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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:28 PM Dec 2015

What No One Is Telling You About Mark Zuckerberg Donating 99% Of His Fortune To "Charity"

Source: Says

By now you must have heard that Mark Zuckerberg along with his wife Priscilla Chan has pledged to give away 99% of his estimated USD45 billion in Facebook stock to charity. Basically, Mark is giving away enough money to fund one of the world's biggest charities for the next 45 years. Instead, he is funding his own. Here's how:

The vehicle for his beneficence will be the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative LLC, a family-run foundation that he controls and through which he will maintain control of Facebook for "the foreseeable future."

Which basically means:

Mark Zuckerberg will transfer ownership of his Facebook stock without paying capital gains taxes. He will also benefit from the possibility that his foundation will live beyond him, with his heirs and their heirs at the helm, untouched by estate taxes.

Which means that unlike a charitable trust, which is compelled to spend its money on charity, Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, LLC will be able to spend its money on whatever it wants, including private, profit-generating investment.

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Read more: http://says.com/my/news/what-no-one-is-telling-you-about-mark-zuckerberg-donating-99-of-his-fortune-to-charity



Via http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027403483
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What No One Is Telling You About Mark Zuckerberg Donating 99% Of His Fortune To "Charity" (Original Post) bananas Dec 2015 OP
"What he's done is create his own Superpac." bananas Dec 2015 #1
+26,384 Angry Dragon Dec 2015 #6
Nonsense. You people are letting cynicism run away Hortensis Dec 2015 #43
Well, crap. KnR trof Dec 2015 #2
What To Expect From Mark Zuckerberg’s New Initiative, Based On His Mixed Philanthropy Record bananas Dec 2015 #3
Hmmm... Damn. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #4
Yep Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #18
I just figured he was conniving with this. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2015 #5
Yes, thought it was something like this. zentrum Dec 2015 #7
A POX ON EVERYONE WHO MADE THAT ASSHOLE A MULTI-BILLIONAIRE Skittles Dec 2015 #8
So you're poxing most everyone then? IronLionZion Dec 2015 #13
YES Skittles Dec 2015 #19
I'm not too rough on him Tab Dec 2015 #9
I wouldn't give my money to these god damn asshole onecent Dec 2015 #10
Gates did it too. wildeyed Dec 2015 #11
I don't like what Gates did in education TexasBushwhacker Dec 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Joe Chi Minh Dec 2015 #39
I figured it was to deter future kidnappers. displacedtexan Dec 2015 #12
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Dec 2015 #14
Didn't know about any of those. nt bananas Dec 2015 #20
I will say they are doing a better job xmas74 Dec 2015 #37
Does anyone know how there are tax benefits if this isn't a real charity? pnwmom Dec 2015 #15
For some, every silver lining has a cloud. He should just keep the money and..... George II Dec 2015 #16
Can't say that's a surprise. The ultrawealthy have all kinds of protections already in place. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #17
It's all perfectly legal. Sounds like a prudent move. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #21
That's the point. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #22
For a sociopath, I'm sure it is.... paleotn Dec 2015 #26
it's also perfectly legal to buy assault rifles blueman mmxvi Dec 2015 #35
Reminds me of Ted Turners billion dollar "gift" to the UN. 7962 Dec 2015 #23
Shocking. F4lconF16 Dec 2015 #24
Three cheers for Zuckerberg's tax avoidance scheme! FSogol Dec 2015 #25
money corrupts absolutely. (nt) paleotn Dec 2015 #27
I knew the guy was rotten to the core. What a fucker. n/t vkkv Dec 2015 #28
Yep, and then fake foundations "donate" to other fake foundations Warpy Dec 2015 #29
Zuckerberg is another billionaire... Thespian2 Dec 2015 #30
Loathsome. blackspade Dec 2015 #32
Corporate power, government by private groups, and the law. OnyxCollie Dec 2015 #33
typical. read up sometime on what happened to the money he donated to jersey for their school system Javaman Dec 2015 #34
seems to be a pattern for a lot of charities, unfortunately. nt killbotfactory Dec 2015 #36
True. nt Javaman Dec 2015 #41
How vile. Joe Chi Minh Dec 2015 #38
Meh. His money so he can do as he pleases. GOLGO 13 Dec 2015 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #42

