Dramatic Photos Capture Moment Gunman Allegedly Tried to 'Execute' Philadelphia Police Officer

[Elmergantry]

Source: abc new

Chilling images show the moment a gunman approached a Philadelphia police officer in his police car and allegedly fired 13 shots at him -- an act that the city's police commissioner called an execution attempt.

Officials say the suspect fired 13 shots at Officer Jesse Hartnett while he was in his police vehicle, according to ABC's Philadelphia station WPVI.

Hartnett, a five-year veteran, returned fire and hit the suspect three times, WPVI reported. The suspect was apprehended.

Police are investigating to determine whether the suspect had been radicalized, officials told ABC News.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/dramatic-photos-capture-moment-gunman-allegedly-execute-philadelphia/story?id=36162427

[MynameisBlarney]

1. "Police are investigating to determine whether the suspect had been radicalized"

Radicalized?

By who?

[graegoyle]

2. Radicalized by the police and judicial system.

[MynameisBlarney]

3. HA!

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

[NYCButterfinger]

4. They said he was radicalized by ISIS

That is what the police officers are saying right now.

[MynameisBlarney]

5. I'm sure they are.

And hell...for all I know, they may be right.
But I just don't trust a damn thing cops say when it's in regard to a police shooting. Or anything else for that matter.

[dgibby]

7. News conference now on CNN.

Video of shooting shows subject firing into the police car-13 shots. Officer returned fire, both suspect and officer survived.

[randys1]

28. And that is the problem. Forever Black people and Latino's have known they cant

possibly trust the police, ever.

Now even white folks are coming to that conclusion, slowly but surely.

And it doesn't have to be this way, if the good, non lying cops would cross that blue line in droves, reporting on the bad ones, I would support them in a very big way.

[MynameisBlarney]

30. Agreed.

100%

[840high]

33. ....

Commissioner Ross says the suspect has given a full confession, saying he did it in the name of Islam.

“According to him, police bend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the Quran.”

[MynameisBlarney]

34. I hold police commissioners in the same regard as I hold for most cops

As in I can trust exactly as far as I can throw them.

If it turns out that the cops are actually telling the truth in this case. Good for them.

Next they can start working on their "murdering innocent POC" problem.

[Atman]

12. Thomas Roberts says he never heard any mentions of the word ISIS.

I heard that part of the press conference. They said he confessed to doing it in the name of ISLAM. Not ISIS. Now the Chyron is saying ISIS, but Roberts pointed out that no one ever said ISIS.

No name. ISIS/ISLAM. Hmmmm. Frame the narrative.

[geek tragedy]

16. are you familiar with the phrase "a distinction without a difference?" nt

[Atman]

22. Wait, WHAT? "Islam" = ISIS?

I'm sure many millions of Muslims will be surprised to hear this.

[geek tragedy]

25. we're talking about someone who decided to commit murder citing Islam nt

[Atman]

29. Again, how does that make it "ISIS"

[randys1]

31. No kidding, wow. I think the person you are talking to here needs an education about Muslims

[geek tragedy]

37. I do?

Please tell me the grand difference between:

1) "I'm killing infidels in the name of Islam;" and
2) "I'm killing infidels in the name of the Islamic State in the Levant"

It's stochastic violence driven by religious fervor, in this case Islamism, in either case. In either case it involves a person becoming radicalized by religion to the point they go out and commit a random act of attempted murder.

[FarrenH]

68. What you're saying is

The motive is similar. Not that they're the same. ISIS is a specific organization with a specific ideology. Doing something in the name of ISIS can conceivably imply very different things to doing something in the name of Islam. Someone might claim killing particular targets is justified because those targets violate particular aspects of the killer's religious moral code, without supporting all of things in ISIS ideology used to justify killing.

It feels like you did some vague hand-waving without thinking and are just defending it reflexively now.

[geek tragedy]

71. No, the point is that Daesh inspires stochastic acts of terrorism

rather than relying upon any kind of control and communication protocols.

