LBN this morning.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:29 PM
Nov 2015

Response to George II (Reply #3)

Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
12. Reporting of facts does not magically become opinion just because you don't like the facts
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:45 PM
Nov 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. But reporting "facts" from several years ago doesn't constitute LATEST BREAKING NEWS, either.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:02 PM
Nov 2015

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
50. When the news story is just now breaking it does
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:22 PM
Nov 2015

Fla Dem

(27,625 posts)
56. It's not news, it's opinion. They only thing RCP got from the AP was the number of contacts.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:48 PM
Nov 2015

The rest is opinion and speculation by the writer.

Here he says...

"The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of 1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes called on corporate executives to aid in international affairs, according to archived documents..

His criticism of her meeting with the corp execs is that it was inappropriate because she may be running for pressident in 2008. How pathetic.

And OMG, OMG In a span of 4 years, 1,460 days, she may have talked with corp execs 100 times

Welcome to DU to Lance23.

William Seger

(12,441 posts)
26. Well, if you report the facts in a way that implies unethical behavior
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:10 PM
Nov 2015

... even though it doesn't, but then don't have any actual examples of unethical behavior, then I'd suspect that maybe you've allowed some bias to creep into your reporting.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. Does speculation work in the court room?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
51. We instruct juries "A fact is established by circumstantial evidence when it may be fairly and
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:26 PM
Nov 2015

reasonably inferred from other facts proved."

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
16. Good.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:55 PM
Nov 2015

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
7. The story is available at many outlets.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/30/calendars-show-clintons-availability-to-supporters

But it is so much easier to attack the messenger than deal with the message....

SunSeeker

(58,263 posts)
35. It is the OP that can't "deal with the message."
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:28 PM
Nov 2015

The poster conveniently failed to post the key paragraph from this nonstory:

The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of 1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes called on corporate executives to aid in international affairs, according to archived documents.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/11/30/clinton_opened_state_department_office_to_dozens_of_corporate_donors_dem_fundraisers_128879.html

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. You do get points for nailing the #1 response slot, but your response is not even a nice try. nm
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. Ted CRuz and Rubio and Trump LOVE it when so called Democrats attack their own
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:11 PM
Nov 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. The Progressive Wing recognizes that 8 more years of Conservative rule will not
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:15 PM
Nov 2015

help those that are struggling with poverty, losing their homes, getting overloaded with student debt, or living on SS.
Fuck your Cruz, Rubio, and Trump threat.

Laser102

(816 posts)
54. You are talking about Obama? Conservative? Seriously? We should be so lucky to have another
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

President like Barack Obama.

TryLogic

(2,291 posts)
4. I do think she is a corporate Democrat, but who trusts FOX news???
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:29 PM
Nov 2015

Response to TryLogic (Reply #4)

randys1

(16,286 posts)
11. ANYthing to destroy her, now who benefits if the MAIN democratic candidate is destroyed?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015
 

840high

(17,196 posts)
18. America benefits.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. You seem to be referring to the main 1% candidate. The main candidate for the People is
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:16 PM
Nov 2015

Sen Sanders. HRC doesn't even try to hide her connections with Goldman-Sachs and the billionaires.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
33. No, she is the main candidate as to poll numbers. As a mature Bernie supporter and mature
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

member of the Democratic Party, I am able to see more than just what benefits me.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
34. I neither trust nor care what the polls say. I will fight against the corporate domination of our
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:26 PM
Nov 2015

Party forever.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
17. It's AP
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. What does that have to do with anything? nm
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:10 PM
Nov 2015
 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
9. Holy shit! What a find!!! This is....
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

a huge pile of kook-loving bullshit.

Nice try.

Response to Darb (Reply #9)

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
13. No, you misunderstand.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:49 PM
Nov 2015

It doesn't matter for shit, true or untrue.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. You forgot to provide an argument to make your case, if you have one. nm
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
14. Of course she would...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
Nov 2015

She's all about the big money and big power.

No...More...Clintons...Ever.

Pantagruelsmember

(106 posts)
15. Examples of outrageous corruption
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
Nov 2015

that our SOS would talk to the CEO's of some of America's largest corporations:

"PepsiCo Inc. CEO Indra Nooyi also had at least three scheduled contacts with Clinton. In February 2010, Nooyi and General Electric Co. CEO Jeff Immelt met Clinton as part of the State Department's efforts to secure corporate money for an American pavilion in China's Shanghai Expo in May of that year. Nooyi talked twice with Clinton by phone in 2012, a year when PepsiCo spent $3.3 million on lobbying, including talks with State Department officials. "

Nooyi had 3 contacts in Clinton's 4 years as SOS, MY GOD, the corporate bitch was virtually camped in Clinton's office!!!!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. It was very sneaky of her to put these meetings / calls on her formal calendar.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

And she talked to almost 100 of them ... in the very very short period from 2009 to 2013.

I mean that's less than 1500 days!!!

OMG!!!!!!!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. You fail to explain how this isn't important. This is just more evidence that she is a
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

corporate tool. She has zero love for the People, only wealth and power.

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
41. It is part of her job to negotiate trade. This means working both with
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nov 2015

the companies and the countries involved.

