‘German girls are just there for sex’ What migrant told woman as he groped her in street
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Source: UK Daily Express
GERMANY was rocked by yet more migrant sex attack allegations today after it emerged one refugee told his victim she was “just there for sex” as he groped her whilst another group STONED two women in the street.
Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635359/migrant-sex-attacks-Germany-Dortmund-refugees-Merkel
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7962
(11,841 posts)And a lot of folks here despised me for it. I merely see the world as it is,not as I wish it would be
Elmergantry
(884 posts)as for "as I wish it would be"; John Lennon said to someone about "Imagine" and his opposite lifestyle: "It's just a song"
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)My ears hear dog whistles real good.
Squinch
(59,522 posts)where they took place.
They are a warning to all women in the area: behave as anything other than a "good woman" as defined by these ignorant Neanderthal pigs, and this is what they will get.
7962
(11,841 posts)When you have a massive influx of people who mostly do not want to assimilate into their new surroundings, you will have problems. Doesnt matter WHO they are. Drop 100K people from Alabama into Japan and I bet there would be problems there as well. Although I doubt gang rapes would be one of them.
It is what it is, and the news will only get worse in Europe until the govts get stiffer with their policies. We'll see.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,292 posts)is a good start. 
Q: What do you call a bus load of lawyers going off a cliff?
A: A good start.
(Full disclosure: I was born in Alabama.)
progree
(12,977 posts)because they are escaping bad guys (ISIS)" meme. I've been trying to find that meme. It used to be posted a half dozen times in every thread like this, and it was featured in The Left Column for a long while...
I wish I could find it -- it was such a very well stated example of specious logic.
whathehell
(30,469 posts)I concur. 
jwirr
(39,215 posts)been living in a society that keeps women covered so just this type of thing does not happen. They blame the women.
They also come from a society where women are not equal in anyway.
Most Muslim men who have lived in a free society (who go to college here, or immigrated years ago, etc.) have recognized that the rules are different here. These refugees came in a huge group and assume that the rules came with them.
I think Canada was very wise in refusing to take single men as immigrants. But nothing says that will help them with every immigrant.
I am not sure what can be done now but I do know that they deserve the full punishment any other rapist would get and then deportation. No religion or society has the right to ignore the laws and customs within a country they immigrate to - especially when it comes to hurting someone else.
1monster
(11,045 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)You cannot let a million people who have a totally different way of life, walk through the door and not have major problems. And this is just the START, by the way. Its goin to get WORSE.
As a matter of fact, I also pointed out that many were coming from areas that werent considered "war zones" like Syria.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)instead of "refugees" was enough to get your post flame-roasted.
7962
(11,841 posts)I prefer not to call it a "newspaper", is just a right-wing tabloid, not a valid source of news.
7962
(11,841 posts)Because that is all that matters, not who reports it
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)when it comes to any news story. I wouldn't post anything here from Breitbart News, The Drudge Report, Infowars, FreeRepublic, etc. When it comes to truth and credibility, they have very poor track records.
If the story IS true, then it wouldn't be hard to find a credible news source. The Telegraph in the UK has a much more balanced and less inflammatory article. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12092354/Cologne-sex-attacks-New-Years-Eve-cases-rise-to-more-than-500.html
I pretty much always consider the SOURCE!
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)Oh I see, we are supposed to bury our heads in the sand and pretend all is well dare we be thought as something nefarious.
I now refer you to Colonel Jessup....
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Although I suspect it is all made up from whole cloth. The Express is not known for fact checking.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)I find the Euro press more open than here in the states.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.
Migrant bashing horseshit from the UK's yellow press belongs in General Discussion or the like.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)>>Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs
Is my site reputable? I don't know.
>>No analysis or opinion pieces
Check
>>No duplicates
Check
>>News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours
Check
>>Important news of national interest only
Check
>>Migrant bashing horseshit
Opinion. But the truth is hard to swallow sometimes I realize
>>General Discussion
If that's where it should go, then I defer to the owners of the site obviously
bemildred
(90,061 posts)
pampango
(24,692 posts)something misogynistic. It cannot be easy to be running down stories on a million refugees and asylum seekers and finding the ones who are idiots and potential criminals.
When the Express' work in Germany is done, it (or another RW rag) will turn its attention to Blacks, Hispanics and other minorities in the US. There must be individuals among them who are saying things that are both revolting and dangerous.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)then maybe you shouldn't post it. Just throwing whatever crap you find up as news isn't a great idea. I personally don't know anything either way about your source, so I don't know if this will hold up.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You can alert if it does not. Just because you do not like the content does not matter. There seems to be a lot of these stories from many sources.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)However enough people might like the migrant bashing so it didn't, hard to tell.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Migrants. Only the males that are assaulting females, is that OK with you?
