Suspect ID'd in San Bernardino Massacre as Syed Farook

[7962]

Source: DailyBeast

CORONA, CALIFORNIA — Law enforcement officials have identified Syed Farook as one of the suspected shooters who attacked a center for the disabled in San Bernardino, California, according to NBC News. The Daily Beast has learned that the police have just executed a search warrant at a Redlands, California address—an address that belongs to Farook’s family.

Police pursued a car leaving from the Redlands address, Chief Jarrod Baraugan said at a Wednesday evening press conference. A male and female suspect were inside the car, and both of them have been killed. Both of the suspects were armed with assault rifles and handguns, Baraugan said. Police have apprehended a third man, but have not identified his relation to the attacks yet.


Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html

[Fast Walker 52]

1. even though it's clear as mud what happened, this is very bad

given the rampant Islamophobia and terrorism fears right now. Pretty scary, actually.

[retrowire]

2. Goodbye hope for refugees.

Hello ID's for every muslim.

Fuck our lives.... ugh...

[7962]

5. I believe he is also a citizen, but i dont know if he's 'native" or not

But still not a good thing for the muslims. they'll be painted with the same brush like other killers

[retrowire]

6. exactly. nt

[rockfordfile]

69. They already are by republican racists

[Elmergantry]

92. Said after anyone who believes in gun rights

was painted up quiet nicely here:

for example:

"Brought to you by the GOP and NRA. White men with guns encouraged by Fox News and hate radio."

[FailureToCommunicate]

17. He is reportedly a U.S. citizen who works at the facility that was targeted, as an

environmental health specialist.

So...maybe not anything to do with the Republican narrative of dangerous foreigners from the Middle East.

[philosslayer]

21. Excellent point

As is being discussed on multiple news outlets, it could be an instance of workplace violence, and not terrorism.

[FailureToCommunicate]

24. Oh, it certainly seems like terrorism. Just more of the domestic NRA variety, than the foreign

Western-hating type that so many current politicians like to prop up as reasons for us to fear, give up rights, and, oh, by the way, VOTE for them.

[Cosmocat]

106. Doesn't matter

they have their false flag now ...

[Reter]

40. And hello President Trump

[trillion]

84. No way. That "guy" said the most fascist things I've ever read, today with his go after their

families comments. And his supporters proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they would kill small children in the name of "stopping Isis." I kept reading how if the Isis militant is surrounded by kids, blow him and them away. I wanted to puke. It was like trump just gave them a license to be openly sociopathic and kill anyone, along with the license he already gave them to be far more openly racist than the already racist right has been probably in history. I mean round them all up and deport them all blanket statements. Build a wall - that's all crap the rest of us learned was wrong by 3rd grade. Someone put it well with the comments that white supremacists couldn't rear their head for 50 years, until Trump showed up. I argue that they are more openly deadly than any time in history. Remember they used to wear hoods to say their crap.

I think there are too many people who aren't fascist that Trump has ended any chance of being president. He couldn't do it without a majority and the Republicans do not have a majority in this country. It could only happen with cross over voters. Many republicans see trump for what he is and cant stand him.

This event is so utterly bad. It's just what our defense companies need to keep up the "war" where the US bombs random homes all day, going.- which these wars are really about.

[adigal]

105. Yup, and if Trump or his ilk win, they may be required to wear some sort of external symbol.

And at least 1/2 of Americans will be OK with that.

[dhill926]

3. looking forward to the next news conference...

hope there is some more info...

[blueman mmxvi]

4. isis wants a Trump administration

And we, as a country, are probably dumb enough to grant their wish!

[flamingdem]

10. This will help Trump

He won't look like a madman so much with madmen like Farouck running around

[Fast Walker 52]

31. sadly true

so fucked up

[trillion]

85. I was telling Trump supporters that they should join Isis today. They sounded just like them.

[rocktivity]

7. "Police have apprehended a third man, but have not identified his relation to the attacks yet"

But he's not a shooter, and he's not Farook?


rocktivity

[MosheFeingold]

28. Brother

He is the brother.

I'd also like to point out that I broke this story(the name) by listening to the police scanner. The news is 6!hours behind DU.

[pocoloco]

37. Tough to be the messenger!

But someone has to do it!

