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hoosierlib

(710 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:00 AM Feb 2016

Clintons made $153 million off speeches: report

Source: The Hill

Bill and Hillary Clinton made a combined $153 million off of paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary launched her presidential bid in 2015, according to a CNN report.

During that time, the couple gave 729 speeches for an average payout of $210,795 each. Of those speeches, at least 39 were given to big banks, who paid the couple $7.7 million.

Hillary Clinton alone made at least $1.8 million for her eight speeches to Wall Street banks. She has been repeatedly challenged by Democratic presidential rival Bernie Sanders for her ties to big banks and other special interests.

“What being part of the establishment is, last quarter, having a super-PAC that raised $15 million from Wall Street, that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other special interests," Sanders said during Thursday's presidential debate.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/268478-report-clintons-made-153-million-off-of-speeches



Wow...and I'm sure they did nothing in return...
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Clintons made $153 million off speeches: report (Original Post) hoosierlib Feb 2016 OP
oh yeah florida08 Feb 2016 #1
They are richly rewarded Geronimoe Feb 2016 #2
They don't make speeches, they pick up paychecks. What are they being paid for? marble falls Feb 2016 #3
Oh for fuck's sake... CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #43
Let's break that down a bit, OK? HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #50
no one speaks for $250K/speech without donors expecting something in return wordpix Feb 2016 #74
Absolutely. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #77
Clueless wonder. CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #85
wow, way to win people to your side telling them "you have no fucking clue" wordpix Feb 2016 #110
U.S. Law Opening Markets To Africa While Visiting Nigeria, President Clinton Urged Leaders NickB79 Feb 2016 #132
that's only $100/second 6chars Feb 2016 #101
Yes khankiso Feb 2016 #100
But we're not considering whether to vote for Palin, etc. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #107
We're talking about GOLDMAN SACHS the company who last week got off with only paying 5 billion trillion Feb 2016 #114
Do you have any concept of what "bribery" means? Nyan Feb 2016 #125
Nice use of our bailout money. Beats helping someone with an underwater mortgage. corkhead Feb 2016 #4
Good on them. Arby Feb 2016 #5
You've made your position clear. You have a price. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #23
Are you fucking kidding me? CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #46
not even with a condom and a blindfold. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #54
You know what would help? CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #56
Regrettably - HRC Does Not Live In The Fact-Based World - She Lives With The 1% cantbeserious Feb 2016 #88
hey, Strowbridge, you need to chill with your 265 posts wordpix Feb 2016 #111
You presume much. Arby Feb 2016 #92
Bah. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #98
I agree with HRC Arby Feb 2016 #134
I agree. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #135
Easy To Be Bought - We See - One Would Do Most Anything For Money - One Suspects cantbeserious Feb 2016 #24
not one dime to harm people. if you can then you have no conscience roguevalley Feb 2016 #33
Roger That - No More Queens Of War - That Enable Death - Destroying The Lives Of Millions cantbeserious Feb 2016 #37
Do anything for money? CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #53
Being Paid To Speak - Is A Ruse - Being Paid To Provide Favors Later - Is The Better Truth cantbeserious Feb 2016 #57
So what did Jimmy Carter promise? CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #62
HRC Is Not A Progressive - HRC Is A Paid Spokesperson - For The 1% cantbeserious Feb 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #86
Vulgarity - Is That The Best One Has - Too Sad cantbeserious Feb 2016 #87
The jury thought so, too.. MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #102
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Feb 2016 #103
thanks, jury, good decision wordpix Feb 2016 #112
There is if you're considering running for president cali Feb 2016 #129
Think, Jimmy Carter. jalan48 Feb 2016 #42
Great idea. CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #51
But, has Carter made $100 million in speeches? Has that been his main focus? jalan48 Feb 2016 #55
No, because he isn't in demand. CSStrowbridge Feb 2016 #61
In Wall Street demand "for fuck's sake"? I feel ya. jalan48 Feb 2016 #66
we don't get offered this sort of money because we don't have power and influence MisterP Feb 2016 #47
Roger That - The Money Goes To Those That Can Make The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Wealthier cantbeserious Feb 2016 #60
I give speeches for free b/c I believe in the cause wordpix Feb 2016 #75
The hubris of the Clintons leaves me breathless and disgusted. CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #6
Cosigned. Every word. FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #8
They've always gotten away with it, and many think they always will. Akicita Feb 2016 #17
And many are cheering them on, to continue doing it.. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #48
Sadly, you're right. Akicita Feb 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Feb 2016 #106
You expressed my feelings well. The Clintons were always in bed with Wall Street Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #108
We should have seen this coming after the Clinton's took the White House china when they left office jalan48 Feb 2016 #7
How dare you bring that up. Akicita Feb 2016 #19
