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[Populist_Prole]

1. Yeah yeah yeah.....

Be very VERY afraid of the enemy abroad....... OH! They forgot the color-coded danger days.

Ignore....Shit, even embrace, the the same corporatist MIC power structure that always tries to panic us into submission. Pffft!

I'm having a perfect moment watching the whole authoritarian nanny-state thrashing about in its death throes.

Shop! Shop! Shop! Spend! Spend! Spend!

[anothergreenbus]

7. It's time to churn up the fear.

This will give the depraved DLC/DNC-bots something to rally around.
Or, it's time to finally wake up America and stop being jerked around.

[sulphurdunn]

3. Iran's missile development

program was not part of the nuclear deal. But that won't stop neocons from running around with their hair on fire hoping to create another crisis they can use to trigger a wider ME war.

[leftynyc]

4. Yawn

I'm sure Angela Merkel appreciates your designation of her as a neo-con. And none of that changes the fact Iran is making our President look like a schmuck.

[Darb]

8. You sound very..........

Bibi-ish. Am I wrong in my assessment?

[leftynyc]

10. On the contrary

I detest bibi for the EXACT same reason. I don't like anybody making our President look like an asshole.

[Darb]

12. Cool.

I misinterpreted. Obama towels that shit off and so do I. Let them spew, it's all they got. Cooler heads are prevailing. What we are witnessing is the snarling, writhing death throws of the caveman set. It will take some time to play out.

[sulphurdunn]

22. Iran is surrounded by American

and NATO military bases. It is also under assault by a Turkish, Israeli, Saudi alliance. Iran has no nuclear weapons. If the neocon idiots who started this mess were really concerned about nuclear weapon threats, they'd take much more interest in India and Pakistan. If you woke up a little, you'd yawn less.

[leftynyc]

30. Poor, poor Iran

Those innocent little kittens - until one remembers they've been financing fucking terrorists for decades. Where do you think hezbollah and islamic jihad get their money. Your entire argument is pathetic and you're just another who will take the side of anyone as long as you get to blame the west. It's as predictable as the sun rising in the east and exactly why you get yawns.

[sulphurdunn]

37. Nothing is more delusional

than absolute certainty. Standup nice and straight, click those heels together and salute your cause.

[leftynyc]

38. LOL

When faced with FACTS - like Iran sponsoring terrorism for decades, go the tried and true and call someone a fascist. And then complain when all you get is YAWN!!!!!! Pathetic.

[sulphurdunn]

39. Every country in the Middle East

sponsors terrorism and war in one way or another. Why is Iran so special to you? No one called you a fascist, maybe an authoritarian follower. The world is full of mindless people like that who aren't fascists.

[leftynyc]

40. And just which authoritian

am I following? Just how many Americans do you think actually trust Iran to keep to that deal? Iran isn't special, that's the whole fucking point.

[sulphurdunn]

42. You don't really think

the Iranians will keep their end of the bargain out of the goodness of their hearts. Do you? There is a verification process for this deal, just like any other international agreement. Whatever many Americans think about it at this point will depend on what mass media tells them to think. In 2006, half the goddamn American public still believed the Iraqis were responsible for 911, were affiliated with al-Queda and had WMD.

[anothergreenbus]

5. Don't they have to defend themselves form people like you?

[leftynyc]

9. People like me?

A 5 foot woman from New York?

[karynnj]

11. So, you would rather still be 2 months away from a nuclear bomb?

What the nuclear deal did INDEPENDENT of any view that Iran would become more moderate was increase the time until they get a nuclear weapon. It is now frozen for 10 years at around one year.

The deal was that narrow. Just broad enough to address the SPOKEN fear of a nuclear Iran rather than the real fear of Iran being less of a pariah nation. If they continue tests like this, they may lose that acceptance limited as it is.

What wold you have preferred to the deal? A US attack on Iran, a larger, more homogeneous country than Iran? The deal was the available, through hard work, diplomatic effort. The alternative was military or nothing.

The Iran deal stands in contrast to all the military or proxy military actions in Libya, Syria, and Yemen and Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush.

You might consider that these tests are coming from the hardliners who just lost strength in the election.

[leftynyc]

13. Don't try and put words in my mouth

I reluctantly supported that Iran deal for the reasons you stated but Iran's leaders NOW seem to pushing Pres Obama's face in the dirt. I don't like anyone that does that.

[karynnj]

15. The only people who think it makes Obama look bad are those

Who saw him as pro Iran, which he wasn't. He and Kerry both spoke often about what the deal did and did not do.

It is true that many hoped that a non included bonus - of Iran being more moderate could happen. In fact, in the election the country moved in that direction. They have also pull their troops out of Syria and were helpful at Vienna and Munich in getting the resolution and ceasefire. That is very very fragile, but it is worth the effort.

I would argue that the missile tests, which are provocative, might be happening because they moved the nuclear program back and they are working with the US as well as Russia on Syria. It may be a bone thrown to the still powerful hardliners.

[leftynyc]

16. Pres Obama looks WEAK

He constantly states things are unacceptable and when they happen and he does and says nothing, he looks pathetic. Perhaps you trust these mad mullahs to stop working towards a nuke but I sure don't. I wouldn't trust them if they said it was daytime.

[randome]

17. So how would you stop them from developing a nuke? Nuke them, maybe?

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[leftynyc]

27. If this is a serious question

you're barking up the very wrong tree.

