Donald Trump Raises Suspicions About Justice Scalia's Death

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Source: People for the American Way-Right Wing Watch

Earlier today, Donald Trump chatted with far-right radio host Michael Savage, who has been voicing doubts that Justice Antonin Scalia died of natural causes, suggesting that foul play was involved.

When Savage wondered if Scalia was "murdered" and asked Trump if he would support a Warren Commission-style investigation into the late justice's death, Trump said that while he doesn't have enough information to comment on whether Scalia was murdered or not, he said it was "pretty unusual" that he was found with "a pillow on his face."

In the past, Trump has touted InfoWars radio host Alex Jones, a foremost Scalia truther.



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Trump adopts the latest tinfoil nuttery and comes out as a Scalia deather while on Michael "Savage" Weiner's show.

Maybe he can get his supposed crack team of birth certificate investigators to come back from Hawaii and look into it

If we had a media worth a damn, they'd rip him to pieces for this irresponsible rhetoric.

Instead, he'll get yet another pass, and will be checking in for his morning tongue bath from Joe and Mika tomorrow.

[Xipe Totec]

1. No, I'm pretty sure he's dead. nt

[thucythucy]

39. "and he's not only merely dead

he's really quite sincerely dead."

[SCantiGOP]

85. someone else posted on DU

That if they heard a man of almost 80, who was known to be a heavy drinker and smoker, had just eaten a fat-laden meal and then died in his sleep.............that his first thought would be: Murder Most Foul!

[NWProf]

89. But he had a pillow on his head...!

OH, upon further reading I see it was above his head and not on his face. I suppose that could make a difference, though maybe not to Michael the Savage Weiner.

[yellowcanine]

61. Lovely plumage though.

[AllyCat]

107. Bonus points for M. Python reference!

[randys1]

2. More importantly didn't he say something today about the RNC not being fair to him?

time for 3rd party run, guaranteeing WH to us

[jalan48]

3. Fat Tony's family declined to have an autopsy. Maybe his own family murdered him?

The plot thickens......

[forest444]

5. Bingo. You're definitely in touch with your inner Hércule Poirot.

Scaliar had invited one of his scumbag sons to the orgy outing; but he declined to come along for "family reasons."

It might be nothing, sure - but it's at the very least suspicious. I'd look closely at any disputes having to do with inheritance.

[Peregrine Took]

14. But whom was Fat Tony's guest?

I haven't seen the name anywhere.

[RussBLib]

19. a gay prostitute, perhaps?

after all, Fat Tony was pretty anti-gay.

[jalan48]

20. Ah yes. A late night visitor bearing an extra-large pillow. Fat Tony had a big head. Hmmmm.

[dflprincess]

27. Not necessarily a guest

the Rude Pundit was hoping it would be auto-erotic asphyxiation while watching Gay porn.

[MissDeeds]

114. OMG

It will take forever to get that image out of my head.

[3catwoman3]

31. I thought autopsies were mandatory...

...if someone dies somewhere other than a hospital/long term care facility.

[jalan48]

33. No-apparently they just asked his family and they said no.

[passiveporcupine]

37. No, if his doctor says it was a natural death, that's usually good enough

My ex died this year, in his sleep, and his doctor came to declare his death. He knew his history and knew it was natural causes. I'm betting Scalia had some health issues related to his heart, weight, and age that his doctor was watching.

[bananas]

46. The doctor didn't see Scalia's body, declared it natural causes anyway. nt

[passiveporcupine]

71. I don't know who declared Scalia's death

I was referring to a post about needing an autopsy.

In Scalia's case, someone had to see him and declare his death, and a doctor cannot do that without seeing the body.

Maybe you have a link to your statement?

[bananas]

87. Texas is different - the doctor doesn't need to see the body.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-tv-station-scalia-died-of-a-heart-attack/2016/02/14/938e2170-d332-11e5-9823-02b905009f99_story.html

The death of Antonin Scalia: Chaos, confusion and conflicting reports

By Eva Ruth Moravec, Sari Horwitz and Jerry Markon February 14

<snip>

Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara pronounced Scalia dead of natural causes without seeing the body — which is permissible under Texas law — and without ordering an autopsy.

