Sanders needs to change 'tone' if he wants NY debate

[Freddie Stubbs]

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Source: The Hill

A top aide to Hillary Clinton's campaign on Monday dodged questions about setting up a debate with Bernie Sanders in New York, saying it depends on the senator's "tone."

"This is a man who said he'd never run a negative ad ever. He's now running them. They're planning to run more," Joel Benenson, Clinton's chief strategist, said on CNN. "Let's see the tone of the campaign he wants to run before we get to any other questions."

After winning a trio of states over the weekend, Sanders on Sunday called for a debate in New York ahead of that state's April 19 primary. The Vermont senator is looking to cut into Clinton's delegate lead and says he has the "momentum" heading into the latter half of the race.

The pair faced off in a Miami debate earlier this month, and a Sanders campaign letter on Sunday said the two campaigns had agreed to a California debate in May but had not agreed to terms on a debate in April, according to The New York Times.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274470-clinton-aide-new-york-debate-depends-on-tone-of-sanders

[forest444]

1. Translation:

"Why doesn't he realize I'm inevitable, and address me as such!"

[billhicks76]

25. HuffPost Asked Clinton To Concede Today

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/its-time-for-hillary-clin_b_9555422.html

A big reason is the criminal investigation ramping up.

[Cryptoad]

32. Funny how this is always lost at the bottom on the page

Both stories make clear that according to legal experts Clinton is very unlikely to be punished for her exclusive use of a private email server during her time at State since the practice was not forbidden. (Worth noting: Lots of other secretaries of state used private email accounts to supplement their official accounts; none used only a private email account and server.) Potentially more problematic for Clinton is her insistence that she never knowingly sent or received any messages that were marked classified at the time. It’s been shown in the year-plus of investigations into her server that there were a number of items on Clinton’s server that were classified after the fact, but there is no evidence to make her initial statement untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/28/there-are-147-fbi-agents-involved-in-the-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/?tid=sm_tw

yall crack me up!

[angrychair]

40. "Lots of other Secretaries of State"??

You mean two others? Rice and Powell?
Yep, I want these examples of good judgment as my yard stick to measure my own by.
Those two idiots are perfect examples of how not to do that job or are Clinton supporters defending the Bush administration now????

[Cryptoad]

43. Bern Supporters leading the GOP attack on HRC?

[angrychair]

46. Didn't address my point

Two does not "a lot" make.
More importantly, I have seen these two names brought up in her defense, so I ask again, is it the position of Clinton supporters that the Bush Administration did a great job and legitimized the "if they did it than its ok if I do it" defense?

[Chasstev365]

50. Give me a break!

Are you saying Hillary is so perfect that no one can be critical of her and her record?

[AlbertCat]

77. Are you saying Hillary is so perfect that no one can be critical of her and her record....

.... again?



Tone.

How lame.


Wake me when Sanders' claims she's gonna take away people's health insurance.

[SusanaMontana41]

96. Well, that seems to be the case, doesn't it?

Which criticisms are OK with you?

[billhicks76]

60. Electability Is Their Argument

I don't know if the writer favors one candidate over the other or not. I personally would never ask Hillary to drop out. But her hubris and her supporters arrogance make it so that she deserves this treatment given that they asked Bernie to drop out.

[SusanaMontana41]

92. My criticisms of Hillary are based on her record.

But you just keep right on dismissing us.

[George II]

61. Especially since she did nothing wrong, and just followed the lead of her predecessors.

The funny thing is that stuff like this is posted on DU over and over again every day, but a post earlier today was hidden because it talked about how Sanders spends money on his campaign (which is available on FEC.gov)

[lewebley3]

73. Cryptoad: Do think the NyYorktimes is going to apolgize to Hillary:

I think Nytimes has turn into a rag!

[Kip Humphrey]

80. because "according to legal experts" who remain unnamed... Do you have any idea how many

"legal experts" there are in this country? You might as well say "according to Hillary's lawyers" for all the veracity "according to legal experts" provides.

[humbled_opinion]

91. LOL I am sure

you have some witty way to explain away the transcripts from her yucking it up with the Goldman fat cats too.... Or will you be one of those that will excoriate me for not defending her when Trump makes those transcripts public during the GE .... Yeah I am sure I will be told that I must defend her, all the time knowing that if those were made public now she wouldn't stand a chance in hell of winning a Democratic nomination.....

