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hoosierlib

(710 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:41 AM Jan 2016

New Poll: Sanders Moves Ahead Of Clinton In Iowa

Source: Talking Points Memo

Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) has moved into the lead in Iowa over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to polling conducted by the American Research Group released Monday.

The polls showed Sanders’ support at 47 percent to Clinton’s 44 percent. Sanders held the same 47-44 lead over Clinton in a separate ARG poll of New Hampshire also released Monday.

In Iowa, where Clinton has mostly led in the polls, this is the first recent poll to place Sanders in the lead. This is the first ARG poll of the Iowa Democratic primary this cycle. Most polls taken throughout the fall have put him ahead in New Hampshire by a narrow margin. The last ARG poll of New Hampshire, Dec. 23, showed Clinton leading Sanders 46-43.

Nationwide polls give Clinton a comfortable lead, though closer now than in the summer when Sanders first surged. In Iowa and New Hampshire, however, Sanders has done better than nationally.

The Iowa poll surveyed 400 likely Democratic caucus-goers from January 6-10, with a margin of error of +/- 5%. Both were conducted using live telephone interviews. The New Hampshire ARG poll surveyed 600 likely Democratic voters from January 7-10, with a martin of error of +/- 4%.


Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/arg-january-dems-iowa-nh



The second set of recent polls (in addition to the recent NBC/Marist polls) that show momentum is moving in Sanders' favor...can you feel it?
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New Poll: Sanders Moves Ahead Of Clinton In Iowa (Original Post) hoosierlib Jan 2016 OP
It looks like Uponthegears Jan 2016 #1
While Hillary was shilling for money from the deep pockets, Senator Sanders sarge43 Jan 2016 #2
YES !!!! pangaia Jan 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Plucketeer Jan 2016 #31
YES + Plucketeer Jan 2016 #32
The endorsements backfire. earthside Jan 2016 #8
People who vote in a primary/caucus, take pride in the process Babel_17 Jan 2016 #22
+1 Agree. nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #26
Interesting juxtaposition. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #24
Could this be the beginning of the end of the HRC run for president? elmac Jan 2016 #4
Now the dirt will REALLY fly. pangaia Jan 2016 #5
What do they have though? A vote cast 10 years ago that has been explained INdemo Jan 2016 #9
I'm with you all the way. pangaia Jan 2016 #11
Aw Shoot! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #33
ARG was a pretty bad poll in 2012. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #6
Exactly INdemo Jan 2016 #12
I was polled by Quinnipiac last week CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #16
Well good INdemo Jan 2016 #17
YES!!! closeupready Jan 2016 #7
I imagine there will be a lot of interest in Sunday's debate. ucrdem Jan 2016 #10
Cna you just imagine how DWS is scrambling to try some INdemo Jan 2016 #18
Yep - it's pathetic and extremely frustrating...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #27
If our next glimpse of DWS Plucketeer Jan 2016 #36
Ha! Funny. jonno99 Jan 2016 #37
Leave it to Talking Points Memo... joeybee12 Jan 2016 #13
Yes! I feel the Bern! Thanks for the post, hoosierlib. Duval Jan 2016 #14
Look at this bit of data in this poll--very important CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #15
We always thought the Independents along with some Republicans would break for Sanders Samantha Jan 2016 #20
Bernie's cross-over appeal to Independents and Republicans CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #25
That is quite the effort you are putting in... thank you and keep up the good work. nt GummyBearz Jan 2016 #29
Thanks for this tidbit, CofeeCat! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2016 #21
Holy cow! Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #19
Yes, I can feel it: the Bern! Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #23
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #28
Bernie!! AzDar Jan 2016 #30
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #34
Looks like Hillary's going to be the one asking for more debates! raindaddy Jan 2016 #35
Already happened dorkzilla Jan 2016 #39
She just gets worse and worse... raindaddy Jan 2016 #46
sure thing, daddy-o dorkzilla Jan 2016 #51
ARG has a C-minus rating by 538 for its reliability. pnwmom Jan 2016 #38
You mean ejbr Jan 2016 #40
I mean ARG's results don't show a lead, there's still a tie -- pnwmom Jan 2016 #41
But if they shouldn't be taken seriously ejbr Jan 2016 #43
He could be doing better or worse. She could be doing better or worse. pnwmom Jan 2016 #44
But probably better ejbr Jan 2016 #45
Of course it shouldn't madokie Jan 2016 #47
538 gives it a C-minus overall, with dozens of pollsters scoring much higher. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #48
If I remember right madokie Jan 2016 #49
538 did far better than ARG. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #53
Hillary wins this time?!? Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #42
The coronation has been postponed until further notice! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #50
Great news Matthew28 Jan 2016 #54
ANY poll showing what AfAm will do as to Bernie vs Hillary, nationwide? Isnt randys1 Jan 2016 #52
 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
1. It looks like
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jan 2016

