Activist Dolores Huerta’s account of being silenced at Nevada caucus called into question

[fbc]

Source: Raw Story

Huerta originally made the allegation on Twitter, saying, “I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced.”

Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses’ union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for “English-only” during the event, and not any Sanders supporter.

Update, 8:16 p.m. EST: Huerta went into more detail regarding the incident in an interview with CNN.

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”



Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/

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Huerta's statements were contradicted by others in attendence and now Huerta herself is walking back her original statement.

You could argue that the Bernie supporters should not have asked for a neutral translator. But this is someone who was willing to spread a blatant lie via twitter to disparage Sanders supporters so I'd say they were prescient in asking for a neutral translator.

[retrowire]

1. Caucuses suck. That is all. nt

[Agschmid]

16. This... so much this...

[retrowire]

22. Thank god I live in a primary state.

It's just much less complicated and more straightforward. LESS human error is involved. No one can tweet, "I was casting my ballot and a Bernie supporter chanted, "no mexicans"" and cause so much confusion.

Caucuses are just too damn problematic. I'm learning that fast.

[Merryland]

126. yes - never realized that

until watching the Iowa caucuses (online) & the insanity in Nevada.

[mountain grammy]

48. For sure!

Mine is on super Tuesday. I'm beginning to dread it. It'll be my daughter's first. I hear our precinct captain is for Hillary, and I know at least four of us going are for Bernie. We have, maybe, 3 delegates.

[Enthusiast]

83. I apprecite you efforts.

[mountain grammy]

92. I'm so excited! I'll be glad when it's over.

Just gave $25 to Bernie. That felt good.

[Enthusiast]

95. I feel good when I donate.

At least it's something. I wish I could give more.

[PatrynXX]

75. they do not

Primaries suck. still get shouts except you have to face the BS outside. Primaries are lazy BS can't stand them.

[DeadLetterOffice]

81. Caucuses discourage particpation from voters who:

are homebound (more likely to be poor)
are unable to get off work during caucus hours (more likely to be poor)
are disabled (more likely to be poor)
have transportation issues (more likely to be poor)
elderly (more likely to be poor)

Right. Caucuses ROCK.

[silvershadow]

76. And the PTB discovered fairly recently there was more room for not only shenanigans, but also

obfuscation when they go the caucus route. Which also is why they expanded in recent years instead of just being a quirky aberration.

[LiberalElite]

2. Is there a list somewhere of all the lies from

Her side? It's gotta be a doozy.

[elleng]

3. Misunderstandings happen ALL the time,

and the astonishing part is how quickly SO MANY will throw WHOMEVER under the bus SO QUICKLY!

[JimDandy]

60. Yes the Hillary camp keeps throwing Bernie under the bus with lie after lie

It's simply disgusting at this point. And then her supporters put up thread after thread supporting Huerta, instead of condemning her bold-faced lie, even in the face of video evidence.

[elleng]

63. My complaint is that Dolores Huerta was and has been thrown under the bus

ABSENT evidence, and I view this as extremely disappointing.

[Chakab]

79. Now that there is evidence that her account of what happened was false, do you have any comment

on her attempt to incite a shitstorm by slandering fellow Democrats?

[elleng]

86. I suspect what you refer to as her 'account' has been misunderstood,

yet the 'shitstorm' you refer to continues.

[Chakab]

90. How am I misunderstanding what she, herself wrote on Twitter?

[Bluenorthwest]

123. In 08 she said Obama refused to meet Latino activists, that he lacks courage and judgement and

that his supporters in Nevada oppressed and suppressed the Latino vote. She said those things to promote Hillary.

How valid do you think her Obama criticisms were? Lacks courage and judgment? Suppressor of votes?

[BeanMusical]

130. She has no credibility at all.

[Lizzie Poppet]

134. How can you "misunderstand" 140 characters of simple, straightforward language?

Bullshit. Huerta lied (and not for some noble reason, but for partisan politics). All the denial in the world won't change that.

[JimDandy]

88. Your response is exactly what I am talking about.

Absolutely no condemnation of her for maligning Bernie Sanders on pupose. And what do you mean evidence? Huerta made the lying accusation. She should have been the one providing the evidence. If someone hadn't taken that video, we would have been left having to prove a negative. People there said she was lying, before the video came out. And all of you belived her instead of them, without any evidence!

So, are you going to condemn what she did?