Hillary Brought Her Own Goldman Sachs Lobbyist to the New Hampshire Democratic Debate appalachiablue Feb 2016 #9
HRC - Forked Tongue - Strident - Overbearing - Visionless - The Perfect Spokesperson For The 1% cantbeserious Feb 2016 #25
Dean is calling unions Dem Super-Pacs after sitting with this Goldman lobbyist? wordpix Feb 2016 #76
Even more reason to never watch MSNBC again. About a month appalachiablue Feb 2016 #99
Good for her! kydo Feb 2016 #10
Except they used to call it "Bribery" n/t 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #49
And every one of them Island Deac Feb 2016 #11
enjoy your chains roguevalley Feb 2016 #36
Are you implying something? LOL, do it to her face! Babel_17 Feb 2016 #12
Ha Ha Bernin Feb 2016 #39
all of this will sink her because she had horrendous negatives roguevalley Feb 2016 #128
Good for them. leftofcool Feb 2016 #13
Senator Sanders will never earn that kind of money giving speeches. EL34x4 Feb 2016 #35
Living the NEW American Dream! It's great work if you can find it. NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #14
Owned by her buyers (nt) bigwillq Feb 2016 #15
It's been a reward for the Clintons for getting rid of the Glass-Steagall. Nyan Feb 2016 #16
So? George II Feb 2016 #18
$153 million CountAllVotes Feb 2016 #20
A person making $10 an hour would literally have to work 7,650 years to make that amount Android3.14 Feb 2016 #21
So, I'm supposed to be against capitalism now? BeatleBoot Feb 2016 #22
Bribery Is Not Capitalism - Or So We Are Taught - Maybe One Believes - They Should Be The Same cantbeserious Feb 2016 #26
Where's the Quid Pro Quo? BeatleBoot Feb 2016 #67
Chuckles - One's Naivety Is Legion cantbeserious Feb 2016 #68
All you have to do is answer the question. BeatleBoot Feb 2016 #136
"Okay. Where's the quid pro quo now?" Nyan Feb 2016 #126
how about capitalism that works for the many, instead of the top 1%? wordpix Feb 2016 #81
sickening Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #27
I've seen both Hillary and Bill speak at GreenBuild VMA131Marine Feb 2016 #28
Yes. Igel Feb 2016 #44
Here we go....................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #29
Another way to see this: A fool and his money is soon parted. alfredo Feb 2016 #30
Apparently people here are okay with Chakaconcarne Feb 2016 #45
disagree---all candidates need vetting and if we're tearing her up wordpix Feb 2016 #78
For me, it is all about keeping a Republican out of the Whitehouse. alfredo Feb 2016 #95
Most of the people who are posting anti-Hillary nonsense Yavin4 Feb 2016 #121
this is all public knowledge questionseverything Feb 2016 #104
capitalism is here to stay ericson00 Feb 2016 #31
Prepare for an epic, dirty battle... because those Banksters aren't going to quietly walk away from AzDar Feb 2016 #32
Yep, she was bought by American Camping Association, Green Building Council, UCLA, Canada 2020, Hoyt Feb 2016 #34
Goldman Sachs citi Corp roguevalley Feb 2016 #38
All or none, I guess. Igel Feb 2016 #52
The two big bank who paid the most were big pushers of the KeystoneXL. polly7 Feb 2016 #40
She actually spoke to clients, some of them Dems, about economy and world. Hoyt Feb 2016 #70
She 'wouldn't take a stand' then (in public) on the KXL, but took their big money. polly7 Feb 2016 #71
The pipeline is dead despite your conspiracy theory. Hoyt Feb 2016 #72
It wasn't dead 'then'. polly7 Feb 2016 #73
You miss the point, neither she nor Obama were influenced by speaker fees or promises of more. Hoyt Feb 2016 #79
No, YOU miss the point. But thanks for playing. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #83
don't worry, if she becomes pres, these banks will be back wordpix Feb 2016 #80
Exactly. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #84
She won't release the content of her speeches. former9thward Feb 2016 #91
There are a few videos posted right here yesterday. Look at em, then comeback and report. Hoyt Feb 2016 #94
LOL former9thward Feb 2016 #96
I guess when they pay Jimmy Carter, head of Robin Hood Foundation, sports or entertainment icons, Hoyt Feb 2016 #97
Do they pay Carter, etc. $675,000? former9thward Feb 2016 #105
Sure beats ducking sniper fire. Bernin Feb 2016 #41
A symptom of the problem, for sure. So how do we fix it? Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #58
I'd elect someone who could make $153 million in speeches Tab Feb 2016 #59
The correct term is BRIBE. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #63
They made almost $91 million in 6 years - From 2009 to 2014. Skwmom Feb 2016 #64
I can see them on TV for free Enrique Feb 2016 #69
you can't bribe them if you're watching them on youtube, silly! wordpix Feb 2016 #82
Imagine if they were being given money in suitcases in motel rooms.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #90
A speech a week for 15 years ahimsa Feb 2016 #93
Another day, another smear. Thanks, Sanders supporters! 6000eliot Feb 2016 #109
Playing the victim card for Hillary Bernin Feb 2016 #115
As opposed to playing the bully for Sanders? 6000eliot Feb 2016 #116
I watched the last debate. Bernin Feb 2016 #117
I don't recall accusing either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton of anything, 6000eliot Feb 2016 #118
You blamed Sander's supporters. Bernin Feb 2016 #119
Not the same thing. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #120
Great to hear. Bernin Feb 2016 #122
As if to prove my point. 6000eliot Feb 2016 #123
Well, Bernin Feb 2016 #124
That's a lot of money. I wonder what those speeches were about? n/t Little Tich Feb 2016 #113
The speeches are irrelevant. It's the backroom conversations after the speech that matters. Throd Feb 2016 #133
Can't thank you enough ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #127
Nice to know that we have a candidate Cryptoad Feb 2016 #130
She'll make America great again left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #131

