Sanders camp fires back at Clinton for healthcare comments
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by tammywammy (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).
Source: The Hill
"I don't know where he was when I was trying to get healthcare in '93 and '94," Clinton said, according to New York Times reporter Amy Chozick.
"Literally standing right behind her," Mike Casca tweeted with a photo of Clinton and Sanders during a speech on healthcare.
Others shared an image of a note from Clinton to Sanders thanking him for his "commitment to real health care."
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare
Hillary's trustworthiness polling weakness is a disaster of her own making.

thereismore
(13,326 posts)It's not the 90's anymore!
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)She would just have gotten away with more of her lies.
appalachiablue
(43,522 posts)
TheBlackAdder
(29,454 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)montanacowboy
(6,481 posts)a serial liar running for POTUS?
Either she has some serious brain malfunction or she truly is an out and out liar and says anything to suit her agenda
If she is the candidate, she will not win.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)That 1st possibility is getting more and more credible. I refuse to believe she is evil or stupid. This is very sad.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)reality.
OrwellwasRight
(5,227 posts)She's pissed that he is giving her trouble because it is "her turn." I think all these insults she is throwing at him are much more petulant than they are vicious. The problem is that they add up and are destructive to both her credibility and any support she might want from Bernie supporters if she does win the nomination. Is is possible to disagree agreeably -- but apparently she reserves that for disagreements she has with Republicans.
Vinca
(51,903 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)Pretty pathetic. I pray Bernie prevails and is our nominee for all of us.
TM99
(8,352 posts)This is the second major lie in two days.
Does she not think before she opens her mouth? Does she not realize that others can fact check these comments and revisions?
She is unravelling, and I can't say I am sad to see it happening.
jillan
(39,451 posts)It's astounding.
agracie
(950 posts)and the Reddit, all of which are on the Innertubes. Did you ever see those on that private server?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)tecelote
(5,143 posts)He has her back. Yet, she stabs him in the back.
wolfie001
(4,606 posts)
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Yes, Hillary was very gracious with thank you notes in 1993 to people who said they supported her or in Sanders' case, said they were "committed," but that does not confirm those people actually fought along side her when the going got tough in 1994. I was around in 1993 and 1994. I remember Hillary being brutalized with TV ads run by the insurance companies. I don't remember Sanders defending her on TV or fighting back against the anti-Hillarycare propaganda onslaught. Maybe you have a link?
guitarguybs07
(2 posts)"In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system, according to the records of the administrations task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care. They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. She said, You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that? recalled Himmelstein. And I said, How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people? and she said, Tell me something real.' "
mdbl
(6,188 posts)So the insurance industry should always win because a president actually leading is unreal?
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Bernie telling Hillary to try for his pie in the sky single payer did nothing to help Hillary fight the insurance companies.
The thing is, Bernie did not even fight for single payer in Vermont when the going got tough.
livetohike
(23,379 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Matters more to him than concrete results.
livetohike
(23,379 posts)is ridiculous.
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)Off you go.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)When you finally decide where you want to set them, tell me something real.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)he actually acts on his beliefs.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe Hillary and her supporters should stop trying to rewrite history.
Bernie has been LEADING on this issue for decades. And he still is, long after Hillary sold us out to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)What did he actually DO?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What did she do besides paying lip service and taking no risks?
Oh that's right, after Hillary failed she GAVE UP and sold out to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Hillary did not give up. She kept fighting and got 8 million kids covered under SCHIP.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary 2016: Because we don't deserve better!
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Even Bernie gave up on single payer in Vermont when it came time to fund it with a 12% tax. He knew a 12% tax on the middle class would be toxic to his political career.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie never gave up on anything in Vermont since he's a US SENATOR not a Vermont legislator.
That's also why he introduced legislation in the US Senate.
Facts are such pesky things to Hillary and her supporters.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Yes, Bernie walked away when it came time to enact the 12% tax. All of a sudden it was not his job to speak into a microphone to his constituents.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She sold out while Bernie is still fighting for us.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)She continues to fight for us to protect Obamacare, instead of trashing it like Bernie is doing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.

Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
Damn those pesky facts again!
flor-de-jasmim
(2,205 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)And
You're Welcome.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)What did he actually DO once making that commitment?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She didn't risk a thing and sold out after she failed, meanwhile Bernie is STILL fighting for single payer health care.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... that you're just blathering now, right? ...
... people answer you and you act like a three-year-old who says, "Why?" to every answer ...
... what was Hillary? ... the wife of the President with no official capacity ...
... she thought she could work of the country's health policy with no official capacity ...
... she couldn't and they trounced her ...
... and set back health care for years ...
... oh, and single-payer health care is the only sane way to treat the sick and dying ...
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Is that simple enough for you, dear?
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)I see you have nothing but sexist dismissiveness.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Actually I would use the term "dear" with people of either sex who are disingenuous.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)You just did it to attack me.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Given your strategy...nice glass hammer you got there.
katsy
(4,246 posts)He committed to single payer and supported what Hillary was attempting to do. Your question is the equivalent of friendly-fire. A political stab in the back. Fair game would be: What did Hillary actually "DO".
Stupid question if you understand how congress can obstruct opposition. Civics 101.
If Bernie is elected president, and if we can flip the Senate and maybe the house in his 2nd term... He'll DO as promised or get voted out of office.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)When the going got tough he walked away rather than give support to the 12% tax needed to fund it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What did Hillary do for us while she was there? I mean besides vote for the Iraq war.
katsy
(4,246 posts)Stick to the subject of your op instead of running away from the evidence that he DID in fact support Hillary in 93 & 94.
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)What did he actually DO in 93 and 94 to help Hillary push through Hillarycare? What did he DO to fight back the propaganda the insurance companies were flooding TV and the airwaves with? Talk to an empty chamber in Congress? Tell Hillary she should go for single payer?
katsy
(4,246 posts)They did their best under the circumstances with a hostile congress.
Evidence is given throughout this thread, photos and a ty note from Hillary. Is she LYING? AGAIN?
Petty op. Ignorant also considering your "argument" can easily indict Hillary as a do-nothing. What did she do? Whaaaaaaa
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
kennetha
(3,666 posts)Rather than joining the real fight.
Too good to get his hands dirty
You are just too funny!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.

Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
FailureToCommunicate
(14,460 posts)her? (You would get banned from the Hillary group for implying that, btw.)
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)But what did Bernie actually DO?
Armymedic88
(251 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Armymedic88
(251 posts)See here's my problem with her "plan"... She shot for Hillary care in 93 and got less then what she wanted. So now she is shooting to just improve the ACA.. you know she will get less than what she's calling for that's how negotiations work. So shoot for the stars and maybe you'll land on the moon!!
SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Here is her surrogate Dolores Huerta when asked about Ted's endorsement of Obama: " Hillary Clinton voted against the nuclear waste dumping in Yucca Mountain in Nevada, while on the other hand Barack Obama actually took money from the company that was creating the nuclear waste and wanted to dump it in Nevada. So, you know, I think that that pretty much offsets Ted Kennedys endorsement, because youve got Robert Kennedys children of course, the farm workers union, we were much more closer to Robert, and these are the activists. These are the ones that are out there doing community work, and that they know what Hillary has done in terms of her long history in civil rights, in working for children, working for education. You know, so they know that shes the one that they feel is the best person to run for president."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on
So what? This year Ted's no longer in bed with nuke waste dumping? I mean, it was Bobby who was really close to the Farm Workers.....
berningman
(144 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)And they should be worried. One blatant lie after another, all easily and immediately disprovable by Clinton's own recorded words and documents. Thank you, internet! Talk about hoisted on multiple petards!
Even if her memory is failing, does she have no one competent enough to research these claims before she blurts them out?
Where's faithful husband Bill? Can't he remember either? Or maybe back in 1993/94, he was distracted and otherwise occupied than paying attention to his wife?
greymouse
(872 posts)SunSeeker
(55,463 posts)She thanked him for his "commitment." That does not acknowledge he actually did anything to help her in her fight to get Hillarycare passed.
OrwellwasRight
(5,227 posts)who wants to get on TV to defend the First Lady can? It doesn't work that way. Many MOCs get very little press despite Herculean efforts of their communications staff, particularly in 1993-94, when there weren't so many 24 hour news channels (e.g., no MSNBC, no Fox).
On a more important note, "fighting for affordable healthcare" never has been limited to "defending Hillary Clinton." Most of it means people taking a leadership role in Congress and supporting legal reforms.
If you want to know what Bernie Sanders was doing in 1993-94, try looking at this list of bills he introduced. I find it pretty impressive:
https://www.congress.gov/advanced-search?raw=%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22conditions%22%3A%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22inputs%22%3A%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22field%22%3A%22congress%22%2C%22operator%22%3A%22is%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22103%22%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22conditions%22%3A%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22inputs%22%3A%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22field%22%3A%22sponsor%22%2C%22operator%22%3A%22contains%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22sanders%20bernard%22%7D%7D%5D%7D%5D
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Looks like her campaign is cracking up if this nonsense is getting the OK. Or is it just an echo chamber at the very top?
"Sounds great to me, Madame Secretary, we should run with that!" kind of echo chamber, with no vetting of what ideas come to mind?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I love it when hypocrites are caught in the act.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)maybe PP can make a proxy accusation?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)that she enjoys the feel of shit between her toes.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)her team should know better after all they are soooo experienced.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/
In one email exchange on Jan. 26, 2013, Abedin asks fellow staffer Monica Hanley whether Clinton knows to call Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Hanley replies: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her. Abedin stresses the importance of reviewing the schedule with Clinton: Very imp to do that. Shes often confused.
Its not the first time the word confused has been used to describe the Democratic presidential front-runner and former top diplomat. Clinton herself admits she gets confused and even apologizes to her staff for mix-ups while she was secretary of state On May 31, 2010, Clinton emailed Abedin on the timing of her meetings and travel schedule. After a back-and-forth over the time, she writes: Ok but Im confused since I remember talking w Lona about changing to 8 tonight.
On Sept. 23, 2009, Clinton is emailing with chief of staff Cheryl Mills about an upcoming State Department senior leadership retreat. After reviewing the draft agenda, Clinton was thrown by whether Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg would be there for an earlier presentation. Im confusedwill he be there in am? Can he be urged to reschedule whatever else he has and come?
Huma Abedins description of Hillary Clinton as easily confused tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clintons illegal email server, Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in a statement. In emails Clinton turned over herself to the State Department, she apologizes several times for confusing her staff. The emails show how Clinton, who is often perceived as polished and rehearsed, makes mistakes when emailing about foreign affairs.
A day earlier, Dec. 12, 2009, Clinton apologized for confusing Guinea and Morocco in an email. She sends a note to three staffers, including Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman. Good catch, Jeff! Yestwo issues. there will be a contact group about Guinea that the French want us to be strong on too. Sorry for the confusion.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)this doesn't make sense yet, but David Brock is working on it.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Weakest candidate ever.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
turbinetree
(26,028 posts)and that much money you could at least get your facts straight------------------this is about trust and principles------------------and apparently the kitchen sink isn't enough for her team and crew, it's just flat out lies-------------------------it would be to funny if it wasn't so serious -------------------amazing
Honk------------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
veronique25
(74 posts)i think this is much more than campaign tactics.
i can't imagine the 24/7 mental-strain all these presidential candidates are under. i get exhausted surfing the political internet, and listening to a debate or two a month.
i really think the clintons have 'progressive' political dementia after all these decades.
the perpetual drama and faulty accusations are just plain useless.
the only candidate who's not full of b.s. -- has the initials: b.s. (bernie sanders)
what a millenium! only 984 years left!
houston16revival
(953 posts)she is imploding in the eyes of some long time Democrats
Not a fatal flaw in a general election necessarily, but worrisome for sure
Americans as always, want new ideas
The $tRump zealots want everything their way, no compromise
Gee wonder where they learned that, Senator McConnell?
Progressives are the most energized and most realistic bunch
Glad we have young legs for this campaign year
The future belongs to those who seize it
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)
Here's a larger one.