<snip>

Meanwhile, Guevara acknowledged that she pronounced Scalia dead by phone, without seeing his body. Instead, she spoke to law enforcement officials at the scene — who assured her “there were no signs of foul play” — and Scalia’s physician in Washington, who said that the 79-year-old justice suffered from a host of chronic conditions.

“He was having health issues,’’ Guevara said, adding that she is awaiting a statement from Scalia’s doctor that will be added to his death certificate when it is issued later this week.

<snip>

Guevara also rebutted a report by a Dallas TV station that quoted her as saying that Scalia had died of “myocardial infarction.” In an interview with The Washington Post, she said she meant only that his heart had stopped.

“It wasn’t a heart attack,” Guevara said. “He died of natural causes.”

<snip>

[passiveporcupine]

101. Woah! That is scary!

I'm so glad I don't live in Texas.

[dorkzilla]

54. Big fat 79 year old smokers are walking miracles

He probably should have died 10 years ago. One of my employees just lost his Dad 2 days ago to smoking...his dad wasn't quite 53.

[passiveporcupine]

72. My ex had been a smoker his whole life until the last ten years or so

And while he wasn't overweight, he had vascular problems and high blood pressure, due to his smoking history. It was just a matter of time. And he only made it to 66.

I hope someday that cigarettes have become a thing of the past...they are so deadly. I have asthma because of second hand smoke from my Mom and my ex.

[Person 2713]

104. I have a few close to me that are addicted . They have tried so many times to stop.

I too wish for a future where cigarettes are a thing of the past.
One of my friends also has asthma from living in a smoke filled house

[33taw]

68. The judge could have ordered it regardless of the family wishes, she chose not to.

[LanternWaste]

110. There is no clear reason for her to have ordered it.

In rural Texas areas, a justice of the peace typically makes the determination of the cause of death in cases when no witnesses were present. An inquest by phone is as valid as one in person under state law. Presidio county Judge Guevara was 60 miles away.

If you have a 79-year-old overweight person and you have a statement from the physician and zero indicators of foul play, then it's not unusual for there to be no autopsy. Judge Guevara spoke with Scalia's doctor on the day he was found dead. The doctor told her that Scalia had a history of heart trouble, high blood pressure and was considered too weak to undergo surgery for a recent shoulder injury.

Guevara said the attorney for Scalia told her the family did not want an autopsy performed because they believe he died of natural causes and they preferred not to delay his body's return to them. Guevara said she consulted with Scalia's physician and the sheriff before deciding.

There is no clear reason for her to have ordered it.

[33taw]

69. The Judge who pronounced him dead could have ordered an autopsy, but chose not to.

[louis-t]

70. It depends on which state.

Laws are different from state to state. In Michigan, autopsy is required if someone dies somewhere other than hospital.

[restorefreedom]

49. i thought autopsies were mandatory in unattended deaths. nt

[pinboy3niner]

53. It probably depends on the meaning of 'unattended' in state law

If someone is attended by a physician within a certain number of hours of death, the death may not meet the definition of "unattended," depending on state law.

Scalia reportedly had multiple chronic health conditions and had seen his doctor just before flying to Texas--reportedly to clear him to make the trip.

[restorefreedom]

58. ok. i am sure with multiple health issues, this was not a complete shock to his dr nt

[William Seger]

4. Not surprising, given that Trump's act is a caricature of Jesse Vetura (n/t)

ETA: Using the cui bono reasoning that conspiracy theorists prefer, almost everyone in the country is now suspect.

[Demit]

10. Cui bono is a solid principle. Who has motive is a big part of solving crime.

But your main point stands. We all benefit

[William Seger]

18. Cui bono is a solid principle for identifying suspects

Conspiracy theorists miss the next step: finding evidence.

[billhicks76]

22. Stupid Comment

Ventura is a decent person and understands that we are constantly being fed bullshit and oh my conspiracies can actually exist. Trump is an idiot. Don't make this about people unwilling to challenge their precalibrated belief systems. You know liberal used to be a bad word too. I'm very tired of coincidence theorists. Try and remember not to be prejudiced and that 500000 people are in prison on "conspiracy" charges.