marble falls

(71,927 posts)
3. They don't make speeches, they pick up paychecks. What are they being paid for?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

"During that time, the couple gave 729 speeches for an average payout of $210,795 each. Of those speeches, at least 39 were given to big banks, who paid the couple $7.7 million.

Hillary Clinton alone made at least $1.8 million for her eight speeches to Wall Street banks. She has been repeatedly challenged by Democratic presidential rival Bernie Sanders for her ties to big banks and other special interests.

“What being part of the establishment is, last quarter, having a super-PAC that raised $15 million from Wall Street, that throughout one's life raised a whole lot of money from the drug companies and other special interests," Sanders said during Thursday's presidential debate. "

Says it all. Who gives out $170M with NO expectations????????????

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
43. Oh for fuck's sake...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

"Says it all. Who gives out $170M with NO expectations????????????"

No one gave her $170 million with no expectations.

The two of them made that money over 14 years by giving over 700 speeches.

Only about 5% of that was from big banks.

Donald Trump was charging $1.5 million a speech.

I don't hear a lot of people here freaking out about that.

Ben Bernanke makes more per speech.

George W. Bush makes a little bit less.

Sarah Palin was making $100,000 a speech.

Do you think anyone was spending that much money for those people so they would get something out of it? No, it is for the prestige of having someone that important speak at your event.



Christ, I'm getting worried that the progressive movement is turning into the stupid movement.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
50. Let's break that down a bit, OK?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Feb 2016

No one thinks Ms. Clinton's share of the speaking fees was handed to her in one lump sum. It came in amounts of approximately $200-400,000 ( some as high as almost $500,00. )

But do you REALLY want to lump her in with the likes of Trump, Bernanke, Palin, and Bush????!!!

And perhaps some of those speakers mentioned had been hired for their "optics", but it's been endlessly documented here at DU for days that Wall Street executives expected some "collegiality" and reciprocity from Mrs. Clinton, and she signalled that she understood their "needs."

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
74. no one speaks for $250K/speech without donors expecting something in return
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

The new normal: getting paid huge amounts for a 1-2 hr. speech instead of getting a campaign contribution. That way the company pays and not the execs out of pocket. How brilliant.

And those small investors with retirement savings in Goldman Sachs or whoever the donor is also pay. But small inverstors don't get the benefits the execs get

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
77. Absolutely.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

That's exactly why Ms. Clinton should release the full transcripts, without redactions or omissions.

She's not new to this rodeo, so she should have offered all of these materials a long time ago. If she didn't see this coming, then she's truly not ready for prime time.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
85. Clueless wonder.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

"no one speaks for $250K/speech without donors expecting something in return"

Bill Clinton got paid $700,000 to speak at a Nigerian newspaper.

What did they expect to get in return? What the fuck could an ex-president do in Nigeria?

The got the same thing they expected when Snoop Dogg was paid appeared at one of their functions.

Prestige.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, but you sound like a Republican, not a progressive.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
110. wow, way to win people to your side telling them "you have no fucking clue"
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:01 PM
Feb 2016
I think someone else is the clueless one.

NickB79

(20,356 posts)
132. U.S. Law Opening Markets To Africa While Visiting Nigeria, President Clinton Urged Leaders
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 10:47 AM
Feb 2016
http://articles.philly.com/2000-08-27/news/25596072_1_nigeria-south-africa-sani-abacha

In Nigeria today, the President will tout his sponsorship of the new American trade law, which takes effect Oct. 1, as the cornerstone of his administration's "trade-not-aid" approach to helping the world's most impoverished continent.