[forest444]

33. Hear, hear.

Hillary can do this the easy way (withdraw in the near future, citing the fact she's being railroaded by the GOP and thus earning some much-needed public sympathy).

Or she can be stubborn about it, which will put her thorough a federal indictment anyway and probably lead to this:



[center]Imagine this; but on election night (!).[/center]

[Zira]

37. +10000

Of course the last time I posted a thread like that I garnered a hide. The Hillary court thought it was too offensive.

I'm posting it anyway. Update - someone beat me too it.

I realize I'm new but the only thing I've seen with your guy's jury system is it massively favors Hillary and it consistently goes the wrong way. I suspect Hillary isn't the only "liberal Democrat" today, who went the wrong way for civil rights in the 60's and kept going the wrong way for decades after. I think she attracts people just like her. Maybe a lot of voters remorse here still from 2008? Just saying as they seem to be long time Hillary supporters and unwilling acknowledge or care about her record. I wonder how many voted for Hope and Change Obama? That sounds more like the MO of a Bernie supporter. Dang those unicorns and rainbows! We keep trying!

[pnwmom]

62. FALSE. HuffPost did not. A RAND PAUL endorser wrote that.

Goodman has already made his 2016 Presidential endorsement public: Rand Paul. His opinion should be of zero relevance to any progressive.

[billhicks76]

74. Whoa. Just Read That

Goodman is so anti-war and anti-fascist that this very liberal guy got tricked into thinking Rand would be different than Bush or Hillary. That's a blunder on his part you are correct. I didn't notice his blog was from the guy who suggested Rand would be best to change the NeoCon landscape. He is definitely duped you are right. We shall see though if anything happens to Hillary. Immunity for underlings and FBI interviews generally mean more than just tying an investigation together as WaPost suggests. It certainly wouldn't be fair to target Hillary who was just doing what Bush and his administration did and got away with it. But there is the problem. She's very much like Bush. Why do you think so many of us are afraid of her? That's the biggest reason.

[pnwmom]

88. I don't think HRC is anything like that good old boy.

She is highly intelligent and conscientious, and she is a progressive.

And she is also a woman, which means a higher standard has always been set for her. Elizabeth Warren has written about that.

But thank you for acknowledging my point about Goodman. In view of his endorsement of Paul, and his continued use of libertarian sources, he is not to be taken seriously.

[raindaddy]

2. You've got to be kidding!

I thought this was from the Onion.. If Hillary can't handle Bernie pointing out facts how is she going to deal with Trump?

[deutsey]

28. I thought the same thing about The Onion

They're truly insane, imo. As in "disconnected from reality."

[Plucketeer]

56. Yeah - "Tone" vs. FACTS?

How DOES one tone down the facts? My God! The Donald will rattle her right out of her pants suit with his first volley of bullshit! It will not matter if it's total bullcrap, the tone of his delivery will leave this unseasoned non-politician stuttering haplessly!

[trueblue2007]

3. negative bernie.

maybe during the next debate, he wants to wave his finger so close to Sec Clinton he hits her in the nose

[GreatGazoo]

81. the signal they all use during these debates is the raised finger

here is Obama doing it

[tomm2thumbs]

110. yep, it's a silly argument

I do believe one-Bill-Clinton is the best finger-raiser in the business

[LiberalElite]

114. All they have is silly arguments nt

[LiberalElite]

111. Here's JFK's raised finger

[LiberalElite]

113. Here's Hillary's raised finger

[PatrickforO]

4. Geez. Bernie's been doing great so far with the positive campaign,

especially in the face of all the negative shit Clinton surrogates, and Clinton herself, have thrown at him.

She doesn't want a debate unless he changes his 'tone?' I guess my answer would begin with the letter 'f.'

[Duval]

93. It's HER tone that irritates me.

My answer would begin with the same letter as yours, btw.

[RoccoR5955]

5. Another hit piece from a rag

that supports Clinton.
The premise is a big steaming pile of bovine fecal matter, in that it equates discussing differences in issues as attacks.
Clinton's Camp Weathervane is VERY scared that they will lose.

