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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:00 PM Dec 2015

German Vice Chancellor warns Saudi Arabia over Islamist funding

Source: Reuters

German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel urged Saudi Arabia on Sunday to stop supporting religious radicals, amid growing concern among some lawmakers in Berlin about the funding of militant mosques by the world's biggest oil exporter.

The unusual criticism of the Gulf state follows a report by Germany's foreign intelligence agency which suggested that Saudi foreign policy was becoming more "impulsive".

The German government rebuked the BND agency for making such suggestions about Saudi Arabia, an important business partner that is involved in international talks to find a political solution to the Syria crisis.

"We need Saudi Arabia to solve the regional conflicts," Sigmar Gabriel, the head of the Social Democrats (SPD) who share power with conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel, told the mass-circulation newspaper Bild am Sonntag.


Read more: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/german-vice-chancellor-warns-saudi-arabia-over-islamist-135521960.html

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German Vice Chancellor warns Saudi Arabia over Islamist funding (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 OP
As if Saud will listen, but it was a nice gesture Proserpina Dec 2015 #1
That is what most people don't get: The House of Saud is making $32Billion/day (+ or -) in oil loudsue Dec 2015 #13
And Kuwait. And Qatar.... Hundred Rads Dec 2015 #2
Should have warned them of their funding back in 2001 KansDem Dec 2015 #3
Good LeftishBrit Dec 2015 #4
Danke Sigmar Gabriel du bist ein guter man flamingdem Dec 2015 #5
Abso-fucking-lutely! K&R n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #6
Not just militant mosques, but Daesh is heavily subsidized by wahabis and other Saudis. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #7
There must be more of this. Similar to the shaming the South African apartheid regime. Throd Dec 2015 #8
Joint Chiefs of Staff stated IS funding is mostly "donors, lots of donors." Gen Dempsey said "Arabs" leveymg Dec 2015 #9
Lindsey - let's not taint the Middle East... Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #20
No More Free Pass Saudi Arabia colsohlibgal Dec 2015 #10
Break the House of Saud and Daesh et al. are through. earthside Dec 2015 #11
Helping ISIS = Life In Prison Without Parole - Worldwide = Simple Yallow Dec 2015 #12
Did our fracking create this? Gregorian Dec 2015 #14
Eventually Wahhabi'ism will eat the House of Saud alive. roamer65 Dec 2015 #15
Interesting.... Turbineguy Dec 2015 #16
There it is folks ...NATO and US know about lovuian Dec 2015 #17
Good quesitons. The truth may shame the X-Files patsimp Dec 2015 #19
President Obama Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #21
Glad to see that some people are starting to connect dots. patsimp Dec 2015 #18
 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
1. As if Saud will listen, but it was a nice gesture
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:02 PM
Dec 2015

Better he should talk to US about cutting off House of Saud's money flow....and all the Middle East warmongering US is involved in.

And Saudi Arabia is behind all those Middle Eastern religious and regional conflicts, in the first place! With US connivance! And Israel, putting its own nasty in.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
13. That is what most people don't get: The House of Saud is making $32Billion/day (+ or -) in oil
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:12 PM
Dec 2015

revenues. They OWN what goes on in the world at large. The new leader is more radical than the old leader, and they want the USA to be more like them. That is why they keep pumping crap into our culture through fox news (which they own a great deal of -- and they've owned Rupert Murdock his whole career). They want to STOP the USA oil companies from drilling for our oil, which is why they have reduced the price of their oil. That may be good or bad, but it's their INTENT that burns me up. They are going to humiliate and degrade this country until we all turn against one another....ooops! That's already happened!

Saudi Arabia is, indeed, behind all those regional conflicts, and they stir up shit wherever peace starts taking hold. They have decided that the only way to rule the world is to let everyone else fight to the death, while they keep their own population under their thumb. They also now own (hire, control) some of the largest mercenary armies in the world. Why do you think Blackwater moved to the mideast? I mean, besides trying to get away from our own justice department.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
3. Should have warned them of their funding back in 2001
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:12 PM
Dec 2015


I don't want to scare the children and besides, I'm waiting for more information.

LeftishBrit

(41,442 posts)
4. Good
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Dec 2015

They won't listen; but at least someone's admitting that the Saudis are funding extremists (which we have all known for a long time).

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. Joint Chiefs of Staff stated IS funding is mostly "donors, lots of donors." Gen Dempsey said "Arabs"
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:41 PM
Dec 2015
As UN Security Council Mulls ISIS Oil Sanctions, Most Funds Still Flow from Saudi and Gulf Donors

Last edited Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:32 PM - Edit history (10)
Proposed UN Sanctions Do Not Go To Most ISIS Funding from Wealthy Donors

There is broad agreement that "substantial" funds are still reaching ISIS from wealthy elites in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Gulf states. As the Pentagon announced yesterday, oil exports now do not account for most of ISIS finances. ISIS is instead depending on donations, “a lot of donations,” according to Rear Admiral John Kirby, spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Further sanctions do not threaten the primary source of finance for the so-called Islamic State (IS), reported to be in excess of $2 billion last year. On Thursday, a UN measure was proposed by Russia that would sanction the trade in oil and stolen antiquities that partially funds ISIS funders. However, according to the NYT, it does not add to the existing list of individuals named for sanctions. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/world/middleeast/un-prepares-resolution-to-confront-islamic-state-on-oil-and-antiquities.html?_r=0

This spares the US and NATO the difficult task of having to immediately punish most of the same Sunni states with which it has been previously cooperating in prosecuting the war in Syria. The measure discussed on Friday would, however, specifically sanction parties engaged in smuggling oil from ISIS controlled areas, paying ransom, and the sale of stolen antiquities, the latter valued at $35 million last year.