[7962]

107. She LIED & when she got caught she "revised" her story. Like liars do.

She deserves to be tossed under the bus and thrown out of whatever position she is in.
ANOTHER liar, disparaging people supporting a different candidate than she did.

[newthinking]

109. So it was the moderator that decided "english only" instead of working a compromise

So why is "Bernie's supporters" being blamed. The heat should be on the moderator.

This sounds like Dolores lost perspective and took this not only personally, but made it a partisan issue.

If we had an impartial and accurate media this would not be a problem and they would simply offer what happened. The trouble is we do not have an impartial media and in fact the media prefers to misreport and make hysteria and in the process "alter the reality".

[bkkyosemite]

4. This meme that Bernie supporters are horrible is just that a meme

We are caring people, we want justice, we want care for all, we want our government back. It's our democracy...we are not rude...we are definite about what we want.

[pkdu]

6. Will you vote for HRC if she is the nominee ? Too many on here wont .nt

[JonLeibowitz]

20. We're pretty sick of loyalty pledges. It's condescending and rude. n/t

[pkdu]

29. Didnt ask you ( and Im still not)

and didnt realize you spoke for all Bernie supporters , duly noted.

[JonLeibowitz]

32. I think I do speak for most Bernie supporters on DU when I say we are sick of damn Loyalty pledges

[frylock]

57. You speak for me.

[m-lekktor]

67. you speak for me. nt

[shanti]

73. +3

i'll join y'all.

[Le Taz Hot]

82. Not only do you speak for me

I'd like to add that it's nobody's fucking business who I vote for.

[Enthusiast]

87. Sick of.

[TIME TO PANIC]

97. Thank you, I am sick of damn loyalty pledges. n/t

[RichVRichV]

106. Thank you. I'm tired of demands for loyalty pledges.

A person's vote is their own right and responsibility and belongs to no one else.

[yourpaljoey]

113. me too

[davidthegnome]

125. Absolutely.

Speaking for me there, too.

[Lizzie Poppet]

132. For me, as well.

And no, I'm not voting for Hillary unless it looks like my state is actually in play (about as likely as the sun rising in the west).

[ms liberty]

135. Add me to that list.

Before Bernie announced his candidacy, indeed IIRC before Hillary had announced hers, there were HRC supporters who were demanding a loyalty pledge from anyone expressing non-support of HRC as our nominee. Some of the posts bordered on harassment, where members were chased and threatened with the TOS, and warned that there were lists being kept of those who did not promise loyalty when HRC became our nominee. And that's where this all began, and it went downhill from there. I've been lurking since 01 and a member since 03; I'm here every day and I've never seen DU this acrimonious or rife with dirty politics except in 08. It's ugly and it has no place in the party of FDR, JFK and RFK, or any party that claims to associate itself the beliefs of other progressive leaders and activists such as MLK.
Hillary has never been the most preferred candidate on DU, in 08 or now, and that infuriates some members who support her. Well, you know what infuriates me? Bullies. Harassment, intimidation; disinformation and misinformation. And that's what this whole loyalty pledge business is about.

[Coventina]

149. Yep. Add me to the list. I am sick of this demand of loyalty.

I don't live in a battleground state. It's deep red, and if they put up a stuffed elephant as the Republican nominee it would win.

It doesn't matter who I vote for, so I'm reserving that choice for myself in the privacy of the voting booth.

[Skittles]

154. more of us are sick of this sickening bickering

IT IS DISGUSTING

[Pastiche423]

54. JonLeibowitz speaks for me, too!

[LiberalElite]

39. Will you vote for Sanders if he is the nominee? nt

[bkkyosemite]

44. Do you know how many times that has been asked on DU. It's

like people are waiting in the wings to get others alerted.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

127. You mean tombstoned.

They're all trying to get enough people to say things that will allow Skinner to banish most of the Bernie supporters if/when Hillary gets the nod. It's blatant.

[MisterFred]

108. No.

I don't live in a battleground state. Will I vote for Hillary Clinton. No. I would have a month ago. Hell, two weeks ago, I was considering it. She is playing a dangerous game going hard negative with blatant smears and I won't stand for it. No chance in hell I vote for Hillary Clinton.

So far as I can tell, I am in an extreme minority among Sanders supporters in that regard.

[XemaSab]

141. I don't think you're in as much of a minority as you think

[appalachiablue]

25. Along with witnesses comments, here's what Snopes added,

Huerta has been extremely outspoken in her support for Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, and in fact was at the Nevada event to stump for her.

