Aurora victim's stepfather blasts Sanders over gun views

[riversedge]

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Source: usaTodaY



Heidi M Przybyla, USA TODAY

6:03 p.m. EDT April 7, 2016



Lonnie Phillips is filing for bankruptcy because he owes $203,000 to the company that sold his stepdaughter’s killer 4,000 rounds of ammunition over the Internet.

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Lucky Gunner was shielded from prosecution under a 2005 law that grants gun makers and sellers immunity from prosecution for crimes committed with their products. Bernie Sanders voted for the law while a member of the House, though he’s recently wavered over whether he supports it.


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“I don’t think he had any idea of the repercussions this law would cause,” Phillips said of Sanders. “I would like Bernie Sanders to at least apologize to us for the heartache this has caused.”

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During a recent New York Daily News editorial meeting, Sanders was asked whether victims of a crime committed with a gun should be able to sue the manufacturer. “No, I don’t,” he said, prompting a front-page reading “Bernie’s Sandy Hook Shame” and recriminations from Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy and Gov. Dan Malloy as well as a family member of a shooting victim from Newtown, Conn.



Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/07/bernie-sanders-guns-aurora/82721118/

[Democat]

1. Hasn't this been posted ten times already?

How about posting articles about people blasting Republicans for a change?

[Sherman A1]

2. I have seen it several times

hardly LBN.

[riversedge]

3. 6:03 p.m. EDT April 7, 2016 is the time, so it is within the alllotted time.

[MADem]

4. Heckuvajob, Bernie.

This is the first time I've seen this horrific story.

You can HIDE threads, you know.

The net nanny thing doesn't fly. This board moves quickly. Get used to it.

If you want to see posts blasting Republicans, post them. You have the power.

[Democat]

8. That's not the way it works

Reposting the same thing over and over again, especially when that thing is bashing Democrats, is not the purpose of DU.

[MADem]

17. HIDE THREAD "is" your friend.

The admins give you these tools for a reason.

This IS a primary issue, and I'm on the side of more gun control, not less--as are many Democrats.

[Amimnoch]

19. I'd so LOVE to be able to agree with you.

Unfortunately it has become tit for tat this Primary season.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1406216

Especially when the season had kicked off so wonderfully:


The whole movement has gone from getting out our candidates positive messages to mud slinging.

When you really believe in the candidate you are supporting, and make no mistake BOTH sides do really believe in their candidates, it's hard not to get caught up in it and not want to go on the attack.

[Angrydemex]

18. *sniff*

I smell a troll.

[leftynyc]

26. Do you, newbie?

You're calling someone with over 125K posts who has been here over a decade a troll? With your grand total of 30 posts? Seriously? How about you learn some manners.

[jtuck004]

9. Maybe we could sue Chevrolet every time a drunk drives their car into something?

This person is required to pay the costs HE created by filing a spurious lawsuit that his competent attorney advised him would cost him.

Grief makes people do irrational things, and lashing out at people who had nothing to do with your problem is one of those.

I'm not gonna leave 100 million people in poverty or as working poor because a grief-stricken person can't take good legal advice when it is given to them,

Heck, we get a president who doesn't spend their time calling people thug's and deadbeats, maybe we can concentrate on addressing the problems of those who are mentally ill, and actually prevent a shooting.

Unless it is more important to be the kind of snake who uses the utter tragedy of these children for one's personal political gain.

[ejbr]

16. +1

The logic doesn't add up, but some people will use any excuse to lash out at someone. If you can sue a company for selling a legal product, then ANY company can be sued for misuse of their product. Bernie wants to ban these weapons, but he is evil for this logical approach to things. SMH

[7962]

29. Sanders keeps winning states & you'll see how far her people will go.

There are no depths too low.

[7962]

27. Same shit different day. I guess the marching orders have been given.

I guess the clinton crowd thinks the average voter is too stupid to understand how the LAW works

[Bad Dog]

5. He should be blasting his lawyer for taking on the case in the first place.

It's a terrible story but I don't see what it has to do with Sanders.

[pandr32]

10. His vote

He voted to give gun makers immunity from lawsuits. They can't be held liable for the harm they cause and their obscene profits are protected.

