Police say 5 men raped woman inside Brooklyn park

[philosslayer]

Source: Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — The NYPD is looking for five men who raped a woman inside a park in Brooklyn.

The 18-year-old woman was accosted just after 9 p.m. Thursday as she was walking with her father inside Osborn Playground in Brownsville.

Police say five men approached the pair. They say one of the men pointed a gun at the father and told him to leave.

Police say each of the five men raped the woman. The father returned with two police officers but the attackers fled.

Read more: http://www.fox5ny.com/news/local-news/71968863-story

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Yet its the migrants and evil Muslims we're supposed to be afraid of. Why don't we discuss the AMERICAN rape culture before we start throwing rocks at everyone else.

[mwrguy]

1. How many were Muslim? Zero?

Not news. Carry on.

[yeoman6987]

3. Where do you see not Muslim?

I don't see that anywhere.

[melman]

5. Also

It seems that the AP and Fox5NY have decided it is news.

[6chars]

24. This story has photos from security footage of the suspects

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/teen-gang-raped-fiends-brooklyn-playground-article-1.2491087

You can't tell their religion from the photos.

[Yupster]

8. How about we wait for some evidence before

we rule any group in or out.

[Yavin4]

10. A group?

Other than the 5 assholes who did this, no other "group" was involved.

[Yupster]

15. We don't know who they are

It could be a gang initiation, or a Satanic cult for all we know. Let's wait until we know something.

[cheapdate]

2. How dare you deflect attention from MUSLIM RAPE GANGS!

Have you no shame? This is another irresponsible attempt from the left to ignore the real problem!

</sarcasm off>

[trillion]

19. You forgot your sarcasm tag. It's obvious it's sarcasm but some people here appear to have missed

it.

My opinion is they alerted the wrong post and should have done the twirling one.

[cheapdate]

21. It was surely meant sarcastically.

I've been over at Dicussionist arguing over this very topic. There is an entire string of OPs dedicated to this subject over there.

I've given it my best over there. Over here, not so much.

Sorry for the confusion. Edited my post to add sarcasm.

[romanic]

4. Keep twirling!

[IMG][/IMG]

[trillion]

18. So tell us your philosphy

Are you saying what she wears make her to blame for getting rapped?

Are you saying how she acts makes her to blame for getting rapped?

Are you saying because she wasn't paying attention make her to blame for getting raped?

What exactly are you saying?

[Denzil_DC]

6. Jury results:

On Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:43 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Police say 5 men raped woman inside Brooklyn park
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141309249

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Philoslayer is a rightwing troll who posts what he believes to be cartoon lefty positions in order to jerk chains. This post is CLASSIC trolling--and he's using a woman's rape to do it.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:56 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If anyone's trying to exploit a rape here, I think it's the alerter. Rape is a problem in every society. Deal with it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alert abuse
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[melman]

12. The alerter is correct

but as the results show, there are many people here that actually are that 'cartoony'.

[LiberalElite]

25. Two questions

1. Why was this OP alerted on?
2. What does "cartoony" mean?

[melman]

35. Read the alert

That should answer both questions.

[LiberalElite]

41. OK nt

[geek tragedy]

39. The alert speaks for itself. Pay attention to the person

responsible for the OP and you'll see a pattern.

[LiberalElite]

40. Ok I

often don't pay attention to whose OP it is.

[trillion]

17. What post is this alerting? The obviously sarcastic one?

[Denzil_DC]

29. Whenever someone posts the full jury result notification,

the link at the top leads to the post that was alerted upon. In this case, it was the OP:

On Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:43 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Police say 5 men raped woman inside Brooklyn park
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141309249

[Starry Messenger]

72. Yup yup.

[cabot]

7. Intelligent people can be offended by both sexual assaults

The fact that a woman was raped in the US doesn't negate the fact that dozens of women were sexually assaulted in Europe on NYE.

[840high]

14. Thank you for sanity.

[JudyM]

33. Right on. This does nothing to discredit the grotesqueness of the other. Nt

[pettypace]

9. They were black men

per the NY Times article

[Yavin4]

11. Why implicate an entire race or gender for the act of these criminals?

These 5 assholes did this, not an entire race.

[trillion]

20. I think the point was to inform us of race since everyone was wondering and

now we get to be ready for a whole lot of racist backlash and black hate because of what 5 people did.

I wouldn't doubt Trump will incorporate this into his racism.

And, the racist GOP loves all the ammunition they can get. I wonder if they're going to arrest the wrong guys again like that incident back in the 1980's that the wrongly accused spent decades in prison for? Wonder if the cops are out forcing confessions now?

[LiberalElite]

26. How does mentioning the suspects are

black men implicate an entire race or gender? Five black male suspects is five black males, not millions of them.

[Yavin4]

42. No one mentioned Daniel Holtzclaw's race

when he raped women in Oklahoma.

[840high]

13. I can be outraged at both.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Racists have claimed they're protecting the virtue of white women for centuries....

Seems the media is hoping to recreate the Tulsa riot.

