Republicans say no to new gun control legislation after San Bernardino

[jpak]

Source: USA Today

WASHINGTON — Republicans in Congress made it clear Thursday that they will not be moving quickly to bring up new gun control legislation in the wake of Wednesday's shootings in San Bernardino, Calif.

Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday there are still too many unknowns about the San Bernardino shootings, but he said one common theme among many mass shootings is mental illness, an issue he says Congress has already been working on with legislation.

"People with mental illness are getting guns and committing these mass shootings," Ryan said on CBS This Morning. Ryan made the same point earlier this week in reaction to the post-Thanksgiving shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic.

The Wisconsin Republican said part of the discussion surrounding mental health legislation is who should and shouldn't have access to guns, but he signaled that barring gun purchases by people on no-fly terror lists — as President Obama urged Wednesday — is not an option.

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[Still In Wisconsin]

1. OK, awesome, Mr. Speaker...

"People with mental illness are getting guns and committing these mass shootings," Ryan said on CBS This Morning. Ryan made the same point earlier this week in reaction to the post-Thanksgiving shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic.

So your plan is what- give these people forced therapy and antidepressants, but let them keep their assault rifles, because freedom??

[Hepburn]

9. Seems logical ......... NOT!!!!!

WTF is with this bullcrap -- protect the gun owner rights of the mentally ill???

[Still In Wisconsin]

19. Well you know, the mentally ill make up a large segment of the gun buying public, so

denying them guns would cut into gun manufacturers' profits. Just imagine all the hard-working gun makers who would be laid off at Smith and Wesson if schizophrenics couldn't buy semiautomatic handguns with large capacity magazines!

[LiberalArkie]

24. Not me. I thought I was over all to it but upon getting to 67 now

childhood Schizophrenia is back in old age, bi-polar it back in old age. I do not want to be within a mile of a weapon. I always withdrew as a child, I do not now what will happen as an adult. At least I was able to not have any problems during my work career.

[whathehell]

2. How In HELL can they justify allowing gun purchases by people on No-fly Terror lists?

Please tell me....I'm feeling like I've entered an Insane Asylum that was once a country called America.

[EL34x4]

7. Was Syed Rizwan Farook on the no-fly terror list?

If so, it didn't prevent him from flying to Saudi Arabia recently and returning with his wife.

[groundloop]

14. I don't believe anyone has made that claim

[whathehell]

25. I have no idea.

[branford]

15. Ask the ACLU and other civil liberties groups their opinion on the terror watch lists.

https://www.aclu.org/search/terror%20watch%20list

They're abominable, contain the names of millions of Americans, generally without their knowledge, often contain incorrect or tenuous information, and it's nearly impossible to get yourself off any list. Heck, Ted Kennedy used to be on the list!

We do not lose rights because a bureaucrat puts your name on a list with little oversight and virtually no due process.

[Ikonoklast]

34. Because the No-Fly list is a breach of a citizen's rights, violation of Due Process.

The ACLU sees it as a absolute violation of the Constitution, and no liberal should support the TSC having any U.S. citizen on that list without a very good reason, adjudicated in court.

Being on the No-Fly list does not make one a terrorist, as there is no way to know *why* one is on the list to begin with since it is all done in secret.

For example, in 2007 Princeton University professor Walter Murphy was denied a boarding pass in Newark International Airport. He was never told why but he suspected it was because of a high-profile lecture he gave that had been critical of then-President Bush.

Ex-judicial punishment of "enemies" done by any politician should make you outraged.

[whathehell]

41. Then it appears that the list is extremely flawed..

I'm not a lawyer, so I can't weigh in on its constitutionality. That said, if someone is deemed too dangerous to

fly, the same same reasoning should certainly apply to gun purchasing.

[tanyev]

3. Republican gun control plan: Pray you don't get shot.

Republican health care plan: Pray you don't get sick
Republican economic plan: Pray you don't lose your job


etc.
etc.
etc.

[retrowire]

31. The hilarious and sad truth! nt

[Art_from_Ark]

33. Republican Faith-Based Initiatives

[Jefferson23]

4. Predictable but Dems need to think long and hard and fight back with a campaign

that involves a specific goal and they need to be prepared to put the money
behind it with TV ads to sell it. This is just too sick a response, Republicans
and their NRA creeps need to be challenged..not wait for any candidate
running to solve it later.

Fuck the NRA.

[Renew Deal]

5. Paul Ryan supports arming potential terrorists.

In Paul Ryans America Syed Farouk is welcome to have a gun

[EL34x4]

21. What proposed law did Paul Ryan say no to

That would've prevented Syed Farouk from purchasing a gun?

[sulphurdunn]

6. Of course they said 'no'

They said no after the slaughter of children at Sandy Hook too. It's all about money with these people, not morality. They get pleasure from money. Morality is just something they learn to fake to get the money. Just follow the money. You'll learn quickly just who the Johns are. The only difference between a prostitute and a republican politician is that most prostitutes are actually victims who would rather be something else.

[blueman mmxvi]

8. wow, what a shock

[sorefeet]

10. I heard him today and his main concern

was to not infringe on the gun owners rights. He said we have infringed on a few peoples rights by putting them on the no fly list and had to be careful not to do the same thing to the gun owners. WHY IS IT OK TO INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS!!!!! Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness is hard to realize with a bunch of right wing wacko gun nuts terrorizing the country.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. Eddie Munster can be counted on to do the wrong thing always.

Why a shit like that is in charge is absurd.

[NastyRiffraff]

12. Another "common theme" among mass shootings:

Guns.

