Hillary Clinton: Anti-abortion women can still be feminists

[Cheese Sandwich]

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Source: CNN

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton explained her position on abortion and feminism Tuesday, arguing that while she supports abortion rights, women who don't can "absolutely" be considered feminists.

In a comment that rankled both conservatives and abortion activists, Clinton said during an interview with NBC's "Meet The Press" Sunday that "the unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights."

Clinton stood by that statement during her first interview on ABC's "The View" as a 2016 candidate.

"Under our law that is the case," the former secretary of state said. "I support Roe v. Wade because I think it is an important statement about the importance of a women making this most difficult decision with consolations by whom she chooses, her doctor, her faith, her family."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/politics/hillary-clinton-abortion-women-feminist/index.html

[DesertFlower]

1. your point is?

[cprise]

2. She's delusional. n/t

[DesertFlower]

3. in what way?

[cprise]

24. You think Ann Coulter is a feminist. That speaks volumes.

[Zira]

57. She's a dishonest neocon warhawk.

[cprise]

61. I like your tagline! n/t

[Zira]

64. Thanks!

[Feeling the Bern]

4. Equal rights, but no right to control your body. That's real feminism right right, Camp Weathervane

Stanton and Anthony would be so proud!

[DesertFlower]

6. i know successful women who are

pro life. are you going to say they're not feminists?

how about ann coulter? just today she said she's been pro life since her teenage years. does that mean she's not a feminist?

[Feeling the Bern]

7. ANN COULTER!?!?!? You're using Ann Coulter to make your point

Goodbye! I'm not even going to respond to this anymore. You've exposed yourself!

[Lucky Luciano]

9. The stupid is strong with that one. nt

[DesertFlower]

10. i hate the woman, but she

was on MSNBC this morning.

[SusanCalvin]

44. And? So?

Wha? Does the fact that she was on MSNBC make her "successful"? Is that why you're citing her? Your line of reasoning makes no sense.

[passiveporcupine]

53. Is the fact that she makes a lot of money like Trump does

By saying horrific things all the time...does that mean she's a feminist?

What is a feminist?

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.

Well guess what...economic, personal and social rights for women are all affected by the right to determine when they will have a child and when they won't.

IF you don't give them that right, then you are not a fucking feminist.

That means you Coulter. And Hillary!

[Judi Lynn]

31. Unbelievable! Someone's in the wrong place. n/t

[SusanCalvin]

42. Look below. Thinks she's in the Hill group. nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

8. Successful doesn't equal "feminist".

Only a Hillary supporter would equate being wealthy with being a feminist. What an absurd statement.

[DesertFlower]

11. that's a stupid statement.

you don't have to be wealthy to be a feminist or successful.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

13. You equated success to being a feminist.

You're right it was stupid. Care to walk it back?

[DesertFlower]

14. no. you can be a feminist and be successful, but

not wealthy.

what are you doing in the hillary clinton group? don't you want to post somewhere else?

good night.

[SusanCalvin]

36. You think you're in the Hillary group? Oooooookaaaay...

Hmmm..... That might explain a lot.

[JoeyT]

15. I'll say that.

Believing women don't have control over their own bodies absolutely makes a person not a feminist. Owning your own body is kind of a core part of being considered a person.

[DesertFlower]

17. that's up to a woman to decide.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

18. "Decide" implies that there is a "choice".

If you take away that "choice" there is nothing to "decide". You cannot be a feminist if you don't think women have the right to "decide" what they do with their own body.

[SusanCalvin]

40. Whaaaaaaaaa?????? nt

[uppityperson]

49. A woman can choose whether or not she owns her own body?Believing in having the choice is pro-choice

The opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice, not pro-life. Except for those who murder without a care, we are all pro-life.

[elljay]

63. Exactly!

It bothers me when we adopt their terminology. Hillary's reference to "unborn person" is unacceptable, as is calling them "pro-life". I prefer the term "forced birther" but anti-choice is good, too.

[Kelvin Mace]

19. Ummm, sure a pro-lifer can be a feminist

as long as her decision to be pro-life is for her own body and no one elses.

But, once you decide that you can tell other women what they can, or cannot do, with their bodies, you are no longer a feminist.

[DesertFlower]

25. you're absolutely right. i don't recall that coming

up in the conversation.

btw. paula faris (the view) is pro life and asked the question about being a feminist. she's a feminist and also successful.

[SusanCalvin]

28. If she looks to control any body but her own, she ain't a feminist.

You keep bringing up "successful" as if that's some kind of credential. The Queen of Sheba doesn't get to tell me what to do with my body.

And if you're talking about people making their own decisions, why'd you even bother to post? Nobody disagrees with that.

[SusanCalvin]

27. They can be "pro life" with regard to *themselves* all they want.

Against abortion? Don't have one.

[SusanCalvin]

37. If they think anyone but me has the right to control my body,

They may be "successful," but they ain't feminists. See the difference?