Kurska
(5,739 posts)"It just isn't that important"
Oh how the songs that people sing change with the direction of the political wind.
I am proud to say I've had a consistent stand on these issues from day one.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)I saw that quoted by so many voices here. Obviously it needs the updated caveat "just believe her if it fits with my political narrative".
bemildred
(90,061 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I saw that quoted by so many voices here..."
Much as the concomitant: point at Muslim men freely; however, do not point at all men-- for the latter is offensive. 
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Aren't we all guilty of fostering that? I mean I guess unless you come from a culture where women are surrounded and brutalized on the streets so often there is a word for that. Then your hands are clean of collective guilt.
Jeez with all the talk of a massive societal conspiracy to protect rapists, you'd think when we see massive evidence of it certain individuals would be all over it. Instead we got minimizing and doubting accusers stories, the very things so often cursed here.
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)This newspaper has endorsed the Conservative party since WW2 and recently UKIP.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)... is one of the reason why Trump is doing so well.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)because I'm not changing my mind about this crap.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)does the country act like other civilized countries and charge the couple of dumbass drunk troublemakers with their crime.
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PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)Millions of people are running for their lives and sadly they are infiltrated by a few bad apples and you condemn all refugees. I don't condone it and hope the rapists are punished severely.
The right wing nutjobs are pushing this story as if rape by refugees is happening on every street corner in Germany. Once more creating fear and hatred and we know how that can turn out.
christx30
(6,241 posts)has been published.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35326090
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)And the Germans are really concerned about this situation. But of the 19 they have in custody 13 are North African. They are not Syrian war refugees.
Apparently Algeria and Morocco refuse to take back their own refugees. Germany is moving to quit allowing in refugees from those countries. They aren't war refugees. They are people who went to Germany for mainly financial reasons - to find a better life there.
I don't think you can just write this whole thing off as some right wing political move. There is substance to it but I think the affected European countries are capable of dealing with it is a rational manner.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I can't believe you have the nerve to talk logically and sensibly
leftyladyfrommo
(20,005 posts)It sounds like Germany has business interests in Algeria and Morocco so they have leverage there. If those countries refuse to take back their troublemakers they can impose business sanctions that will cost them a lot of money.
There quite a few "safe" countries that Germany limits refugees. Those are countries were people are not fleeing war or famine but just wanting to immigrate because Germany is a better place to live.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)My perception is that there is racist intent by posting this OP.
You are warned, Elmergantry...
Akicita
(1,196 posts)Oops! The German government tried that but it leaked. How about putting the onus on the German women like the faux feminist mayor of Cologne who suggested women dress more conservatively and stay at arms length from refugee hooligans to lessen the chance of being accosted.
Why, if German women would just start wearing burkas the whole problem may go away completely.
pampango
(24,692 posts)
‘German Wilkommenskultur (welcome culture) survived largely unscathed, caring for refugees and teaching freedom and democracy.’
For the last six months, every little punch-up in a refugee camp has been news, an attempt to create a horror story about violence in the “other culture”. However, despite the propaganda, German Willkommenskultur (welcome culture) survived largely unscathed, caring for refugees and teaching freedom and democracy. But the shocking events in Cologne seem to have cracked what was always fragile. Unsurprisingly, rightwing commentators – who over the year have been talking of refugees as if they were terrorists – are reacting gleefully to the events. Have they won?
No. Not yet. It is completely normal to be appalled by what seems to have happened in Cologne. And it is completely normal to demand that every criminal has to be punished. It is also completely normal to discuss every fear caused by their behaviour. But I have another fear.
I don’t want to trivialise sexual attacks. And I don’t want to deny the possibility that some people from the Middle East may have greater problems with women and alcohol than others. Nobody ever said that the refugees, even when they were wrapped in insulation blankets after arriving over the Mediterranean, were all angels. You’re sure to find bigots, antisemites and criminal gangs among them, just as you’ll find racists, rapists and arsonists among the German population (there were more than 200 arson attacks on refugee accommodation in Germany last year).
