Hillary Clinton Questions Whether Bernie Sanders Is a Democrat: 'I'm Not Even Sure He Is One'
Source: ABC News
Hillary Clinton questioned Bernie Sanders’ loyalty to the Democratic Party in an interview on the Politico podcast "Off Message," saying she’s not even sure her Democratic presidential opponent is a Democrat.
“He’s a relatively new Democrat,” Clinton said. “I’m not even sure he is one. He's running as one. So I don't know quite how to characterize him. I'll leave that to him.”
“But I know there's a big difference between Democrats and Republicans, and I know that Senator Sanders spends a lot of time attacking my husband, attacking President Obama, you know, calling President Obama weak and disappointing, and actually making a move in 2012 to recruit somebody to run a primary against him,” Clinton said. “I rarely hear him say anything negative about George W. Bush, who I think wrecked our economy, just not to put too fine a point on it.”
Clinton has increasingly been using this line of attack in the past few days. In an interview on "Morning Joe" this morning, Clinton said she was unsure if Sanders should be running against her, because “he himself doesn’t consider himself to be a Democrat.”
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-questions-bernie-sanders-democrat-im/story?id=38194190
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Vinca
(53,933 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,676 posts)Anyone who wants to keep it as is, or expand/improve it, that's a Democrat.
Anyone who wants to save money by messing with the inflation index, or wants to "means-test" eligibility, that's a Republican.
Roe v Wade is another good test.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)
jwirr
(39,215 posts)sublimecabbie
(14 posts)aren't Democrats.
840high
(17,196 posts)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I personally consider her delight in identifying as a Goldwater Girl as proof positive that she isn't a dem.
Zira
(1,054 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)not sure? put it on ignore?
I would not do that , need to know what things people are saying, just like not putting tea party friends on ignore.
Pauldg47
(644 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)So I think "relatively new Democrat" is a reasonable description.
I would think that if he were return to Congress, he would do so as an Independent and not a Democrat.
joealexander
(14 posts)I would agree with your take. But I honestly do think that Clinton's aggressive moves against Sanders over the past few days, don't gain her any additional votes for the primary--but are the kind of statements that might lessen support for her if she is chosen for the general election.
She's free to
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think Clinton is best served by laying off Sanders and focusing on what she believes to be her strengths as a candidate.
revbones
(3,660 posts)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Hillary and Bernie.
wisteria
(19,581 posts)Sander's is simply using the party and his supporters to feed his ego and push his poorly thought out ideas. That is my opinion, and I don't care if you don't like it or me.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)and I don't care if you like me, hate me, feel sort of ambivalent toward me, are madly in love with me, think I'm kind of fun at parties but a bit embarrassing in real life, want to drive over me with a lawn mower, find me strangely compelling, or have absolutely no opinion whatsoever about me or my existence!
I don't care about any of those things, and I don't care if you don't care that I don't care either. I don't care so much that I'm going to make sure everyone knows I don't care. Do you care? I don't!
That's my opinion and I don't care whether I have an opinion or not.
Take that! But don't think I care whether you do or not. 'Cuz I don't.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)the memes word for word according to your memo. why does billary, then, try to follow bernie's stands on the issues and try to make them her own? billary is using the party to get her entitled crown. she has no ideas of her own except to get the crown and she will do anything, say anything to get her precious.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Is Obama a Muslim? "Well he says he isn't" the Queen says.
Bernie is more of a FDR Democrat. I prefer him over her. She's forgotten what Democrats stand for.
dchill
(42,660 posts)
kacekwl
(9,130 posts)you want to call him . All that matters is he is an honest compassionate man who I believe wants to save the vast majority of people in the U.S. from the robber barons and war hawks who put OBSCENE profit and power above all. I thought we had a chance at that for the last 8 years . This litterly May be our last chance.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)It din't work in 2008 and it isn't going to work now.
lastone
(588 posts)"late breaking news" I think not - just some mud to sling at an honest man.
HRC WAS a FUCKING REPUBLICAN - provable not just mud.
Fuck off HRC.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)And, Clinton was a Republicsn for a very short period of time. She' had a change of heart. Something is wrong with people who only see things in black and white and criticize other people who change and grow.
lastone
(588 posts)Over a long period of time perhaps, hrc changes her opinion based on the zip code and or the audience she's in front of, that's flip flopping...
SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)captainarizona
(363 posts)I am not sure she is.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Just like he has no doubt he is not.
dchill
(42,660 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)are not.
Zira
(1,054 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Are you ready Sanders supporters? Here comes the big wave of malignant talking points, barrelling toward us from Camp Weathervane's propaganda machine!
Owwweeee! Ain't that a fine taking point. Definitely part of the "discredit and disqualify" strategy that CNN said Hillary would be unleashing on Bernie STARTING TODAY! I guess that shellacking she took in Wisconsin didn't go over to well.
What I want to know--is this the "discredit" portion of the show, or is this the "disqualify" part???
If I'm under attack, like to know what's happening!
Assume crash positions Sanders supporters!
Incoming!!!
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Seriously, people in the 21st century rarely vote according to party affiliation. If anything, this is the year of change, of tossing the establishment, of looking at the individual, not at party affiliation.
Is she really that inept of a campaigner? Hell, yes.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Show some respect!
Camp Weathervane and her Digital Response Team Players worked all night on these attacks!
Would it kill you to be just a little demoralized?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)dat true.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about
Bernie, quit smearing Bernie already!
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Beernie Sanders:
Bernie Sanders raised eyebrows Monday when he admitted his decision to join the Democratic Party to run for president was not an ideological choice or driven by loyalty, but a way to hack the nominating process.
“Here’s the truth. You’re right, I am the longest serving independent in the history of the United States Congress,” the Vermont senator, who identifies as a Democratic Socialist, told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd during a town hall Monday night in Ohio.
“We did have to make that decision: Do you run as an independent? Do you run within the Democratic Party?” He said. “We concluded – and I think it was absolutely the right decision – that, A, in terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/sanders-yes-im-a-democrat-of-convenience
dchill
(42,660 posts)It's "corkscrewing" poll numbers in NY and PA that I suspect their internal polling is showing.
Wibly
(613 posts)From the Matron of Smear.
Actually, I'm not sure its at all artful. Seems rather banal to me.
Of course Sanders is a Democrat. He's caucused with them for years, supported them, worked with them. They accepted him as a candidate.
Clinton is just desperate and mean. I think its because deep in her heart she knows if she were running for the GOP she'd already have been the Presidential Candidate, and John McCain would have been her VP.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)the "desperate" takes active steps on her part.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)what it means to be one and can't even recognize one when she sees him.
jiminvegas
(104 posts)Lawmakers to NIH and HHS: Act Now on Drug Affordability
Monday, March 28, 2016
WASHINGTON, March 28 - A group of Senate and House lawmakers led by Reps. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) and Peter Welch (D-Vt.), co-chairs of the Prescription Drug Taskforce, as well as Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)
So even Bernie was not sure he was a Democrat as of last week.
Tempest
(14,591 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)but more so than Hillary.
Let me have a couple of drinks over this one... maybe then it will make sense.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Nothing Bernie can do to change that.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)
dogman
(6,073 posts)Corporate produced hybrid.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)ish of the hammer
(444 posts)
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I could spot Bernie as a typical core Democrat from the moment I heard his record. Shame she couldn't.
Once again she reveals her poor judgment.
PatV
(71 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)earthmanneil
(25 posts)I think the NY democratic primary is where the battle for the nomination starts to turn really ugly. Hillary Clinton seems to be ratcheting up her attack by doubling down on the proposition that Bernie Sanders is just not a “real democrat”. That Bernie Sanders has, over the years, caucused with and voted with the Democrats more often than various conservative---but official--- Democrats is irrelevant to this particular smear. That Bernie Sanders represents the core New Deal values that characterized the Democratic Party until Bill Clinton’s neo-liberal “Third Way” swerve is also irrelevant. That Bernie Sanders represents the large and growing chunk of the party’s grassroots that’s fighting to actually expand, democratize, and revitalize the Democratic Party is once again irrelevant. Apparently for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Party really only belongs to its long-time party apparatchiks and establishment approved candidates. I’m sure that Clinton and the DNC would have loved for Bernie to run on some independent third party ticket, a perennially losing proposition in a political system structurally constructed to only allow a narrow choice between 2 alternatives. So, if Bernie is not to be considered a legitimate part of the Democratic Party then neither are any of the newly registered Democratic voters, not to mention the millions of progressive democrats like myself that the party will absolutely need to win the general election.