[arcane1]

6. "Clinton Campaign Chickens Out of Debate with Sanders in New York" n/t

[daleanime]

30. "Hillary refuses to come home for family discussion.....

[dpatbrown]

7. Idiot!

Benenson, Clinton's chief strategist, is an idiot and a mouse.

[montanacowboy]

8. Are You Shitting Me?

I am sure Bernie will change his "tone" for the queenbee

These entitled Clintons - they are what is wrong with this country

[HillareeeHillaraah]

54. How good of you

To distill our nation's challenges down to its core source: the Clintons

Hyperbole, much?

[Helen Borg]

9. The CA debate should take place at the TYT!

[daleanime]

31. +1

[jalan48]

10. Kiss her ring Bernie, that should help.

[Fritz Walter]

89. This ring?

Her Panda Ring.

One ring to rule them all.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Yeah, well

Politics, where all the rats only have one hole. When you need something a whole lot more than your opponent, this is how you can expect to be treated.

[xocet]

12. Translation of Sec. Clinton's campaign's remarks: "Exposure hurts our campaign; no more debates."

n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Nailed it!

[Iggo]

45. Exactly. (n/t)

[Duval]

94. That's it!! nt

[RufusTFirefly]

13. Another truly pathetic excuse

A bit like "I'll release my transcripts as soon as they release theirs."

http://iwilllookintoit.com

[paleotn]

70. Comments on the pic above, Clintonites?......

.....waiting.......

[Arizona Roadrunner]

14. I Wonder how many votes for Clinton that Benenson just lost for her?

It is bad enough that Clinton is such a flawed candidate but the people around her are even worse. Really builds enthusiasm and comfort with her and her "team"....... By the way, isn't Benenson a corporate lobbyist for wall Street firms?

[morningfog]

15. Says Donald Trump, er, sorry, Hillary Clinton.

[LibDemAlways]

16. Reminds me of a parent scolding a child

with, "Don't you dare talk to me that way," even if what the kid said was absolutely spot on and completely justified. Disgusting bullying behavior.

Today I'm seeing a whole lot of the corporate media downplaying and speaking dismissively of Bernie's big wins over the weekend. Just part of the media and Hillary campaign strategy of keeping him "at heel."

[Cobalt Violet]

17. That's so weak.

[Purveyor]

18. Well there now...take THAT!!!

[wendylaroux]

87. damn this dandruff..

[clg311]

19. Another reason why she isn't fit to be president.

She's the most conniving politician since Richard Nixon.

[C Moon]

20. She's jealous over the bird bit. nt

[salinsky]

21. Hillary can't expect Bernie to change his tone ...

... tone-deaf people aren't capable of changing their tone.

[shawn703]

23. Haha what a chickenshit

How is Hillary going to deal with world leaders if she can't even deal with Sanders?

[Divernan]

48. Hillary to Angela Merkel: "I don't like your tone, Missy!"

As I occasionally was known to say to my 12 year old, going through a rebellious stage, daughter.

[greymouse]

64. ha ha ha ha ha

[Omaha Steve]

24. unlocking MY BAD Third day on the job

Please continue.

OS

[ViseGrip]

26. Bernie has been a gentleman who tells the truth, and only brings about facts.

[hrmjustin]

27. He needs a debate and she doesn't. He needs to ask, not demand.

[greymouse]

34. please mama, please queen, please please please

Is that what you mean?

[Cryptoad]

35. "shut up, dont stand next ot me"

[Gene Debs]

67. Clinton and Wasserman Schultz are sweating at the thought of another debate, and they'll do

anything in their power to avoid it. They both know that the more exposure Clinton gets, the more obvious it is that she's a deeply, deeply flawed candidate, and her numbers invariably go down. Why do you think they only scheduled six Democratic primary debates at all, when in 2008 they had twenty-four? They figured they just had to keep things quiet for a short while and limit Clinton's exposure so they could just hand her the nomination.

Remember how Camp Clinton fought tooth and nail against scheduling any additional debates—until it became apparent that Sanders was actually eating into her lead, and her coronation was threatened? And then they agreed, suddenly, to two more, so they could whip the tarp off the new Clinton 2.0, into which they'd hurriedly installed all the features that was attracting buyers to the new guy? I sure do.