At the end of the day, I'm not seeing how the implications would be different.

[Igel]

72. One point overlooked here is that the police are actually exempting Islam per se.

If the guy says "Islam," that's a far broader brush than just "ISIS."

It narrows the range of motives and fellow-travelers that the police the public to put into this guy's category.

"He did it for Islam, which is what my neighbor believes" carries a greater risk of over-generalization than "He did it for ISIS. My neighbor may be a conservative Muslim, but he thinks ISIS is a bunch of crazies."

[bluedigger]

6. Did you look at the photos?

I wouldn't accuse them of leaping to conclusions based on the facts at hand. We'll have to see if they bear out or not.

[MynameisBlarney]

8. It's just that the cops lie so damn much

and go through great lengths to cover up their crimes...
It's just difficult to believe them about anything.

[bluedigger]

10. I suppose the cop could have initiated and opened fire first, but it seems unlikely.

It's not like they waited a year to release the photos here. I'm just going to believe my lying eyes and think it was an aggressive and opportunistic attack on an officer trapped in traffic. Motive unknown.

[greyl]

69. Evidence matters most,

look for it first.

[yurbud]

36. isn't shooting at a cop 13 times radical enough? Are we supposed to breathe a sigh of relief if he

just did it on his own or be more "terrified" if he did it with the prompting of others?

[Atman]

9. WTF? Cops claiming they have a "confession" that the suspect did the shooting in the name of Islam.

How conveeeeenient. And a hero cop took him down. He is a PA resident. They aren't releasing the suspect's name -- probably because it's Steve Smith or something not-very-Muslim sounding.

I know it's early on, but I'm smelling a rat.

[geek tragedy]

11. Look at the video. nt

[Atman]

13. I see the video. It is running in a continuous loop.

The only part of the video that says "ISIS" or Islam are the words running on the Chyron. In the press conference they said Islam, not ISIS.

[geek tragedy]

15. it's pretty clear that the guy went off the deep end and became a homicidal maniac

for one reason or another

[philosslayer]

19. Does the video indicate that the shooter was influenced by ISIS?

I think not. The story the police have concocted that the shooter was influenced by ISIS is just way too convinced. Or perhaps he was influenced by brutal police behavior?

[geek tragedy]

21. your "cartoon lefty" trolling routine has gotten really stale nt

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[alcibiades_mystery]

39. It's very one note and unoriginal, I agree

Ah well.

[geek tragedy]

40. some people's idea of clever ... nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Late 90's Internet staple

It's sad, really.

[philosslayer]

54. The shooters mother said he had been hearing voices

Look, the guy was obviously mentally ill. Of course, since he's a Muslim the police immediately jumped on the ISIS angle. He probably would have admitted having been influenced by the Easter Bunny if the police had pursued that line of questioning.

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. We get it, we get it

You have utter contempt for people on the Left. They're so silly. We get it already.

[Atman]

63. I guess I don't get it.

"Of course, since he's a Muslim the police immediately jumped on the ISIS angle."

I don't understand how this shows contempt for the left. It's exactly what I thought. The police got a Muslim who committed a crime and immediately we've jumped to ISIS.

I've never heard of philosslayer or recall reading any of his/her posts, but I fail to see how you can label his post and demonstrating contempt for the left.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. philoslayer pretends to take Leftist positions, but takes the most absurd version

In order to make it look ridiculous.

He does so especially on the question of Islamic radicalism, although he will do so on economics from time to time as well, and pretty much always plays this game when it comes to issues regarding race, especially African American issues. One wonders whether he actually holds any progressive positions at all.

Ultimately, it's a kind of silly and juvenile pose that geek-tragedy correctly labels "cartoon left," a caricature that surely amuses him, but has no particular value otherwise. The fact that he always involves his cartoon persona on African American issues is troubling indeed. Essentially, you have to interpret him as saying the opposite of the caricature pose. When you do that on the AA issues, it paints a pretty ugly picture, unfortunately.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

58. What is the political motive of the Philly police to say it's ISIS?

Why not just claim it's a member of BLM?

