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riversedge

(69,713 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:51 PM Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton tells Bernie Sanders backers: ‘When this nomination is wrapped up,’ join me

Source: washingtonpost




Hillary Clinton tells Bernie Sanders backers: ‘When this nomination is wrapped up,’ join me

By Abby Phillip December 22 at 8:22 PM


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton meets with Iowa voters at Keota Junior Senior High School during a town hall in Keota, Iowa, on Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2015. (Photo by Melina Mara/The Washington Post)



FAIRFIELD, IOWA -- Among supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, suspicions that the game is rigged against their candidate went into overdrive this past week -- no thanks to the public endorsement of that theory from Sanders himself.

On Tuesday in Iowa, Clinton did little to change the perception that she's running for president as if her primary is already over.

Asked by an audience member what she would say to disillusioned Sanders supporters, Clinton had a tough message.

"I think it's very dangerous to look at the alternatives and believe that your staying home is a responsible choice," Clinton said. "It's hard for me to believe that anybody who would support Senator Sanders would want to see any of the Republicans elected president of the United States.

"I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the Republicans," she added......................

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/22/hillary-clinton-tells-bernie-sanders-backers-when-this-nomination-is-wrapped-up-join-me/



Nice cordial invite. Love her confidence.


Enjoy.....

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Hillary Clinton tells Bernie Sanders backers: ‘When this nomination is wrapped up,’ join me (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2015 OP
LOL-she can't win without them. jalan48 Dec 2015 #1
I don't think she can FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #48
god, this fries my ass. the presumption is stunning. But I guess when you roguevalley Dec 2015 #67
Also, she has to sound confident, whether she feels confident or not. Cal33 Dec 2015 #118
me too dana_b Dec 2015 #124
I spoke with a young guy at work. I was surprised now pro-Bernie he is. jalan48 Dec 2015 #103
Just wow... talk about tone deaf. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2015 #2
Newsflash for you, Bernie and Hillary both need the others supporters to win against the Republicans cstanleytech Dec 2015 #18
I agree. What you say is very true. Anyone who can do a little arithmetic can see that. But Cal33 Dec 2015 #119
That 14% has no common sense. okasha Dec 2015 #122
A Democrat talking about beating Republicans? Now I've seen everything. Rose Siding Dec 2015 #29
When Clinton loses the primary Riversedge, i'm counting on you to not join her independent bid. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #3
Hillary is a proud Democrat. I believe she has proved that in the riversedge Dec 2015 #7
So was Joe Lieberman, right up until he wasn't. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #14
So do you actually think she will do that or are you just simply engaging in a straw man argument? cstanleytech Dec 2015 #19
It's a speculative argument Scootaloo Dec 2015 #20
Tis the silly season. Enough said. riversedge Dec 2015 #98
Nah. It's another one of Scootaloo's strawman arguments. Scootaloo is one of the more BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #72
Don't compare HRC to Jomentum mikehiggins Dec 2015 #84
"She would not ever have an Independent run." Phlem Dec 2015 #63
I can and will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, but I cannot and will not vote for Hillary JDPriestly Dec 2015 #64
Bingo. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #112
If she can't win the Dem primary, she'll have no shot in the General Election and won't run. hughee99 Dec 2015 #68
But she can make the other guy lose. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #77
The only person she can make lose is the Dem Candidate. hughee99 Dec 2015 #86
Of course, you have no evidence whatsoever that she would do that, right? brooklynite Dec 2015 #111
Counting eggs are we? Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #4
Bernie supporters put of this stuff all the time. Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #5
bernie is focused on the primary restorefreedom Dec 2015 #51
One of his tv appearances he said yes I writing my acceptance speech FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #107
i didn't hear that restorefreedom Dec 2015 #120
How about "If I honestly earn this nomination from the voters, won't you join me?" retrowire Dec 2015 #6
My exact thoughts. "Honestly earn" being the key phrase. "After I manipulate, cheat, bludgeon, GoneFishin Dec 2015 #10
Well, 6 weeks from tonight Hillary will have wrapped up Iowa. riversedge Dec 2015 #11
The A is nowhere near the O on a QWERTY keyboard. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #25
You honestly made me laugh out loud Scootaloo Dec 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #27
It had the Google stumped for a sec. From the urban dictionary notadmblnd Dec 2015 #39
So what are you going to do when she gives her scream speech INdemo Dec 2015 #80
That would have been a nice way deathrind Dec 2015 #59
One thing for sure, we will not win if a republican is elected. This is where we can vote for Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #8
The lesser of two evils is still evil Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #16
...^ that 840high Dec 2015 #42
Funny, a none vote is good for the republican party, they are doing everything possible to Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #43
Only person keeping me from voting for HRC Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #52
Whatever, don't complain about Cruz or Trump Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #53
they can't convince the rest of their party to vote for them. roguevalley Dec 2015 #69
