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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 12:54 PM Mar 2016

Senate leader to attorney general: Defend LGBT law or resign

Source: Greensboro News & Record

A top legislative Republican says North Carolina's Democratic attorney general should resign if he won't defend a far-reaching new state law that in part voids Charlotte's anti-discrimination ordinance.

Senate Leader Phil Berger said Tuesday that Attorney General Roy Cooper appears to be pandering to left-wing backers as he runs for governor against incumbent Republican Gov. Pat McCrory. Berger says Cooper's campaigning is making it impossible for him to fulfill his duties as attorney general.

Berger issued a statement after Cooper said he won't defend in court the new state law that prevents local governments from adopting anti-discrimination measures for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Cooper says in response to Berger's comments that he's doing his job and will keep doing it.


Read more: http://www.greensboro.com/news/government/attorney-general-cooper-won-t-defend-transgender-law-in-court/article_ba5c8e64-85cc-525e-a229-ccd2ac1f8e7e.html



This will get interesting. Maybe this will help us break the state free from Art Pope and his employees this November.
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Senate leader to attorney general: Defend LGBT law or resign (Original Post) Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 OP
North Carolina is going to lose this lawsuit Gothmog Mar 2016 #1
Yep Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #2
I believe he said the same thing wilt the stilt Mar 2016 #3
Different Senate leader DrToast Mar 2016 #42
Roy Cooper mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2016 #4
Like Roy Cooper Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #5
Me, too! Duval Mar 2016 #10
Fuck that. No deal. closeupready Mar 2016 #6
Doesn't a Democratic Official have the Religious Freedom (TM)... Mustellus Mar 2016 #7
excellent point! Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #13
Time to make another to Cooper2016 campaign. /nt NCjack Mar 2016 #8
Or bluestateguy Mar 2016 #9
Totally unethical -- he would deserve to lsoe his law license for that obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #25
Asshole! lark Mar 2016 #11
Ummm, you do understand that he IS defending LGBT rights Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #12
Yes, certainly do. lark Mar 2016 #15
Cool, just wanted to be sure Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #16
The new law is not constitutional, it's an illegal law. A state AG is not obligated to defend. vkkv Mar 2016 #14
Yes, and the LDS church helped pass Prop 8. longship Mar 2016 #21
The Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2016 #29
Not necessarily. branford Mar 2016 #30
If you won't defend the law that's gonna cause Major Corporations to run away from our state ... staggerleem Mar 2016 #17
.... shouldn't the same apply to Kim Davis in Kentucky? Myrina Mar 2016 #18
Well, to be fair, that demand was made when she refused by many here Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #20
The AG is only required to defend Constitutional laws. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #23
Yeah, like Phil Berger doing his job mountain grammy Mar 2016 #19
Attorney General to Senate leader: Go fuck yourself blackspade Mar 2016 #22
Cooper has been one of the good guys for a long time now obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #24
The sweet smell of testosterone surprises and confuses the Far Right. Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #26
Give a half assed defense to shut the right wingers up dlwickham Mar 2016 #27
Is he saying the same thing to his US Senators that refuse to do their job? dbackjon Mar 2016 #28
first thing I thought of too. FreedomRain Mar 2016 #32
I doubt it. 47of74 Mar 2016 #43
Can't he just appoint someone with the right credentials and will to defend it? FreedomRain Mar 2016 #31
I would think not Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #34
How is it "prima facie unconstitutional," branford Mar 2016 #39
Threats now, Bigot Phil. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #33
5 Democrats voted for that atrocity. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #35
Actually, 12 Democrats voted for it. jeff47 Mar 2016 #37
Attorney General is an elected position Tempest Mar 2016 #36
Theoretically, they could impeach the AG jeff47 Mar 2016 #38
Not necessarily. branford Mar 2016 #40
Oh man this is going to get ugly. Initech Mar 2016 #41

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,283 posts)
4. Roy Cooper
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:27 PM - Edit history (1)

is the guy who took over the Duke lacrosse case from Mike Nifong. Here he is dismissing the charges:



Here is last week, commenting on the new legislation. Hat tip, Joe.My.God:

Mustellus

(328 posts)
7. Doesn't a Democratic Official have the Religious Freedom (TM)...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
Mar 2016

.... to refuse to do his job too? Just like a Republican?

obamanut2012

(26,041 posts)
25. Totally unethical -- he would deserve to lsoe his law license for that
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

He's been one of the good guys for a long time now, and he is doing this the right way!

lark

(23,059 posts)
11. Asshole!
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

How about the attorney general supports the law of the country and not some backhand attempt at making discrimination OK?

lark

(23,059 posts)
15. Yes, certainly do.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

I was calling the person (being nice) who wanted him to enforce lgbt discrimination an asshole, not the AG. He's the good guy in this. Sorry I wasn't clear who I was calling the ass.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
14. The new law is not constitutional, it's an illegal law. A state AG is not obligated to defend.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

The same thing happened here in Calif. re: anti- same sex marriage Prop 8.

