Florida voters "fed up" with Trump and Clinton speak out

[Attorney in Texas]

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Source: CBS News

Voters in the key swing state of Florida are sharing their frustration about their options in the 2016 presidential race. A focus group comprised of Republican and Democratic voters who oppose both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump offered a revealing look at the anger toward the front-runners in both parties.

Clinton and Trump share the distinction of being among the least-liked candidates.

"I would rather not vote than vote for either one of these candidates," one woman told CBS News contributor and Republican strategist Frank Luntz, who led the group at the Orlando Public Library. "And it pains me to say that, because I feel it's my right as a member of this democratic society to be able to vote. But given those two candidates, I can't vote for either one of them."... "I just think that none of the-- either party doesn't deserve my vote. They're not giving me what I feel we need as a country," another woman explained. "So why give the support to someone who's not gonna do what I need them to do for me and my family?"

"I don't believe Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton really care about the American people. I don't trust either of them. I don't think they are presidential," one man said. ... "The thing about Hillary Clinton is that all of her flaws are verifiable and provable. ... "There is a great opportunity for someone. And that person had better come forward fast, because if the Republicans put Donald Trump up, and if the Democrats put Hillary Clinton, it will be the worst turnout election ever," a woman said.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/elections-2016-florida-voters-anti-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-focus-group/

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There is a lot more at the link. WE IGNORE THIS NEWS AT OUR PERIL.

[msongs]

1. not lbn. it is analysis and opinion nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. Yes, I have heard this ignorance myself from someone I thought was smarter than this

The very idea that there is any comparison between Hillary and the Trump who we see on TV...fucking nonsense.

[BillZBubb]

6. Baloney. Both Hillary and Trump share extremely high negatives.

That is the comparison. There is no denying it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. ...

Trump wants to round up millions of Latino's and send them away, if you dont vote

for whoever the Democratic candidate is, you support that.

Period.

[Scuba]

22. Hmmmm ....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-child-migrants_us_55d4a5c5e4b055a6dab24c2f

Hillary Clinton Defends Call To Deport Child Migrants
But legal groups say virtually all unaccompanied minors from Central America qualify for humanitarian relief.
08/19/2015 01:56 pm ET

Hillary Clinton this week defended her call to deport children from the U.S. who are fleeing violence in Central America.

Speaking at a press conference in Las Vegas on Tuesday, the former secretary of state and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination said that deporting the children, many of whom are seeking asylum, would send a “responsible message” that would deter Central American families from sending their children to the United States.

[vkkv]

26. Weve forgotten about that! Thanks ___ n/t

[desmiller]

28. Well.... Hillary's off my list.

[florida08]

29. hahaha

[Politicalboi]

36. That's the new progressive

[angrychair]

32. That is hyperbolic nonsense

It is not possible for any president to institute such actions. We still have judicial and legislative branches of government as well as there are many more that would stand against thes types of actions. This "banning" of people entering the country, leaving the country or putting up a big wall to keep people out is empty rhetoric to spin up his voter base.

[William Seger]

19. *IF* it comes down to Hillary vs. Trump

... and you can't figure out which would be a better President, then please do stay home: There's a 50% chance you'll make a huge mistake.

[vkkv]

25. Seems BillZBubb is saying that 'high negative' numbers keep people home on election day and

that candidates with high negative numbers are less likely to win against a candidate with equal 'positive' numbers but lesser 'negatives'.


What's not to get?

[hrmjustin]

3. A Frank Luntz focus group is lbn on DU?

[Cryptoad]

35. I know

just when I thought DU had a Fresh Smell about it.

How can Skinner let this on DU

[BillZBubb]

4. The problem with this is that Luntz was involved. That immediately makes it suspect.

I don't doubt that lots of potential voters at this time agree with the findings. But, things change as you get near the actual election.

[zentrum]

9. Agree about the creepy Luntz.

But the Democrats should be actually looking at this for real themselves.

[moosewhisperer]

13. Luntz focus group

Luntz should do a focus group to gauge his hate-ability. Years ago, I was at a restaurant for lunch in downtown Chicago. I was seated at a table next to about half a dozen men along with Luntz. After Luntz left, the men discussed how giving Luntz his own show would never work because he's "not likable" and "is underhanded".