BTW, after enjoying this site for quite a while, this is my first post now that I’m a “real” Democratic Underground member.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)
earthmanneil
(25 posts)Glad to be joining the great online discussion & debate at this exceptionally consequential moment in our nation's life. DU is one of the handful of political sites that opens its space to so many progressive voices and doesn't seem to censor/diminish the ones that some arbiter-owner doesn't agree with.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She is basically saying that millions of Democrats would prefer someone she doesn't believe is a Democrat over voting for her, the supposed Democrat. That's like being involved in a break-up and your family quits talking to you and stays friendly with your ex.
wolfie001
(7,615 posts)As she's pointing and yelling at us "mean Liberals". Fancy that, right?
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I wish I had known I wasn't a Democrat when I put in all the work for the Obama campaign in 2008. I could have saved some vacation days.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)But she is pushing it.
Just who does she think this is going to attract? It's sure not very attractive.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)From a master projectionist.
peace13
(11,076 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)What a really, really awful argument to make.
The simple and devastating counter to the argument is this:
'So what? Just look at the level of enthusiasm, especially among young voters who will be voting for years and years, he has brought to the race for the Democratic nomination. What's the smart move - assert that he's not even a Democrat and alienate a lot of those enthusiastic supporters, or embrace that enthusiasm and make good use of the probable hundreds of thousands or even millions of first-time Democrats he is bringing in?'
And to assert she 'rarely hear(s) him say anything negative about George W. Bush...'? Sanders' list of anti-Bush statements would dwarf Clinton's.
I'm a Sanders supporter, but I've never before said anything negative about statements that Hillary Clinton has personally made. I've criticized her campaign, the entire 'experience' narrative, and her vast corporate ties. This is the first time I've been moved to criticize her actual words...
closeupready
(29,503 posts)they poke fun of those they feel threaten them and their identity, hoping to deflect scrutiny from their OWN flaws and direct it towards those others.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)She's underestimating the ability of us peasants, especially the young, to use Google.
This is even more out of touch than when GHWB encountered his first checkout scanner in the supermarket.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)She's criticizing him for criticizing President Obama instead of Bush for things that Obama was actually responsible for, which is evil because he's a Democrat, and scolding him for not criticizing Bush instead, 'cuz, y'know, Bush.
So... The lesson is that you don't ever criticize the actions of a sitting President if she/he is a member of your political party. No separation of powers in this republic, thank you very much...
And... why would you do that anyway, 'cuz there are past presidents from that other political party who are perfect targets! It's not like criticizing them while they were actually president matters, anyway. Nobody remembers what anyone did back then - at least we really hope not...
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts) 
aggiesal
(10,766 posts)try and incorporate Sanders supporters.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)focus on defeating Sanders, soundly, once and for all.
Then confront Sanders supporters with a choice.
They can either sulk and sit on the sidelines.
Or they can join the fight.
I think after a little sulking, the grownup ones will join the fight, rather than sit it out and watch another Democratic President be succeeded by yet another Republican.
We haven't had back to back elected Democrats since LBJ won what would have been JFK's second term. And we haven't had an elected democrat succeed a two term democrat since Truman succeeded FDR. That was a LONG time ago.
No way any grown up democrat lets this opportunity slip, no matter how hard Hillary takes down Bernie.
aggiesal
(10,766 posts)a lot of Sanders supporters are not Democrats, they are Independents.
They don't care about the Democratic Party, they care about issues.
Without those votes, Hillary might not win, so you would think that
Hillary would try and court them.
This is not the way to do it.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)not me. Way to unite, Hill. By the way, I am a grown up and a dem. I don't need nor do I want your insults or hers.
JesterCS
(1,828 posts)The Hillary supporters are very nasty, pompous, and rude. I've tried to hold my tongue but sometimes I want to grab their head a shake it screaming, "Are you dense?"
Now I'm not saying ALL are, but the bad apples look more rotten on the Hillary side than Sa nders
PCPrincess
(68 posts)Why would we support them? I look at it like this: Choose Bernie and we are guaranteed a Democrat/Progressive in the Whitehouse; choose Hillary and take the chance of losing all future support from young and progressive Democrats and risk losing the election.