When can we say doing nothing about guns is not only immoral, but aiding and abetting criminal activity? Fuck the NRA and all those doing their bidding.

[ErikJ]

13. The NRA has the GOP by their guns' balls.

[Playinghardball]

16. The Republicans should be presented with an award

for human population control...

[valerief]

17. But they'll fun boatloads for PRAYERS. And WAR PROFITEERS. nt

[Liberalagogo]

18. Nothing will be done about this, ever

Until those in power are personally affected by it.

That's not a threat, it's just how it is.

They're not for gay rights, until someone in their family comes out.

They're not for AIDS funding, until they or someone they love become HIV +.

They're against federal relief, until they are the ones in trouble.

And so on, and so on.

[libdem4life]

28. Hate to spoil it for you, but they are only "for it" for "theirs", not "ours". It has a short shelf

life.

[Liberalagogo]

35. Sorry

But I completely do NOT comprehend your post.

[libdem4life]

37. Just reiteratimg what you said. When it's for Theirs, it's case by case and all is forgiven.

Just a lapse of judgment, a lone wolf, etc. When it's Them...it's All of Them.

[jmowreader]

39. You must be kidding about that...

Someone attempted to assassinate Ronald Reagan two months after he was inaugurated and all they've done since then is made guns easier to get and legal to walk down the street with. Even when they're personally affected by it, it won't change them.

[Lurks Often]

43. You are mistaken

If anything the laws governing who can purchase a firearm have gotten stricter with the inclusion of domestic violence misdemeanors being a bar against purchasing a firearm. Here is a current copy of the ATF 4473 form which governs who can purchase a firearm from a FFL dealer. https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

In state private purchases are governed by state law, however I am not aware of any state that has made those purchases easier.

What has changed is that CCW is legal in more states then 20 years ago.

[Liberalagogo]

44. Brady was shot

Start the Brady Bill. I guess you don't remember that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act

[yuiyoshida]

20. The Mass Mental illness stems from one place....

[kairos12]

23. +1000

[gregcrawford]

22. My hatred of the Republican Party...

... has always burned hotter than the surface of the Sun. After hearing Lyin' Ryan spew his bullshit today, that hatred went supernova.

For the record, I am a lifelong gun owner. Only those with room temperature IQs and the emotional maturity of six-year-olds could object to universal background checks and stringent restrictions on the acquisition of firearms by those determined to be mentally and/or emotionally unstable. Or those malicious sociopaths like Wayne LaPierre and the soulless gun manufacturers he shills for.

I am old enough to remember when the NRA was a sportsman's organization that ADVOCATED responsible firearms legislation. Then that bag of rat excrement, LaPierre, showed up.

It was the NRA that prompted the Congressional ban on the collection of data on gun-related injuries. It was the NRA that that fought the inclusion of tiny ID tags in explosives to more easily track their source. It was the NRA that that started the rumor that the Newtown, CT murders were a "false flag" operation, and whose members verbally attacked and threatened the grieving parents of dead children. Those people are filth beneath contempt.

I would have no objection to seeing the NRA officially designated a terrorist organization, because that is exactly what it has become.

[riversedge]

26. Ryan passes himself off as a moderate --but he is tea bagger true and true

[EndElectoral]

27. Paul Ryan knows mental illness. He sees it in his fellow Republican representives daily.

[Historic NY]

29. I'm figuring nothing willl happen until its lands on their own door step...

in some massive way....they are tone deaf.

[sanatanadharma]

30. Republicans need to pray for a soul! They have no heart

Perhaps those who can't recognize a heart unless it is a target, should be shunned in polite society; certainly not reelected.

Apparently pandering to poorly socialized people causes ethical lapses.

The belief that conflict resolution by bullet is better than disarming this insanity IS a moral failure.
Defending guns, blaming victims, taking the gun to be the cure against the gun are examples of ethical insanity.

In its simplest form, this insanity caused by the attraction to guns can be seen in those who, examining the status-quo of America's gun problem, consider this slaughter to be acceptable and preferable to their loosing their grip on their toys.

How many kids' deaths on a day will be needed to reach the magic reserve number that will wake up America's ethically stunted and morally malnourished NRATERRORISTS.

[PSPS]

32. This shows how our democracy is broken

The GOP blocks policy measures backed by 90% of the citizens because there's no downside to them doing so.

[mog75]

36. 90%?

Need a little help here.
http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/12/should_congress_enact_more_control_to_prevent_mass_shootings_take_our_poll.html#incart_river_home

[murielm99]

38. Even if this were true,

and it is not, what are you and your fellow congressmen doing to help the mentally ill? Dumping them in the streets, homeless, with no treatment? I thought so.

The mentally ill are not responsible for this bloodbath. Most mentally ill people are not violent. They are more likely to be harmed than to harm others.

[truthisfreedom]

40. repukes won't do anything. That's their theme.

Do nothing politicians.

[Cass]

42. WTF

"...barring gun purchases by people on no-fly terror lists — as President Obama urged Wednesday — is not an option."

Why the hell not?

[Triana]

45. NOT "mental illness" - On Diane Rehm this morning...

....it was mentioned that the wife (one of the shooters) had declared allegiance to ISIS on Facebook -- SO - what Republicans are saying is that because 2nd amendment and because NRA has them by the balls, they REFUSE to do anything to keep TERRORISTS in this country (domestic ones like Robert Lewis Dear or Saudi/Pakistani ones like Mrs. Farook who declared allegiance to ISIS) from getting guns and ASSAULT WEAPONS.


So Ryan is full of maggot-infested BULLSHIT.

[William Seger]

46. In other news: Sun reappears on eastern horizon (n/t)