But my fear is that Willkommenskultur could end up as nothing more than a slogan. The people who always wanted it to fail, who believe in a Germans-only state, are abusing the fears and insecurities we all have over the background of the new arrivals.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/10/ensure-germany-welcome-refugees-cologne-attacks
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Looks like it's a far right tabloid
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express
pampango
(24,692 posts)1. It was a false flag operation designed to discredit innocent lovely immigrants
2. You can’t talk about these things because it encourages the ‘Far Right’
3. Rape is only a ‘thing’ when white people do it
4. Ooh look some cute kids! And they’re Syrian refugees!!!
5. Nothing to do with Islam. It’s because all men are rapists, obviously
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/08/cologne-rapefest-the-best-liberal-excuses-so-far/
I have really only heard of #2 on this list. The other 4 must be 'liberal excuses' known only to our own far-right.
christx30
(6,241 posts)And the opposite of #5, "that's just their culture. They don't know any better."
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)about their OWN nation to fight for it - why should they ever CARE about their refugee HOST nation?
To say that they want to go to a BETTER country is NOT a legitimate answer, we'd like improve many things about the U.S., too. The U.S. already has too many problems - the grass is always greener...
Tell me please.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)can make a bit of difference. I mean, think about it. Would you, vkkv, pick up a rifle and go off to fight those barbarians? How would you know you would survive the war? And if you figured you were going to die, how would you feel that your death would help anyone? How would you know that your life was spent, rather than wasted?
At least, that's the thinking that I project on the young men that come to the West. I honestly can't blame them.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)if they are going to choose countries to gain by fighting, countries in europe will be easier to conquer, and the spoils will be greater...
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)
Mira
(22,685 posts)He is a person who has quite a bit of prejudices, I would never call him a liberal.
I am only reporting what he said, and passing it on for what it is worth to you, since our media certainly is not giving us a lot of information other than soundbites and headlines without much meat.
He says the countries that are allowing refugees in are Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, some into Finland. Others glaringly do not, such as France. That the borders that had become open and flexible, allowing easy travel within countries, are now tightening and closing. That the number of people Germany can accept is diminishing, especially considering that their families will follow when possible. That in general the German people are still putting on a good face and many line up to help and volunteer. That much of it is in order to show the world that they have risen above their history and want to not be stamped as neo-nazis or anti-semites. But that much of it is from the heart with the understanding that their small country simply cannot accept all the people that are being shoved in from the other countries that are not accepting them. There are, he says, large camps full of refugees at the Adriatic sea, in Italy and Greece, where they arrive into countries hostile to them staying and are waiting to be sent north.
Specifically asked about the incidents in Cologne he said that the Syrian refugees were not the culprits. That these acts were committed by Maroccans and Lybians who are in the country illegally, are difficult to deport, and who do not receive assistance from the government. That the population understands in general that there are going to be excesses of all kinds until an assimilation process that is already underway has taken hold.
Basically, I think we ought to all have a lot more good information and need to reserve judgments of all kinds. Germany is about two times the size of North Carolina.It has taken in close to a million refugees. We, the large US of A have taken in approximately 1500 since 2011. There are Germans, I am told, who under their breath are saying that airplane tickets to Texas where GWBush lives would be a cheaper way to handle the influx of refugees.
I believe that there would be many Texans willing to step in and help, as well we would see the other negative side of the coin discussed elsewhere.
Many of my family members live in Germany and I am proud to tell you that my brother's wife, and their 15 year old son go twice a week and help cook for the refugees and help in other ways.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)So I won't rec this, though the story is important. But this thread highlights a larger issue. There is real news happening that right wing papers don't have to spin that much for it to fit into their propaganda.
Sure, a lot of them do distort it horribly, but the bare facts are causing otherwise fairly progressive politicians in Europe (including England) to retrench their positions on more open borders.
A story consisting solely of quotes by young, liberal minded, witnesses about assaults on the streets is all it takes in order to make a compelling narrative.
There are important issues here that need to be faced. There are neighborhoods around Paris, and in England, where the rules and customs of Western society can't be relied upon. Especially by young attractive women. And that's just not acceptable. That the trend it represents looked to be accelerating and was eminently not acceptable to affected voters is part of the reason the political landscape looks the way it does today.
Liberal politicians have to be trusted by the voters in those countries. They got themselves behind the curve, so now they are scrambling.
Imo much of this comes down to simply speaking the wrong rhetoric. If from the beginning the politicians had sworn that they were going to insist on modern standards of behavior being maintained, they'd have more credibility today. The mess might still have been nearly as bad, but the public would be more sure of who was on their side.
And yes, it actually looks like it has come down to "sides". That's unfortunate, and it didn't have to come to this.
lark
(26,081 posts)The skinheads are bad enough, these acts are heinous and must be stopped.
In_The_Wind
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