Funny you should mention arrogant. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #97
If HRC loses to either of those two idiots Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #106
Because PalinRomneyTrump! R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #31
This^^^ ybbor Dec 2015 #50
I remember truman saying that :D roguevalley Dec 2015 #70
And you assume HRC has our best interests at heart. AngryOldDem Dec 2015 #91
I don't assume, I have looked at her record, i have looked at her experience, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #96
So we should just give our vote away Kalidurga Dec 2015 #9
What a horrible photo of Mrs. Clinton. earthside Dec 2015 #12
She reminds me of Miranda Priestly CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #17
ROFL, spot on. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #35
I think they enforce the sense of entitlement not betray. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #40
Give me a reason to dflprincess Dec 2015 #13
Such hubris CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #15
yeah. she's just like my little hispanic grandma. roguevalley Dec 2015 #71
Bernie supporters will certainly join her in her support of him as the Democratic nominee. LS_Editor Dec 2015 #22
LS_Editor, what you said. LOL! roguevalley Dec 2015 #73
... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #23
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #24
Enjoy the republican future then. geomon666 Dec 2015 #28
and the results are in yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #37
She can and will win without a single solitary vote from DU. Lil Missy Dec 2015 #30
You mean Skinner's not voting? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #32
O SNAP XemaSab Dec 2015 #34
I'm Already There the_phantom_dennis Dec 2015 #33
Go Hillary! leftofcool Dec 2015 #36
I think I just threw up in my mouth. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #38
Nicely stated, hpw. appal_jack Dec 2015 #44
Trying for the "psych out", I guess. Let's see how well that works. highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #62
I don't understand her lately. An email asking for a single buck because roguevalley Dec 2015 #74
In tennis, that's called an unforced error BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #41
Her campaign made a lot of them in 2008 davidpdx Dec 2015 #88
Just A Bit Cocky To Be Sure colsohlibgal Dec 2015 #45
America is a consumer economy. underthematrix Dec 2015 #56
Oh to be so entitled. Let's just skip the damn election and go right to the coronation. CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #46
plus a million. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #54
Given what happened to her in 08 CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #57
I think anger and blind determination to succeed this time are leading her path roguevalley Dec 2015 #75
Presumptuous much? Apparently she didn't get the memo... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #47
Why wouldn't a Hillary Bernie ticket be the big sell? American politics has become so do or die Monk06 Dec 2015 #49
bern enid602 Dec 2015 #65
he works well with others. no one has passed as many amendments as he has roguevalley Dec 2015 #76
Hill enid602 Dec 2015 #100
Explain, please. Furrfu Dec 2015 #110
Then how is it that he co-founded what is now the largest Democratic caucus in the Congress? Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #105
pride goeth before the fall..... restorefreedom Dec 2015 #55
I don't think she will be the nominee Marrah_G Dec 2015 #58
Will you put money on that? Stuckinthebush Dec 2015 #115
That would be silly Marrah_G Dec 2015 #125
For some... maggies farm Dec 2015 #60
Yup Android3.14 Dec 2015 #95
To the many red-faced keyboard warriors on DU who will jump all over this in a tantrum... PSPS Dec 2015 #61
LOL Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2015 #66
Surprising how bkkyosemite Dec 2015 #78
Is it hubris for the dem nominee to ask for dem support? gwheezie Dec 2015 #79
I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President if she is the Democratic Party nominee. Volaris Dec 2015 #93
It's not hubris to ask but Rebkeh Dec 2015 #129
Nice cordial invite? "Vote for me or the GOP will come for you"? Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #81
sheer tone deaf egotism so the DNC will let us back in azurnoir Dec 2015 #82
Hey Hillary, your people must be shielding you from these types of articles. truthisfreedom Dec 2015 #83
dancing with the stars level choreography mhatrw Dec 2015 #85
Thank you, rivers! Cha Dec 2015 #87
Bookmarking davidpdx Dec 2015 #89
I recall hearing pretty much the same thing back in '08... AngryOldDem Dec 2015 #90
Nice cordial invite. Love her confidence? SmittynMo Dec 2015 #92
Hillary's explanation of why Bernie's supporters should support her .... Scuba Dec 2015 #94
That's about it . . . and there's truth to it. Vinca Dec 2015 #99
Wow. billhicks76 Dec 2015 #101
If Mrs. Clinton wins the primary Bernie Sanders will back and vote for her too. Sunlei Dec 2015 #102
That's going to be an interesting day here on DU. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #109
Absolutely he will Stuckinthebush Dec 2015 #116
Hillary, when the nomination is wrapped up I will join you and your supporters..... Gary 50 Dec 2015 #104
note to the inevitable conditionally poutraged whatthehey Dec 2015 #108
Not all primary candidates use non-conditional assumptive statements to lecture supporters of DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #126
No, but because it's an ex post facto rationalized distinction without a difference whatthehey Dec 2015 #131
That's a little counting the eggs before they hatch, isn't it? -nt CrispyQ Dec 2015 #113
mighting big ego you got there hillary. Javaman Dec 2015 #114
She should have said that those in opposing camps will be able to Township75 Dec 2015 #117
When she loses Iowa and NH please join Bernie 4dsc Dec 2015 #121
Bernie to the end! vishnura Dec 2015 #123
Oh, yes, Inevitable Hillary. SheilaT Dec 2015 #127
Funnily enough, Rebkeh Dec 2015 #128
Hillary does not get to tell me any damned thing. n/t djean111 Dec 2015 #130