Later on 18 February 2015, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other."

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[MaeScott]

157. It's that rovian ploy...attack the opponent's strengths

Sanders has a passionate army of supporters and it's a strength of Sanders. So Clinton et al throw lots of shade and false allegations to discredit and dismiss them. As always just keep calm and carry on. The Clinton establishment will throw untrue shade at EVERY opportunity ...it's how they roll.

Just look at her 2008 campaign.

[pkdu]

5. She didnt "ask" for someone neutral , she screamed like a banshee , repeatedly interrupting a Civil

Rights legend.

[think]

7. You do understand what neutral means don't you?

[pkdu]

10. You do understand what "ask" means dont you?

[think]

14. Yes. I ASKED you a question.

[pkdu]

17. Funny , you "ASKED" it in the same manner as the banshee in the room.

The OP said she "asked"...she did not.

[think]

18. Way to double down....

[appalachiablue]

26. See #25.

[JDPriestly]

68. How else was this person supposed to ask. It was a large room full of people and she was

not in the front of the room.

And the translator should have been arranged before the caucus and should have been a person who was undecided between the candidates.

Nevertheless, I suspect that Dolores Huerta misunderstood what was going on.

How in the world anyone who attends political events on the Western side of the country would think that someone in a crowd would ask for English only is beyond me. All of our political events need to be at least bilingual, Spanish and English, and often multi-lingual. We speak lots of different languages on the West Coast and in Western states.

But Dolores Huerta should have thought that she would not be a good translator because of her support for Hillary.

[scottie55]

11. $1 Says There Is Video....

Let's see.

[appalachiablue]

27. #25.

[Petrushka]

50. There's a video here --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[rockfordfile]

89. It seems that the person lied. She's a Clinton supporter.

[retrowire]

12. Maybe I'm alone in this thought process...

But a Civil Rights Legend is still an equal human to me.

If they are a conflict of interest in the process of a democratic practice and I'm passionate about that, I'd raise my voice as well.

I'll give you an example... Should the ordinary man not stand up to a tyrant? After all! The tyrant is their leader! All I'm saying is, titles mean nothing and neither does reputation.

[Peregrine Took]

33. Are we talking about one crazy person here? WTH? N/t

[frylock]

59. Which has nothing at all to do with the initial allegations.

[AlbertCat]

64. she screamed like a banshee

Uhmmmmm.... no.

No one screamed like a banshee.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

128. So rudeness from a regular person to a 'civil rights legend'

is justification for that 'civil rights legend' to propagate a blatant lie as widely as possible?

Interesting worldview you've got there.

[ms liberty]

138. Great point. n/t

[trillion]

8. Her support of Hillary has tarnished her forever. Hillary CAUSED the refugee crises

Hillary Clinton Cries Crocodile Tears for Latin American Immigrants
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_clinton_cries_crocodile_tears_for_latin_american_immigrants_2016021

Hillary, Plan Colombia Has Been a Drug War Disaster
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-robelo/hillary-clinton-plan-colombia_b_8557396.html


Hillary even had her hand in causing the Syrian refugee crises. She's in the middle of every bad thing going on. This woman is WORSE THAN CRUZ. And I don't say that lightly. Google her. Look at her role in destroying a peace treaty in Syria.
Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html

You Clinton supporters really need to google that woman. It's baaaaaad. I thought cruz was Satan. He doesn't have blood on his hands compared to Hillary.

[pkdu]

15. the hate runs strong in this one. nt

[Wilms]

19. The counter argument runs weak in this one.

[pkdu]

34. The fact that you think disrespecting Dolores Huerta needs "counter argument" says

pretty much all I need to know.

[Wilms]

36. That facts seem to be that wasn't the case.

Huerta walking back her statement is a good indicator.

[trillion]

41. Excuse me? The woman is either severely ignorant about Hillary or bought out now.

Hillary had a big hand in helping cause the immigration crises for Honduras (google it she admits she helped with the coup) and for Columbia(google it.)

She also helped with the blood bath in Syria and causing that immigration crises(GOOGLED IT!)

This woman has thrown her name in the ditch by supporting Hillary. You should hope she revokes that support immediately to save her name.

[The Second Stone]

71. No, you've thrown yours in the ditch.

Dolores Huerta is one of the all time greats. Sen. Sanders is an also ran.

