Idaho legislator says trauma prevents pregnancy in rape, incest victims

[brooklynite]

Source: Spokesman-Review

BOISE – Idaho lawmakers ratcheted up the abortion debate Thursday, as one state representative said he believes rape and incest are unlikely to result in pregnancy, and a party-line vote backed one of two bills championed this year by anti-abortion groups.

The bill in question would require women seeking abortions to be given a list of providers of free ultrasounds, and to be told they have a right to such a procedure and to hear a fetal heart monitor.

...snip...

During the hearing Rep. Pete Nielsen, R-Mountain Home, said, “Now, I’m of the understanding that in many cases of rape it does not involve any pregnancy because of the trauma of the incident. That may be true with incest a little bit.”

...snip...

He added, “I read a lot of information. I have read it several times. … Being a father of five girls, I’ve explored this a lot.”

Read more: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/feb/25/abortion-debate-heats-up-in-idaho-statehouse/

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Some people learn from history, and some.....don't

[ghostsinthemachine]

1. How is it that this person got elected?

That's just plain stupid.

[IDemo]

8. Idaho Conservative pictured here -

Sever the tentacles of government.....by supporting legislation!

[randome]

12. That should be an Internet meme right there!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[IDemo]

15. Too late

[leftyladyfrommo]

29. Oh, that's too funny. nt

[HubertHeaver]

37. An amazing sign.

The hard words are all spelled correctly. Even the "damn" is correct.

[0rganism]

47. makes me think the text is photoshopped in

sign has "damn socialists" spelled correctly, which is usually a high % indicator of liberal trolling

[jmowreader]

48. He's from Mountain Home, that's how

Mountain Home considers its Tea Party to be the local hippies. They are conservative in ways you can only dream of.

[Kelvin Mace]

2. He'll probably get away with it this time

and it will be Trump's next talking point.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. The misogynistic patriarchal male supremacist stink is strong in this legislator. nt

[atreides1]

39. That stink!!!

Is strong in the entire Republican party, and what makes that stink even more putrid is that not only are the religionists pushing this crap, but they have atheists, gays, and worst of all other women, as allies!!!

To have conservative men trying to control a woman's right to choose is bad enough, but when other women enlist in this male supremacist cause, that is beyond pathetic!!!

[pandr32]

73. Agreed

The problem is they are indoctrinated--sometimes through religious teachings, through socialization, because they have no self-esteem after years of being oppressed, or because of the fear mongering right-wing propaganda that is so pervasive and coming from media sources that appear to be the norm (such as Fox News).

This social-political deficit is not going away anytime soon.

Republicans have known for decades that in order to ensure power in the face of the on-going efforts of Democrats to grant rights and what Republicans saw as privileges that only some should have, they deliberately courted the "Christian" vote, and began to use their corporate allies to help lobby against these social changes. They also planned to ensure the perpetuation of power through redistricting and through disenfranchisement. Loyal Republicans in Congress were rewarded with plum positions after leaving office, and those who did not push the ideological agenda were treated poorly. On top of that Republicans knew they would have to dumb down the population which they have been successfully doing by de-funding schools and influencing school curriculum, while at the same time taking over the media. Fox News was specifically designed to help Republicans stay in power and to help very rich people and corporations have public support while they shed themselves of impediments such as regulations, oversight, union advocacy, taxes, and responsibilities.

We now have authoritarianism as an okay political platform--supported by those deliberately indoctrinated by Republicans who sought to reaffirm and perpetuate their power.

[Kber]

4. This is so ugly

So what he's saying is "So if you do get pregnant, guess it want really rape then, was it you slut?"



I feel for his daughters.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

23. Apparently he's saying - if you rape someone, beat the crap out of them so they don't get prego.

[Kber]

35. That too.

[getagrip_already]

5. well, if the trauma..

If the trauma is fatal, then that would kind of prevent a pregnancy. So in a way, he is partly correct.

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. Ugh

[Gregorian]

7. In a sane country this should be grounds for immediate disqualification from office.

But this is America, where fascism is taken lightly.