"This is quite a remarkable opportunity," said Robert F. Godec, the economic counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Pretoria, South Africa, speaking to a clothing trade meeting in Cape Town on Thursday. "It is fundamentally about helping Africa to create wealth."

The African Growth and Opportunity Act has at least created an intense buzz about new trade possibilities.

"The law is going to have huge impact on our industry," said Scott Walton, manager of exports for House of Monatic, whose Cape Town company produces menswear under designer labels such as Viyella and Yves Saint Laurent. "It's just a question of which factories can position themselves to benefit."


You were saying?

khankiso

(23 posts)
100. Yes
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

I agree with you people in that position all get huge amounts of money for speeches so what I think Bernie is just jealous. I'm tired of hearing about it and just because she makes money off speeches still doesn't mean that would make Bernie a better President. He's making so many promises that he'll never get anything accomplished. He reminds me of the person that goes to an all you can eat and fills his plate sky high then throws most of it away

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
107. But we're not considering whether to vote for Palin, etc.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

We're choosing between Sanders and Clinton.

Of course this is relevant information.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
114. We're talking about GOLDMAN SACHS the company who last week got off with only paying 5 billion
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

for the 2008 housing collapse federal mortgage corruption scandal.

For these speeches it's WHO they speak to. Can you put gender aside and start looking at WHO they have their dealings with? Who is paying them?

Go look at Hillary Clintons super pac. It's online. It's the biggest bank offenders on Wall Street, including Goldman Sachs, and its the big insurance companies.

Wake up.

Arby

(60 posts)
5. Good on them.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

In what fantasy driven world (one filled with Unicorns?) would someone turn down monies offered, or negotiate down their fees for a political ideology? I seriously doubt anyone here at DU would turn down that sort of money because of their "principled idealism"

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
23. You've made your position clear. You have a price.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:43 PM
Feb 2016

But would you then turn around, take millions, and pretend that you owe no debt, moral, ethical, contractual, whatever, to those that paid you millions?
If so, then you are no better than Hillary. If not, I take my hat off to you.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
46. Are you fucking kidding me?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

Clearly you have no fucking clue how the real world works. In the real world, there are things called speaking fees. People hire someone they think is prestigious to speak in front of their group.

Sarah Palin was paid more than $100,000 a speech at her peak. Do you think the people paying her were expecting her to pay them back with cushy tax breaks and deregulation of their industry? FUCK NO. She had no political power at the time and was never going to get back into politics.

Fucking hell. Democratic Underground has turned into Red State with loud moron spouting off the latest anti-Clinton conspiracy theory and not an ounce of intelligent discussion to be seen.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
54. not even with a condom and a blindfold.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

I love your comparison of Hillary and Sarah. They do have similarities.

I might suggest that you try some deep breathing exercises. Might help with those temper tantrums. Maybe you and Trump . . . . naw. I won't go there.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
56. You know what would help?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

"I might suggest that you try some deep breathing exercises. Might help with those temper tantrums."

If the people posting here weren't so fucking stupid.

The Progressive Movement must be a Fact-Based movement.

You are your ilk have shown you simply don't care about the facts.

I expect this shit from Red State, not Democratic Underground.


cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
88. Regrettably - HRC Does Not Live In The Fact-Based World - She Lives With The 1%
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

That is Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
111. hey, Strowbridge, you need to chill with your 265 posts
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 08:03 PM
Feb 2016

you are a bit shrill with your language, to say the least

Arby

(60 posts)
92. You presume much.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:13 PM
Feb 2016

Speaking is a business just like any other and a major source for income for most politicians once they're out of their public/elected position. I have no qualms about HRC's motives - show me the money ... And as I've said good on her.

She would be an idiot to turn down the opportunity to make that sort of cash. I submit you would take it as well if it was offered - unless of course your are in fact a complete imbecile. To presume that an accomplished person must be indebted to those that pay for their services is somehow obligatory is fallacious.

The small mindedness of so many here at DU is really quite astounding.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
98. Bah.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)

What service? What useful service did Hillary perform other than to prostitute out her future stances and political decisions?

Wait for the transcripts. And if her campaign refuses to produce them, then my point will be proven.

Only a naive fool would believe that her words were worth $7.7 MILLION from the banking industry alone. $153 MILLION in investments or speaking fees? Come on.

Arby

(60 posts)
134. I agree with HRC
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

that when all other candidates and public speakers make public their speeches, she will too ... Why is the outrage ONLY associated with HRC?

Also, $153 is for both HRC and WJC over the course of a decade. How much of this is associated with their Global Initiative?

Only one who is totally ignorant of corporate speeches/functions would presume that those fees are exorbitant.
Corporations are happy to pay high fees to certain political and celebrity figures and it is really no costs to them - the fees and the functions are tax deductible ... SOP. It's not about her words, it's about her works and her celebrity ... Come on.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
37. Roger That - No More Queens Of War - That Enable Death - Destroying The Lives Of Millions
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

While enriching the Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks - the 1%.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
53. Do anything for money?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

Do anything for money?