[billhicks76]

23. And Scalia Was 89

These idiots don't realize people have heart attacks? There is no reason to murder Scalia. Ridiculous.

[dflprincess]

28. 79

but I believe the coroner confirmed with his physician that he had some heart problems.

[billhicks76]

52. Sorry...My Bad

[bananas]

47. It wasn't a heart attack, according to the doctor. nt

[ProfessorGAC]

76. My GF Died of Congestive Heart Failure

Not a heart attack, but just as deadly. And, of course, a major problem as one ages.

So, it could still be heart related, just not a thrombosis.

[bananas]

86. The doctor "said she meant only that his heart had stopped."

Condolences about your GF, my mother had congestive heart failure, the medications prolonged her life but caused so many other problems for her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/texas-tv-station-scalia-died-of-a-heart-attack/2016/02/14/938e2170-d332-11e5-9823-02b905009f99_story.html

The death of Antonin Scalia: Chaos, confusion and conflicting reports

By Eva Ruth Moravec, Sari Horwitz and Jerry Markon February 14

<snip>

Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara pronounced Scalia dead of natural causes without seeing the body — which is permissible under Texas law — and without ordering an autopsy.

<snip>

Meanwhile, Guevara acknowledged that she pronounced Scalia dead by phone, without seeing his body. Instead, she spoke to law enforcement officials at the scene — who assured her “there were no signs of foul play” — and Scalia’s physician in Washington, who said that the 79-year-old justice suffered from a host of chronic conditions.

“He was having health issues,’’ Guevara said, adding that she is awaiting a statement from Scalia’s doctor that will be added to his death certificate when it is issued later this week.

<snip>

Guevara also rebutted a report by a Dallas TV station that quoted her as saying that Scalia had died of “myocardial infarction.” In an interview with The Washington Post, she said she meant only that his heart had stopped.

“It wasn’t a heart attack,” Guevara said. “He died of natural causes.”

<snip>

[William Seger]

34. Yep, conspiracies can actually exist

... but "conspiracy theories" that are proved to actually exist are just called "conspiracies," and conspiracy theorists have a spectacularly bad track record for detecting them.

[justhanginon]

6. All the reports I read stated that he had the pillow on his head.

There is a big difference between saying the pillow was on his face rather than on his head for conspiracy nuts. Countless people sleep with the pillow on their head for varying reasons.

[Myrina]

78. ... and I read a couple that said he was found on the floor, and moved to the bed ...

... " as if he woke up, started to get out of bed, and keeled over" .... which would seem more likely given his age & general health.

[rurallib]

7. I did it with a meatloaf in the kitchen at midnight

[redwitch]

9. That sounds dirty.

[rurallib]

11. you're right it does

I meant I killed Saclia - oh never mind

[redwitch]

12. I did figure it out after a second or two.

But my mind went right into the gutter initially.

[Judi Lynn]

16. He ate the whole meatloaf, right out of the oven? That would do it. n/t

[rurallib]

17. my special onion and ketchup sauce

[bananas]

48. Meatloaf for dinner again?

Paradise by the kitchen lights?

[houston16revival]

8. Trump's moved from Birther to Deather?

Good Lord, he really does have a problem with accepting reality,

or maybe it's just that he creates his own reality after a life of

answering to no one.

[watoos]

13. It was a hunting trip

was Cheney there? Just saying, they are cremating the body, is it to hide the buckshot?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

25. To hide the fact that his Rx was not in his system...

... 7-14 pills a day, "so my heart doesn't go kaput", is a standard statement these days. Pills mixed up, replaced with sugar? We will never know.

[dflprincess]

29. Wouldn't they hear the buckshot rattling in the urn? nt

[Marthe48]

93. My husband suggestes Scalia heard Cheney was coming

and died of a heart attack.

[moreland01]

15. The butler did it!

Yes, if I murdered someone with a pillow I'd leave the pillow right where it was. Reverse psychology.

[mainer]

21. Did he or did he not have a pillow on his face?

Is there a trustworthy source for that info?

What surprised me was how sloppily Texas handles unattended deaths. No official saw the body in situ? No investigator looked at the body before calling the death a myocardial infarction? Was blood drawn for a toxicology screen?