Most importantly, both Hillary and the candidates the Republicans are offering would be terrible for the majority of U.S. citizens. If Hillary wins, the citizens are stuck with her for eight years due to the difficulty in removing an incumbent. If a Republican wins, we have a good shot at removing them in four years.
So, if the DNC chooses Hillary, I'd much rather be looking at only four miserable years. Oh yeah, and I'm not holding my nose to vote as long as our country and its campaign system is this corrupt. We can't afford too.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)1) There are a great many very smart, mature, 'grown up' Democrats like me who are weary of the deterioration of the party into Republican-Lite. At the national level, the Democratic Party has become virtually indistinguishable from the corporate interests that finance it. We do have a lot of 'fight' in us, but it's very, very important, in a fight, to clearly identify your opponent.
2) I have a nephew who turned 18 this year, and grew up in Kansas. A very sharp young man. And, after years and years of parroting Republican nonsense, which, in Wichita, is ubiquitous, he did a sharp turn and started the process of thinking for himself. It's not an easy process for someone who's grown up in an extreme 'red state' area, with 'red state' parents. And my newly liberal nephew found a champion in Bernie Sanders. Just like literally millions of other young people, who may not be as battle-hardened or 'grown up' as some of us, but whose long-term perspectives on the democratic process in our country are going to be very substantially shaped by what happens if Sanders doesn't win the nomination. If people with your perspective win out, these young people will be bitter toward the Democratic party for a long time. Do you know what is likely to come from that? If the party isn't just an agent of corporate interests, but rather an organization dedicated the the political success of 'Democratic-Farmer-Laborer' principles, it should not be so stupid as to sit back and find out.
Ultimately, your 'join the fight' statement is absurd. What fight are you talking about? If you mean the ever-repeating game of 'elect someone who calls herself/himself a Democrat,' well, you're really just a pawn in someone else's fights.
Rilesome
(33 posts)Policies are another.
fbc
(1,668 posts)She is implying Bernie might be a republican lol. Yeah people will buy that.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)to shame, frankly. The Party -- and the country -- should be so lucky to have a Congress filled with Bernie Democrats.
unc70
(6,500 posts)And that is really not a good thing.
"I'm not even sure he is one.
She sounds like the stuff we laughed at when Trump said them about his opponents. And Clinton is not as good at that style attack as Trump is.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)after losing this contest.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And with her deadly vote on the IWR, undermining of civil rights, suppression of the vote, position(s) on the TPP and acceptance of speaking-fees-as-bribes, she would be unable to discern right from wrong, much less a Democrat from a Republican.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Expect this: Questioning Sanders' Jewishness, maybe with fake birth certificates or fake docs from Nazi Germany calling Sanders' identity as a Jew into question!
Does he HAVE a birth certificate? Demand that he produce it! Does he HAVE birth certificates for his 'lost' grandparents? Demand that he produce them! Did his alleged grandparents really die in the Holocaust death camps? Prove it, Bernie! And how is it that his parents escaped, to produce Bernie in Brooklyn? Hm? Hm? And (coup d'grace): Is he really a Jew at all, or a half Jew, or not a Jew? Prove it to us, Bernie!
Oh, this won't come from Hillary herself. It's a David Brock sort of project (or even lower in the basement--a swamp rat project).
And, after all, they are facing their 'Waterloo' in New York. This issue might "sell" there among some New Yorkers. Hit on it sideways; just plant doubts; circulate worse covertly.
They did it to Obama. They've done a rehearsal on Sanders with the photograph/John Lewis "dirty trick" and that had some effectiveness though it was completely false. Would the Clinton machine go so low? Of course they would. They already have.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)
MFM008
(20,042 posts)maybe.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Wonder when she's going to link Bernie to Bush Jr. with torture, pallying around....
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Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I'll vote for an independent socialist over a corporate Democrat.
Warpy
(114,584 posts)Sanders is not the enemy and there is no reason to go negative. And yes, I say the same to Sanders and his supporters. Yes, kids, you can be for a candidate without feeling compelled to slime any and all opposition.
She needs to save this bullshit for the November race or a hell of a lot of young Bernie fans are not going to vote for her.
