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[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. another tie

Cool. Westward ho!

[pnwmom]

10. If Bernie takes EVERY SINGLE DELEGATE from Arizona, Hawaii, Utah,

Wyoming, Idaho, Washington, Wisconsin, and Alaska -- he still won't catch up to Hillary in pledged delegates.

And in the much more likely event he only does as well as Obama, he will pick up an extra 60 delegates and reduce Hillary's lead from about 320 delegates to about 260.

So have fun in the West . . . but the outcome is already mathematically clear. Hillary's got this.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

14. all we have to do is stop her from getting 2383

before the convention. Gonna make you snarky mean girls fight for it in front of the whole school.

[pnwmom]

16. In a two candidate race that won't happen. The only way Bernie could stop her

would be by earning those pledged delegates himself -- which isn't happening.

But she'll actually have many more, thanks to her super delegates.

Just as President Obama did when the super delegates voted for him.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

20. if they dont switch over again, you mean. nt

[pnwmom]

26. They won't switch over. They ran as Clinton delegates and they're pledged to her.

Or are you saying that the Bernie campaign encouraged his supporters to falsely run as Clinton delegates?

That would destroy any claim that Bernie is running an ethical campaign.

[quakerboy]

45. Wait.. you assert the superdelegates ran as clinton supporters?

Interesting.

[pnwmom]

48. I was specifically referring to pledged delegates, not super delegates.

Some Bernie supporters are hoping that her pledged delegates will desert her for Bernie.

[roguevalley]

63. I AM GOING TO CAUCUS FOR BERNIE NEXT

SATURDAY AND IT WILL BE TREMENDOUS! I am driving through the wilderness to get there in Anchorage, Alaska I am so stoked. He's killing it in Alaska.

[pnwmom]

65. Have fun. I hate caucuses,

but I will be making a special effort to get to WA's -- and I'm going for Hillary. So is my husband, who hates caucuses even more than I do.

Hillary doesn't do as well in mostly white states like WA and Alaska, but she'll do very well in the large diverse states beginning in mid-April.

[roguevalley]

69. you need to read up on alaska. we are diverse up here.

good luck too.

[pnwmom]

70. 3.6% black. That isn't typical of the states where she has strong support.

And I also don't see many Latinos here.

But considering how few delegates will be in play in Alaska (16 pledged), it doesn't really matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Alaska

According to the 2010 United States census, the racial composition of Alaska was the following:[5]

White: 66.7% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 64.1%)
Black 3.6%
Asian 5.4% ( Among, 0.3% Chinese, 0.2% Laotian, 0.2% Japanese, 0.1% Indian, 0.1% Vietnamese, 0.1% Thai)
American Indian or Alaskan Native 14.8%
Pacific Islander: 1.0% (0.7% Samoan, 0.1% Hawaiian, 0.1% Tongan)
Two or more races: 7.3%
Other races: 1.7

[roguevalley]

88. wow. no one matters if you say so. I would never

argue with anyone who lived in another state I never visited but I guess you intrinsically know shit. Thanks. By the way, Alaska matters. That is the difference between Bernie and HRC. Everyone matters but thanks for your remarks. IGNORE.

[quakerboy]

75. I'd settle for a numerically fair portion of the super delegates

and it seemed fairly clear to me that the person you were responding was also referring to super delegates. Could be wrong, but thats sure how it looked to me.

With half the pledged delegates still to be won, this isn't over yet, no matter how much anyone wants it to be.

[pnwmom]

76. The person was responding to my post #16 that was specifically about PLEDGED delegates.

So I don't why you think it's clear that person was referring to super delegates.

[Scootaloo]

77. Well, most of them pledged their loyalty before she even announced her candidacy

[jg10003]

44. Bernie needs only 42% of pledged delegates to keep her from 2383

total number of pledged delegates = 4051

Bill Clinton & Wasserman-Schultz are super-delegates, therefore Hillary can clinch the nomination with 2381 pledged delegates.

4051 - 2381 = 1670
1670 + 1 = 1671.
Bernie needs 1671 pledged delegates (41.250% of total) in order to prevent Hillary from clinching the nomination with just pledged delegates. This would still put Hillary just one super-delegate short of the nomination.

If Bernie wins 42% of the pledged delegates (1701) then he can take the fight to the convention.

[pnwmom]

49. If Bernie only gets 42% of the pledged delegates, in what fantasy universe

do you think the super delegates who have already endorsed Hillary will desert her at the convention for him?

[Cryptoad]

58. Bern must win

all the remaining Primaries by 40 pts to win, ,,,, sit down and think about that and let it soak in.

[Major Hogwash]

78. That's old skool, right there.

And is going to be the way to do it!

[peggysue2]

38. The inconvenient math

Yes, the math is withering.