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
67. god, this fries my ass. the presumption is stunning. But I guess when you
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:47 AM
Dec 2015

have the fix in, you don't have to worry about things.

Alerted upon in three, two ...

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
124. me too
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:19 AM
Dec 2015

the presumptiousness and arrogance is what is going to keep some Sanders' folks from voting for her IF she wins. "Join me because there is no other choice" - that's what it sounds like to me and I don't play that game anymore.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
103. I spoke with a young guy at work. I was surprised now pro-Bernie he is.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:48 AM
Dec 2015

He's not a particularly political person but he sees through the Republican BS. I was surprised by his opinion about Hillary. He said Hillary represents the entrenched political establishment and that she lies. He said he thought Bernie would do a better job of dealing with climate change-something he sees as happening and that is non-debatable.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
18. Newsflash for you, Bernie and Hillary both need the others supporters to win against the Republicans
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:28 PM
Dec 2015

and if the Hillary supporters or the Bernie supporters behave in a childish and irresponsible manner and dont show up to vote because their preferred candidate doesnt win the nomination we will all lose because it will literally hand the win to the Republicans.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
119. I agree. What you say is very true. Anyone who can do a little arithmetic can see that. But
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:10 PM
Dec 2015

there are more than a few who prefer to let their emotions overrule their common sense. I
read that as many as 14% of Democrats feel that way! This is Democratic suicide! This is
self-destruct!!!

okasha

(11,573 posts)
122. That 14% has no common sense.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 05:41 PM
Dec 2015

And a fair proportion of them are ratfuckers who have no intention of voting for any Democratic candidate.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. When Clinton loses the primary Riversedge, i'm counting on you to not join her independent bid.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:55 PM
Dec 2015

Can you pinky-swear that you will not?

riversedge

(69,713 posts)
7. Hillary is a proud Democrat. I believe she has proved that in the
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:03 PM
Dec 2015

past. She would not ever have an Independent run.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. So was Joe Lieberman, right up until he wasn't.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:15 PM
Dec 2015

Look, it's simple enough.