[loyalsister]

39. A feminist who doesn't think women should have the right to vote????

Although, I think it could be entertaining to see someone call Ann Coulter a feminist to her face.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ann-coulter-women-should-not-have-right-vote-they-can-still-write-books

[SusanCalvin]

43. Well, the fact that she's Ann Coulter sure means she's not a feminist.... nt

[DirkGently]

52. Or maybe the fact she's said women shouldn't

have the right to vote?

An October 2 New York Observer blog post featuring excerpts of an interview with right-wing pundit Ann Coulter quoted her as saying: "If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat [sic] president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine, but I don't think it's going to happen.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2007/10/04/coulter-if-we-took-away-womens-right-to-vote-we/140037

[Odin2005]

69. That you confuse "successful woman" with "feminist" says a lot

Classic bourgeois fake "feminism" for "empowered" female members of the 1%.

[denbot]

5. Triangulation

Then spin, wash, rinse, and repeat.

[reddread]

12. because weathervane

never so clear

[Nyan]

16. She's going for republican women.

Praising Megyn Kelly, and then pandering to anti-choice people.
In her head, she's running in GE already.

[DesertFlower]

20. it seems you bernie supporters

will look for any little thing to trash hillary.

have a good night. i'm ready to barf. enough of your negative shit.

bernie is speaking now. i'd like to hear what he has to say.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

21. Which Ann Coulter book are you going to read?

...

[DesertFlower]

22. are you that stupid that you don't pay

attention to what repubs say? i could say something really nasty but i'm not going to bring myself to your level. instead i'll put your on "ignore"

[ForgoTheConsequence]

23. You said Ann Coulter is a feminist.

That's pretty dumb in and of itself.

[deutsey]

29. Incredible, isn't it? n/t

[SusanCalvin]

33. Seriously?

Phyllis Schlafly too?

[SusanCalvin]

30. "bernie is speaking now. i'd like to hear what he has to say"

Uh, no one is stopping you. You are not required to reply in real time, you know....

[SusanCalvin]

38. "any little thing"

You mean like calling anti-choicers "feminists"?

[Odin2005]

68. Her defending anti-abortion bigots make me ready to barf.

[SusanCalvin]

26. No. Just no.

Anybody who thinks I don't have the right to control my own body better not call themselves a feminist within my earshot.

[HassleCat]

32. Why not?

People who blow the tops off mountains and ruin the rivers are environmentalists. Just because I have four martinis before I get behind the wheel doesn't mean I'm not a responsible driver. Who are you to judge? Let the person who is without sin cast the first stone! And so on. Moral relativism is great.

[SusanCalvin]

35. Heh.

And "get behind the whee" is the best typo ever!

Awwwww - did I misread or did you correct it?

[HassleCat]

41. You caught it

Even though I did correct it pretty quickly. Good eye. Whee!

[Demobrat]

34. No feminist would dream of telling another woman

what to do with her body. Especially as regards pregnancy and motherhood. End of story.

[CharlotteVale]

47. Yep, bottom line.

[Zira]

59. +10000

[Lancero]

45. #HillarysFeminism

Hillary's already getting started on her compromises I see.

Wonder what her next compromise will be?

[CharlotteVale]

46. Next she'll say frackers can be environmentalists.

[SoapBox]

48. ...you beat me to it.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[SHRED]

50. Well she does favor fracking afterall

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511630955

[passiveporcupine]

51. She is so fucked up about this.

Ugh...I keep thinking I can't find more to despise about her. I keep finding out I'm wrong.

[bbgrunt]

54. more weasel words from Clinton--always a foot in both camps.

[mac56]

55. You have got to be kidding.

[Zira]

56. NO. Women who don't believe women should control their own bodies are NOT feminsts.

You nasty hag.

And stay the f* out of my uterus Mrs. Clinton.

[Freddie]

58. I'm not a Hillary-hater

But she's wrong here.
This should be enshrined in the Constitution: A woman has the absolute right to decide for herself whether, when, and how many children she will bear. Anything less and she is a second-class citizen.
There's so much horrific woman-hating extremism on the other side, opinions that would have been unfathomable just a few years ago. We don't need wavering on this side of the aisle.

[Zira]

62. +10000

[the_sly_pig]

60. Everyone is anti-abortion...

The correct term is anti-choice. I doubt any true feminist would agree to giving up control of her body.

[mountain grammy]

65. If a woman is anti abortion, it's her CHOICE..

That's what pro choice means. Be anti abortion all you want, just stay out of other women's private business. No one is forcing anyone to end a pregnancy, just like no one should force anyone to continue a pregnancy. If the government can do one, it can do the other.

[Jopin Klobe]

66. Let's all understand ...

... we're talking about anti-choice ...

... not pro life ...

... if they were pro life, they would advocate for contraception education so that there would be less chance of a female getting pregnant to begin with ...

[Odin2005]

67. LOL, so "progressive" she is.

[one_voice]

70. Locking...

Doesn't meet SoP for LBN. Better suited for GDP. Please re-post there.

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