She's being paid to make speeches. There's nothing controversial about that.

Unless you've never heard of speaking fees, which I'm starting to think is the problem.

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/11/price-political-speakers

I've dealt with more knowledgeable creationists.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
57. Being Paid To Speak - Is A Ruse - Being Paid To Provide Favors Later - Is The Better Truth
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

eom

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
62. So what did Jimmy Carter promise?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

"Being Paid To Speak - Is A Ruse - Being Paid To Provide Favors Later - Is The Better Truth"

So what did Jimmy Carter promise?

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/11/price-political-speakers

Fucking conspiracy bullshit. I expect this from Glenn Beck, not a fellow progressive.

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CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
51. Great idea.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

"Think, Jimmy Carter."

Great idea. Let's think about Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter is paid $50,000 to $100,000 per speech. He is arguably the greatest ex-president in modern US history.

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/11/price-political-speakers

Hillary Clinton has been named the most admired women in America for 20 years in a row. She's underpaid.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
55. But, has Carter made $100 million in speeches? Has that been his main focus?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

We both know the answer to that. Hillary is no Jimmy Carter.

CSStrowbridge

(267 posts)
61. No, because he isn't in demand.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:51 PM
Feb 2016

"But, has Carter made $100 million in speeches?"

No, because he isn't in demand.

For fuck sake.

Her speaking fees are high, because she's in demand. That's how this works.

The argument is Creationists Level Stupid.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
47. we don't get offered this sort of money because we don't have power and influence
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

they DON'T hand out this sort of money to anyone

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
60. Roger That - The Money Goes To Those That Can Make The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Wealthier
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

eom

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
75. I give speeches for free b/c I believe in the cause
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Feb 2016

I'm fighting the poisoning of America, pesticides and the like

It doesn't pay the bills but it makes me feel good, now that I'm semi-retired. Hillary could afford to do the same, and a lot easier than I can money-wise since I'm nowhere near a 1%-er.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
6. The hubris of the Clintons leaves me breathless and disgusted.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:24 AM
Feb 2016

They have grown into truly unbelievably corrupt, conceited and myopic people. They are becoming a national tragedy.

How in the world did they think that they would get away with this?

People argue oh-so strongly that Clinton has been vetted. No, she hasn't. Both Hillary and Bill are so tied up in money, corruption and the corporate world--they will be vetted and re-vetted long after they are dead and in the ground. We will NEVER stop learning about their corporate ties, their lies, their improper deals, the money they banked from powerful corporations and interests.

There's just no end to it.

These people are corrupt beyond repair. They're part of the establishment that is destroying our democracy. They've gained immense wealth from their corporate connections, specifically from Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, the defense contractors, the health-insurance industry, the private-prison industry--and God only knows what else!

I am sick to death of these people.

We are only on the second state. I started out as a Sanders supporter who disliked Clinton's policies. This election vetting of the Clintons and their corporate-corrupt connection and games--has made me detest them. They are vile.

This vetting of the Clintons will continue. Additional Americans will have to suffer through more outrageous facts, figures and stories that will be revealed. It's traumatizing for our nation, that Clinton is running. It's outrageous that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton failed to anticipate that the little party they've had going for years--would not be revealed and examined--and overwhelmingly rejected.

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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
108. You expressed my feelings well. The Clintons were always in bed with Wall Street
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

I never could understand why and how this was supposed to motivate voters this time around.


To me, it was always like this. After Bill Clinton left office, he could do what he wanted as long as he stayed away from minors. But Hillary had to choose. If she wanted an independent political career, she should have chosen that. If she wanted the money, she had the right to choose that.

I never comprehended for a minute how the top people in the party believed she could walk away with both. Especially not in this election!

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
7. We should have seen this coming after the Clinton's took the White House china when they left office
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:29 AM
Feb 2016

It's all about them.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
19. How dare you bring that up.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

Didn't you get the memo that went out to all the media that that is never to be talked about?

appalachiablue

(44,024 posts)
9. Hillary Brought Her Own Goldman Sachs Lobbyist to the New Hampshire Democratic Debate
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016


Sitting next to Dean, fundraiser and lobbyist Steve Elmendorf. He lobbies for Goldman Sachs. 4 Feb. 2016, Tweet, Zaid Jilani reporter.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/5/1480331/-Hillary-brought-her-own-Goldman-Sacks-lobbyist-to-Dem-debate

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
25. HRC - Forked Tongue - Strident - Overbearing - Visionless - The Perfect Spokesperson For The 1%
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

eom

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
76. Dean is calling unions Dem Super-Pacs after sitting with this Goldman lobbyist?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

A perfect Hillary spokesman :

appalachiablue

(44,024 posts)
99. Even more reason to never watch MSNBC again. About a month
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

ago he said to Martin O'Malley smthg. like why not go ahead have a debate with Bernie, when he knew well the restrictions as a former DNC Chair. Equating labor unions, what's left of them, with big money shows what Dr. Dean's all about now. It didn't have to be like this, deep dysfunction and corruption.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
10. Good for her!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:01 PM
Feb 2016

If that's what the people having her speak are willing to pay her for her services, then cool beanies for her. I have no problem that she was able to make money in public speaking. More power to her!

