German Vice Chancellor warns Saudi Arabia over Islamist funding
Source: Reuters
German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel urged Saudi Arabia on Sunday to stop supporting religious radicals, amid growing concern among some lawmakers in Berlin about the funding of militant mosques by the world's biggest oil exporter.
The unusual criticism of the Gulf state follows a report by Germany's foreign intelligence agency which suggested that Saudi foreign policy was becoming more "impulsive".
The German government rebuked the BND agency for making such suggestions about Saudi Arabia, an important business partner that is involved in international talks to find a political solution to the Syria crisis.
"We need Saudi Arabia to solve the regional conflicts," Sigmar Gabriel, the head of the Social Democrats (SPD) who share power with conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel, told the mass-circulation newspaper Bild am Sonntag.
Read more: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/german-vice-chancellor-warns-saudi-arabia-over-islamist-135521960.html
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Better he should talk to US about cutting off House of Saud's money flow....and all the Middle East warmongering US is involved in.
And Saudi Arabia is behind all those Middle Eastern religious and regional conflicts, in the first place! With US connivance! And Israel, putting its own nasty in.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)revenues. They OWN what goes on in the world at large. The new leader is more radical than the old leader, and they want the USA to be more like them. That is why they keep pumping crap into our culture through fox news (which they own a great deal of -- and they've owned Rupert Murdock his whole career). They want to STOP the USA oil companies from drilling for our oil, which is why they have reduced the price of their oil. That may be good or bad, but it's their INTENT that burns me up. They are going to humiliate and degrade this country until we all turn against one another....ooops! That's already happened!
Saudi Arabia is, indeed, behind all those regional conflicts, and they stir up shit wherever peace starts taking hold. They have decided that the only way to rule the world is to let everyone else fight to the death, while they keep their own population under their thumb. They also now own (hire, control) some of the largest mercenary armies in the world. Why do you think Blackwater moved to the mideast? I mean, besides trying to get away from our own justice department.
Hundred Rads
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I don't want to scare the children and besides, I'm waiting for more information.
LeftishBrit
(41,442 posts)They won't listen; but at least someone's admitting that the Saudis are funding extremists (which we have all known for a long time).
flamingdem
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Proposed UN Sanctions Do Not Go To Most ISIS Funding from Wealthy Donors
There is broad agreement that "substantial" funds are still reaching ISIS from wealthy elites in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Gulf states. As the Pentagon announced yesterday, oil exports now do not account for most of ISIS finances. ISIS is instead depending on donations, a lot of donations, according to Rear Admiral John Kirby, spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Further sanctions do not threaten the primary source of finance for the so-called Islamic State (IS), reported to be in excess of $2 billion last year. On Thursday, a UN measure was proposed by Russia that would sanction the trade in oil and stolen antiquities that partially funds ISIS funders. However, according to the NYT, it does not add to the existing list of individuals named for sanctions. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/world/middleeast/un-prepares-resolution-to-confront-islamic-state-on-oil-and-antiquities.html?_r=0
This spares the US and NATO the difficult task of having to immediately punish most of the same Sunni states with which it has been previously cooperating in prosecuting the war in Syria. The measure discussed on Friday would, however, specifically sanction parties engaged in smuggling oil from ISIS controlled areas, paying ransom, and the sale of stolen antiquities, the latter valued at $35 million last year.
Nobody seems to want to put a finger on exactly how much cash is still flowing to ISIS from wealthy ISIS funders, and who exactly they are. But, everyone agrees that support from the Saudis and Gulf elites continues to be substantial. See, http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/whos-funding-isis-wealthy-gulf-angel-investors-officials-say-n208006
In 2014, Saudi Arabia publicly agreed to clamp down on some donations from its citizens and religious foundations. As a result, most private funding now goes through Qatar. The UN Security Council Resolution 2170 passed last August 15 named only six individual ISIS leaders for direct sanctions. The new measure does not expand that list, but calls for a committee to nominate others for violation of existing UN resolutions.
The effects of the additional sanctions on oil exports proposed would have its primary impact on crude oil smuggling in and out of Turkey. The majority of ISIS oil revenues are derived through the black market in that country. Last June, at its height, a Turkish opposition MP and other sources estimated the annual oil revenues at $800 million. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/221272-report-isis-oil-production-worth-800m-per-year
If accurate, oil sales was about 40% of the total ISIS operating budget as stated by the group. However, even at its height, petroleum accounted for only a fraction of ISIS funding. Some western estimates placed the IS annual total budget as high as $3 billion. See, http://thehill.com/policy/defense/228465-isis-puts-payments-to-poor-disabled-in-2-billion-budget; http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-news-caliphate-unveils-first-annual-budget-2bn-250m-surplus-war-chest-1481931
The $800 million figure is actually at the top end of the estimates. US sources quoted by CNN last October stated that ISIS oil income was more likely half that figure: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/06/world/meast/isis-funding/
The U.S. Treasury Department does not have hard figures that it can make public on the group's wealth but says it believes ISIS takes in millions of dollars a month.
Sources familiar with the subject say that ISIS' "burn' rate" -- how much the group spends -- is huge, including salaries, weapons and other expenses. For ISIS' oil sales, sources told CNN, the group probably makes between $1 million and $2 million per day, but probably on the lower end.
Along with everyone else, the returns on ISIS oil are probably a fraction of what they were at the height of world oil prices a year ago. Plus, the US and allies are bombing the group's oil platforms and vehicles. That has cut production and export to the point where US commanders now acknowledged that oil sales aren't the source of most ISIS funds, and that they are coming from donations, "a lot of donations":
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is no longer relying on oil as its main source of revenue to fund its terrorist activity, according to the Pentagon.
ISIS loss of income is compounded by its losses on the battlefield as the group has lost literally hundreds and hundreds of vehicles that they cant replace, Kirby said.
Theyve got to steal whatever they want to get, and theres a finite number.
ISIS is instead depending on a lot of donations as one of the main sources of income. They also have a significant black market program going on, Kirby said.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/02/05/Pentagon-oil-is-no-longer-ISIS-main-source-of-income-.html
In previous testimony before the Senate, Gen. Depmsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs stated that the source of ISIS funding:
That leaves a big hole in the Caliphate's budget - that gets filled by someone.
Imposition of expanded UN sanctions would entail difficulties and costs for the US, particularly with Saudi Arabia. Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that the Security Counsel measure is limited, and does not yet show if the world is truly serious about eradicating ISIS.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026192755
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)With the truth.
colsohlibgal
(5,276 posts)Enough is enough. The USA has gone easy on them but that has to end.
earthside
(6,960 posts)But that ain't gonna happen.
Pres. Bush holds hands with them and Pres. Obama bows to them.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Follow the money.
Shouldn't be all that hard......
Between the Turks, and the Saudis, ISIS will never run out of weapons.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Stacey Herbert seems to think so. I thought it weird that our oil war would have brought fuel prices low enough to elicit a reply from the Saudis.
roamer65
(37,813 posts)They will be replaced by a Wahhabi'ist theocratic government....in other words...Daesh.
That is when the Iranians will say "Enough is enough" and invade.
Turbineguy
(39,793 posts)100 years ago Kaiser Wilhelm instigated a Jihad against Great Britain and France in order to expand his dominion.
lovuian
(19,362 posts)Saudi Arabia's funding of religious radicals
the Bin Laudin Saudi family got flown out of the USA during the no fly zone after 911
WHY?
patsimp
(915 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Has the truth, the 28 redacted pages from the 911 report.