[karynnj]

18. What would Obama have had to do to look strong or even

Not weak to you?

The agreement does not depend on trust of Iran. I do trust Secretary Moniz and his team. They developed a monitoring system that starts with monitoring uranium mining and continues through every step. Not to mention they poured cement into the centifuge that made plutonium and they shipped 98 percent of their enriched uranium out of the country.

Not to mention, Netanyahu actually did nothing himself. Per articles, he wanted to attack, but the Israeli military argued against it. In addition, he did all he could as a foreign agent trying to derail the deal using our congress. Had he won, Iran would still be 2 months from a nuclear bomb AND would still have tested the missiles.

Does Netanyahu look stronger than Obama here?

[randome]

19. Obama fending off Netanyahu and a subversive GOP -that doesn't sound weak to me.

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[karynnj]

20. Totally agree

Consider that Netanyahu, AIPAC and every Republican, including 47 who actually wrote Iran essentially telling them Obama could not deliver on any agreement.

The strangest thing was seeing McCain argue that proof that nothing improved was that Iran held our sailors for a day and a half after they went into Iranian water. Given his own treatment for 5 years as a hostsge, that was unbelievable.

[randome]

21. McCain has used his POW status to good effect in the past. But not then. He 'wounded' himself.

The GOP shot itself in the foot as well. All the blowhards and subversives tripped over themselves to try to give Obama a slap in the face regarding Iran.

And none of it worked.
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[leftynyc]

28. Condemn the missile testing

just like he does when North Korea does. Here he's silent and that's what makes him look weak. Not even Kerry has said anything.

[Bradical79]

29. So not pushing for war based on actions that don't violate the agreement is looking weak

Gotcha.

[leftynyc]

31. WTF is wrong with

condemning the missile tests - just like he does with North Korea. Is your brain so binary there is nothing between looking pathetically weak and war? This discussion is fucking pointless.

[Bradical79]

32. It is pointless

Because you are the one that went with extreme rhetoric over practically nothing by creating a really stupid false equivalency between North Korea and Iran. Talk about binary thinking.

And yes, you are pushing for war whether you like it or not. You stated earlier you were upset about Obama not taking action, and that it was making him look like a schmuck. Well, he did take action by working out a deal that has at minimum delayed Iran's development of a nuclear weapon. The only alternative to preventing a nuclear armed Iran would have been war. President Obama is playing this exactly how he has to at the moment despite criticisms of how it makes him look to a bunch of no nothing idiots out there.

[karynnj]

33. Kerry said that concern would be raised at the UN over the missile tests

He also said that where the tests violate UN resolutions, they are not a violation of the nuclear deal -- which is actually pretty obvious as they do not move to getting a nuclear bomb.

[blackspade]

6. Another MIC push for war.

They must be running short on cash.

[randome]

14. An anonymous official warning of future danger -hardly qualifies as LBN, does it?

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[ProfessorGAC]

24. Touting The Dangers, Of Course. . .

. . .of 55 year old technology. Geez, the Mercury missions used staged rocketry.

Did people really think that any country willing to spend the money wouldn't be able to build a multi-stage rocket now that that concept was proven technology in the early 1960's?

There's no way to stop this no matter what we do.

At least nukes are harder to build and tougher to get raw materials. Anybody can get aluminum, steel and titanium for a rocket.

[randome]

26. Right you are. And the best way to prevent war from breaking out is with UN-backed treaties.

So I'm more than okay with Obama's actions regarding Iran. That was a breakthrough that Israeli politicians (not all) would prefer not to admit.
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[Angel Martin]

35. "And the best way to prevent war from breaking out is with UN-backed treaties."

is this satire or a serious post ?

[randome]

36. So...America should be the policeman of the world?

Regardless of how you feel about the U.N., it is, on balance, a force for good.
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[Gregorian]

23. Let's Have a War

There's so many of us
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Let's have a war
So you can go and die
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We could all use the money

Let's have a war
We need the space
Let's have a war
Clean out this place

It already started in the city
Suburbia will be just as easy

There's so many of us
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Let's have a war
Jack up the Dow Jones
Let's have a war
It can start in New Jersey

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Blame it on the middle-class
Let's have a war
We're like rats in a cage

It already started in the city
Suburbia will be just as easy

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Let's have a war
Sell the rights to the networks
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Let our wallets get fat like last time

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Give guns to the queers
Let's have a war
The enemy's within

It already started in the city
Suburbia will be just as easy

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[Sunlei]

25. "with a satellite on top" . Most countries can launch a satellite?

and most countries can knock out a satellite any second!

[brett_jv]

34. What an utterly deceptive and mealy-mouthed piece this is ...

Looks like the MIC needs some bucks, so ... time to stir up the fear ... hey, why not tap into our Operation Paperclip resources at the news outlets? Sounds like a plan!

[Kentonio]

41. So tired of all this fearmongering.

Every time a country we don't like gets a tiny fraction of the military capabilities we've had for decades its held up as a portent of the end times. Utterly ridiculous. If we start treating Iran like a sovereign nation instead of a recalcitrant toddler, then they'll pose no threat to either us or Israel. The Iranian people just want to live in peace, and a vast majority of their people actually like westerners. It's us who keep providing their more extreme leaders with excuses for painting the west as the enemy.