Thanks

[leftynyc]

96. I read the name

on another site - also picked up on the scanner - hours ago - it was before I left work so it was before 5.

[SunSeeker]

8. CBS Evening News just reported on air that it is appearing more likely that it was terrorism.

They had an FBI profiler calling in saying it was "more in line with what we saw in Paris."

[blackspade]

16. Of course.

Gunning people down while white? "Don't jump to conclusions."
Middle Eastern sounding name? "Terrorism."

[Judi Lynn]

73. Exactly. n/t

[Quantess]

111. Do you know the skin color of the victims yet?

Since it's so important to you.

[blackspade]

113. Huh?

I'm questioning the M$M reporting about the shooter.

[proverbialwisdom]

9. Local reporting is the place to review (which do not match national news stories, eg NBC News).

Last edited Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:38 PM - Edit history (4)

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85208923/
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85209158/

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/multiple-victims-reported-shot-in-san-bernardino/

UPDATE:

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85215735/

...They said Farook recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a new wife (12/3 UPDATE: from Pakistan) he met online. The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a fellow food inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.

...Reisinger said she heard the office recently threw Farook a baby shower and that he had taken paternity leave.

KTLA and KCAL TV: Wife or fiance (second shooter) is missing deceased. Baby (6 mo-old daughter) was dropped with grandparents paternal grandmother earlier in the day.

12/3 UPDATE: Wife had passport from Pakistan which was trip destination during summer 2014, although other countries may also have been visited (developing).

[proverbialwisdom]

131. These factors likely saved lives; it's also sad and eerie reading, IMO.

http://ktla.com/2015/12/02/authorities-respond-to-20-victim-shooting-incident-in-san-bernardino-fire-dept/

POSTED 11:19 AM, DECEMBER 2, 2015, UPDATED AT 01:43AM, DECEMBER 3, 2015
BY TRACY BLOOM, MELISSA PAMER, JOHN A. MORENO AND RICK CHAMBERS

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A call of multiple shots fired first came in at 10:59 a.m. from the area of 1365 S. Waterman Ave. The Police Department’s SWAT team was training nearby and was suited, “ready to roll” and responded rapidly, Lt. Richard Lawhead said.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85210831/

BY PALOMA ESQUIVEL
December 2, 2015, 2:22 p.m.

VIDEO by Dorothy Vong at link.

At first, Dorothy Vong assumed it was a drill -- just like all the others at her work.

At the Inland Regional Center, where she’s a nurse, the staff works with clients and parents of clients who are sometimes angry. They have active-shooter drills every month or so.

“Drill started,” she texted her husband, Mark, around 11 a.m.

She walked to a window nearby and filmed a video as law enforcement sprinted toward the building.

“Oh, that is scary,” a voice says calmly in the background.

“They’re all geared up!” someone else says. “Rifles and everything!”

In the background, someone laughs -- they still didn’t know.

Then the reality set in.

She texted her husband again: “Well it’s real.”

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[zentrum]

11. Oh Crap.

A Muslim sounding name.

Plays right into all the RW manias. For guns, war, hatred of Muslims, refusal to help refugees, Trump.

[johnfunk]

12. Sounds like a Sikh/Bengali name, not Muslim

There are Farooks/Farouqs in both religions.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Or Pakistan.

[redstateblues]

26. or Saudi Arabia

[wordpix]

118. report this am he went to S.A. 2 yrs. ago, possibly met wife there

[elehhhhna]

103. Pakistani parents, he was born in Illinois

[magical thyme]

19. according to his father, he is Muslim and very religious

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471

[MosheFeingold]

29. Sayeed

Is a honorific in Islam. It is reserved for male line descendants of Mohammed. So, no, he is Muslim. (Plus his father is on tv saying how devout a Muslim his son was.)

[zentrum]

30. Thank you.

I stand corrected. I'm not knowledgable about the language nuances, though I know the groups/religions are very different from each other.

[onenote]

39. Why would you say that if you don't really know it to be true?

Not helpful.

[patsimp]

51. Farook is not a Sikh or Bengali name. it is Muslim.

[patsimp]

59. Syed Farook is a muslim name. syed means martyr as in jihad.

good try though.

maybe it's a Christian name or Jewish.

[starroute]

81. Well, no, it means a descendent of Mohammed

Nothing to do with either jihad or martyrdom. Still, it's enough to create problems.