that while Hillary has been beating the bushes for endorsements, Bernie has been out beating the bushes for VOTERS.

Good news.

sarge43

(29,173 posts)
2. While Hillary was shilling for money from the deep pockets, Senator Sanders
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jan 2016

was talking with the voters about issues and problems. Funny how that works.

Bernin' it up.

Response to pangaia (Reply #3)

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
32. YES +
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jan 2016
Yes Indeed!

Americans are deciding we need the CHANGE that BO only ever gave lip service to - a strategy that HRC has been replicating after having felt it's sting in '08. Sorry Hill - dumb bombs are now passe! We've got these new armaments called TRUTH & INTEGRITY. They eclipse desperately lobbed bombs like you won't believe - like you DON'T believe!

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. The endorsements backfire.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jan 2016

This was part of Mrs. Clinton's undoing in 2008, too.

The Clinton campaign uses these endorsements like a club ready to strike: get on board or else!

A lot of average caucus attendees and primary voters who are engaged enough to be involved have a natural reaction against this "you'll be left out and then where will you be?" approach.

Clinton uses endorsements to implant fear in voters; Sanders uses endorsements that come his way as messages of hope.

Endorsements can be helpful, especially if they come from grassroots or populist-type organizations.

Endorsements that smack of insider elites helping each other, like the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, tend to actually hurt, in my estimation.

The Sanders campaign is doing the endorsement thing just about right; Hillary, as usual, is doing it wrong and the polls are now showing it.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
22. People who vote in a primary/caucus, take pride in the process
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

Even just the appearance of devaluing any part of the process can hurt. Support has to look unforced, organic, imo.

So, yeah, what you wrote about "a natural reaction against this" could be a driving force here. We'll see, and pretty soon.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
4. Could this be the beginning of the end of the HRC run for president?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jan 2016

No, but it sure makes for a very interesting Primary run. Will support who ever makes it to the end, any Dem is far, far better then a fascist pig republican.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. Now the dirt will REALLY fly.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jan 2016

I would guess the Clinton campaign polling knew this would or was happening for a long time.


Hang in there Bernie. Stick to your guns and keep your cool !

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
9. What do they have though? A vote cast 10 years ago that has been explained
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

by Sanders? If the Clinton campaign wants to start throwing dirt(I have different noun to use)
There is plenty out there using Hillary's own words and all those "I was for it before I was against it" speeches to show.

There are those that don't want to remember all those negatives the Clinton(Bill) campaign tried against Obama.How did that work out for Hillary?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. I'm with you all the way.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jan 2016

--maybe also I should not have said 'stick to your guns."



JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. ARG was a pretty bad poll in 2012.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jan 2016

I'd rather wait to see what the Feb 1 polls say.

Hopefully the enthusiasm is real and very deep.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
12. Exactly
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jan 2016

i think its real though. I would like to see a poll with about 1000(+) samplings

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
16. I was polled by Quinnipiac last week
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jan 2016

They were specifically polling Iowans. Typical questions

Those results should be coming out very shortly. Their methodology seems very sound.