[trillion]

72. Excuse me?

I think you need to google Hillary Clinton on immigration.

The Huffington Post has and so has Salon. The liberal press is putting her info out there.

Supporting Hillary for immigration when she helped cause the immigration crises doesn't help anyone's integrity.

[The Second Stone]

80. That's right, tell people you disagree with what to do

in a haughty tone. I imagine that has the effect you desire.

[Beowulf]

78. Try googling Clinton Foundation and Dolores Huerta Foundation

You find the Clinton Foundation 2010 IRS filing and there on page 34 is a $100,000 donation to the Dolores Huerta Foundation. Even heroes and icons are human.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

[The Second Stone]

85. I've known who Dolores Heurta is for over 40 years

and I am quite pleased with her lifelong activism and the Clinton Foundation's support of it.

That the Berniebros are now trying to drag her name through the mud, a week after doing the same to John Lewis, speaks volumes to me about the Berniebros.

Dolores Heurta is even more a part of California civil rights history than her partner Cesar Chavez was.

That the Berniebros see fit to attack her should indicate to Sen. Sanders that he needs to do something to reign in this cadre of ignorant persons ruining his name.

I suppose that a good portion of the more offensive Berniebros are right wing posers itching to instigate a repeat of the McGovern/Nixon election where they did everything they could to make sure McGovern was the other party's nominee.

[Beowulf]

99. I've known who she is for over 40 years as well.

And I admire her courage, conviction, and suffering for causes I fully support. But her lifelong activism doesn't give her license to lie. Many Bernie supporters have wondered why she would do this to someone who shares so many of her values and causes and support someone who's record on those same issues is at best spotty.

Now if you are implying I'm a Berniebro, I'm deeply insulted by that. Berniebros is an invention of the Clinton machine. I'm a lifelong lefty, my first vote was for McGovern, though even he was too much of a centrist for my taste, and I danced when Nixon resigned. I can't imagine having Henry Kissinger for a friend, or boasting about killing someone, even someone as terrible as Gaddafi. Or sending refugee children back to a country where their lives would be in danger.

Those are not my values and they never seemed to be the values of the Dolores Huerta I knew about those many years ago. I'm dragging her through the mud? Sorry, I didn't tell the lie, she did.

[JimDandy]

98. Dolores Huerta is one of the all-time great

liars, now. A reputation can be, and was, lost in an instant. Sadly, her willingness to lie in order to damage another person, calls into question anything she says from now on.

[The Second Stone]

120. Sez you

the Berniebros will smear anyone's reputation. We see it several times an hour here on DU.

Who am I to believe? Hillary Clinton? Dolores Huerta? John Lewis? Or a bunch of psychos who have never done anything for civil rights or the Democratic party? I haven't seen so much divorce from reality since the Nader lovers.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

129. Why don't you try believing them AFTER they walk back their lies, rather than BEFORE they do?

Both Lewis and Huerta changed their stories after being confronted about them.

Now admittedly, both of their walkbacks were weak sauce that continued to be at odds with actual proof that they were misleading. Huerta was shown to be placing the 'blame' on 'Bernie supporters' for something the moderator said, and Lewis was shown to still be misleading about when he met the Clintons in a book HE wrote, in which he stated that he didn't meet Bill Clinton until 1991.

'Divorced from reality' is ignoring their own walkbacks to pretend that everything was just peachy with their original statements.

[The Second Stone]

147. The only liar here is Sen. Sanders for pretending to be a

big civil rights leader. He wasn't. He's also a liar for pretending to be a Democrat. He has only been a Democrat for one year of his adult life. He's a liar for pretending that Vermont doesn't allow partisan office holders. The senior senator, Leahy, is a Democrat his whole live.

Sanders is a fraud.

I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary, and in the general. Because Sanders is going to lose. He's another Nader.

[ksc]

152. Vermont Website Explains it in Black & White- Read if for yourself

Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?

No. There is no party registration in Vermont.

All registered voters can vote in the primary election—but can only vote on one ballot. You will be given a ballot for each of the major parties. You mark one of the ballots and put the remaining unvoted ballots into a discard bin. Which ballot you chose to vote is private and not recorded (except during the presidential primary, where voters must publicly take one ballot or the other, and their choice is recorded on the entrance checklist).https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx

Along with this-all registered voters in Vermont take an Oath:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter's_oath_or_affirmation

As for your other claims.... It is so easy to look up the facts and know how it works. Leahy is NOT registered as a Democrat-stop making things up!
Sanders has been aligned with the Dems since the start-he is the deciding Democratic vote when the vote is up. That means he has been recognized as a Democrat, when tallying seats for majority/minority-he caucuses Democrat. That's where it counts-and if you are too ignorant to understand this, then you probably shouldn't be arguing on a public board. As for his party affiliation, he is now recognized as a Democrat-similarly to how Leahy is recognized.