[AtheistCrusader]

64. The right wing isn't 'into' that sort of distinction. They know less than nothing about any of these

cultures. LESS THAN NOTHING.

Remember this one?
http://news.yahoo.com/sikh-professor-attacked-by-nyc-mob-in-what-may-be-hate-crime-165817696.html

[Cosmocat]

107. YEP

300+ incidents since Sandy Hook with the right desperately wanting someone of the name or blood lines, they now have their false flag ...

[Agnosticsherbet]

13. This turns 2016 a National Security Election

[blackspade]

22. Yep. Forget about racial justice and economic equality.

Fear will reign supreme.
'National Security,' the altar where our rights will be sacrificed.

[Agnosticsherbet]

23. That is what I'm afraid of.

[blackspade]

36. Me too.

Authoritarians in both parties will lap this up like a kitten drinking milk.

[trillion]

87. Hillary will love it. She's all about defense contracts. We'll get to see the true Dinos again.

[redstateblues]

27. Game changer

[rockfordfile]

68. Not entirely because most Presidential elections have

Not entirely because most Presidential elections have always been about Nation Security and Economy. I think it will be the same next year.

[olddad56]

82. maybe Karl Rove is behind it.

[trillion]

89. Not a bad guess really. But it's so racist I'd say a tea partier. However Rove is about defense

contracts and war.

[LovingA2andMI]

14. Going to Say It...

It's Domestic Terrorism On A International Scale which is likely connected to either ISIS or Al Qaeda which is why the information is dripping out at this point.

Otherwise, they would not be so concerned about the explosive devices that likely are at the various sites.

[uppityperson]

20. Why would they not be afraid of explosives unless it's DAESH or so Qaeda?

[LovingA2andMI]

43. One of the Suspects Name is

Sayeed Farook so bringing in the Oklahoma Bombing is not of relevance here.

[uppityperson]

60. Trying to point out that domestic can involve explosives. Let me ask again...

Why would they not be afraid of explosives unless it's DAESH or al Qaeda?

[LovingA2andMI]

66. Let's Review The Facts Thus Far...

1). The Suspect's Name is Syed Farook.

2). The Known Suspect is a Arabic-American.

3). The Suspect is known to have left at least ONE explosive device at the Inland Regional Center

4). The Suspect had "Military Type" clothing.

5). The Female Suspect (whose name or ethnic background is not known yet) was with Farook at the scene of the crim.

6). The Female Suspect shot at officers at the second location along with Farook.

7). The Female Suspect is Dead, along with Farook.

Those are the FACTS. Personally, I don't care if the acts were committed in the name of ISIS, Daesh or Al Qaeda, it is Domestic Terrorism, likely of a International Nature that just occurred on American soil in San Bernardino, CA.

Something must be done about this. PERIOD!

[uppityperson]

70. "Otherwise, they would not be so concerned about the explosive devices that likely are at the...

"Otherwise, they would not be so concerned about the explosive devices that likely are at the various sites"

Why would they not be concerned about explosives unless associated with DAESH or al Qaeda? I am asking a simple question.

[LovingA2andMI]

72. Your Question is Frankly...

BS! People are dead. People are Injured. The Suspect Name Is Syed Farook. The other Suspect Is a Woman. Both Dead. They had Body Armor, Long Arm Weapons and at Least One Bomb at the Original site has been detonated.

Also, THIS IS LIKELY DOMESTIC TERRORISM with a International Bend on American Soil.

As for your question, who cares! Deal with the Facts as they are now known!

[uppityperson]

76. I copy pasted what you wrote, ask for clarification and you call it bs?

[christx30]

78. I get what that poster is pointing out:

That they wouldn't be concerned about explosive devices if it was, say, drug cartels or street gangs or something?

[rockfordfile]

74. Oklahoma tragedy was domestic terrorism

The hate spewed by right wing extremist led that to happen. All of these attacks are by cowards.

[rockfordfile]

61. Well Oklahoma it was done by right wing religious extremist

This one so far seems like a piss off worker and gun nut. I would wait for more to come out. Both are right wing domestic terrorism.

[Judi Lynn]

71. Also included, bombings of women's health clinics, the 16th Street Baptist Church, B'ham, Alabama,

and all of the OTHERS we've almost forgotten through repetition already.