I'm starting to suspect that the death was so sordid, no one wants to reveal the circumstances. Was it autoerotic asphyxia, and they're trying to protect his reputation and his family? Did he die of a drug OD?

Is this why his family doesn't want an autopsy?

[pinboy3niner]

73. The ranch owner now clarifies that the pillow was over Scalia's HEAD, not his face

This is just being reported today after the ranch owner clarified this to a CNN reporter.

[turbinetree]

24. I just wonder if this oligarchy is going to ask......................

this spin doctor to be his choice for Vice - President any day now, because it seems that they have performed the mind meld

[dflprincess]

26. "Warren Commission-style investigation"...

Yeah, that would lay all doubts to rest.

[Kip Humphrey]

30. I do believe his supposed crack team of birth certificate investigators are in Canada at the moment.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

55. I think his crack-head team of investigators is still in Kenya ...

... doing a HUGH investigation.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294210-d455736-Reviews-Voyager_Beach_Resort-Mombasa_Coast_Province.html

[d_legendary1]

32. All this gangster talk and pillows makes me think of this

[JudyM]

35. Who among us wants to pay for yet another rethug inquisition? Or inquest, in this case.

[Turbineguy]

56. No problem

Republicans can stop school lunches for poor kids to pay for it. Besides, who knows, maybe he was getting a BJ. One never knows and to Real Christians, these things are worth finding out about. Get Ken Starr in there and tell him he can spend even more than last time.

[JudyM]

62. It does seem a little weird... 3 hours went by after they knocked on his door....

they were assuming he was in the shower that whole time? Especially being there with a "friend" you'd think the friend would get on top of things a little quicker. Or were they all drinking mimosas and not paying attention?

[Separation]

79. lol

The "friend" may have been on top of things to begin with. Which is why it may have taken so long for them to get their story straight.

[JudyM]

81. Mebbe so. Sumthin, fo' sho'. Nt

[oberliner]

36. This is now a mainstream view among the right

Every one of their radio shows and websites is asserting this.

[SoapBox]

38. ...he's nuts.

What a disgrace.

[SDjack]

40. Dr. D. Trump, MD, Coroner of Cowshit, Texas: "Looks pretty unusual" that he was found

with "a pillow on his face."

[truthisfreedom]

41. Because any murdurer would leave the pillow

On his face.

[olddad56]

43. my thought exactly...

but if he was offed, I'd put my money on either the Bush crime family, or someone in the shadows that backs Trump.

[ffr]

42. Reading again.

Is there an end to the looniness?

[C Moon]

44. I'm sure I'm not alone: I knew when I first heard the news of his passing...

conspiracy theories would be close behind.

[BlueStater]

45. Because, as we all know, elderly, overweight men NEVER simply die of natural causes.

God help us all if this orange fool is able to bullshit his way to the Oval Office.

[restorefreedom]

50. professor plum in the study with the candlestick. nt

[PatrickforO]

51. The pillow thing is interesting.

Also that the family waived autopsy.

But, hey, ding, dong the witch is dead!

[LanternWaste]

111. Both the pillow and family's waiver are typical.

Both the pillow and family's waiver are typical.

[Delphinus]

57. If we had a media worth a damn ...

Yep, as there are way too many things they should have been bringing into question. The only ones worth listening to are out of the mainstream.

[librechik]

59. what kind of hit man leaves the pillow?

I'm surprised he wasn't found wearing a tutu and covered with tiger stripes.

[Jim Lane]

65. How do you know that he WASN'T "found wearing a tutu and covered with tiger stripes"?

It would've been hushed up. We'll never know.

[librechik]

98. heh--"please let it be gay autoerotic asphyxiation, Please let it be gay autoerotic asphyxiation"

they're reading my mind

[Jim Lane]

100. The Freepers are all howling for an autopsy and a full investigation.

Maybe we should be agreeing with them.

[Raster]

60. Seriously? A 79-year old fat man that smoked like a chimney and drank?

It's actually a miracle that Fat Tony lasted as long as he did. The only thing that killed Scalia WAS HIS LIFESTYLE.