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. "What he's done is create his own Superpac."
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:30 PM
Dec 2015
https://twitter.com/sweet____spot/status/672031751661854720

DuPree Crow
?@sweet____spot

The "Donation is an LLC NOT a Non- Profit. He can lobby and invest with it. What he's done is create his own Superpac. #Zuckerberg

4:37 AM - 2 Dec 2015

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Nonsense. You people are letting cynicism run away
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:38 AM
Dec 2015

with you. Explanation of using an LLC option from the NY Times:

"By using a limited liability company instead of a nonprofit corporation or foundation, the Zuckerberg family will be able to go beyond making philanthropic grants. They will invest in companies, lobby for legislation and seek to influence public policy debates, which nonprofits are restricted from doing under tax laws. A spokeswoman for the family said that any profits from the investments would be plowed back into the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative for future projects.

“We must build technology to make change. Many institutions invest money in these challenges, but most progress comes from productivity gains through innovation,” they wrote in the letter to their daughter. “We must participate in policy and advocacy to shape debates. Many institutions are unwilling to do this, but progress must be supported by movements to be sustainable.”

This is hardly their first charitable effort, and everyone will remember the $100 million given to NJ schools, progress of improvements badly hung up by their lack of control over the process.

"Mr. Zuckerberg has admired Mr. Gates’s philanthropic endeavors, too, becoming one of the first people to join the Giving Pledge, an initiative started by Mr. Gates and Warren E. Buffett to get wealthy individuals and their families to give away more than half of their wealth to charities during their lifetimes or after. Mr. Gates has pledged to give away at least 95 percent of his wealth."

bananas

(27,509 posts)
3. What To Expect From Mark Zuckerberg’s New Initiative, Based On His Mixed Philanthropy Record
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/12/02/3727336/zuckerberg-facebook-charity/

What To Expect From Mark Zuckerberg’s New Initiative, Based On His Mixed Philanthropy Record

by Alice Ollstein Dec 2, 2015 2:07pm

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An examination of the young billionaire’s already checkered philanthropy record provides more insight into how those priorities might play out over the next few years.

The Newark Debacle

Both before and after his social media behemoth went public, Zuckerberg donated hundreds of millions of dollars to an array of causes, including the San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center and the Center for Disease Control. But perhaps the most high-profile gift was $100 million to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s plan to overhaul the struggling Newark Public Schools.

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Moving FWD

In his open letter, Zuckerberg notes that his initiative will “participate in policy and advocacy to shape debates.” He has already done this through the organization FWD.US, which he co-founded with other tech moguls in 2013 with the goal of forcing Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Yet despite Zuckerberg’s past advocacy for combating climate change, the group funded political ads praising vulnerable Republican and Democratic members of Congress for voting for the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline and for opening up Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for oil drilling.

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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
7. Yes, thought it was something like this.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 07:41 PM
Dec 2015

But even if it was for an independent charity there would be a huge tax write-off.

The real way for rich guys to have the biggest impact is to lobby to create a progressive tax code so they and their ilk pay their real fair share.

They love buildings named after them, the power of donating, the PR of being generous. What they don't want challenged is the corruption of them (the 1% of the 1%) owning more than 90% of the people in general.

Pay your damn taxes Zuck!

Tab

(11,093 posts)
9. I'm not too rough on him
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

and I don't use Facebook. But he could be doing a lot worse with his money. It sounds like he's keeping his options open. Many "traditional" billionaires wouldn't bother. And really, wtf are you going to do with 45 billion dollars unless you want to own a corporate conglomerate? You'd never spend a fraction of that on "things".

onecent

(6,096 posts)
10. I wouldn't give my money to these god damn asshole
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

charities either...all the money goes to the guys who live in the fucking glass hills on the bluff overlook
heaven and earth.
fuck them.
He he has shitty children...and want to be nasty and rule the world...it will just be another hangnail in our side...WTF;

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
11. Gates did it too.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

His bloated ego told him that he was so awesome at business that he was also an expert at education and should use his money to tell teaching professionals how to do their jobs. None of it works. It turns out that it didn't work at Microsoft either. Much of the hard ass reviews are gone because it was too demoralizing for workers. but we still do it to teachers. Thanks Bill!