Sanders has promised he will not run as an independnet. clinton has not.
In 2008, Clinton supporters proved themselves far more loyal to candidate than party, to the point clinton herself had to reign them in.
Since 2014, conservative DU'ers have been demanding that progressives swear blood-oaths of party loyalty no matter what.

So I think it's only fair to ask if you'll stay on the ship even if clinton jumps. You can tell me it's a long shot, and that's fair, all I want is to know that you're on board with us even if you're wrong about that.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
20. It's a speculative argument
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility. if Clinton loses the nomination ,and if she runs as independent, I would like to know her supporters are sticking with the Democratic party nominee. After all, it's been asked of me often enough, I figure it's only fair to reciprocate.

A straw man is a wholly different thing from speculation. Like, if I had taken Riversedge's deflection as a declaration that she would join Clinton in an independent run. That would be a straw man.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
72. Nah. It's another one of Scootaloo's strawman arguments. Scootaloo is one of the more
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:53 AM
Dec 2015

intelligent DU posters here (his/her support for Sanders aside) and s/he knows Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic Party nomination.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
84. Don't compare HRC to Jomentum
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:22 AM
Dec 2015

Joe-dious is a disgrace. HRC is a status-quo politician. If HRC had been the VP candidate in 2000 she would have kicked Al in the nuts if he didn't fight.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
63. "She would not ever have an Independent run."
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:32 AM
Dec 2015

So basically do as you're told, follow the ceremonies, no independent thinking, cause that's what it sounds like to me.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
64. I can and will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, but I cannot and will not vote for Hillary
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:33 AM
Dec 2015

under any circumstances. I do not want her presidency on my conscience.

She is not qualified to be president. She has very poor judgment.

Have you watched Amy Goodman's interview with Seymour Hersh on the ISIS situation.

We were giving arms to the "moderates" in Syria and Hersh says they ended up with ISIS.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
112. Bingo.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

Hillary is unacceptable. Period. End of story.

Fortunately, my state's a lock for whoever the Democrat nominee is. I can, if I so choose, skip the presidential vote on my ballot with a clear conscience (wouldn't be the first time...). While I think the Electoral College is a ludicrous, anti-democratic anachronism, the fact that I live in a "winner take all" state affords a bit of freedom.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
68. If she can't win the Dem primary, she'll have no shot in the General Election and won't run.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:50 AM
Dec 2015

She's a pragmatist, she's not into nailing jello to a tree.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
86. The only person she can make lose is the Dem Candidate.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:45 AM
Dec 2015

She'd still be a power player in the party, but if she runs as an Independent, that all goes away. Like I said, she's a pragmatist and there's no way she'd screw her own party just for revenge. Even those people who don't like Clinton because they think her only core principle is "What's best for me?" would have to admit there's not enough in it for her just to play spoiler.

FloridaBlues

(3,992 posts)
107. One of his tv appearances he said yes I writing my acceptance speech
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:49 AM
Dec 2015

He alittle ahead of himself too
Both candidates need all of us as I suspect they will in the long run

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
120. i didn't hear that
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

it is a fine line between positivity and arrogance. and i am sure arrogance is in the eye of the beholder.

generally, i like primary candidates to stick to the primary race until its over

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
6. How about "If I honestly earn this nomination from the voters, won't you join me?"
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

Lol "wrapped up" ? Talk about a "Let's get this shit over with" kind of comment. lol

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
10. My exact thoughts. "Honestly earn" being the key phrase. "After I manipulate, cheat, bludgeon,
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:04 PM
Dec 2015

and smear my way to the nomination I hope you won't think less of me."

Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Response to Scootaloo (Reply #26)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
39. It had the Google stumped for a sec. From the urban dictionary
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

Top Definition
Wrop
A cooler, more gangsta way of saying "stop"
Girl: Wrop it!
Guy: I have wropped!
I swear!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wrop&defid=5243572

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
80. So what are you going to do when she gives her scream speech
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:16 AM
Dec 2015

louder than Howard Dean's.
As the corporate media looks on in total shock,Bernie Sanders walks away with the Prize.










Go Bernie !!!!

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
59. That would have been a nice way
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:18 AM
Dec 2015

To put it but she couldn't do that. Had she not answered with hubristic confidence the headlines tomorrow would have read something like "HRC not sure she can win" or "Sanders campaign has HRC lacking confidence to win" or some such other nonsense. This way she just looks arogant and it's a dead issue as opposed to the numerous questions if she did not answer that way.

Kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. One thing for sure, we will not win if a republican is elected. This is where we can vote for
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:03 PM
Dec 2015

our best interest or we can vote against our best interest, deciding not to vote is against ourselves. It is about having unity and electing Democrats on every level to get the team in office which can help working Americans.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
16. The lesser of two evils is still evil
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:21 PM
Dec 2015

A vote for HRC is a vote for war, a vote for Wall Street, a vote for the TPP, a vote for the surveillance state, a vote against bank regulation and/or financial reform.

I will vote for down-ballot candidates and skip the presidential.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
43. Funny, a none vote is good for the republican party, they are doing everything possible to
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:22 AM
Dec 2015

keep us from voting as it is.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
69. they can't convince the rest of their party to vote for them.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:50 AM
Dec 2015

HRC is making a big portion of the electorate pissed with her arrogant presumption. She is about as good at politics as I am at toe dancing.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
106. If HRC loses to either of those two idiots
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:21 AM
Dec 2015

it is a reflection on her as a candidate, not me as a voter.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
31. Because PalinRomneyTrump!
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:57 PM
Dec 2015

“If a voter has a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, he'll vote for the Republican every time."

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
91. And you assume HRC has our best interests at heart.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:20 AM
Dec 2015

I'm really not so sure about that.

I'm not voting blindly anymore.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
96. I don't assume, I have looked at her record, i have looked at her experience,
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:15 AM
Dec 2015

I have watched her interaction with people, I have looked how she responds to people's concerns, I do not make my decision blindly.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
12. What a horrible photo of Mrs. Clinton.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:09 PM
Dec 2015

And ... her words are arrogant and betray the sense of entitlement she has for the Democratic Party nomination for President.

How about a bit of respect for the small 'd' democratic process?

A little full of herself, maybe?



CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
17. She reminds me of Miranda Priestly
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:23 PM
Dec 2015

from The Devil Wears Prada.

I'm surprised that Clinton didn't say her demeaning little line, wave away the crowd and say, "That's all."

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. Such hubris
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:19 PM
Dec 2015

and we've still got six weeks before the first state primary. And in that first state primary, she's dealing with a single digit lead. She used to have a 59.2 percent lead in Iowa.

Clinton isn't trying to win us over. She's trying to denigrate Sanders, his supporters and his entire campaign--by lecturing us about the importance of eventually voting for her.

Dismissing and belittling the supporters of a formidable and worthy opponent doesn't exactly win friends and influence people.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
71. yeah. she's just like my little hispanic grandma.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:52 AM
Dec 2015
She is a pretty nervy lady. Must be that sniper fire in Bosnia.

Alert on three, two ...

Response to riversedge (Original post)

yuiyoshida

(41,759 posts)
37. and the results are in
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:09 AM
Dec 2015

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highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
38. I think I just threw up in my mouth.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015

This race isn't over, and if DWS and DNC and Hillary would quit planning for her coronation and really work to make sure the rest of us think the game isn't rigged and our candidates are being given a fair chance, then she could be assured everyone would join her IF she wins the nomination.