[Demit]

18. His name is Edward Archer. His mother says he's a devout Muslim.

Not at all unusual in Philadelphia.

"...Reached at her home in Lansdowne, his mother, Valerie Holliday, said Archer was the eldest of seven children and suffered head injuries from playing football and a moped accident.

"He's been acting kind of strange lately. He's been talking to himself . . . laughing and mumbling," Holliday said. "He's been hearing voices in his head. We asked him to get medical help."

She said her son is devout Muslim who has practiced the faith "for a long time."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160109_Officer_ambushed__wounded_in_West_Philly_shooting.html#DFQGGPQogb977543.99

[Atman]

32. MSNBC are saying police are giving no names, so they can't do any research.

Which is it? Have they released a name or not? If we know on DU, and it's on Philly.com, how can a major news broadcast say there are no names released?

[Demit]

61. Reporters from the city are closer to what's going on.

They're closer to their sources. They live here. The "major news broadcast" people don't.

That's why.

[Atman]

62. I would think a so-called news channel has people monitoring such things.

But what do I know. Why would you have someone monitoring all of the local Philly stations and web sites while you're broadcasting so-called breaking news? I guess I'm just naive.

[Demit]

64. They swoop in thinking they're shit hot but

they don't have the contacts that the locals do. Local reporters cultivate relationships with people in the city & are always going to get the story first. Always trust the locals for the story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. In case you're not aware, there really are Islamic extremists who are trying to kill us

It's not a fairy tale. They're quite real.

[Atman]

42. You apparently didn't see the press conference.

Police Chief specifically said that this was not a case here. Archer said he did it "in the name of Islam," but that it all. He is not part of any group or taking orders from anyone. FBI had never heard of him. He was a local boy who was apparently a bit nuts, according to his mother.

[christx30]

48. I'm inclined to agree with you.

Looks like he had some problems, latched onto something that's been in the news a bunch lately, and acted. He might as well hit the cop with a lightsaber and said he was a Jedi.

[7962]

50. Muslim sounding or not, he's an African American Muslim

Edward Archer. Not too far off from your suggested name actually.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

14. Edward Archer: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know (the suspect)

1. Archer Is Accused of Firing 13 Bullets at Officer Jesse Hartnett
2. Archer’s Mother Says Her Son Has Been ‘Hearing Voices in His Head’
3. Archer Was Wounded 3 Times in the Attack
4. Hartnett Is a Coast Guard Veteran
5. Philly’s Police Commissioner Called the Shooting ‘Absolutely Evil’

More details: Edward Archer: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

6 Action News Report

[philosslayer]

49. He sounds mentally ill to me

[Recursion]

73. Most terrorists are (nt)

[Angel Martin]

17. blame the police for being attacked by an attempted murderer...

but I can't understand why liberals are seen as anti-police ?

[MynameisBlarney]

20. What a steaming pile of horse shit.

The fascist pigs are CONSTANTLY murdering POC simply for being POC. And then they cover it up. Often with their superiors and union reps that are all too eager to help.

So, maybe we got this one wrong. Sue us.

So, kindly take your concern trolling elsewhere.

No one here is buying what you're selling.

[MynameisBlarney]

23. And FURTHERMORE

Being against police being able to murder indiscriminately and with immunity doe NOT mean anti-police.

I would suggest that you learn the difference.
But I well aware such subtleties are just out of reach for you lizard brained folk with your Authoritarian mindsets.

[Atman]

24. Who blamed the police for being attacked?

[christx30]

26. First two comments under the OP. n/t

[MynameisBlarney]

43. So, basically

You're implying that cops in this nation have done nothing at all that might make someone or a group of people wish to harm them?