[The Second Stone]

153. Sen. Leahy is a Democrat and always has been

you stop making stuff up. Sanders joined the Democratic Party last year to run for President. Are you now claiming that he is a lying oath breaker? Sanders is now a Democrat. According to you, will Vermont now impeach him? Is his past as an avowed and proud socialist now fiction?

[ksc]

156. What don't you understand?

Chill out and try reading it all again. .
You made a claim that Sanders was not a registered Democrat and when I told you that it is impossible to register, with proof from the government website, you then divert this to breaking an oath?? Geez- you are about as true to your assertions, as Hillary. Either that or just not up to understand procedure and reading the details, I was helpful to provide. ALL registered voters in Vermont take an oath.
Again- here is the oath (has nothing to do with party affiliation)
"You solemnly swear (or affirm) that whenever you give your vote or suffrage, touching any matter that concerns the State of Vermont, you will do it so as in your conscience you shall judge will most conduce to the best good of the same, as established by the Constitution, without fear or favor of any person."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter's_oath_or_affirmation

I doubt you care to learn the process, but here you go:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/03/time-bernie-sanders-campaign-confirms-democrat.html

Sanders has always caucused with the Democrats-stop ignoring that fact. He is counted as a Democrat in the Majority/Minority seats and probably has been more true to the Party than many other actual Democrats -with his voting record.

[Lizzie Poppet]

136. You dodged a bullet:

Enjoy your one-vote survival...you won the jury lottery.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:43 PM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I rarely ever vote to hide, but this seems a bit extreme. Calling people psychos just 'cause they support someone else? Clearly this person isn't here for meaningful discussion. Maybe I'm just in an authoritarian mood this morning (didn't have my coffee yet), but this is a hide. To the gulags with this poster!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is nasty enough to pass on to MIRT.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The voters ultimately decide.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Strongly worded, of course, but I think it's a fair question.

[The Second Stone]

146. Welcome to Democracy, where winning by one

is still winning.

[ksc]

150. Insulting my alliances with manufactured BernieBros pushes me out of the voting booth

I am a 50 year old woman, who walked the picket lines with the UFW, alongside Huerta herself, in the 80s. I boycotted grapes for over 20 years (not a huge issue really-but showing my daily dedication to their cause). The fact that Huerta supports Hillary is fine, she did that in 2008 and even nominated her on the Convention floor, but to put out LIES and keep them up in the press and on her twitter account, long after the video has been produced proving otherwise, tells you the character she has taken in this race. I can't fault Clinton for supporting Huerta's organization with a generous donation, even if the org appears to be offline. BUT, propagation of a LIE is assuming that we will tolerate being lied to-and taking for granted our vote.

Last night, one of my heroes died. And to assume that somehow because I care that much about Huerta lying, I must be some manufactured BernieBro insults me just enough to just NOT vote. I won't be missed, I live in a state where the Democratic Party is an ultimate failure. Sadly -that is quite a few states these days. It may be time to re-organize the House & Senate-get away from the majority, minority structure. It is obviously taking too many for granted the way it is now.

[Change has come]

51. I like your signature!

[trillion]

28. Integrity. Show me where this is wrong?

Show me where Cruz has already caused hundreds of thousands to die?

Show me?

I wouldn't vote for Cruz. But I also wouldn't defend someone who has done far worse than him.

[JDPriestly]

70. Since when does telling the truth equal "hate"?

[AzDar]

9. Caucuses suck. Liars suck MORE. Unbelievable...

[Chasstev365]

13. All Part of the Same Pattern

Hillary feels so entitled to the presidency that she is using Nixonian/Rovian tactics to smear and try to destroy Bernie Sanders:

1. Data BS from the DNC (False)
2. Claire McCaskill: (Billionaire Husband) insinuates Bernie is a commie.
3. Bernie is not a faith Jew because he doesn't support Israel enough. (BS)
4. The Civil Rights arrest photo is not really Bernie, (it was) so African American should vote for Hillary.
5. Bernie Supporters supposedly yell in English, yet the video shows otherwise.