We can't survive another Republican.
sus453
(164 posts)of a party label; I vote for the individual, the candidate's record, values, and sense of good judgment. George Wallace was a Democrat as was at one time, I think, Strom Thurmond, and today a plethora of careerist and corruptible blue dog Democrats.
ArcticFox
(1,249 posts)I mean, recently she claims to be one, but didn't she once campaign for a republican?
On edit: both Bernie and Hillary seem to be getting similar numbers of democratic votes, so it's disingenuous and petty to suggest either is "not a real democrat."
cloudbase
(6,263 posts)Bernie is a democrat.
The difference is significant.
wisteria
(19,581 posts)He hyjacked the party because he wanted to take advantage of Democrats to push his agenda.
What about what he stands for? What's more important for you, someone's ideals or the number of stamps on one's dance card?
PCPrincess
(68 posts)and it's hijacked, btw.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)Our Party has always been the party of the people. We don't need Sander's to tell us how it should be run. I have been a life long Democrat, and IMO, he Would destroy the party that I know and love. I stand by my remarks, he has hyjacked my party and he no real Democrat.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)
dflprincess
(29,335 posts)Strange how no one complained that Bernie isn't a Democrat when he caucused with them in the House and Senate.
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)Because he said so.
That's the way it works.
He didn't hijack shit.
shireen
(8,340 posts)I've tried very hard not to criticize Clinton over the past few months. But these statements are mean-spirited and misleading. Very disappointing.
angrychair
(12,243 posts)Oh yeah, 2008:
"Is Obama a Muslim? No. No. Why would I? No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.
Yes, I realize it was Clinton supporters that started the "is he a Muslim" myth and the "was he born in the United States " myth but that such things had their origin in her campaign supporters is very interesting.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)And then she could ask herself if she qualifies as a real Democrat. But Hillary has never been specific on anything.
We are reminded how Hillary questioned the patriotism of Obama, Michelle and their Rev Wright. Nasty stuff!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I mean, she's running as one. But she supported the Iraq War, NAFTA, the TPP, fracking, the Crime Omnibus, the bankruptcy bill, rejected marriage equality until 2013. ..
Heck, she was a Republican once - even a Goldwater Girl!
stuffmatters
(2,580 posts)And her Democratic apple, as you illustrate with those positions and more, still hasn't fallen far from the Republican tree.
jane123
(34 posts)There are a lot of democrats who wonder if she is a democrat at all when you look at her voting record, her policies and her frequent embrace of republican ideology.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)
THIS is her "winning strategy? She's running a horrible campaign. 
Hekate
(100,133 posts)He spent his adult life attacking Democrats for never being good enough, so he continues this habit.
“But I know there's a big difference between Democrats and Republicans, and I know that Senator Sanders spends a lot of time attacking my husband, attacking President Obama, you know, calling President Obama weak and disappointing, and actually making a move in 2012 to recruit somebody to run a primary against him,” Clinton said. “I rarely hear him say anything negative about George W. Bush, who I think wrecked our economy, just not to put too fine a point on it.”
Hillary is absolutely right. I think it's time for this particular flock of chickens to come home to roost on Bernie's podium.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)xloadiex
(628 posts) 
thereismore
(13,326 posts)blm
(114,646 posts)Doesn't seem right or fair to say, at all.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)he'll get my vote as well as money! 
4dsc
(5,787 posts)
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Get the fuck outta here!
cannabis_flower
(3,930 posts)comparing Bernie to Republicans for criticizing her, Bill and PBO is that Republicans criticize them for being too liberal and Bernie criticizes them for not being liberal enough. Big difference!
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I'm not sure if I like that book very much.
mark67
(196 posts)If anything, I think his job is to keep Hillary honest...
I respect his message and the enthusiasm of his supporters but if you understand anything about power, I seriously doubt he can get elected to the Presidency. I think the Republicans would rather run against him than Hillary. They'll crush him just using the Fidel Castro comments and with the socialist label. He looks like Mr. Magoo standing next to Trump.
But I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination.
mwooldri
(10,817 posts)Plus every politician - almost without an exception - is an opportunist. Everyone running for the Presidency is an opportunist.
Bernie is nothing like Mr. Trump. He's not a narcissist, disavows violence, and tries to be inclusive not exclusive.