You're right, though, in that she doesn't need another debate, but not in the way you imagine...In reality she doesn't need another debate in much the same way the Titanic doesn't need another iceberg. And she and Wasserman Schultz know it all too well.

[greymouse]

29. His tone? You mean bend down and lick Hillary's shoes? I think not.

[angrychair]

36. Doesn't he know who she is?!?!?!?!

She is one of the political and economic elite! She is part of the Clinton/Bush royalty that has been ruling this land, in one capacity or another, for 35 straight years!
So is "watch you tone" another way of putting the uppity Jew in his place?

[SHRED]

38. Words like "tone" and "negative" have zero meaning without specifics

[Iggo]

41. Fuck tone, Joel.

[Duppers]

42. Tone?! At least he and his team do not lie

about Hillary.

[sgmcenroe]

44. Running Scared

The Clinton campaign is starting to run scared. Despite the MSM's best efforts, this campaign is not over and Bernie is beginning to close the gap. Note that the MSM did their best to not cover Sanders' 3 state sweep by overwhelming margins this past weekend. And Hillary's campaign - no debate unless Bernie changes his "tone". What BS - it might be time for HRC to change her tone.

[ejbr]

47. So a debate

should be for patty cakes. Got it

[SmittynMo]

49. So her answer is "Cry Cry Cry til he changes his tone", and, "He's picking on me again"? OMG

This is beyond sickening.

[Zira]

51. Those phrases have a rhythm to them that easily translates to song.

[timmymoff]

63. Love the idea

Someone should start that in social media. But insist she release her transcripts so we know how much to send her for the debate time.

[lakeguy]

68. that's the PERFECT response...

then she can tell Bernie to "cut it out" in person, just like she supposedly did with the banks.

[eggplant]

83. DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!

We have a winner!

[Madam Mossfern]

53. What amazes me is that no one

sees the sexism in this request. Have you ever heard of any candidate complaining about the "tone" of another as a reason to debate or not? It makes Clinton seem even weaker and assumes the mantle of the 'helpless woman.'

[farleftlib]

58. You said it!

She wants to have it both ways. She says she's tough and capable but and she can sling the mud like nobody's business. But she sure can't take any dissent or criticism. She's a whiner and a moaner and it's not presidential.

[greymouse]

66. my thoughts also, Madam Mossfern.

Can you imagine Obama complaining about Hillary's tone in 2008?

[passiveporcupine]

55. Who is she to say he shouldn't go negative?

[Zen Democrat]

57. Hillary's aides are hurting her by pissing off Bernie supporters with stuff like "tone."

When Hillary's tone is shrill and harsh. She's gone far more negative on Bernie than he on she. Even Bill and Chelsea have lied about Bernie.

Tone, ha!

[-none]

59. Translation for "Sanders needs to change 'tone' if he wants NY debate"

"Bernie should be campaigning for me."

[pnwmom]

65. They've already had 8 debates and 10 Town Halls and Bernie's been a broken record

saying the same three things endlessly in all of them -- and all nationally broadcast.

What a waste of Hillary's time, giving him yet another showcase to repeat himself yet again.

[greymouse]

69. unlike Hillary, of course

who changes what she says depending on the audience.

[Gene Debs]

72. It's called "a consistent message." Whereas Clinton has different policy positions

for every audience. And changes those if they don't poll well.

[pnwmom]

78. Hillary gets asked different questions at each event, and gives thoughtful replies.

Bernie gets asked different questions and ignores them to give his canned replies.

[Gene Debs]

79. Do you know what Clinton's actually doing, that you're mistaking for "thoughtfulness"? She's

slowly and methodically building her answer while trying to remember what she said yesterday, in an attempt to make sure it all matches up. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

[pnwmom]

86. By thoughtful I meant that she actually thought about and answered

what the interviewer was asking, as opposed to Bernie who merely looks for the fastest way to seque into one of his canned responses.