Failing that, don't count on it.

One thing people don't take into account is just how far down people feel after decades of being pounded down by Democratic and Republican policies a lot. They may not feel "they have much to lose". OK, OK, OK, I can just feel your brain explode, saying something like "Supreme Court, Supreme Court, Supreme Court". Yeah, but people often vote and act and do everything with their emotions, and frankly, that's something I actually really like about people.

So, how about, since you're riding high in the polls and doing well in the debates and so on, how about giving all those people complaining the benefit of the doubt and do something close to what they're asking for for a change?

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
44. Nicely stated, hpw.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

Never mind the race not being over, the FIRST primary vote has not yet been cast. Hillary is way (WAY) ahead of herself here.

-app

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
74. I don't understand her lately. An email asking for a single buck because
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:55 AM
Dec 2015

'we might lose' and how this. Odd, stupid and odd.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
88. Her campaign made a lot of them in 2008
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 05:32 AM
Dec 2015

We'll have to see what effect it has. Some on DU would like to believe she is perfect, but she isn't. She is a flawed politician.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
45. Just A Bit Cocky To Be Sure
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:31 AM
Dec 2015

If it is Hillary and whatever stooge the republicans trot out....Jill Stein of the Green Party would be so much closer to my beliefs than HRC.

It just keeps getting harder to vote for not nearly good enough to thwart truly evil.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
46. Oh to be so entitled. Let's just skip the damn election and go right to the coronation.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:39 AM
Dec 2015

One of her biggest flaws is she thinks she is owed the job.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
57. Given what happened to her in 08
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:11 AM
Dec 2015

I'm kind of shocked that she wouldn't display just a tad bit of humility.

I mean, we've heard the whole, "Hello...its me. I'm inevitable" schtick in 2008, and that turned out to be a bust.

Does she not realize that speaking as if she's inevitable *again* makes her appear foolish?

thesquanderer

(11,953 posts)
47. Presumptuous much? Apparently she didn't get the memo...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:46 AM
Dec 2015

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...that one of the perceptions she's trying to avoid is that she feels like her nomination is inevitable.

If she was trying to ingratiate herself to Sanders supporters, well, I have a feeling she did the opposite. Heck, she comes off so badly here, I'm surprised it wasn't posted in the Sanders group!

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
49. Why wouldn't a Hillary Bernie ticket be the big sell? American politics has become so do or die
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:53 AM
Dec 2015

If it ain't my candidate then burn the crops and kill the livestock

Really Hil and Bern would kill the GOP for a decade

enid602

(8,524 posts)
65. bern
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:33 AM
Dec 2015

He doesn't work well with others. He uses Denmark as an example of his kind of socialism, which is ironic, as they are a parliamentary democracy with eight political parties, and bipartisanship (multipartisanship?) is key to governing such a country. Bernie traditionally has had no party, and has never had a need for compromise or leadership.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
76. he works well with others. no one has passed as many amendments as he has
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:59 AM
Dec 2015

and if you're trying to tout your queen here, you have failed. You might post just how he has nothing in his background to show for his fifty years of diligent effort. He didn't get where he was because of a celebrated spouse. Her starting point was bill's election. We would not be talking about or even know her without bill. That is incontrovertible.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
105. Then how is it that he co-founded what is now the largest Democratic caucus in the Congress?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:17 AM
Dec 2015

He co-founded it, was elected as the first Chairperson of that caucus and remains today among that caucus as the only Senatorial member. How does a person organize such a thing if they don't work well with others? For that matter, how does a person run successful Congressional runs every two years if they don't work well with others? How could a person who does not work well with others keep getting so much support from others? Why did those others promote him to the Senate?

Such a vapid bit of nonsense you have posted.

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
115. Will you put money on that?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:25 PM
Dec 2015

The math isn't with Sanders. It's a long shot. Are you willing to put good money on the outcome?