This CANNOT be a coincidence! David Brock is playing Karl Rove or Donald Segretti and WE ARE GETTING REALLY SICK OF IT!

[AtomicKitten]

30. They threw out this stink bomb, a totally untrue accusation, like a stink bomb

... to distract from the fact that Camp Weathervane fucking cheated.

That's what happened.

[appalachiablue]

35. L Gutierrez- 'Bernie? that guy? He doesn't like immigrants'. And Castro saying

Bernie hadn't come to Texas when he'd held two huge rallies there, in Houston and Dallas.

John Lewis' comments about Bernie at the CBC's HC endorsement event at the DNC.

And people are being scorched tonight about who they'll vote for.

[Chasstev365]

37. Thanks; Forgot About that One!

[oberliner]

53. You think Hilary herself orchestrated these reactions?

That seems a little far fetched.

[Chasstev365]

56. Hillary and Her Supporters are in a coordinated effort

To smear the Sanders campaign. Remember when she accused Bernie of running a smear campaign against her in the debate? Classic Rove play: project what you do onto your opponent.

[frylock]

62. Please make this an OP.

We can use it to track the ongoing lies.

[Chasstev365]

65. It's in General Discussion

Titled: Please Add on to My List!

[frylock]

66. Sweet!

[mhatrw]

21. ONCE AGAIN, YET ANOTHER HILLASHILL LIES FOR CLINTON!

[Purveyor]

23. Oopsy...

[juxtaposed]

24. I just do not see anyone here whether HRC or BS supporters being racist. It just does not seem to

be a part of us.

[Chasstev365]

31. Where Are All the Hillary Supporters Now?

Crickets. Come on; please tell us how this is just yet another isolated event.

[leftofcool]

105. Standing beside a Civil Rights icon named Dolores Huerta!

[Bluenorthwest]

122. Did they stand besider her in 08 when she said Obama refused to meet with Latinos, that he lacked

courage and judgement, that he and his supporters oppressed and suppressed the Latino vote in Nevada? She said all of that and more. That's her primary style, brutal and insinuating.

So do you stand beside her Obama comments? She said it was all true. She'd never even seen him a a protest....

[geek tragedy]

155. Obama supporters were smart enough to not attack her.

they didn't spam her charity's facebook page with accusations of corruption.

and of course, Obama supporters actually showed up for primary contests.

[greymouse]

38. These women doing dirt to try to get Hillary elected

make me embarrassed to be a woman. They are also symptomatic of everything that is wrong with her and her campaign.

I've been a feminist all my life, but I think Hillary is incompetent and really a disgrace to wonderful Democratic women and indeed all women.

And I can't imagine lying and cheating to get my candidate elected.

Does Hillary realize she's burning down the barn? That with this sort of thing, if she is the nominee, a lot of people will just stay home, or vote Green, say, to keep third parties on the ballot? Probably not.

[fbc]

42. But you can't really blame Hillary for the lies of one overzealous supporter.

I see your point, but I don't think it was a coordinated smear or anything. She probably got caught up in the moment.

[Chasstev365]

49. You're Naive

[greymouse]

124. Steinem, Albright

While Hillary sits behind them and smirks. For sure the campaign is genning this up.

[senseandsensibility]

40. I don't think people understand how common Spanish is

in the southwest. A large percentage of people speak both languages. I seriously doubt if even rightwingers in California would object to a translator.

[TubbersUK]

43. I choose to see it it as a mistake on Dolores Huerta’s part - these things happen

However, I'm pretty nauseated by the behaviour of those who've pounced on the matter and used it to tarnish, bully and brow-beat Sanders and his supporters.

I find that brand of opportunism and dishonesty utterly repellent.

[Chasstev365]

47. It was no mistake!

It's just another coordinate attack by a Democratic establishment that is scared to death by a candidate who, at long last, is telling people the truth.

[Lizzie Poppet]

133. Wait...Huerta's bald-faced lie was a "mistake," but what's really "repellant" is calling her on it?

Jesus fucking Christ...

These things don't just "happen." Lies are deliberate acts.

[TubbersUK]

140. That's not what I said.

Quite the opposite.

I referred to the behaviour of those gleefully criticizing the Sander's campaign as repellent.

[Lizzie Poppet]

144. Ah, I got ya.

Thanks for the clarification and sorry for the undeserved criticism!