Who knows what Zuckerberg's ego will tell him to interfere with. But now he can influence public policy and dodge taxes at the same time.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
31. I don't like what Gates did in education
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:26 PM
Dec 2015

in public schools, but his foundation has done a lot for global health and global development.

Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #31)

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
12. I figured it was to deter future kidnappers.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:19 PM
Dec 2015

His baby is worth billions of times more than the Lindbergh Baby. If almost all of his money is thought to be "given away to charity," potential kidnappers might not start planning to snatch the baby.

Let's face it: most people don't read past the headlines.

red dog 1

(27,839 posts)
14. K&R...Thanks for posting
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

1) Zuckerberg stole the idea for Facebook from three fellow Harvard students, who later successfully sued him for millions of dollars.

2) Zuckerberg swindled his best friend and Facebook Co-Founder Edwardo Saverin, who later successfully sued him for "an undisclosed sum" ..(thought to be in the hundreds of millions)


3) As Facebook CEO, Zuckerberg never takes down graphic animal torture videos or photos, despite the fact that they are in violation of Facebook's own "Statement of Rights and Responsibilities"
FACEBOOK: "Sharing Any Graphic Content For Sadistic Pleasure Is Prohibited"
Examples of videos Zuckerberg's Facebook refused to take down include:
"Inserting Fireworks Into Live Animals".
."Strangling Live Animals"
"Sexually Abusing Live Animals"
"Skinning Animals Alive"
and many more
-- "Facebook Refuses To Take Down Graphic Animal Abuse Photos & Videos"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022609228

-- "Facebook Refuses To Take Down Sickening Video of Puppy Being Blowtorched To Death"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/facebook-refuses-take-down-sickening-5839136

-- "Petition To Remove Facebook Video of Kitten Being Set On Fire"
http://animalpetitions.org/16435/remove-facebook-video-of-kitten-being-set-on-fire/


In my opinion, Mark Zuckerberg is a disgrace to the human race!

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
37. I will say they are doing a better job
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:52 AM
Dec 2015

Of taking down animal pics now. I reported someone spamming a group with videos of animal porn. Within two hours I had a reply: the videos were gone and the poster's account was banned from Facebook. Same a few weeks ago with a post that was clearly hate speech.

They are trying a bit harder to respond in short order and they are trying to clean it up.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
15. Does anyone know how there are tax benefits if this isn't a real charity?
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:27 PM
Dec 2015

If this is an LLC, why isn't it taxed like other LLC's?

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. For some, every silver lining has a cloud. He should just keep the money and.....
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:28 PM
Dec 2015

....tell all these doubting Thomases to...........

He's doing something that probably no one in the history of the world has done, yet there are always people around to poke holes into it.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
17. Can't say that's a surprise. The ultrawealthy have all kinds of protections already in place.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 08:49 PM
Dec 2015

He even named his baby daughter a larger-than-life name - MAXIMA - after a Gladiator character (with female suffix).

It's hard work inheriting money, doncha know.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
22. That's the point.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:10 PM
Dec 2015

There are tons of legal loopholes for people to get around taxes. It's why some major corporations don't pay any income taxes, and folks like Warren Buffet pay a lower tax percentage than nurses or teachers.

paleotn

(17,938 posts)
26. For a sociopath, I'm sure it is....
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:05 PM
Dec 2015

....you get to play Mr. Charity, while not actually having to give up any money for actual charity work. In reality, he could drop the whole lot on hookers and blow and still be touted by the lazy media as the greatest philanthropist since Jesus Christ

 

blueman mmxvi

(28 posts)
35. it's also perfectly legal to buy assault rifles
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

And then announce your intention to use them on your Facebook page.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. Reminds me of Ted Turners billion dollar "gift" to the UN.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 09:14 PM
Dec 2015

He was actually putting the billion in a trust of Time Warner stock and giving the un money off the gains.