Most seasoned gamblers would say, "hell, no".

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
125. That would be silly
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:27 AM
Dec 2015

Everyone has opinions. You have yours, I have mine. We don't even know for sure who will still be in the race by primary time.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
60. For some...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:26 AM
Dec 2015

it kinda sucks that Elizabeth Warren will be the first woman president. Not me I am very excited.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
95. Yup
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:00 AM
Dec 2015

Of course, we might have to go through 4-8 years of GOP hell if Hillary wins the primary and then loses the general. the smart vote goes to Bernie Sanders in the primary.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
78. Surprising how
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:03 AM
Dec 2015

sure she is of herself.

excerpt from above:

""I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the Republicans," she added."

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
79. Is it hubris for the dem nominee to ask for dem support?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:05 AM
Dec 2015

I wouldn't have a problem if Bernie said it. This isn't a road show of don Quixote any of the 3 will have to ask for the others to support them.

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
93. I will vote for Hillary Clinton for President if she is the Democratic Party nominee.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:43 AM
Dec 2015

She's not the nominee YET.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
129. It's not hubris to ask but
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:51 AM
Dec 2015

she isn't asking, she's expecting. If she wants our support, she should earn it instead of offering a no-win scenario with, "Well, I'm better than that guy."

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
81. Nice cordial invite? "Vote for me or the GOP will come for you"?
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:49 AM
Dec 2015

I will never trust Debbie's gal-pal. Because Debbie already makes me feel like the GOP is coming for me.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
82. sheer tone deaf egotism so the DNC will let us back in
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:57 AM
Dec 2015

not the sort of stuff I'd expect from a Democratic politician at this point in the game

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
90. I recall hearing pretty much the same thing back in '08...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:18 AM
Dec 2015

...when she thought she would wipe the floor with Obama in the primaries.

One does not count one's chickens before they hatch.

NOT the way to win votes or influence voters, IMO.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
94. Hillary's explanation of why Bernie's supporters should support her ....
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:55 AM
Dec 2015

"Who else you gonna vote for, suckers?"

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
99. That's about it . . . and there's truth to it.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:52 AM
Dec 2015

I'll have to hold my nose and pull the lever if it's between her and Trump. It would be in her favor to be a bit more humble about it all.

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
116. Absolutely he will
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:27 PM
Dec 2015

He will come out and support her with word and deed. He will stump for her. Why? Because Sanders isn't a fool.

And, yes, DU will explode the day he does that. It'll be interesting to watch.

Gary 50

(381 posts)
104. Hillary, when the nomination is wrapped up I will join you and your supporters.....
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

in wishing Bernie a successful presidency.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
108. note to the inevitable conditionally poutraged
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:06 AM
Dec 2015
I have a plan to change this. I introduced a bill in the Senate -- and when I am president, I will work to make it law -- that will stop the soaring costs of prescription drug prices. My plan includes:

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/lower_rx_costs


ALL primary candidates use non-conditional assumptive statements about winning. Rhetoric 101.
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
126. Not all primary candidates use non-conditional assumptive statements to lecture supporters of
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:38 AM
Dec 2015

...another candidate. See the difference?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
131. No, but because it's an ex post facto rationalized distinction without a difference
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

An HRC partisan could just as easily say "not all primary candidates use assumptive statements that they will win not one but two elections". All people running for president must assume they can win, in public at least, and in the primary stage that by definition means with the support of all primary candidates' fans.



Javaman

(62,439 posts)
114. mighting big ego you got there hillary.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:51 PM
Dec 2015

let's just wait and see shall we?

another reason I don't like her.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
117. She should have said that those in opposing camps will be able to
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:56 PM
Dec 2015

Lay down their swords, bend their knees, and take their oaths before the March to fight the final battle Against the great evil army.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
128. Funnily enough,
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:25 AM
Dec 2015

it should be the other way around. She works for us, remember? Her job is to join us. Give us a reason and then we can talk.

Silly me, I thought this was a representative democracy.

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