[secondwind]

9. what a jackass.. Tell this to Elizabeth Fritzl, who bore her father several children under

duress and imprisonment.

MORON

[BlancheSplanchnik]

66. Well, regarding incest, he did say it's "a little bit true".

Guess you might could get a little bit pregnant.

[CurtEastPoint]

10. A 77 year old farmer, Mormon, maker of babies....

WTF?

[randome]

11. Is he related to Todd Akin?

And the pregnancy is stopped 'a little bit' in a case of incest?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Shades of Todd Akin and others from 2012 and since

[Dustlawyer]

36. I thought we covered this a couple of years ago, where was this clown?

[jpak]

14. Someone should send him a Bag o' Dicks

yup

[Judi Lynn]

40. He'd probably interpret it as a compliment.

[center]

The knowledgeable Congressman.



Another expert, the human cannonball.[/center]

[gregcrawford]

46. He wears that fruitcake jacket in every photo I've seen of him...

... and ya just gotta love that tie! It's a bird-brain! It's a plain fool! It's Super-Patriot!

I despair for the future of humanity.

[Judi Lynn]

69. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it. It looks as if it smells odd, too, like mothballs.

Surely he has been doing this as a joke.

Unbelievable!

[3catwoman3]

16. Representative Neilsen...

...should have a little chat with former Representative Todd Aiken.

I feel sorry for his 5 daughters.

[bemildred]

17. And if you wasn't traumatized enough to not get pregnant than you must have enjoyed it some,

so it's not rape.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

67. ^^^^^^^^

Tie her up and throw her in the lake. If she sinks and drowns, she's innocent.

If she floats, she's guilty--Get the bonfire ready!!!!

[IDemo]

18. He has issued what I refer to as a "Mobius Retraction"

"I was in error, and I regret it," the representative said. "I stand by [my comments] in this sense: that at that time, that was my knowledge and information. I have since found out somewhat different and so I may have opened my mouth when I shouldn't have."

http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/capitol-watch/rep-nielsen-no-longer-feels-his-comments-about-rape-are-true/58387867

I stand by my retro-active correctness based on bad information and/or ignorance, in other words. He needs to get with the Trump campaign as a speech writer, and soon.

[3catwoman3]

43. "...and so I may have opened my mouth in error."

And probably not for the first time.

[Skittles]

54. "someone let me know how fucking stupid I am"

I feel very sorry for his daughters

[3catwoman3]

19. the comments to...

...the linked article are worth the read.

I wonder if he has 5 daughters because he kept hoping for a son? Like Herman Cain, "I don't have facts to back this up."

[houston16revival]

20. Did he decide

it's an effective form of birth control?

What is he saying, it's a 'beat your wife' bunch?

What a whackjob!

[Downwinder]

21. He knows this by, experience?

Is he fLDS?

[2naSalit]

26. Far more than likely he's

at the very least LDS... he's an elected from Idaho after all. You don't elected without approval from the church in that state.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

22. Haven't we been through this before - seems like deja vu.

[Mendocino]

24. There is no religious means test

to holding public office, however that doesn't preclude what should be a scientific one.

[2naSalit]

27. No means test

that the GP is aware of... doesn't mean there isn't one for certain electorates like those in lds dominated states. We just don't hear about it since the lds secret society does this behind the cloak of religious activity, they usually decide who can get on the ballot and that's that. Was a voter in that state for well over a decade, got real tired of it.

[Mendocino]

31. No doubt that one doesn't "exist"

however a test on scientific grounds should be the precedent. I'm agnostic/atheist, but popular public policy allows a system of fables, fairy tales and faith to dictate the terms. We should be scared, it will only get worse under rw control.

[2naSalit]

32. I don't subscribe

to religion of any kind and having to live within uber religious communities gets really old if you don't engage in the religious stuff... they tend to notice and treat you according to their rules which have no place in governing.

[3catwoman3]

44. I am beginning to think...

...that there SHOULD be a religious test for holding office. Only atheists and agnostics can run for office.