Island Deac

(110 posts)
11. And every one of them
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

was as a Democrat! None were as an Independent! Good for her and the rest of we Democrats.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
39. Ha Ha
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

Would love to have seen what happened after her little tantrum. Had to break for commercial. Looked like she was heading off stage to take a valium or something...

Completely childish. NOT Presidential. She acted like a petulant preschooler. She does not belong anywhere near the White House.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
128. all of this will sink her because she had horrendous negatives
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:58 AM
Feb 2016

nearly 50% before this happened.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
35. Senator Sanders will never earn that kind of money giving speeches.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

For obvious reasons.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
16. It's been a reward for the Clintons for getting rid of the Glass-Steagall.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

It's about time we saw that. If you don't, then you're a sucker.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
21. A person making $10 an hour would literally have to work 7,650 years to make that amount
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:33 PM
Feb 2016

How can any of her supporters be comfortable with this?

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
26. Bribery Is Not Capitalism - Or So We Are Taught - Maybe One Believes - They Should Be The Same
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

eom

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
126. "Okay. Where's the quid pro quo now?"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:03 AM
Feb 2016

is the question they'll be asking the Clintons the minute they get into the WH.

VMA131Marine

(5,270 posts)
28. I've seen both Hillary and Bill speak at GreenBuild
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

the US Green Building Council's annual convention. They were paid, but by the above logic is the contention that they are now beholden to the environmentalist lobby? We can only hope!

Igel

(37,535 posts)
44. Yes.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
Feb 2016

And just as "Wall Street" employees aren't Americans or people, so also we must dehumanize the Greenies by giving them names that point out that they're not really people, too, nor Americans.

It's "we the people" and not "well the Wall Street" or "we the Greenies." So they don't count. Perhaps we can raze Wall Street and spray for Greenies in the future to liberate their space for "we the people."

That's how such talk ends. We're familiar with decrying it when we're in solidarity with the dehumanized or hate the dehumanizers on other grounds, but find it alien and completely foreign to us when we do it.

(I was noticing this sort of hypocrisy as a core value on a "Russia in Syria" thread. Russia government's all for separatism when it's in its interests, and decries the established government as "terrorists" for daring to even say harsh words about those just seeking freedom and, as it were, independence. But as soon as they like the government that's established in a country, it can do no wrong and anybody who dares to say a harsh word about it is a terrorist and worthy of death.)

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
29. Here we go.......................
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/top.php?display=Z

And just think if you look at who has became a lobbyists---------------go outside the box and just think of the "trade deals" from the past and presently being placed on at your feet and these speaking fees are the same thing in there conclusion------------greed ------------------and the quid pro quo, and the attacking of the basic infrastructure about the supposed "high cost " to manufacture anything in this country

That is what this issue is about-------------------speaking fees, "trade deals" and laws being passed in the country to reinforce these outsourcing "trade deals", and then trying to lay the blame on the poor and the middle class in general for being the problem --------------------wrong

I do not think at this present time that Mr. Sanders would be invited to Goldman Sach's or JP Morgan Chase to talk about there shenanigans and what can be done--------------I truly do not believe they want his advice now or in the future



Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

It is about getting a Progressive President, U.S. Supreme Court, Congress, and State and Local legislatures

Democracy begins with you--------------------tag your it-------------------Sanders to Thom Hartmann

Democracy is not a spectator sport------------------get involved------------Thom Hartmann



alfredo

(60,301 posts)
30. Another way to see this: A fool and his money is soon parted.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 12:59 PM
Feb 2016

Event organizers need big names to lure in paying customers. Hillary speaking at your event will bring in more money than Tom DeLay or Dan Quayle.

The Clinton's left office with millions in legal fees. The quickest way to earn money was the speaking tour. Reagan earned $2 million for two speeches in Japan soon after leaving office. GHW Bush also got a $2 million dollar speaking fee from the Emir of Kuwait. I'm sure the Obama's will do quite well with the speaking fees.

Chakaconcarne

(2,787 posts)
45. Apparently people here are okay with
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

A republican winning in 2016 because that's what's going to happen if we tear the shit out of Clinton now and she ends up the nominee. Just saying... we all know this about her, why not just keep it to ourselves and not get the media rolling and spinning on this for everyone else to see.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
78. disagree---all candidates need vetting and if we're tearing her up
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

it's NOTHING compared to what the repukes will do.