Don't forget the bombings of busineses and homes owned by people in Miami who have favored dialogue with Cuba over the years, and Cuban diplomats by assassins of the Cuban "exiles" of Florida and New Jersey, car bombings, including the bombing which blew off the legs of a news show host in Miami who had the nerve to admonish the Cuban right-wing extremist population to tame down its violence, etc. etc., etc.

[center][/center]

[Fast Walker 52]

34. I don't know-- it seems more spontaneous than pre-planned

[onenote]

42. Multiple weapons, explosives, tactical gear sounds spontaneous to you?

[840high]

94. no. Very planned.

[LovingA2andMI]

44. Then Why Did The Police Just....

Detonate an explosive at two blocks from the Inland Regional Center that was right OUTSIDE the center? Think this was more than pre-planned.

[7962]

50. Huh?

[AtheistCrusader]

83. You can't get explosives at a gun show over the weekend.

[Fast Walker 52]

101. yes, but I just don't think we know enough yet about this to really understand what happened

Just saying that if it was pre-planned "terrorism", it was an odd place to hit.

[leftynyc]

102. Not really

We've been hearing about "soft targets" for a very long time. Places where you don't expect this kind of thing (not that I EXPECT terrorism anywhere). This is the same thing that happened in Paris.

[Fast Walker 52]

110. this seemed like a guy shooting up his fellow employees

not someone trying to terrorize the general population.

[leftynyc]

112. That they were his fellow

employees was besides the point - this was a target that he knew would have no security (soft target). There doesn't seem to be any evidence so far that he had an acrimonious relationship with his fellow employees. Maybe some will come to light but nobody so far has come forward with that kind of information.

[Fast Walker 52]

114. I don't think it is besides the point. It is a major fact and we just don't know the story yet

We may never know what motivated this guy.

You seem to want to say it's definitely Islamic terrorism, and maybe it is. But it's too early to say.

But if they wanted to inflict a lot of death and had armed themselves heavily, seems like they would have planned to attack other locations, gone into a more crowded area, etc.

Whatever happened to the third shooter/suspect anyway?

[leftynyc]

116. If it were him alone

I would wait to see what it is. This wasn't someone who snapped - this was a carefully thought out, well prepared for crime. And frankly, and this might get this post hidden, as soon as I heard pipe bombs and that one of the perps was a woman, I KNEW it was Muslim extremists. Sorry, Western women just aren't known for this kind of thing while more and more suicide bombers and those stabbing Israeli soldiers are women. We can ignore the facts in the name of political correctness but I'm not known for keeping my mouth shut.

[wordpix]

119. reports Thur. a.m are the couple did shooting by themselves but

that could be an investigative smokescreen as associates are explored.

[AtheistCrusader]

126. It certainly bears further investigation.

You're not wrong on that. Fully agree.

There are some very specific indicators, that suggest this was more than just a disgruntled worker.
THEN AGAIN, that happened at columbine too. Propane bombs in the parking lot (didn't work), pipe bombs, and guns. They were terrorists of the 'regular' homegrown variety. They weren't there to kill kids that teased them, they were there to scare the living shit out of everyone and be remembered forever. That's kind of the definition of terrorism.


The third suspect may have been an error, or, they are hoping someone will make a mistake if they aren't officially looking for one more. They've recovered enough footage by now to know for certain if there were 2 or 3.

[AtheistCrusader]

125. Why not both?

Perhaps his place of employment merely informed his target selection, not his purpose.

[Fast Walker 52]

130. yes, quite possible.

[humbled_opinion]

18. The wingnuts at my job already starting

They are saying ISIS sympathizers attack in USA and where is the President? POTUS first comments are about bipartisan gun control, seriously? President and Democrats are huddling to try and figure out ways to disarm Americans while we are being slaughtered by Muslims, whose side are they on?

That is my life...

[Fast Walker 52]

33. this is going to be painful-- shit

[Yallow]

45. Where Is The President?

Still trying to clean up the Republican mess, from Reagan arming Bin Laden to Bush removing Saddam.

Sucks to know dumbasses.