INdemo

(7,024 posts)
18. Cna you just imagine how DWS is scrambling to try some
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:04 PM - Edit history (2)

more "shit" that wont stick?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. If our next glimpse of DWS
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

reveals her blonde locks have been straightened, we'll know she's been pulling at them in frustration.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. Look at this bit of data in this poll--very important
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jan 2016

According to this ARG poll, Bernie is beating Clinton with Iowa Independents by 14 points.

This is incredibly significant. Independents are the largest voting block in Iowa (42 percent of all Iowa registered voters).

It is routine in Iowa that Independents change their registration on caucus night (easily done in ten minutes, on-site before the caucus).

If Bernie is beating Clinton by 14% with Independents, this is a huge advantage in our state, and in the caucuses.

----------------------------
Likely Democratic Caucus-Goers
--------------------------------------Democrats (88%) No party (12%)

Clinton-------------------------------46%-----------------------30%
Sanders------------------------------46%-----------------------54%

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
20. We always thought the Independents along with some Republicans would break for Sanders
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jan 2016

although the MSM failed to mention that for some reason. But the numbers you report indicate that indeed is what is happening. The question remaining is by what margin will this happen. I am indeed feeling the Bern. Thanks for the info.

Sam

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
25. Bernie's cross-over appeal to Independents and Republicans
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jan 2016

was discussed on Sunday night when Bernie met with the precinct captains. Bernie specifically asked us about Republicans and Indies and how they were responding on the phone and what they're comments were. Many chimed in to say that many Indies and some Rs were supporting Sanders.

There is definite cross-over appeal.

My favorite current challenge is a Republican in my precinct who still has a Fred Thompson bumper sticker on his car. He's always participated in the Iowa Republican caucuses, but this year he is aghast at the clown car his party is offering. He is incredibly traumatized and saddened and he said to me, "At least Bernie is honest. Bernie is a straight shooter. I may, for the first time ever caucus with the Democrats."

I am currently working on him, but treading lightly because he's truly in pain. I'm probably going to invite him and his wife for coffee and do a whole lot of listening. He's in my precinct and lives near me. One vote at a time...

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
29. That is quite the effort you are putting in... thank you and keep up the good work. nt
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
21. Thanks for this tidbit, CofeeCat!
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

That is significant and could translate into larger shift towards Sanders when the votes are actually cast!

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
38. ARG has a C-minus rating by 538 for its reliability.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

There are many pollsters rated A and A-. This one shouldn't be relied on no matter what your point of view.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/

Aside from that issue, the poll doesn't indicate a lead. Because the results are within the reported margin of error, it indicates a tie.

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
41. I mean ARG's results don't show a lead, there's still a tie --
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

anything within the margin of error is a tie -- and nothing done by ARG should be take seriously in the first place.

ejbr

(5,892 posts)
43. But if they shouldn't be taken seriously
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jan 2016

then indeed he could be doing better than whatever they are reporting.

pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
44. He could be doing better or worse. She could be doing better or worse.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

ARG isn't reliable.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
47. Of course it shouldn't
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jan 2016

its shows favorability towards Bernie so its not to be taken seriously.

You all make me Laugh, Pointing finger and rolling in the floor laughing my ass off, LOL

madokie

(51,076 posts)
49. If I remember right
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

538 didn't do such a stellar job the last time around either.

I like the you pick and chose who is and who isn't to be taken seriously. To the point I have to laugh, LOL

Dawson Leery

(19,568 posts)
42. Hillary wins this time?!?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

Since she was ahead in 2008 and lost to Obama. ARG has a reputation of getting things wrong.

Matthew28

(1,859 posts)
54. Great news
Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:17 AM
Jan 2016

Sanders would be a far more serious candidate with taking on the super rich and on economic issues. He also beats Trump in the general!

randys1

(16,286 posts)
52. ANY poll showing what AfAm will do as to Bernie vs Hillary, nationwide? Isnt
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

that what ALL of this comes down to?

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