[2naSalit]

49. I think I could agree to that or

at least a morals test. You can have a religion, just don't expect everyone else to march along with that parade. Morals are what seem to be lacking in most every corner of society.

[Nihil]

60. Sadly (and more importantly), there is no *intelligence* means test to holding public office either.

Life would be so much better if that wasn't the case.

[valerief]

25. Why are these assholes allowed to breathe? nt

[2naSalit]

28. Isn't this the same "brainchild"

who asked a real doctor if reproductive organs could be accessed via the digestive system last year?

And I wonder about his statement, “I read a lot of information. I have read it several times. … Being a father of five girls, I’ve explored this a lot.” From what I know about father/daughter relationships when the dad is this clueless... I worry about those five girls and any others with whom he has any kind of contact.

[packman]

30. Posted Yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027646245

[iandhr]

33. I don't know what worse.

His statement or the fact that level of willful ignorance is no longer surprising.

[Oneironaut]

34. Where does this myth come from?

It's been said over and over again. Is it repeated in churches or something? This disinformation must be coming from somewhere.

[HubertHeaver]

38. I heard that one back in the late '70s or early '80s.

"Marriage Encounter" was being pushed heavily back then. People would come back from a weekend with that group chock full of disinformation and renewed religious fervor.

Another group was "Couples to Couples League". Really heavy on religion, light on verifiable information.

[shenmue]

41. What a piece of shit

[Judi Lynn]

42. How can anyone get to his age without being penetrated by at least a glimmer of the truth?

Gotta admire his determination.

[Angry Dragon]

45. "Hello", he says

I am from Idaho, a regressive, and I am an idiot .............. vote for me

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. Because babies only happen when a mommy and daddy love each other very much....

That's the way their parents taught them the birds and the bees.

[Warpy]

51. Anybody that fucking ignorant should be tossed out of office immediately

on the basis of his sheer, mind boggling incompetence as a human being.

[Skittles]

55. with that reasoning, most repukes would get the boot

[different equation]

75. EXCELLLENT POINT

[Kip Humphrey]

52. My guess is ol' Pete has no children!

[dflprincess]

57. Pete says he has 5 daughters

And "has explored this a lot". I don't want to know what he means by that.

[LiberalLoner]

61. +1

[Feeling the Bern]

53. Pete Nielsen (R-Dumbfuckistan) proves again politics is a race to the bottom.

[Dont call me Shirley]

56. WTHolyF!!!!!!

[Monk06]

58. Rape as a natural form of birth control That's a GOP fundy win win

[AllyCat]

59. Another freaky anti-science misogynist

[mdbl]

62. Pete Neilsen needs to go back to planet Cruz

what an effin weirdo on top of his ignorance.

[Loki]

63. I'm from Missouri

When Todd Akin first came out with this GOP lunacy, I spent some time looking for the basis of this medically evil theory and I didn't have to look too far. It comes from the depths of the Nazi experiments on Jewish women during the Holocaust. It's where they came up with this shit, our very own variety.

http://www.rawstory.com/2012/08/akin-rape-theory-rooted-in-nazi-death-camp-experiments/

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Universe, Please forgive my following comment ...

During the hearing Rep. Pete Nielsen, R-Mountain Home, said, “Now, I’m of the understanding that in many cases of rape it does not involve any pregnancy because of the trauma of the incident. That may be true with incest a little bit.”

It would not surprise me in the least if, Neilsen, being a father of five girls, is hoping that what he has been "reading" is correct.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

65. What reading material has he "availed himself of"?

What are the sources? Fox News Women's Health Journal? Concerned Women for America? Southern Baptist Convention? Family Research Council?

[EllieBC]

68. Idaho legislator reveals he failed biology.

What a damn moron!

[robertgodardfromnj]

70. These religious nuts piss me off

They should really mind their own business, since they know nothing about science.

[rpannier]

71. What a twit

His jacket sucks too
Looks like something out of a late 60's Vegas night club act

[Maeve]

74. "Being a father of five girls, I’ve explored this a lot"

Explored...rape? Incest?

And no, it doesn't work like that, idiot.