I think it was then State AG Jerry Brown who would not defend it in court even though it actually passed a popular vote in a general election.
Gawd that Prop 8 was embarrassing for lefty Californians.. Lot's of out of state money came in on that one...


longship

(40,416 posts)
21. Yes, and the LDS church helped pass Prop 8.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

They were all over the state poking their sticky fingers into things. What did they think? That CA was UT?

Nevertheless, they helped get it passed. Amazingly.

I lived in Ontario, CA at the time. My whole family voted against it. But the Mormons were all over the place lobbying for it.

Thankfully it did not last long.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
29. The Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

Was also a strong supporter of Prop 8. The man is a flaming homophobe.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
30. Not necessarily.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Cooper doesn't appear to be claiming that the law is actually unconstitutional, but rather that it's a "national embarrassment" and bad for the economy. It seems he can legally defend the law, but just doesn't want to. That might be a big problem for a public servant.

If Cooper's asserted basis for refusing to discharge the duties of his office is just that he doesn't like a law, no matter how strong his feelings or how much we might agree, rather than proffering a strong legitimate basis for its unconstitutionally, he might find himself and his office is in a great deal of trouble in court. If that's the case, a court could publicly admonish him, direct other attorneys from the state AG's office to defend the law, and warn that his interference in such defense or anything less than unequivocal zealous representation will result in sanction. At the very least, the state AG might need to fund private counsel's defense of the law on behalf of the legislature. In any event, if the legislature so wishes, the statute will be properly defended in court.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
17. If you won't defend the law that's gonna cause Major Corporations to run away from our state ...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

... then you can go run after them!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
18. .... shouldn't the same apply to Kim Davis in Kentucky?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

Do your job or resign?

How come it never came to that?? /rhetorical question

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
20. Well, to be fair, that demand was made when she refused by many here
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

The difference is she had no discretion about her job, but Cooper does. A county clerk does not get to pick and choose what laws to obey. A state AG, however, does have discretion about defending/pursuing law suits.

SunSeeker

(51,504 posts)
23. The AG is only required to defend Constitutional laws.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

Indeed, as an attorney and officer of the court, he is precluded by ethics rules to present a sham defense of a law he knows is unconstitutional. The ant-LGBT law is unconstitutional on its face.

Kim Davis is only required to comply with Constitutional laws. However she, like the AG, must comply with the Constitutional requirements of their job, which in her case include issuing marriage licenses in a nondiscriminatory manner. She failed to do that. She should have been fired.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
22. Attorney General to Senate leader: Go fuck yourself
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016
"Berger says Cooper's campaigning is making it impossible for him to fulfill his duties as attorney general."


Says the asshole that can't fulfill his duties as a Senate leader because of his feeble intelligence.

obamanut2012

(26,041 posts)
24. Cooper has been one of the good guys for a long time now
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

I've voted for him.

I hope he is NC's next Governor.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
43. I doubt it.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:52 PM
Mar 2016

Of course for these teafucklicans racism is a valid excuse for not doing their goddamn jobs.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
39. How is it "prima facie unconstitutional,"
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

and where did Cooper ever make such a claim?

As an attorney, I can assure you that just because a law is bad or offensive does not render it unconstitutional or even necessarily contrary to federal law.

Despite the wishes of the some government and private organizations and most people on DU (including myself), it has not been established in the courts that the Equal Protection Clause or other constitutional provisions protect access to restrooms and similar areas based on gender identity, nor does federal discrimination law explicitly protect transgender individuals. Although some lower courts have tried to interpret current law to do so, they are in the clear minority. In fact, segregation based on sex in lavatories, lockers and similar locations has generally been recognized as a legitimate exception to sex nondiscrimination statutes. Lastly, absent the rare provisions in a state constitution, state legislatures can, and very often do, preempt laws of cities and towns.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
37. Actually, 12 Democrats voted for it.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

Passage was guaranteed due to roughly 2/3rds Republican majority, so they probably thought a little pandering to the fainting couch brigade wouldn't be bad.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
38. Theoretically, they could impeach the AG
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

But that would probably greatly help his campaign for Governor.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
40. Not necessarily.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 07:10 PM
Mar 2016

See my Post #30 above.

Cooper, as both the State AG and officer of the court, may indeed have certain legally enforceable obligations.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
41. Oh man this is going to get ugly.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

But if it takes down "religious freedom" all the way to SCOTUS, I'm all for it!

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