[TubbersUK]

145. No problem, done the same myself a few times :)

[MaeScott]

158. She did the same thing to Obama in 2008, lied. nt

[SoapBox]

45. I've seen Susan Sarandon's Tweets, saying what she WAS saying was not true.

Susan was there indeed.

NOW we see the walk back.

Shame people have to do garbage.

p.s...and I assume, because of their own track record, that Camp Weathervane and Corrupt the Record will scream RACIST! I would expect nothing less.

[Don Draper]

46. More shenanigans from the Clinton

camp. It's getting tiresome

[zentrum]

52. Agree.

A partisan translator is a big deal really.

One hears of translators at the UN talking all he time about how easy it is to slant a conversation any way you want.

[PatrickforO]

55. They had the right to ask for a neutral translator, and the NV Dem party SHOULD have had one there

already.

[AlbertCat]

58. The gleeful delight...

..... with which some accepted this now debunked smear of Sanders' supporters was something to behold. Some are still clinging to it.

All these cries of wolf make it hard to take anything like this seriously in the future.

No wonder they wanted a neutral translator.

[JimDandy]

102. Thread after thread of gleeful delight by Clinton supporters

every time these lies about Sanders first appear. But as soon as they are debunked, there is no condemnation from them of the liar. Instead, threads appeared praising each of those Clinton supporters who maligned Sanders. It's become theatre of the absurd at this point.

[Hissyspit]

61. .

Confusion at a large raucous gathering of human beings.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291321

Susan Sarandon ‏@SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

snip

"A video posted online on Saturday purports to show Huerta being shouted down by Sanders supporters, but no “English-only” chants are distinguishable, although one person can be heard yelling, “Neutral.” Another person can be heard saying “Pero necesitamos Español” (“But we need Spanish”) from behind the camera, as well as, “It’s Dolores Huerta, my goodness.” The video can be seen below."

snip

"However, another attendee at the event has challenged Huerta’s statements. Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses’ union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for “English-only” during the event, and not any Sanders supporter. "


SNOPES:

Flickr
CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via Twitter, February 2016]


ORIGIN:On 20 February 2016, the Nevada Democratic caucuses ended in a victory for Hillary Clinton. Not long after that, actress America Ferrera tweeted that that supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only!" at longtime civil rights activist Dolores Huerta (who had apparently offered to translate from English to Spanish at an event at Harrah's casino on the Las Vegas strip), objecting to a translation of remarks from English to Spanish:


Shortly thereafter, Huerta tweeted:


Huerta initially didn't specify how she identified the chanters as Sanders supporters. We spoke to Erin Cruz, who was present at the rally with a nurses' union to support Sanders:


Cruz told us she was accompanied by ten other nurses and actors Susan Sarandon and Gabby Hoffman. Cruz said she was unaware of any recording during the disputed chanting:

@KimLaCapria @brooklynmarie I don't know that anyone was recording, but I would gladly give a statement along with all the other nurses. — Erin Cruz (@neuroticnurse75) February 20, 2016

A video of Huerta speaking surfaced not long afterward:

Huerta has been extremely outspoken in her support for Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, and in fact was at the Nevada event to stump for her.

Later on 18 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

[Kall]

69. I'm detecting a pattern here.

[Enthusiast]

94. Ya think?

[SunSeeker]

74. She WAS silenced. The Bernie supporters wouldn't let her translate. nt

[Matt_in_STL]

77. that wasn't her claim

She claimed they chanted English only, which was a lie. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

[SunSeeker]

103. The OP set the "silenced" goal posts, not me.

The title of this OP is "Activist Dolores Huerta's account of bring silenced at Nevada called into qiestion."

[hughee99]

117. And the first line of the OP is

Huerta originally made the allegation on Twitter, saying, “I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced.”

That's the activist Dolores Huerta's account of being silenced, the one referred to the the OP title. It's the first line of the post. It's being questioned because it contains a significant lie.

[FailureToCommunicate]

84. With due respect, that is not what happened. Attendees are correcting what really took place.

[SunSeeker]

101. Even under Bernie supporters' version, they shouted her down, demanding a "neutral" translator.

All she was doing was trying to translate. No wonder she felt attacked.

[Lizzie Poppet]

137. Caucus rules in NV require a neutral translator.

Huerta isn't neutral, obviously.