[XemaSab]

23. Who says the woman is white?

[LiberalElite]

32. FWIW I live in NYC and judging by the neighborhood

mentioned, Brownsville, I would assume the victim is black or Hispanic.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. The papers leave that to the imagination.

[madokie]

22. We definitely have enough evil

without placing blame on any Immigrants. Down home terrorist is what these old boys are, plus Rapist. Should get all of them life without a chance of parole.

Immigrants are the reason we are the great country we used to be. If we'd have joined hands with the Natives rather than genocide like we did we'd be a much better nation still.

[JI7]

27. Women in Germany DID/DO have to fear migrant rapists

If you were really concerned about rape by Americans you would have brought it up before and not just as a way to excuse sexual assault by others.

[FLPanhandle]

28. +1000

Some so called "liberals" will bend over backwards to excuse, spin, or deflect attention away from facts they would prefer to be buried.

Now he is in deflect attention away mode and will talk about this much more than the 100's of sexual assaults in Europe.

It's pathetic.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Exploitation of an issue is defined as using that issue to serve an agenda not related to the actual

issue. To make use of one rape as part of a narrative to minimize other rapes is an exploitation of all of the victims to serve an agenda that does nothing for the victims. The OP is exploitative of rape victims and it's disgusting as a tactic particularly out of a man.

[Coventina]

31. Agree totally. Anyone familiar with the poster knows that the issue of rape is not the real agenda.

[whathehell]

76. Thank you. n/t

[dkhbrit]

34. Shame on you all

A young woman is raped and all you want to do is use it for posturing around your agenda. Some of you people are disgusting human beings. Very sad.

[Hortensis]

44. Poor, poor girl. And her poor father.

[Liberal_in_LA]

54. Some online are trashing father for Leaving daughter

[LisaL]

55. A single older guy couldn't possibly fight with five young males and win.

[Liberal_in_LA]

56. They are saying they would die for daughter. Monday morning quarterbacks

[LisaL]

61. But what good would dying do?

If they are dead, they can't even go get help.

[Hortensis]

74. Of course her father did what he had to for her,

and now, afterward, she still has a father who is here for her.

A lot of conservatives and extremist types prefer to think with their bellies, as our esteemed conservative ex-president put it. Actually, scientists say gut reactors do use their brains like everyone else, but they literally process information through their emotional center first, and I'm guessing sometimes their second step of intellectual processing may be skipped past when it threatens to spoil a really satisfying emotional reaction. Why the crime itself couldn't provide sufficient enjoyable outrage, though, I can't guess.

[whathehell]

77. Especially when one pointed a gun at him. n/t

[DashOneBravo]

80. He could do more with a pistol.

[DashOneBravo]

79. +1

It's terrible.

[smirkymonkey]

78. Agreed, it's sickening.

[Nye Bevan]

36. Is it possible to condemn a horrible crime without trying to score clever political points?

Because that's what I would like to do.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. You missed.

[Odin2005]

43. I see you got the Islamophobic bigots all triggered.

[Daniel537]

45. No thanks. We can, and should, condemn both. n/t

[branford]

46. I'm not impressed by cheap attempts to use the terrible crime against this woman

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to deflect from the very real problems in Europe and elsewhere, particularly by fellow liberals who claim to care about women's issues.

More importantly, I hope the woman recovers and receives all necessary treatment and support, the police quickly apprehend the rapists, that they receive a fair and impartial trial, and if duly convicted, they are all sent to some deep and dark hole for the remainder of the natural lives, never again enjoying even the briefest moment of freedom or human kindness.

[Dont call me Shirley]

47. The real issue is rape, not color religion or gender. It is sexual assault and it is a crime. I feel

for the victims, the father and daughter.

[Liberal_in_LA]

48. Update. Two of the men turned themselves in. Store clerk didnt let father use phone. Feels bad about

[LisaL]

52. As well as he should. Feel bad, that is.

[Liberal_in_LA]

53. He said dad didnt tell him why he wanted to use phone

[rollin74]

59. turned in by their parents

good on the parents

an employee at the Deli where the surveillance footage was taken said that he recognized the suspects as young men who often stole from the store. They went there almost every day.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

49. Welcome to NYC where you can't conceal carry unless you're Donald Trump

Sick

[uppityperson]

57. Your take is not to express sympathy to the victim but to promote concealed carry?

Welcome to DU.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

60. Did you read the story? The father had to leave his daughter to be raped for fear of their lives!!!

As a New Yorker, I will not apologize for my anger towards a policy that was promulgated under 20 years of GOP leadership, whereby Donald Trump gets a concealed carry permit for God knows what reason while black and Hispanics are routinely stop and frisked for no reason.

Quite honestly, I think poor minorities are morally justified to carry illegally for their own protection when NYPD is more interested in protecting the rich in Manhattan with fast response times while they let the poor in Brooklyn and the Bronx be victimized with no sympathy.

[uppityperson]

63. Yes. I did. Which is why I noticed your response was lack of sympathy but promoting carrying guns.

And, I notice you still express no sympathy toward the girl. Just again use it to push an agenda.