[christx30]

47. I kind of see where they are coming from.

I disagree with them, but I can see where they would get the idea. I mean, 14 people are dead, killed by apparent Muslims in a terrorist attack on American soil, just shy of 3 weeks after a devastating attack in Paris. And the first words out of the president's mouth is about gun control, and not "we're going to turn this little bastard's life inside out and examine every detail on a microscopic level to find out if he has actual ties to terrorist networks overseas, or if he's just a copy cat. Within one month, we'll know what he ate for breakfast 3 years ago. Don't worry. We got this."
But the first thing he says is 'gun control'.
Don't get me wrong. I'm in favor of it. I love the idea of background checks and accountability, keeping deadly weapons out of the hands of crazy people.
It just seems kind of tone deaf that he's going there, and not thinking about the overall picture of a man doing very well in the polls talking about terrorism.

[7962]

54. You're right, and I thought the same thing.

I thought "really? THATS your first statement when you know NOTHING about this?" And then to say there are no parallels in the world and it turns out to exactly parallel Paris
I wait till i hear facts from those who know.
You saw it here, many instantly blaming whites, anti-govt nuts, RW nuts, you name it. All before anything had come out.

[rockfordfile]

65. you sound like a fox news viewer

The President is correct we do have a gun problem in our country.

[7962]

77. What did i say that was untrue?

I love it how so many people here will immediately dismiss a comment they dont like by attaching "foxnews" or "RW news source" or some other such disclaimer. Yet we see many here who will also instantly place blame, as they did today, before ANY facts are known.

He was WRONG, this was exactly like Paris. He should have waited for facts before making that statement. AK47s have ALWAYS been illegal in france, yet they were used. What could they have done differently? not much, because people like this WILL get the weapons they want to use in an attack. So you can compare the laws here and there and see they are totally opposite, yet the same attack happened. And even on a larger scale over there.

[leftynyc]

98. True

but since the vast majority of gun owners aren't shooting up their workplaces, there is obviously something else in play here. If Democrats don't acknowledge that, we're done. Saying people sound like right wingers for stating the obvious is sticking your head in the sand and hoping we can ignore what's right in front of our faces. Guns are only PART of the problem and frankly, not the most important part as criminals and terrorists will always be able to get guns. Ar-15's being illegal in France didn't help them in the slightest.

[840high]

95. I did see - disgusting.

[Angel Martin]

67. this is why wait and see is always smart advice

and all the politicians incl. Obama would do well to heed it.

this whole thing still makes no sense to me, even by the warped mindset of Jihadist logic.

one thing i did find in Nov. there was a S Calif biological attack drill, where San Bernadino Public health seemed to have played a major role.

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20151118/what-its-like-at-the-largest-mock-bioterrorism-drill-in-californias-history

maybe the terrorists were targeting that group...

[leftynyc]

97. 100% agreement

Democrats will lose and lose huge if they continue to dance around this, not calling it terrorism even though this appears VERY well planned and thought out. Yes, the NRA has plenty to answer for as these guns were bought legally but let's not pretend that the vast majority of gun owners are not terrorists so it was obviously more at play here than easy access to guns. There is a problem with religious extremists and if we don't - at the very least - acknowledge this out of some misguided pc nonsense, we not only are going to lose, we deserve to lose because we also would be denying the obvious.

[Fast Walker 52]

100. yes, good points

[Cosmocat]

108. YEP

This is the incident they have been DESPERATELY hoping for to muddle up the issue ...

Its over now ...

[wordpix]

120. feeling sorry for you but I have some in family & among friends

I can't do anything about the fam. As for friends, I have one Repug friend who is a good friend otherwise. We stay away from politics but it's difficult.

[hibbing]

25. Crap

Glad I am not the only one with the same thoughts.


Peace

[mountain grammy]

32. It's the time of the year or something like that.

Actually, I have no idea, I just always feel unsettled this time of year. Christmas makes everyone nuts.. just my opinion.
Sorry, but it's way too depressing what's going on in America, or is it just me?

[Fast Walker 52]

35. not just you

[nruthie]

41. Nope..It's not just you. I'm damn sick of this mess and it's beyond depressing.

[840high]

38. My sympathy to the 14 dead and injured and their families.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. This is an example of work related violence....

He left a party angry and apparently returned with his brother in full regalia.

Calif shooting: Fed law enf. official says they believe one man angrily left meeting; returned with “one or two” others; started shooting.
https://twitter.com/RickSerranoLAT/status/672197903037939713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

He had a specific TARGET.