Their only problem is their candidates are equally tied to billionaire$ or in Donald's and Jeb's case, they are the billionaire$.

If Hillary win$ this nomination, it will be a battle of billionaire$. Who was paid what $ for what "service" and how their votes changed or did not change. The whole election will be one recrimination after the next. I would rather have Bernie in there as an honest man who is not tainted by campaign bribery.

alfredo

(60,301 posts)
95. For me, it is all about keeping a Republican out of the Whitehouse.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:24 PM
Feb 2016

I don't care if it is Hillary or Sanders. I like that Sanders is normalizing Socialism. I think people are starting to understand that we are to some extent, a Social Democracy. We just need to be brave enough to say it out loud.

I think both Bernie and Hillary understand the destabilizing effect of social inequality. How they address it is the difference. Hillary is a cautious politician, probably because of the decades long smear campaign against her. Neither Hillary or Bernie will be able to work with the Republicans. Their hate is too deep, their ideology is too rigid.

Both Bern and Hill are flexible enough to cut deals, but they need patriotic Republicans willing to bargain in good faith.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
121. Most of the people who are posting anti-Hillary nonsense
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:05 AM
Feb 2016

didn't live through 12 years of Reagan/Bush and then 8 years of Bush.

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
104. this is all public knowledge
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:54 PM
Feb 2016

no one is saying anything the repub don't already know

this is pretty tame to what repubs say

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
31. capitalism is here to stay
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

and so is money. Socialism will never happen and the profit motive will live on forever thru the ages.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
32. Prepare for an epic, dirty battle... because those Banksters aren't going to quietly walk away from
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

all that EQUITY.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
34. Yep, she was bought by American Camping Association, Green Building Council, UCLA, Canada 2020,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

Igel

(37,535 posts)
52. All or none, I guess.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Feb 2016

A wholly owned subsidiary of green camping bankers who attended UCLA.

Must be careful, because not only are you guilty of the crimes of those you associate with, but you're also guilty of the crimes of those you're paid by.

Oh, no. The local EPA inspector is guilty of war crimes in Iraq because he was paid by the US government and therefore owned by the government.

Of course, so's Sanders, because during all this time he was also paid by the government, and therefore wholly owned.

Ad absurdum with this argument.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
40. The two big bank who paid the most were big pushers of the KeystoneXL.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

Do you think she spoke to them on how to improve our banking system? I can't find transcripts ....... is she a banking system expert?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
70. She actually spoke to clients, some of them Dems, about economy and world.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

And, you see what happened to the pipeline. So, all the conspiracy theories are BS.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
71. She 'wouldn't take a stand' then (in public) on the KXL, but took their big money.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

Who do you think you're fooling?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
73. It wasn't dead 'then'.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016
WASHINGTON -- Two Canadian banks tightly connected to promoting the controversial Keystone XL pipeline in the United States either fully or partially paid for eight speeches made by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the period not long before she announced her campaign for president. Those speeches put more than $1.6 million in the Democratic candidate's pocket.

Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and TD Bank were both primary sponsors of paid Clinton speeches in 2014 and early 2015, although only the former appears on the financial disclosure form she filed May 15. According to that document, CIBC paid Clinton $150,000 for a speech she gave in Whistler, British Columbia, on Jan. 22, 2015.

Clinton reported that another five speeches she gave across Canada were paid for by tinePublic Inc., a promotional company known for hosting speeches by world leaders and celebrities. Another speech was reported as paid for by the think tank Canada 2020, while yet another speech was reportedly funded by the Vancouver Board of Trade. But a review of invitations, press releases and media reports for those seven other speeches reveals that they, too, were either sponsored by or directly involved the two banks.

Both banks have financial ties to TransCanada, the company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, and have advocated for a massive increase in pipeline capacity, including construction of Keystone. Further, Gordon Giffin, a CIBC board member and onetime U.S. ambassador to Canada, is a former lobbyist for TransCanada and was a contributions bundler for Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.


CIBC and TD Bank both have large energy portfolios and have pushed for the U.S. government to approve final construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, which would link the Canadian oil sands in Alberta through the middle of the United States to Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.