Again. Will you do it a third time?

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

64. Are you serious?

[uppityperson]

65. Yes.

"oh, that poor girl and father, how terrible". None of that, just pushing the agenda that people should be able to carry guns.

Unless I missed any sort of sympathy or empathy, I didn't see any. If you'd be so good as to point out where you expressed such, I'd be happy to say I missed it.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

66. Rage and anger are normal responses to a heinous crime like this

Not that anyone has to justify their emotions to you.

[uppityperson]

67. Of course you don't have to justify your emotions. I was just pointing out that you seem

focused on the "people should be able to carry guns" agenda vs the people involved here. At least in what you have written here.

When I was raped, having people go "damn it, you should've been able to be carrying a gun" would've helped soooooooooooooo little where as "damn it, that really sucks for you" would've been much more welcome.

To be fair, this is a forum and not directly to the people involved, but being unable to express sympathy, empathy, sorrow for them, instead only anger that they couldn't carry a gun is interesting and noticeable by me.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

68. I'm very sorry to hear of your rape

I want to make one point clear. Not every rape has the M.O. Not every rape is perpetrated with a firearm. But this one was.

Living now on the Upper West Side, and prior in Hell's Kitchen where I lived in a doorman building, I know not every neighborhood, not every complex is equally as safe in the 5 boroughs of NYC.

I don't want to bash NYPD, because most officers are had working union guys trying to do a good job, but response times are not the same depending where in NYC you are.

Why does Donald Trump, who has 5 or 6 bodyguards even before Secret Service, get to have a concealed permit when most anybody else would not be able to get one, especially without a high powered attorney? It's not fair at all.

In terms of violent crime in NYC, would be assailants know in NYC no law abiding citizen is carrying a firearm. This makes all people easy targets to be victims.

I do believe in common sense gun laws - like universal background checks, gun registration, and gun licensing, but shall issue concealed carry does act as a deterrent against stranger sexual assault.

[uppityperson]

69. I hope the girl and her father get the help they need to recover from this and am glad the

teenagers who did this have been caught.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

71. Agreed

I hope the perpetrators are punished to the fullest extent of the law and stay in prison for a very long time, if not forever if that is permitted under law.

[LanternWaste]

75. As is pushing a political agenda on the back of a rape.

"Rage and anger are normal responses to a heinous crime like this..."

As is pushing a political agenda on the back of a rape. Not ethical in any real way, but certainly normal... and rationalized as such.

[davidn3600]

50. Merkel under pressure as Cologne violence cases rise to 516

516!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/violence-cases-516-cologne-police-172017235.html


Yeah....

Let's ignore that problem!

[branford]

51. And no formal charges have been laid against anyone!

Even though no formal charges have been laid, Cologne police have said those suspected over the New Year's rampage near the city's railway station were mostly asylum seekers and illegal migrants from North Africa.

This situation is very bad and only getting worse. I neither envy nor pity Merkel.


You should post a separate thread with this update in LBN.

[rollin74]

58. Update- Police have 4 suspects in custody

Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:46 AM - Edit history (2)

source: New York Times

Four teenagers suspected of taking turns raping an 18-year-old woman at gunpoint at a Brooklyn playground after ordering her father to leave her side were taken into custody on Sunday, the police said.

The brazen attack on Thursday night, which the police said was carried out by the four teenagers along with another young man who remains at large, set off waves of fear and uncertainty in the Brownsville neighborhood where it happened. Elected officials also questioned whether the police notified the public quickly enough after the attack, a suggestion that the Police Department strongly contested.

Two teenagers, ages 14 and 15, were turned in to police custody by their parents; the two others, ages 15 and 17, were apprehended by the authorities, the police said. Charges against them were pending.

read more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/nyregion/parents-said-to-turn-in-2-teenagers-suspected-in-brooklyn-rape.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region

[branford]

62. All the suspects are easily old enough to be charged as adults,

cannot possibly claim they didn't understand the nature or criminality of their actions, and I hope and expect the Brooklyn DA to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

[XemaSab]

70. 14's pretty damn young

I'm shocked at the young age of the suspects.

[branford]

73. Anyone familiar with the criminal justice system in major urban centers

sadly would not be that shocked at the age of the suspects. Criminality often starts very young, and many young adults in the system often have very extensive, and shockingly violent, juvenile records.

I certainly don't have enough information to opine on the individual circumstances of any of the boys in custody or still sought, but I certainly wouldn't want to be any of their attorneys arguing that a 14 or 15 year old did not (or could not) appreciate the criminality or severity of gang rape or anything remotely similar in an attempt to convince a judge to keep the suspects in juvenile court. Arguments about a rough home life or prior abuse will likely also be unavailing given the seriousness of the crime, wide media exposure, and the fact that even notable liberals like Mayor de Blasio have offered statements expressing horror.

Given the notoriety and horrific nature of the crime, I expect that the boys in custody are desperately trying to arrange a plea bargain where the may be eligible for parole before they turn 50 in exchange for testifying against the other rapists.

[DashOneBravo]

81. Good for those parents.