And I don't care how agitated she was, it doesn't excuse blatantly lying about what happened on Twitter. This was some disgraceful, ratfucking crap.

[SunSeeker]

143. The moderator asked for a translator from the Caucus goers. nt

[Babel_17]

139. "shouted her down" implies she had things to say, but was prevented from doing so

She offered her services (and that offer was heard), that was objected to, and the moderator ruled.

I can't speak as to her feelings, or what she thinks she heard. But feeling compelled to walk back her claims indicates to me that I should look to other observers for an account of what actually happened.

[Matariki]

111. The MODERATOR wouldn't let her translate because it was against the rules.

Stop repeating made up stuff.

[SunSeeker]

114. No, it is you who is repeating made up stuff.

 Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores 

Scroll down down to the third video.

[Matariki]

115. One Clinton supporter repeating "Bernie is English Only"?

That's what you're talking about?

[SunSeeker]

116. You do not know that. You were not there. nt

[Matariki]

118. Your posts are devolving to "no you are neener neener"

so good night.

[The Second Stone]

148. Don't bother the Berniebros with facts

if they say there is not "English only" phrase, and if you have a video of it, who are you going to believe? Dolores Huerta or the Berniebro who wasn't there? Geez, the Berniebros are a huge bunch of hateful liars.

So Bernie Sanders spoke at a few civil rights rallies back in the 60s and got arrested at least once. That doesn't make him the equivalent of John Lewis or Dolores Huerta. That these Berniebros attempt to smear the reputation of anyone who puts Sanders record in context tells me that they are far removed from reality. Sen. Sanders protested and got arrested in the 60s. But he wasn't a leader of any civil rights movement. For some of his so-called supporters to claim otherwise, and then smear the good names of our living legends makes Sen. Sanders campaign look downright stupid.

[Fearless]

91. She lied. Surprise!

[valerief]

93. Someone who doesn't know the difference between "neutral" and "English only" shouldn't be

translating for anyone.

[ebayfool]

112. That's an excellent point! n/t

[HoosierRadical]

100. I suspected this was a lie

shame on her.

[SciDude]

104. Lies from the Clinton camp, this time Activist Dolores Huerta, seem to be a theme.

Expect more to come from the oligarchs in camp Clinton.

[Matariki]

110. Caucus RULES require a neutral translator.

You could argue that the Bernie supporters were absolutely within their rights to call for a neutral translator. Especially since there were many available.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

119. Caucuses are anti-democratic. They should be done way with, period!

[Bluenorthwest]

121. People I trust are telling a different story, more than one person

I had some truck with Delores when she was with Feminist Majority.
She was very anti Obama in 08, she is the person who officially nominated Hillary in 07. She's very, very strongly a Hillary supporter. In electoral politics she's not really very trustworthy nor consistent. Says she's a socialist democrat but where is that in her endorsement of Hillary over and over again?

On Obama being uncaring about Latinos: " I have been to Chicago many times for many different campaigns that the community there —- the Latino community was there. I have, to this day, to meet Mr. Obama. I have never encountered him in any of these big campaigns that we have done in Chicago on different issues. And, as I say, I have never yet to meet the man. And so, I don’t know about his -—
These people here actually went to see Obama, Senator Obama. So I don’t believe that he has that kind of courage and that kind of judgment. Or let’s say, is it judgment or is it wisdom or whatever? But he chose not to be associated with one of the biggest causes that we have in our community, the cause of Elvira Arellano, the cause of these two young men, where he could have stepped in. They were ultimately freed, by the way, but not with his help.
And it’s interesting that in Nevada, where she got almost 59 percent of the Latino vote, in spite of the oppression and the voter suppression and huge intimidation on the part of the Obama supporters of the Latino casino workers, they voted for Hillary."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

Delores-Obama lacks courage, lacks judgement, and avoids associating with Latino voters whom he oppresses and suppresses at the ballot box........

Her rhetoric is always very pointed and rarely true. She also insisted in that interview that Hillary passed 'a lot of legislation' but she passed 3 bills, none about big issues. That's what the Senate is usually like.

[Babel_17]

131. We need passionate, partisan, supporters

But we don't particularly want them for the role of being unbiased translators.

Thank you for the informative post.

[SusanCalvin]

142. Serious question -

Where did she walk it back? I have not yet been able to find such.

[fredamae]

151. Apparently this isn't the first time?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/21/1488535/-Dolores-Huerta-did-the-same-thing-to-Obama-in-2008