Since the Keystone pipeline is being built across national boundaries by a foreign company, TransCanada, it requires approval from the U.S. State Department. While serving as secretary of state, Clinton said that she was “inclined” to approve the pipeline. Since then, she has been mum on the issue, even as environmentalists -- with their major grassroots and money sway in the Democratic Party -- have made stopping the pipeline a priority.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/hillary-clinton-speeches-keystone_n_7463108.html
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
79. You miss the point, neither she nor Obama were influenced by speaker fees or promises of more.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
80. don't worry, if she becomes pres, these banks will be back
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:04 PM
Feb 2016

They gave their "insurance premium" and they'll be at the WH as soon as she gets into office.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
91. She won't release the content of her speeches.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

So you have no idea what she talked to them about.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
94. There are a few videos posted right here yesterday. Look at em, then comeback and report.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:20 PM
Feb 2016

Do you think she's gonna go into a large banquet room, full of GS clients -- including many Democrats -- and set out a plan to steal from the poor. Lord, you folks crack me up. They hire her to attract attendees and give them insight into the future. Who better, unless you think they ought to bring in a fortune teller.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
96. LOL
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
Feb 2016

Goldman doesn't need Clinton to tell them the future in a canned speech. They spend millions, if not more, on professional economic and intelligence analysts to tell them that. The purpose of the speeches is to donate to politicians and evade the campaign donation limits and reporting requirements. Also it allows the company to directly donate which would be illegal if they did it the conventional way since it is illegal for corporations to donate to federal campaigns.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
97. I guess when they pay Jimmy Carter, head of Robin Hood Foundation, sports or entertainment icons,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

college professors, Malcolm Gladwell. Bod Woodruff, MSNBC anchor bribed too.

Guess you didn't watch the videos, because you didn't come back saying she said horrible things. You've switched accusations from speech text to well the fees were bribery.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
105. Do they pay Carter, etc. $675,000?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 06:39 PM
Feb 2016

Assuming he ever spoke there. I certainly don't take your word for it. The Clinton speeches were made to Goldman execs -- not to clients as you claimed. No need to entice people to come there as you claimed.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
58. A symptom of the problem, for sure. So how do we fix it?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has some good ideas, for sure.

Let's hope we preserve the Democracy long enough to fix it...

Baby steps may be in order.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
63. The correct term is BRIBE.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

Calling it "payment for a speech" is a convenient LIE so the bribery can be done legally.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
82. you can't bribe them if you're watching them on youtube, silly!
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016

It's bribery. I'll give you the high speaking fee, and I'll have access to you directly once you're president, senator or whatever.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
90. Imagine if they were being given money in suitcases in motel rooms....
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

To their class it depends on the motel.

If it's a Motel 6? That's bad.
If it's the Drake in Chicago? Perfectly fine.

Better yet it's an electronic transfer into "the foundation".

Do I need to be the first to use the phrase, "money laundering"?

ahimsa

(426 posts)
93. A speech a week for 15 years
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

If I'm reading the numbers right, 729 speeches in less than 15 years, that's an average of a speech a week. That sounds like hard work and very disruptive - it would take a lot of money to convince someone to do that every week for 15 years. Think of all the time they had to spend preparing, and travelling, and coming up with new material. Think of all the money they had to spend on travel for themselves and a small army of secret service agents (assuming it wasn't provided by the venue or the government). I think this speech-making business is a lot more interesting than what they might have said to the few banks they included. With all that, I'm not convinced it's a bad thing for a .1%er to be doing. There are a lot of worse things that can be done. That money may be better off in the Clinton's hands than wherever it came from.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
118. I don't recall accusing either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton of anything,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:43 AM
Feb 2016

so I don't understand what your response means.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
119. You blamed Sander's supporters.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:55 AM
Feb 2016

I see the HRC supporters smear Bernie in here all day long. I also see HRC do it herself. Up to and including sending her progeny out to do it for her.

Way to stay classy.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
120. Not the same thing.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:02 AM
Feb 2016

By the way, while I support Hillary, I have NEVER said a bad word about Bernie Sanders, who I admire very much. I only have a problem with his supporters who think they are going to change anyone's mind with these attacks.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
122. Great to hear.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

Hope you come over to the Bernie camp eventually. I can't say that I admire Hillary. She'll say whatever she thinks you want to hear. I have just seen her lie too many times. Nor do I think she is a leader on anything. She did not come out in favor of SSM until it was "safe" to do so.

She is no trail blazer.
To me she is a human wind sock and I would still need a 2nd opinion before I believed she was telling me which way the wind was blowing.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
124. Well,
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:59 AM
Feb 2016

If you see the truth as smears; then it explains how you can support someone that did not support you until it was politically safe to do so.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
133. The speeches are irrelevant. It's the backroom conversations after the speech that matters.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 04:03 PM
Feb 2016

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
127. Can't thank you enough ...
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 05:30 AM
Feb 2016

... for breaking this news.

Until now, no one has ever posted a single OP on this topic.

Now that this news is finally out there for everyone to see, I'm sure Hillary will have no choice but to drop out of the race in shame.

THIS is the game-changer, my friends. Count on it.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
130. Nice to know that we have a candidate
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:54 AM
Feb 2016

who is smart enough that people will pay that much to hear what she has to say!

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