Nobody seems to want to put a finger on exactly how much cash is still flowing to ISIS from wealthy ISIS funders, and who exactly they are. But, everyone agrees that support from the Saudis and Gulf elites continues to be substantial. See, http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/whos-funding-isis-wealthy-gulf-angel-investors-officials-say-n208006

In 2014, Saudi Arabia publicly agreed to clamp down on some donations from its citizens and religious foundations. As a result, most private funding now goes through Qatar. The UN Security Council Resolution 2170 passed last August 15 named only six individual ISIS leaders for direct sanctions. The new measure does not expand that list, but calls for a committee to nominate others for violation of existing UN resolutions.

The effects of the additional sanctions on oil exports proposed would have its primary impact on crude oil smuggling in and out of Turkey. The majority of ISIS oil revenues are derived through the black market in that country. Last June, at its height, a Turkish opposition MP and other sources estimated the annual oil revenues at $800 million. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/221272-report-isis-oil-production-worth-800m-per-year

If accurate, oil sales was about 40% of the total ISIS operating budget as stated by the group. However, even at its height, petroleum accounted for only a fraction of ISIS funding. Some western estimates placed the IS annual total budget as high as $3 billion. See, http://thehill.com/policy/defense/228465-isis-puts-payments-to-poor-disabled-in-2-billion-budget; http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-news-caliphate-unveils-first-annual-budget-2bn-250m-surplus-war-chest-1481931

The $800 million figure is actually at the top end of the estimates. US sources quoted by CNN last October stated that ISIS oil income was more likely half that figure: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/06/world/meast/isis-funding/

The U.S. Treasury Department does not have hard figures that it can make public on the group's wealth but says it believes ISIS takes in millions of dollars a month.

Sources familiar with the subject say that ISIS' "burn' rate" -- how much the group spends -- is huge, including salaries, weapons and other expenses. For ISIS' oil sales, sources told CNN, the group probably makes between $1 million and $2 million per day, but probably on the lower end.


Along with everyone else, the returns on ISIS oil are probably a fraction of what they were at the height of world oil prices a year ago. Plus, the US and allies are bombing the group's oil platforms and vehicles. That has cut production and export to the point where US commanders now acknowledged that oil sales aren't the source of most ISIS funds, and that they are coming from donations, "a lot of donations":

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is no longer relying on oil as its main source of revenue to fund its terrorist activity, according to the Pentagon.

“We know that oil revenue is no longer the lead source of their income in dollars,” Pentagon spokesperson Rear Admiral John Kirby told reporters during a press briefing on Tuesday.

ISIS’ loss of income is compounded by its losses on the battlefield as the group has “lost literally hundreds and hundreds of vehicles that they can’t replace,” Kirby said.

“They’ve got to steal whatever they want to get, and there’s a finite number.”

ISIS is instead depending on “a lot of donations” as one of the main sources of income. “They also have a significant black market program going on,” Kirby said.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/02/05/Pentagon-oil-is-no-longer-ISIS-main-source-of-income-.html


In previous testimony before the Senate, Gen. Depmsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs stated that the source of ISIS funding:

That leaves a big hole in the Caliphate's budget - that gets filled by someone.

Imposition of expanded UN sanctions would entail difficulties and costs for the US, particularly with Saudi Arabia. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the Security Counsel measure is limited, and does not yet show if the world is truly serious about eradicating ISIS.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026192755

colsohlibgal

(5,276 posts)
10. No More Free Pass Saudi Arabia
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:44 PM
Dec 2015

Enough is enough. The USA has gone easy on them but that has to end.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
11. Break the House of Saud and Daesh et al. are through.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:45 PM
Dec 2015

But that ain't gonna happen.

Pres. Bush holds hands with them and Pres. Obama bows to them.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
12. Helping ISIS = Life In Prison Without Parole - Worldwide = Simple
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:09 PM
Dec 2015

Follow the money.

Shouldn't be all that hard......

Between the Turks, and the Saudis, ISIS will never run out of weapons.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
14. Did our fracking create this?
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

Stacey Herbert seems to think so. I thought it weird that our oil war would have brought fuel prices low enough to elicit a reply from the Saudis.

roamer65

(37,813 posts)
15. Eventually Wahhabi'ism will eat the House of Saud alive.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 03:30 PM
Dec 2015

They will be replaced by a Wahhabi'ist theocratic government....in other words...Daesh.

That is when the Iranians will say "Enough is enough" and invade.

Turbineguy

(39,793 posts)
16. Interesting....
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 03:36 PM
Dec 2015

100 years ago Kaiser Wilhelm instigated a Jihad against Great Britain and France in order to expand his dominion.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
17. There it is folks ...NATO and US know about
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

Saudi Arabia's funding of religious radicals


the Bin Laudin Saudi family got flown out of the USA during the no fly zone after 911

WHY?

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