Hillary's got this, 2016

[Herman4747]

60. No, not if Hillary decides to do the right thing & drop out...

...so that the nation's voters won't have to choose which liar they want to deceive them:

[pnwmom]

62. Dream on! That's all you've got at this point. n/t

[Herman4747]

64. So what do you have, besides the liar you willingly choose?

[pnwmom]

66. My candidate has a 320 delegate lead. n/t

[Herman4747]

67. which means nothing if she decides to withdraw her immoral ass. n/t

[pnwmom]

68. Get ready to withdraw your mouth from GDP once she wins the primary. n/t

[hamsterjill]

71. Touché

This is one of the best comebacks I've read on DU in a very long time.

Artful, in fact. Thank you!

[redstateblues]

79. Losing sucks.

[Herman4747]

84. Yes, especially when it's the entire world that loses.

[LanternWaste]

86. Or even just your own sense of self-validation.

"especially when it's the entire world that loses..."

Or even just your own sense of self-validation that loses (but much as you, I too like to pretend they are one and the same if bias compels me to do so).

[saturnsring]

15. what part of clinton won means a tie

wow the delusional

[Viva_La_Revolution]

17. see #14. nt

[brooklynite]

24. Remember when Sanders people thought winning RED States was "meaningless"?

[riversedge]

31. Clinton will get an extra two delegates from Missouri for winning the statewide vote.

No tie.

[pnwmom]

2. Thanks. I'm sure the taxpayers there will appreciate Bernie's decision. n/t

[Helen Borg]

3. Not sure how I feel about this...

What if he loses the primary by 2 delegates?

[tinrobot]

50. Very unlikely, but he conceded, so those two are his decision.

[yallerdawg]

6. "Hillary's folks may have cheated?"

Astounding.

[The Second Stone]

11. Bernie's Bros may have cheated too

and that is just as astounding. Both are entirely without evidence and are skanky speculation. This is the kind of accusation from a bizarre fringe supporter that has coarsened the discourse on the Democratic Party side. They can dish it out, but run crying when you give them a taste of their own medicine.

[Loki]

13. yellerdawg, it was the Republicans voting for BS in an open primary.

How do I know this? I live here. The counties that went for Sanders are all Tea Party strongholds. It doesn't take rocket science to figure this one out. They knew Trump would take this state, and they don't want to face her, truly.

[yallerdawg]

19. Not 'Hillary folks cheating' as so casually asserted?

Monday, we'd all be on hide or timeout.

I guess some are going to have to get used to the BS pushback.

[Loki]

23. Indeed they are.

[vdogg]

9. Lol

Funny how every single state she's won you guys say she's cheated. Can't possibly be that voters chose her over your candidate because his message isn't connecting.

[JDPriestly]

22. Only the states in which she just barely won by extremely small margins over and over.

No one is questioning her results in Ohio.

But there are odds that close races will be Bernie victories some of the time. The vast majority of the almost too close to call races have been called for Hillary. That is a statistical anomaly.

I could be wrong about how many close races there have been, but it does seem that an unusual and statistically strange number of close races have been called for Hillary. There are maybe three explanations: a miracle, a coincidence or some human malfeasance. Take your pick. We will probably never know.

[yallerdawg]

29. Would you consider 'counting votes'?

It's not a coin toss or 'rock, scissor, stone'! Unless the votes come to a tie!

Democracy is a 'statistical anomaly'?

WOW!

[redkwamya]

56. It's actually a very good statistical estimate of the truth

Because we vote in districts, we have multiple small elections that approximate to the truth when added together. It's very hard to game that even with Hillary's SUPERPOWERS!!

[Duval]

55. No, we'll never know. nt

[JudyM]

28. Gore and Kerry... now, winning either of those would have saved taxpayers some hefty cash.

I always have to follow thoughts of that with "s.o.b."

[riversedge]

33. Making stuff up and saying Hillary may have cheated!! SHAME ON YOU.

[SunSeeker]

59. Indeed. Disgusting isn't it?

[bravenak]

5. Good.

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. Very gracious, Senator Sanders.

Let's move on to the next contest.

[katsy]

8. Classy move. Very mindful of taxpayers.

[still_one]

12. It is a practical decision. It buy no one anything because the delegate numbers were split evenly.

It is just for bragging rights

[FlatBaroque]

18. Bernie will need to win with 65-70% of the vote to overcome the DNC counting system /

[pnwmom]

21. No, he'll need it to overcome her huge wins in earlier states,

the wins that have resulted in her 320 delegate lead.

[PatrynXX]

27. that'll be erased in a month. be back to Square one soon.

going to June like 2008

[pnwmom]

30. No, it won't. There are less than 300 delegates TOTAL in all 8 western

and northern primaries coming up in the next month. If Bernie got every single one of those delegates -- which he obviously won't -- he still won't close the gap.

Obama only got 60 more delegates in those states than Hillary. It's very unlikely that Bernie will do much better.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

32. Sorry, don't understand your math.

California alone has 548 delegates?

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/CA-D

[pnwmom]

35. California isn't one of the states that's coming up in the next month.

The person I was answering said that her lead would be erased "in a month." And it won't be. Those 8 primaries and caucuses yield a total of less than 300 delegates.