Here's a non-resampled crop from the image in the OP.

*After x amount of time it's not as funny?
Kall
(615 posts)and you can't campaign like it is.
mdbl
(6,188 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)That's what his floor speech is about. He was posing his own game, tilting at his own windmills
Armymedic88
(251 posts)Enough of the no we can't!!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)Too pure to get his hands dirty and fight for real change in the real world. Proves Hillary's point. I guess Sanders supporters just don't get it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And he continued to fight long after she went back to her duties as FLOTUS after her little lark failed.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)in Vermont?
Seriously, that's laughable.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Should he have been out breaking windows at health-insurance buildings, throwing CEO's off ledges .......... speaking to providers at a quarter of a million/hour and telling them to cut that shit out?. What exactly as a senator should/could he have been doing other than what he was - educating and fighting right-wingers in congress?
TM99
(8,352 posts)She sat on her ass until this election.
Sanders kept fighting for it. He got community health riders added to the ACA, he lead the charge to reform the VA, and is fighting for it again now in this campaign.
Clinton just wants to maintain the status quo of mandated insurance. Her supporters want that. Oh wait, you thought I meant the little people? Oh heaven's no, her supporters are the insurance and pharma companies. They want to keep the ACA right the way it is.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Either that, or she figures most people won't see that stuff and fooling some of the people all of the time is better for her than not fooling any of the people any of the time.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)proves her point. Instead of joining the battle, he was picking daisies, and wishing on the stars that by talking really loud he could make his single payer dreams come true. He is too pure at heart to get his hands dirty and join the real fight. He is a useless ideologue and nothing more.
merrily
(45,251 posts)If you want to ramble on about a video of Bernie, maybe you should reply to someone who posted one.
If you want to reply to me, perhaps you can explain why Hillary's remarks are so often at variance with photos, videos (as in videos of her landing in Serbian airports), historical facts, and that kind of stuff.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.

Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
Damn those pesky facts again!
polly7
(20,582 posts)Ok ......... badly worded question, excusez-moi.
How did she get her 'hands dirty' in '93/94 wrt health-care?
kennetha
(3,666 posts)15? Seriously, were you even around during the healthcare debates of the 90's?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)shawn703
(2,711 posts)ejbr
(5,877 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Good gawd she's a mess.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Isn't she supposed to have staff members that she runs this stuff by?
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)Hillary's supporters don't care.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Both pics prove she knew it at the time, so unless she is simply stupid and doesn't understand technology in the slightest, she must have alzheimer's or maybe dementia?
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tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The host consensus is this doesn't meet LBN standards. Please repost in General Discussion: Primaries.