FSogol

(45,513 posts)
25. Three cheers for Zuckerberg's tax avoidance scheme!
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:02 PM
Dec 2015


Thanks for the post, Bananas. Wish more people understood what libertarian Zuckerberg is really doing.

Warpy

(111,316 posts)
29. Yep, and then fake foundations "donate" to other fake foundations
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:18 PM
Dec 2015

so they can pass muster as charitable institutions while paying the heirs ridiculously high salaries in perpetuity.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
30. Zuckerberg is another billionaire...
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:25 PM
Dec 2015

who amassed his fortune by screwing people over...not much new there, when 20 people in America own more wealth than i/2 the population of the country...

Fortunately, I have not contributed a cent to FB...nor any other UN-social media...


 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
33. Corporate power, government by private groups, and the law.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:51 PM
Dec 2015
Perhaps the most important modern institution in the field of group power-and it contrasts dramatically with Maitland's picture of clubs, religious associations, and charities preferring the hedge of the trust and the anonymity of unincorporated status- is the "foundation" which flourishes in contemporary America.

The foundation is largely an American creation. No doubt the accumulation of vast wealth was one reason for its rise; another-at least in the days when Carnegie, Rockefeller, and others perpetuated their names through their now world famous bequests-was unquestionably a desire of wealthy and successful men to purge their consciences before God and man and to justify the acquisitive society which had enabled them to accumulate enormous riches by leaving a vast proportion of their wealth for the benefit of mankind.6 But in recent years these reasons for the earlier foundations have become less important, and the incorporated foundation or trust has become predominantly a business device, a paramount instrument in the struggle between the demands of the modern Welfare State and the wish of the individual entrepreneur to perpetuate his fortune and his name. The greatest and most influential of the foundations (Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie) are the creations of individuals or families, but the large foundations of the future will increasingly be the creations of corporations. The desires to give and to perpetuate the name of the individual or corporate donor are undoubtedly still important motivations, but the immense growth in the number and size of foundations in recent years7 suggests that business considerations play an increasing role. By either bequeathing or giving during his lifetime a proportion of his estate to a permanent institution established for officially recognized charitable purposes, the donor, usually the controller of an industrial or business empire,8 achieves a number of purposes.9 In the United States gifts to such organizations are exempt from gift taxes, and bequests to them are deductible for estate tax purposes. The organizations themselves are normally exempt from income tax, property tax, and other taxes. A charitable gift intervivos is an allowable deduction from the taxable income of the donor.10 The absence of the latter privilege in English law may be one reason why incorporated charities are not so widespread in Britain (apart, of course, from the vastly greater capital wealth of United States business). Otherwise, motivations for the establishment of charitable companies are very similar." The arithmetics of these benefits vary from year to year and are, of course, subject to legislative changes. Unless, however, there were to be a fundamental change in legislation in regard to charitable gifts,12 the advantages of transferring both capital and annual income away from the personal estate of a taxpayer in the high income brackets or away from a corporation are very considerable.13 But in the age of the managerial revolution and the Welfare State, a motive at least equal to that of providing a suitable mechanism for philanthropy and a tax free reservoir for an otherwise highly taxable income is the power which the foundation gives to the controller of a business or industry to perpetuate his control.14

Friedmann, W. G. (1957). Corporate power, government by private groups, and the law. Columbia Law Review, 57(2), 155-186.

Javaman

(62,532 posts)
34. typical. read up sometime on what happened to the money he donated to jersey for their school system
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:09 PM
Dec 2015

virtually none of the money went to any of the schools and mostly to "consultants".

just another grand show built on bullshit.

seems to be his pattern.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
40. Meh. His money so he can do as he pleases.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:57 AM
Dec 2015

He's not giving it to me so fuck off with what he wants to do with it. Only basic bitches worry about another man's millions.

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