Duh.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
46. It's just another indication that she favors corporations.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary Clinton is a strong proponent of fracking. While working for the taxpayers as Secretary of State, she used her office as Sec of State to convince foreign governments to begin or increase their use of fracking in spite of the protesting peoples in those countries.

“Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/global-protests-fracking-globalfrackdown_n_1905034.html


Time and again she sides with corporations over People.

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
49. She worked with corporations. And she carried out Obama's policy
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:01 PM
Nov 2015

and Obama was a strong supporter of fracking.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/02/12/president-obama-gets-it-fracking-is-awesome/

And she has called for an investigation of Exxon's suppression of research on climate change.

http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/29/hillary-clinton-exxon/

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
42. Oh no no ... its HUGE!!!!
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:48 PM
Nov 2015

And clearly she hates the people.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
44. Again and again, no substance. nm
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:51 PM
Nov 2015

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
45. Yea, these OPs are kind of lame.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

Some one just posted another OP with this same nonsense.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. Then they should be easy to refute instead of the stuff you respond with.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:58 PM
Nov 2015

Seems like HRC supporters can't refute any of the challenges so they resort to ad hominem responses.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
48. I'll help you ...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

... the US SecState, who deals with US foreign trade, spoke to almost 100 CEOs, in just under 1500 days.

Because, well, that's part of the job.

Geeze.

Baitball Blogger

(52,316 posts)
23. Crossing the line between public and private sector has caused
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:04 PM
Nov 2015

more damage than good. Would not be surprised to discover that a preponderance of Bernie supporters are people who have been harmed by the process that puts social networking ahead of solid government process.

SunSeeker

(58,263 posts)
24. "The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings."
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

You left out that key line from the article. As the article explicitly stated:

The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of 1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes called on corporate executives to aid in international affairs, according to archived documents.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/11/30/clinton_opened_state_department_office_to_dozens_of_corporate_donors_dem_fundraisers_128879.html
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. She represents big corporations no matter how you try to spin it. But I bet you don't
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:29 PM
Nov 2015

care. I bet your only criteria is that she is a tough authoritarian. Her close ties with Goldman-Sachs, one of the worst of the worse doesn't matter does it? (rhetorical)

SunSeeker

(58,263 posts)
39. No, Hillary represents me. The author of this story is spinning a nonstory to sound nefarious.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:38 PM
Nov 2015

She is a progressive Democrat who can win and is the most qualified presidential candidate out there. That is my criteria.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
28. "The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton's meetings, in its examination of
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes called on corporate executives to aid in international affairs, according to archived documents.

Teachers' union chief Weingarten met Clinton three times, in 2009, 2010 and 2012. Emails released by the State Department show that Weingarten's policy aide, Tina Flournoy, messaged Clinton at her private account in mid-September 2009 saying that "Randi and would like to visit you re: child labor issues — if that's possible, whom should I contact to schedule?"

Clinton responded: "I would love to see you and Randi. I'm copying Lona (Clinton's scheduling aide) to see how soon we can schedule. Hope you're well."

"We discussed a range of issues with Secretary Clinton — including the growing refugee crisis, expanding access to education globally and curbing child labor practices," said Kate Childs Graham, speaking for the union.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. No matter how you spin it, she is a major player in the corrupt government Establishment
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

that is funded by the billionaires. Are you really ok with big money owning our government? (rhetorical)

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
40. Horrors! She was doing part of her job!
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

Let's see . . . she actually spoke to the companies for which she was handling trade negotiations.

Shocked. I'm just shocked.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
43. It gets rather silly around here doesn't it.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015

winstars

(4,278 posts)
52. Really... Wake me up after Super Tuesday please...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
53. Ya think?
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:33 PM
Nov 2015

Beacool

(30,514 posts)
55. Regarding the Shanghai Expo, the U.S. almost did not exhibit due to lack of funding.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:48 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary reached out to various corporations and in a few weeks had the funding necessary to build the USA pavilion. Not too many SOS would have had her connections.

"Funding shortages and an apparent lack of interest by the big corporations that usually help finance such projects plagued the USA Pavilion.

In March 2008, the State Department announced that it had given authorization to design, build and raise money for the USA Pavilion. Later that year, the nonprofit group that had been given the go-ahead, Shanghai Expo 2010 Inc., told the State Department that it was shutting down because of a lack of time and money.

In the spring of 2009, long after most other nations had begun work on their pavilions, Chinese officials, frustrated by the failing U.S. effort, asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to intervene.

-------

Because U.S. law bars the use of federal money for international expos, pavilion organizers were forced to solicit corporate sponsorships with Clinton's help. This April, Citigroup signed a contract to donate the final $5 million for the $61 million pavilion, ending a yearlong fundraising campaign."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24586162.html

I'm so sick of reading anti-Hillary articles on RW sites and then see the same crap printed here. Hillary supporters get the point, most on this site prefer Sanders, but enough already!!!! Support the guy you prefer, but stop the never ending Hillary bashing. She will probably be the Democratic nominee and the way she's treated on a Democratic site is just shameful.



 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
57. Ugh. So slimy...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:49 PM
Nov 2015


Again, I ask : HOW can ANYONE support her??
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