[eridani]

11. So? If someone stabs you, you'll sue Ginsu? n/t

[pandr32]

15. Good grief! You want me to take you seriously?

A Bushmaster XM15 is designed as a killing machine, kitchen knives are designed to dice onions.

[eridani]

22. So? Killing machines are unfortunately legal products in the US

If they are legal, there is no grounds for liability whatsoever. Now if a manufacturer sold direct to consumers without proper background checks, that would be a different matter.

[7962]

28. You make too much sense. Some folks dont like that

It would be unconstitutional to pass a law that punishes gun makers for making a legal product, while leaving alone companies like GM, who also make a legal product. Which also kills thousands of people a year. Equal protection.

[Amimnoch]

25. LOL. They're also great for.. showing.

You are so right.
One is used for preparing food, crafting projects, utility work, and sometimes as a weapon.

The other.. is used as a weapon.

One is responsible for 1,694 murders in the US, the other used in the murder of 8,583 murders in the US per 2011 FBI statistics page:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

There's also defensibly. Personally, I'm not much of a fighter, and would likely be taken down fairly easily by either device, but if I had my choice of facing someone, who wants to do me harm, I'd much rather take my chances (as sad as they are) against someone wielding a knife vs someone wielding a firearm.

[Perogie]

13. Please look up the law

A yes vote would have opened the door to everyone suing every company on earth.

You think it's ok if I take a garden hose and use it to kill someone that one of the victims family can then sue Ace Hardware or the hose manufacturer for a wrongful death?

That's what it would be like. Luckily Bernie can look at a complex issue and see the ramifications of different actions. He doesn't vote on what's popular, he votes on what's right to do.

[Bad Dog]

14. Surely that was the case before he brought his law suit.

He should have tried to get the law changed not waste time on a court case he couldn't win.

[bec]

6. He already covered this

and stated in this scenario he agrees that the manufacturer could be sued.

[Firebrand Gary]

7. Kicked and recommended!

[Android3.14]

12. Not going to float, riversedge

A company making a legal product that does what the company designed it to do is not a criminal act.

One might as well sue a knife company, because someone used a knife to kill people.

We all sympathize with the tragedy this father faces, but his lawyer should never have taken the case, and that's just the pragmatic reality.

[riversedge]

34. Your side lectures us constantly about supporting Sanders pie in the sky goals. Well, I feel-that

an overwhelming percentage of folks support #gunsense--including getting ride of his immunity bill for gun manufacturers!! So try we will.

[jfern]

20. Is he going to vote for Annie Oakley who approved $151 billion in arm sales?

[Captain Stern]

23. Poor guy was victimized twice.

First, his step-daughter is murdered, then the Brady Center used him as a pawn just to make a point.

The law was in place before he sued, and everyone knew exactly what the outcome would be.

[Travis_0004]

24. Hes filing bankruptcy because he filed a frivolous lawsuit

Selling ammo is legal and one should not be sued if they follpwed the law.

Furthermore he has rejected money from the brady campaign to pay the lawsuit. He wants the publicity.

[Lurks Often]

30. This thread isn't going the way you wanted

The ammo dealer sold the ammo to someone with no criminal record in complete compliance with state and Federal law and you want us to support a candidate who is ok with suing a company that had no way of knowing that Holmes was mentally disturbed?

Ok then

[Odin2005]

31. Are knife manufacturers liable for stabbing deaths?

I don't care if I get flamed for saying this so I will say it, these lawsuits are politicized and have the backing of powerful groups whose end goal is using tragedies like Sandy Hook as a Trojan Horse for banning ordinary citizens from owning guns and that is why those protections against lawsuits exist.

[sendero]

32. People who think....

... manufacturers should be responsible for how people use their products are dumber than a bag of assholes.

[fbc]

33. Should we be able to sue car manufacturers for accidents?

This is the most moronic issue out there today and make democrats look like jokes. Sorry, you can't sue guns away. We will actually have to do the hard work and make laws.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

35. Vince Foster?

[ConsiderThis_2016]

36. Sue Facebook, twitter and Microsoft & Apple and....

Anyone else you could blame when a gay teen commits suicide after getting bullied on social media... After all...

[Omaha Steve]

37. Locking after a review by forum hosts

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