California isn't till June. And even if Bernie carried it, he'll split the votes with Hillary. None of these states is winner take all. And he hasn't had a single "blow out" in a large diverse state.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

46. Ah, didn't realize the time frame.

Still plenty of time for Mr. Sanders.

[pnwmom]

47. How will he overcome a 320 delegate lead in the time he has left?

Which large states will he accomplish huge wins in comparable to the wins that gave Hillary her 320 delegate lead?

[PatrynXX]

73. true although thats in June

I don't believe Obama had it till late May into June. but maybe it'll get down to 150 so it would still be too close to call. Even if Obama pushed. Pushed against Jesse Jackson. yeah my how things have changed. I don't think Rev. Wright will ever be friends with him again. Although the only thing I'm concerned of late with Obama is what he did with Sinn Feinn's Gerry Adams but guess I'll have to pay more attention to Gerry's FB page (mind you CA went to Clinton but it was reversed. Back when they figured Hillary would win. It used to be a Super Tuesday state. Now it's in June.

[riversedge]

36. It is the Missouri Election Board .--or individual state boards. Nothing to do with DNC

[onenote]

74. Pesky things, those facts.

[riversedge]

81. Blaming it on the DNC is an easy out for so many.

[PatrynXX]

25. 2 extra?

how exactly is that fair. Obama won by 11,000 votes in 2008. but Tied in Delegates. Hillary wins by 1500 but she gets a non tie? thats kinda messed up

[pnwmom]

34. Here's what Wikipedia says about the 2008 delegate count:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Democratic_primary,_2008

The Missouri Democratic Presidential Primary took place on Super Tuesday, February 5, 2008, with 72 delegates at stake. The winner in each of Missouri's nine congressional districts was awarded all of that district's delegates, which totaled 47. Another 25 delegates were awarded to the statewide winner, Barack Obama. The 72 delegates represented Missouri at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado. Sixteen other unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, also attended the convention and cast their votes as well.

[PatrynXX]

72. maybe it's a case of NYT just not telling the whole story

which from the looks of the cancellations of late seems to be happening


http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/MO.html

36 to 36

maybe it's a census thing

[wiley]

40. Determined by number of votes in CDs

Delegates are determined by numbers voting in specific CDs. This is the beginning of the process that will finish on April 28 (for Missouri). The overall state winner in total votes should get some type of additional delegates.

[blackspade]

37. Good for Sanders.

Sanders says in an interview with The Associated Press that it's unlikely the results will affect the awarding of delegates in the state and he would "prefer to save the taxpayers of Missouri some money."

Exactly the correct decision. Look ahead to the next series of Primaries!

[bjo59]

39. Not seeking a recount is not conceding.

Sanders' campaign manager and campaign strategist both have clearly explained that seeking a recount would probably not be worth it because MO was a virtual tie and the delegate spread would change maybe by one delegate. The human psyche is a very bizarre thing. A nation full of Charlie Sheens... "WINNING!!!!!" Corporate media has trained us well.

[pnwmom]

41. To not request a recount when the other person is ahead IS a concession.

This will be recorded in the history books as a win for Hillary.

[GoneFishin]

83. You just revealed an enlightening personality glitch. It's not about the relevance, it's about some

other primal need. No wonder her offensive policies and pandering don't matter to them. They are rooting for a colored jersey.

[Amimnoch]

42. Damn that man is a class act.

Especially since it's proportional allotment that's a great and classy move to make.

[logosoco]

43. What a guy!

I am proud of him and the people for rising this far.

I think someday we are all going to be sorry we did not make this man our President.

[Trajan]

51. Huge win for Clinton!!

One half of one percent ...

It's a fucking landslide!

[kath]

87. Significantly less than half of one percent -- 0.2%.

A MASSIVE win for her!

[Stevepol]

52. Why in hell doesn't he ask for a RECOUNT????

Has he never heard of election fraud via computer vote counting? If it turns out that the result is accurate fine, but if it turns out that there has been a miscount, you have set a precedent for every election to come. How will we ever put a stop to computer election fraud if the politicians, the ones most intimately endangered by this kind of fraud, don't even demand what is their right to demand????

Somebody tell me I'm crazy because this seems like an open and shut case to me.

[riversedge]

53. CONGRATULATIONS TO HILLARY AND HER TEAM--Itis 5 for 5 Officially

[Duval]

54. He is so honorable and REAL.

Thank you for the OP, Purveyor. I'm still Feeling the Bern and doing what I can to help.

[Politicub]

57. Bernie is a good guy

And is running an impressive campaign.

[SunSeeker]

61. K & R

[Major Hogwash]

80. Burma Shave: By a whisker!

" . . . the margin was less than one-half of one percent."

Wow!

[riversedge]

82. A win is a win.

She did 5 for 5 TUESDAY. that is the wow!!

[Myrina]

85. I wish he wouldn't have done that.

You know she'll never reciprocate. We're nearing the point where every delegate is crucial.