[LadyHawkAZ]

76. Which of his policies,specifically, were you hoping he would change?

[pnwmom]

82. His free tuition plan has no hope of passing because it depends on the same Governors

agreeing to take a 1 to 2 Federal Cost matching deal who already turned down a 1 to 9 cost matching deal on the Medicaid expansion.

I would rather a plan like Hillary's, that targeted all the aid at students who need it, allowing them to graduate debt free.

I also don't think the time is right for a candidate to be advocating for single payer. That would mean both parties would be criticizing Obamacare and the voters would choose the alternate plan they thought would be cheaper . Bernie plans to raise taxes on everyone to do it and that will never fly.

And I would like a President who had Hillary's knowledge of foreign affairs, not Bernie's.

[LadyHawkAZ]

99. Basically you want him to switch to her policies??

I kinda think there was a reason he didn't hold her policies in the first place.

[pnwmom]

102. You asked me a question and I answered it. But he has recently been quoted

as saying that he won't endorse her unless she switches to his policies.

So fair is fair.

[glowing]

71. Negative is pointing out policy distinctions now? LOL

And after the smear campaign they pulled trying to make Bernie appear like a racist? Crazy, crazy, crazy!

[LadyHawkAZ]

75. Imagine the reaction if Sanders said that about Clinton n/t

[geek tragedy]

101. your avatar is out of date. nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

109. No

If she gets the nomination she will be the more qualified candidate and I will vote for her. I would prefer, however, not to be required to since there is a substantially better candidate available.

[JDPriestly]

84. I have not seen any negative ads by Bernie.

Has anyone else?

I don't watch TV, so it is possible that there are some.

What is the story on this?

Hillary is just running scared because Bernie won three states by huge margins on the weekend.

[FailureToCommunicate]

85. "They're planning to run more (negative ads)," says Joel Benenson. Um, how does he know that?

Is he clairvoyant?

"This is a man who said he'd never run a negative ad ever. He's now running them. They're planning to run more," Joel Benenson, Clinton's chief strategist, said on CNN. "Let's see the tone of the campaign he wants to run before we get to any other questions."

[secondwind]

90. WHO IS SHE TO DICTATE LIKE THIS?

[Hugabear]

95. In other words: Sanders needs to stop talking about real issues

This is an election campaign. Part of that process means talking about what separates you from your opponent. How is that being "negative"?

[ConsiderThis_2016]

97. 3rd way / Goldman Sachs... "Cut it Out"!

If she can just hold her breath long enough...

[ConsiderThis_2016]

100. They could hold the debate at the Clinton Foundation property...

Downtown near Wall Street. :-/

[DrBulldog]

98. Bernie's negative ads - ?

Translation: Bernie is telling the people the DOCUMENTED TRUTH about her. And there is so much "good stuff" to tell!

[paleotn]

103. Reminds me of a scene from the HBO series, Rome....

Niobe, in response to similar bullshit from her husband Vorenus....."Tone?! My father's c---! How's that for tone?!

[chervilant]

104. Some on social media

are calling for a whaaaambulance for poor Hi11ary. I think a lot of people view her current campaign strategy unfavorably.

[retrowire]

105. Bernie's tone is too much for her?

How's she going to handle Trump?

WOW. She really shouldn't be our nominee.

[Kalidurga]

106. If it was up to me the next ad would be...

Bernie Sanders has asked for a debate in NY State, prior to the very important up coming primary. Hillary Clinton has demanded that in order for this to take place he must stop talking about her stands on the issues that are very important to the people of this country. Hillary Clinton claims several ads are negative without challenging a single one of them on substance. This appears more a way to avoid a debate than an actual concern about the tone of some ads which contents are on Hillary's policy and not her fitness to assume the office of the President of the United States. However, her insistence on a change in tone suggests that Hillary might not be up to the rigors of the office as many world leaders will have an unpleasant tone.

[Old Vet]

107. Are you shitting me .....His tone..........

If Bernies tone is to harsh trump will eat her for lunch.

[whereisjustice]

108. For someone who wanted to join the Marines and came under sniper fire... she sure has thin skin.

[tomm2thumbs]

112. they want voters to imagine

Bernie beating her over the head with his fingertip during a debate

bwhahahahahaha

[etherealtruth]

115. I am sorry, LOCKING

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