[LiberalFighter]

15. Agreed!

Anything to do with Luntz is suspect. Also that the group he put together was by design to support his view.

[Darb]

5. Anecdotal trollup.

Hillary is not an asshole like The Donald is and the majority of Americans know this and will elect her.

[BillZBubb]

10. Not necessarily.

Hillary will pivot to the right if she becomes the nominee. What will Donald Trump do? He could begin to backpedal and soften his more outrageous positions. If he does that, the republican base will rally to him.

The majority of Americans, according to mountains of polling data, don't care for Hillary or Trump. They are both viewed unfavorably.

[zentrum]

8. This does worry me.

Furious at the DNC for not cultivating, and promoting many of its new Democratic faces—especially Warren. I think HRC/DWS were too formidable to challenge at this point in her political rise.

HRC had her turn. It came and went. I'm a good Democrat but just exhausted by the Clintons

It's the turn of another woman or Democratic candidate finally.

I'm very worried about the lack of turnout that may occur.

[vkkv]

20. Agreed _____ n/t

[moosewhisperer]

11. In every election cycle...

..there are people who aren't satisfied with the choices. Whether it's the fact that their candidate didn't make it past the primaries or was never there to begin with. Apathy. Disgust. Whatever. As far as "it will be the worst turnout election ever". Well, bullshit. Also, Luntz is a complete Repub shill. Don't be surprised if he's trying to toss out a scenario where a third candidate enters the race, specifically Trump's Repub nom is blocked and Romney is put up instead. Just wait.

[William Seger]

12. Florida Democrats voted overwhelmingly for Hillary

I really wish they hadn't, but do these other Florida Democrats understand how this democracy thing works?

[LiberalFighter]

21. Good point that others here need to heed.

Also that Luntz will select the people for his focus group that he wants even if it does not fit the demographics.

Hillary got 64.45% of the votes because Sanders was running against her. Of course, those supporting Sanders are unlikely to view Hillary favorably.

On the other side, Trump only got 45.74% of the votes and the majority voted against him.

[George II]

14. Analysis, not "NEWS"! Three days ago Clinton had a huge victory in Florida (64-33), obviously....

....they weren't all that "fed up" with Clinton.

This is just muckraking.

[lamp_shade]

16. WE IGNORE THIS NEWS AT OUR PERIL (note all caps)

[vkkv]

17. Gawd.. who isn't? But sure, I'll vote for HRC to at least vote Democratic...

sort of Democratic...

DWS has kind of ruined what I thought of good Dem party system.

[LisaM]

18. Luntz, I knew it! How does he have any credibility?

When I watch his polling on election nights, I'm always floored by his ability to come up with five answers to a question that I would never give. He's definitely from the "when did you stop beating your wife" school of questioning. I wouldn't put any faith in this poll. I might instead look at last Tuesday's election and figure out which candidate had a resounding victory.

I also don't understand how he chooses his focus groups.

[beastie boy]

23. "A focus group comprised of Republican and Democratic voters who oppose both Clinton and Trump"?

Stop the presses, they are not big fans of Trump or Hillary!

What's next, an atheist focus group being asked if God exists?

I can't believe what passes for newsworthy these days!

[elleng]

24. Surprised?

Thank dws/dem ptb/hrc/mtm.

Martin, we hardly knew you, because they wouldn't let us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

[Lorien]

27. The establishment loves low turnout

If no one voted at all they would be even happier.

[CoffeeCat]

30. That's exactly how I feel

I most likely will not vote, if the choices are Trump and Clinton.

Very sad, as I have been a proud Democrat for decades and a volunteer for John Kerry, Obama and Sanders. I've never missed a vote and I always took my kids with me to the polls. Any time I could vote for a Democrat was like a holiday in our house.

Now, I just feel like I want to vomit.

[florida08]

31. exactly

and Debbie Wasserman Shultz is a big part of that.

[onehandle]

33. PERIL! nt

[Cryptoad]

34. Another GOP Group

that were selected by a long time GOP analyst strategist Frank Luntz ..... this is trash, a backdoor attack on HRC by the GOP

this should be removed.

[etherealtruth]

37. I am sorry, LOCKING

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