[christx30]

45. I'm sure there are people angry at police,

and with good reason. But the murder of a random cop isn't an acceptable reason. Unless that cop is actively trying to kill you, there is no justification whatsoever to attack him or her.
It's no different than if someone committed a hate crime against a random Muslim, in retaliation for San Bernardino, Paris, Germany, ect.
More work needs to be done to hold murderer cops accountable for their crimes. That's pretty obvious. But this kind of activity isn't going to help. If anything, it's going to make cops more likely to pull their weapons if someone gets close to them.

[MynameisBlarney]

46. Ok, I hear ya.

And I agree.

[7962]

51. Unless you can show me where THAT cop did anything, no.

That makes as much sense as someone killing a black man because some other black man killed a relative.
On the other hand, I wouldnt lose much sleep over the cop that strangled Eric Garner to death getting a little beatdown.
But to attack ONE cop because of the acts of others makes no sense and just hurts the efforts to reform

[Odin2005]

56. Being anti-police is a good thing.

The pigs in blue are the enforcers of the Capitalist state.

[Demit]

66. No, it really isn't.

How old are you anyway?

[Atman]

27. So, we supposedly have an ISIS attack on a cop in Philly, but...

...on MSNBC, they're doing a much more in-depth report on the capture of El Chapo, complete with charts and graphs and video.

Hmm. Kind of adds to the stench to me. The only pic released of the "ISIS" shooter, Ali Edward al Archer, er, uh...Edward Archer (this information is from this thread ONLY, the police have not given the shooter's name) is an extreme close up, cropped so tight as to show only his face and a small bit of his hairline. I guess that will make it easier to Photoshop in appropriate head dress and background later.

He has been a long-time Muslim, according to his mother. Sorry, I guess I've grown a little cynical, but it just appears as if they're taking some time to get the official story straight. Oh, and why is the cop stopped in a crosswalk, at a green line, at the opposite side of an intersection?

Things that make you go "hmmmm."

[geek tragedy]

35. you're working awfully hard to come up with a crazy talk angle on this nt

[7962]

52. These days a photoshop gets caught instantly. You'll have to do better

Maybe you also frequently visit "9/11 for truth" websites too?
Its all on film to see. But I guess THAT could be faked as well............

[Atman]

55. What is "all on film?"

The film shows an event, from far away. So what? How is it remotely comparable to someone being a Truther? I'm just saying that, when I typed my first posts, the police had a "confession" from a nameless man who said he did it "in the name of Islam." Then it was "ISIS." You'd think that an ISIS terror attack on a U.S. cop would be much bigger news than El Guapo being caught in Mexico. Then they say perhaps he was just a very naughty boy. The story was just unfolding in a rather strange way, right down to a super-tightly cropped photo of the unknown man whom they just happen to have a mugshot of. Hey, speculating on a developing story is almost a sport here on DU, where there will always be some people who take everything you say totally literally.

And "these days," and for many years now, my skill with Photoshop (I do it professionally) is such that I could convince you that your grandma rode a dinosaur.

[7962]

70. I'm sure your skills are excellent.

And someone who was as good as you would likely dissect your work and be able to tell. Not me, I've never even done a photoshop, although I do know others who do it for a living as part of their job. I guess the Iranians could've used you guys to help do theirs.
And you're certainly right about the sport of speculating on DU!! Although many times its done selectively too.

THIS case is one where I had no doubts. There was no delay from the cops releasing the video. Dont really care about a cropped picture since the guy admitted being a muslim. Wrapping his head in a scarf wouldnt make much of a difference there. Another terrorist attack.

[Blue_Tires]

44. What the hell is he wearing? Is that a lab coat or a robe or something?

[grossproffit]

53. It's a throbe.

[Sunlei]

47. omg, that man went after the cop with a vengeance. Just luck the officer wasn't killed.

[rockfordfile]

59. What does that mean?

Nobody "brought this on themselves." should be shot at 13 times.

[Skittles]

74. it means they appove of vigilante justice

and that is VERY scary

[GGJohn]

65. This is DISGUSTING.

Seek help.