[Dopers_Greed]

64. Wait...this guy's name is really "Savage Weiner"?

Heh heh heh heh...

[LannyDeVaney]

66. If they find the cannoli, they'll find the killer ...

But they better hurry because it appears President Obama is stealthily taking them out one by one. I don't know how they sleep at night knowing they could be next.

[Raster]

67. Actually, it was a conspiracy... cannolis, Marlboro Lites-R, and Dago Red.

[ThoughtCriminal]

80. Leave the pillow, take the canoli.

Seriously. They think somebody smothered him and left the pillow on his face?

[Raster]

84. The only thing that smothered Scalia was doublechins numbers four, five and six.

[PatrynXX]

74. yeah I suppose he's also one of many LIBERALS who believe Dick Cheney brought down the

oh wait nevermind

[Wibly]

75. Considering who he was with

Well, considering he was on a hunting trip with all his Repub buddies, perhaps it was one of them who did him in!

Come on man, the guy was in his late 70s, out of shape, a smoker. Its more of a suicide than a murder.

[trillion]

77. Okay, he's seemed delusional all along. Yet another completely good reason he should never be

president.

[djg21]

82. was he hunting with Dick Cheney?

NT

[Vinca]

83. What total wingnuttery. Can't a 79 year old die of natural causes in their sleep anymore?

[olddots]

88. quick everone

Come up with an alibi .

[Crowman1979]

90. A natural death is almost guaranteed if your over 75 and morbidly obese.

Same thing happened to that scumbag Jerry Falwell.

[former9thward]

96. Everyone dies some natural death unless it is a violent act.

Do you have some other plan?

[LanternWaste]

112. Many accidents are neither violent nor natural.

Many accidents are neither violent nor natural.

[former9thward]

115. Maybe you can give some

examples of an accident which leads to death of a human body but is not violent.

[Angry Dragon]

91. Someone should find out where Cheney was

The Dick has been known to shoot people and it is said that Scalia was on a hunting trip ............. just wondering

[DesertRat]

92. An overweight smoker drops dead at 79

Shocking!!!

[humbled_opinion]

94. LOL Trump is Alex Jones clone

Birther, Truther, now deather .... LOL

[GuardianOne]

95. Trump is right to be concerned!

Scalia might have stolen the pillow from the Trump Hotel.
This gives a new meaning to Trumped up charges. This isn't just fluff. This is a pillow case.
This is an X file.👽👾
I actually have the feeling it might be an XXX File.
Trump's making a blanket statement.
I'm going now.








Bernie!👓

[JackRiddler]

97. Yes!

Do it Donald! Keep this up!

[24601]

99. Of course, I had almost forgotten. Didn't Trump get his MD and board certification in Diagnostic

Pathology and publish about a half-dozen post-doc books before giving up medicine as "too boring"? In the same year, didn't he win both the Nobel for Medicine and the Pullitizer for best illustrated Children's Medical Book: "Playing Doctor with Your First Cousin"? My recollection is that he was the role model on which Doogie Howser was based.

So the FBI should jump right on this one cause he's the only candidate smart enough to spot a murder conspiracy.

No, I'm not going to tag it sarcasm - it's satire.

[Pauldg47]

102. Actually this could help Obama get his nomination ....Trumps Repuk competition despise him.

[Pauldg47]

103. Actually this could help Obama get his nomination ....Trumps Repuk competition despise him.

[wordpix]

105. thinking it might have been a Nelson Rockefeller death

he died while screwing a hooker or someone...

[Helen Borg]

106. It was not on his face...

...

[Zambero]

108. And when will we be seeing Obama's university diploma?

Huh, Harvard Law Review? Now what the hell is THAT and am I supposed to be impressed?!

[NastyRiffraff]

109. It was only a matter of time

before someone came up with a conspiracy to murder. Naturally, it was Trump. Naturally, some people will believe it (including some on DU).

[bklyncowgirl]

113. If I smothered someone with a pillow, I'd make sure I didn't leave the murder weapon on his face.

It's a bit of tinfoilhattery for sure.

I know, maybe he was wacked by REPUBLICANS who left the pillow on his face to set of this sort of crazy speculation.