Ca shooting: Feds also theorize that one gunman was at the event earlier in the day to make sure a specific target was there, then returned
https://twitter.com/RickSerranoLAT/status/672209323251118080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

This wasn't about terrorism, this was a vendetta slaying and the other people were collateral damage.

[tonekat]

49. And They Just Happened

To have assault-style clothing and assault rifles, and a working knowledge of IED style explosives. I'd believe that work argument theory more if they came back solo with a Saturday Night Special in a polo shirt, dockers and Chuck Taylors.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. ...

[840high]

57. Sure - I believe in Santa Claus.

[jeff47]

58. Uh...nothing about this being work related requires it to be spontaneous.

In fact, work-related attacks are usually planned out far in advance.

[7962]

56. Yeah, ok. No way that he was just scoping out the target ahead of time, huh?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. His name popped up as an employee....

Speculation is he was after an individual.

That's not specific on motive but it was NOT a case of international terrorism.

Of course I expect a rinky-dink outfit like daesh to take the credit.

[Sunlei]

48. a disgruntled employee? backed by his armed family?

[hrmjustin]

52. My sympathy to the 14 murdered victims families of this murdering bastard!

If there is a hell I hope he rots in it.

[patsimp]

53. Not comforting

"Longtime neighbors in Riverside were shocked to hear Farook could be involved with such a brutal attack.

“He was quiet but always polite,” Maria Gutierrez told The News. “Maybe two years ago he became more religious. He grew a beard and started to wear religious clothing. The long shirt that’s like a dress and the cap on his head.”

“I know he was very smart. He went to college early. He and his brother were always working in the garage on cars. Until like 11 p.m. at night. I think his mom was a nurse and his older brother was in the military.”

“If it’s him, I’m very surprised. Can you imagine? They were my neighbors for so many years. I never would guess.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471

[Angel Martin]

75. if this holds up..

“Maybe two years ago he became more religious. He grew a beard and started to wear religious clothing."


once again we have a moslem that became very religious only in the last year or two, and then goes wild with the terrorist attack.


It doesn't seem to be the lifelong devout moslems that are doing these things...

[christx30]

80. That usually is the pattern, and it seems to be holding up here.

I wonder why it is. Is it just the "new guy" thing, and they want to prove themselves, and their faith? "I'm one of you! See how I blew up that school?!"

[RobinA]

104. Working on Cars, Huh

Not so much, it seems.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Fuck. Ing. Shit.

I feel terrible for the victims, and it makes me feel like an asshole for dreading the wave of hate and fear, and the drumbeat of xenophobia that is going to come from the right wing for the rest of this election cycle.

A genuine asshole, but I cannot fucking help it. This is going to suck. There is no rock thick enough I can hide under to ignore the rage and hate that this is going to unleash, and how fucking disappointing my fellow Americans can be in the face of this kind of shit.


Fuck.

[RobinA]

109. Yeah

This guy did his fellows no favors. First we have Paris, major hate. Then we have Colorado Springs moving attention to RW white guys. Then this guy comes along and no matter what was going on with him puts the attention right back to the ME, no matter that he was American. Of course, if recent history serves, by next week we could have another RW guy shooting up the place. And so it goes.

[Kablooie]

86. Reported to be a devout Muslim who would leave work to go home and pray. Shit.

[Elmergantry]

88. So I guess

We can now go from blaming all "bastard RW Republican 2nd Amendment NRA loving GunHumpers"
to blaming all Muslims, right? Whats good for the Goose...

[trillion]

90. Actually, it was most likely to be a rw gunnut, and future terrorist events will continue to

most likely be caused by them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html


If you look what trump has legitimized - fascism and violence, expect a whole lot more gunnuts and extreme righters to kill innocent civilians for racist reasons. They're attacking brown and black people in record numbers now. Try watching democracynow.orgs daily show as they cover this. The racist attacks are WAY up.

[Elmergantry]

91. Well your a bit behind.

Its wasnt a RW nutjob, it was a Muslim named Sayeed Farrok. So we can blame nutjob Muslims this go-around.

[trillion]

93. No, I'm not behind. I've read this whole thread. You didn't read my response.

I said it WAS most likely that a rw gunnut would have caused this - answering your statement that we can quit blaming them now.