Besides Bernie is a Social Democrat. He's more Norway than Castro. The Cold War generation are getting old and dying out... the Red Peril these days is living in a Republican State. I know socialism... and Bernie describing himself as a Democratic Socialist is in my eyes far fetched... he's a Social Democrat.
However Hillary on the other hand... spouse of Bill Clinton, who is a purveyor of Third Way policies... forged an alliance regarding Third Way with a certain Tony Blair... who then joined in with a certain George W Bush into a misadventure in Iraq. Plus Mrs. Clinton voted for this action. I could understand military action in Afghanistan after the attack in 2001.. but going back to Iraq... my colleague at work was correct in 1999 when she said if George W Bush gets in he'll find an excuse to go into Iraq again.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Cagey...very cagey
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)but he's as much a dem as anyone registered that way.
hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)But this stretch is hysterical! We're supposed to believe that Bernie is a fan of W? And when did Bernie ever call Obama weak? I hate it when she starts spewing this crap. It was one of the key reasons I voted for Obama. Her lying and smearing is stomach turning.
mudstump
(353 posts)
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)to ask that sort of question.
From her actions, what she does, not what she says, she is as much a RepubliCON as John McCain!
marble falls
(71,841 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)JesterCS
(1,828 posts)If it was a pro sanders poster/topic it would be locked in a min.
roamer65
(37,945 posts)
Splinter Cell
(703 posts)I know for sure she fuckin' isn't one.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts) roamer65
(37,945 posts)By historical standards, she is a moderate Rethuglican. It's just everything has slid so far to the right over the last 35 years, the boundaries aren't where they used to be.
Bernie Sanders is a FDR New Deal Democrat.
trueblue2007
(19,236 posts)He isn't a Democrat, he is an independent!
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)""The freedom of association part of the First Amendment protects political parties. If they want to nominate a non-member, they can do that," said Richard Winger, an expert on ballot access.
Winger pointed out several instances of a party nominating a non-member: 1872 when the Democratic Party chose Republican Horace Greeley; in 1864 when the Republican Party chose Democrat Andrew Johnson; and in 1952 when the Republican Party picked independent Dwight Eisenhower (who promptly changed his party registration).
- snip -
Unlike elsewhere in the world, joining the two major parties isn’t contingent upon membership fees or an application process. Party leaders also don’t have the power to say someone isn’t a Democrat or a Republican.
So political affiliation in the United States is a matter of self-identification, in both the governing system and the party organizations, experts said. That allows Sanders and other elected officials to be flexible.
- snip -
Sanders listed the Democratic Party as his party affiliation in his statement of candidacy."
That's it. Period.
This whole line of argument is ridiculous. Clinton is full of it.
Reter
(2,188 posts)I loath her.
Gore1FL
(22,943 posts)She's not very observational.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I don't even think she cares if she wins anymore.
moondust
(21,283 posts)Yup, it's all about the labels.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)RandySF
(83,933 posts)Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)He filed to run for the Presidency as a Democrat, if you want something "official."
But he doesn't need anything official. THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT IN THE UNITED STATES.
You say you are in one party one day, you are. You can change your mind the next day.
That's the way it works. You know, freedom of thought and expression?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)dem·o·crat
[ˈdeməˌkrat]
NOUN
an advocate or supporter of democracy.
a member of the Democratic Party.
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Rincewind
(1,355 posts)Sanders as been going around the country for months saying that he is not a Democrat. This would appear to be one of the few times he has told the truth lately.
Hissyspit
(45,790 posts)Glad to be of help clearing that up.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)Hillary is fighting for her own self interests.
pat_k
(13,328 posts)Hillary is not exhibiting her most attractive qualities.
I prefer to refrain from criticizing her. Too many are taking Hillary bashing too far and I have little desire to join in. But, after listening to her latest "tone," I can't help but wonder if she realizes how truly irritating it is.
I have a feeling it may not "play" well. But who knows. Maybe obnoxious is the new charisma.
What do I know?
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)He is a DINO
pat_k
(13,328 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)After this election is over he'll go back to being an independent
pat_k
(13,328 posts)but I have a feeling he may conclude that it's more effective to work to revitalize the party from within. Hope he keeps at it, regardless of outcome. I'd love to see him found something akin to DFA to recruit and elect like-minded Dems to all levels of gov.