I did not say a RW person caused this and as you can see by several comments by me on this thread, I'm aware who caused this.

My statement stands and stands true, it's most likely to be a rw racist gunnut terrorist than anyone else (and I mean nearly TWICE as likely.) so our guesses were good. This one happens to be a brown person doing the attack which is RARE. Look at my link.

[Elmergantry]

99. Ok

I gotcha. Not sure I agree with your premise though.

Yes there has been more white people, but 1. I don't think they are doing it based on 2nd amendment reasons; Shooting up a place over 2nd amendment rights are counterproductive, so if its over political reasons its over other things like abortion. So to say they usually are "gunnuts" is kinda inaccurate. 2. Most of them are done by mentally deranged people.

[The2ndWheel]

115. This is why guessing can be fun

Speculation on a website doesn't do much harm, but nobody was guessing there was a woman involved in this. Guessing as to who carries out these attacks is people just wanting the story to be something that fits their particular perspective. If it's a white RW gun nut, then people get to scream how it's a white RW gun nut. If it's a Muslim, people get to scream about how it's a Muslim.

Again, harmless speculation, but the guessing of specifics is people wanting it to be what they don't like politically/socially/racially/whatever, in order to be right and angry.

[MosheFeingold]

117. I am not sure about RW attacks

I wouldn't be surprised. But there has been very little uptick in anti-Muslim attacks in the USA, even after 9/11.

The consistent majority of attacks based on faith (roughly 50% of the total) in the USA have been attacks on Jews.

Some of these do come from KKK types, but the easy majority are from Muslims and blacks, both of which groups profess an amazing level of anti-Semitic beliefs.

It has been such since data has been kept.

[wordpix]

122. my latest theory: couple is part of terror cell BUT

he (she also?) had issues at work and decided to use their collected weapons there.

Could be fellow workers suspected him/her and that's what caused the altercation at the party.
Either that or the couple is involved in drug dealing. It's well known that Daesh is financing itself by drug dealing.

[7962]

123. Yes, we dont hear about those very often.

But remember the guy who shot the 3 muslims in N.C. (i think)? It was all over the news and it was never established for sure that it was anything more than a mean guy who always had a bad attitude. But since the victims were muslim, THAT was made the focus

[MosheFeingold]

124. Yesterday

A random Muslim walked into a Jewish-owned store and beat the man senseless. His justification? The proprietor was Jewish.

This was NYC.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/12/01/new-york-jewish-bookstore-manager-beaten-by-muslim-yelling-f-ck-you-jews/#

That's the world I live in. I don't have "micro-aggressions." I have people cat-calling at me (Joooo!), spitting at me, and giving me a hard shoulder as I go down the stairs.

Once, in Houston, while I was filling my car with gas by the Hobby Airport, a kid leaned out of the car, screamed "fuck you Jew" and chunked a giant red slurpee all over me. I had a great SW Airline flight covered in goop.

Anytime I am in NYC, Chicago, London, etc. This is what happens.

[7962]

127. I just dont get it. Where are Jews chopping off peoples heads & blowing up buses?

its always amazed me how people have this reaction to Jews. I dont get it. Why are you viewed as a threat? Jews never demand special treatment like other religions do. Hell,Jews poke fun at themselves more than OTHER people do! It has always bugged the shit out of me. If the middle east was full of Jews, there wouldnt be any fighting going on. I dont see any stories about the bloody fighting between Hasidic & Reform factions!
This story would have made national news if it had been a muslim attacked. And it would also be trumpeted here as well. Such a double standard. I posted a story the other day about a black Chicago student being arrested for threatening to kill at least 16 whites (because 16 shots) and as many white cops as possible. That OP got about 5 replies. The reverse would have "trended" for 2 days and got 300 hits. And yesterday they released the guy to his MOTHER, and the college STILL hasnt decided whether to expel him!!!

I am so very sorry for what you have had to deal with from those ignorant folks.

[MosheFeingold]

128. I am thinking

About assaulting random Asian girls in a college library and screaming obscenities at them.

Apparently that is productive to the cause.

[7962]

129. Yes, it seems to be the way to win people over these days, doesnt it? nt

[wordpix]

121. my exc. Sen. Blumenthal on MSNBC about Congress' complicity

"complicity in these mass shootings on the part of Congress"

Go, Dick! Love you!